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I might be swayed to DJ for you. If we can do it during the summer, I would be interested. I am bringing my fly-fishing gear. I fish in Montana/Idaho during the summer.
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02/19 UPDATE: Sold out the initial lot. Will be adding more soon, even other electronics.
Welcome 2013!!!!
Just wanted to give a heads up that I will have a bunch of parts for sale.
Parts List: (Updated: 02/19/13):
(2) AMD CPU & Ram combo ea.(mining grade) - BTC1.50 ea.
(4) Used 40 GB Sata Harddrive ea. (will be wiped) - BTC1.00 ea.
(2) Used 80 GB Sata Harddrive (will be wiped) - BTC1.35 ea.
(14) Monitor dummy plugs - BTC.15 ea.
Completed Transactions:
10 - Radeon 5850 - completed & shipped
1 - Radeon 5830 - completed & shipped
2 - Radeon 7970 - completed & local pickup
1 - Antec V4 Case (Black) completed & local pickup
3 - Radeon 5830 - completed & local pickup
1 - PC Power & Cooling 950 PSU - completed & shipped
1 - Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 Motherboard - completed & shipped
1 - Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 Motherboard - completed & shipped
5 - Radeon 5830 - completed & shipped
2 - PC Power & Cooling 950 PSU - completed & shipped
1 - Gigabyte GA-970A-D3 Motherboard - completed & shipped
1 - ASRock 970 Extreme4 Motherboard - completed & shipped
1 - Sapphire Radeon 5830 - completed & shipped
2 - EVGA GTX 560 Superclocked - completed & local pickup
1 - Large lot of remaining items - completed & shipped
P.S. I will also escrow for other deals as well.
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Yes, I would hold the funds and either forward the items and send funds when I got it. Or just hold funds until it arrives (with tracking and insurance I would hope). Let me know, I would be glad to help.
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iPad 3 16GB wifi, with retina screen, beautiful white. Perfect condition. Includes original box and cables. Has a clip-on plastic case. Tons of ebay feedback. PM me or email at: -redacted on request-
I will escrow this transaction for BTC2 and shipping to the buyers location sent with the ipad along with instructions on where to send it. |
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DEBATE IS OVER. LETS ALL MOVE ON.
Neither side is going to concede, that much is clear.
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So what exactly do you need to do around these lands to get a scammer tag? Send a video from the Bahamas while drinking a pina colada with a little umbrella that says "Haha! I scammed you, you gullible idiots"?
I mean, seriously? Do you guys want a signed, notarized meas-culpa, written in blood?
Love it when the Jr. members pop up with these comments. Where do they come from? |
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Maybe English is not your first language? I am just having trouble with the grammar.
If something is being called a scam and I choose to spend my own money to check it out--I can. I am not using your money or investor's money. If I lose it then it is on me, and I am the only one to pay the consequences. I don't see how this topic is so muddled. I haven't left feedback in the honest traders section on this transaction and won't (it's too small for me to think its warranted) only here and another thread or two that I did indeed make a very small return. I am not contributing in a big way to the op's rep, indeed I think being called a "senior member" by Dalkore pretty much shows how manipulable "rep" is on this forum. I freely admit and would like you idiots to take notice pf the fact that I have not been here very long. You don't trust me? Fine. I don't trust anyone: I simply believe people are or are not more likely to behave one way or another based on circumstance. I think a lot of people are blowing fuses over a very minor issue here. I would be making a checklist of people to avoid doing business with here on the future, but I don't believe any of the naysayers in this thread *do* any biz on the forums but choosing instead to bay like donkeys. (And accuse me of being dishonest, while advising me to hide my "associations"--its maybe 70 cents shut up already.)
I actually quoted another member that is a "Sr. Member" as well, sorry about the confusion. Just to address your comment, you are free too do whatever you like. In the same token, I am free to comment on these posts as well. After seeing every offer go bust, I have watched this sub-forum very closely, along with the Securities section. If we just sit back and let people get ripped off, then it will just continue to discredit any legitimate investments. This one falls into the likely scam arena very easily. |
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I'm confused by the above statement, it could go either way really.
Yes it could, my above comments shows shows some possibility of it being legit. At that point you need to add in all the history we have of offers on this forum. When you do that, 95% it is a scam in the long-run. That is why I quoted the above Sr. member. Either way, he should understand that with him taking a stance in this business venture, he is doing more harm in the long-run because he is giving a likely scam, credence. Also, the OP has not posted here so I assume, he has run off or is strategizing how to handle these comments. The longer we hear nothing, the more this goes to the 100% scam column. |
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You know, this is kind of fucked up. I'm not shamelessly promoting this thing, neither is underminer, and yet people are implying that we're both scammers. Has pirate, nefario, and others undermined the trust of this community so much that taking a risk is now considered advertisement for a scam? That's how it seems to me.
Your level of naivete can not be that high. It don't think you're a scammer as of yet but I do think you are lending reputation to someone who (if history serves a guide) has a high probability to be building a long term scam. You may ask me how would I know or think that, other than the without fail, 100% default rate on a whole for all programs on here this: The title of the post: Re: Invest your BTC - Guaranteed 5-10% profit in 7 days - 1 BTC max Right off the back, this is ingenious at best. Just because you sent an address some BTC and got back more because he promised it, doesn't mean anything. Second, the user has 29 posts. So either he magically appeared from no where with this "business investment" or he is an old scammer working on his sophomore attempt. The real issue is that you posted here lending to its legitimacy because you A) Truly believe in him (refer to my opening statement) B) Know it is likely a ponzi and you may want to be on the ground floor to profit. C) Unknown motive In any case, I hope you read this post and take it as advice for you to realize what your reputation carries on this forum, in a sense it is a compliment as well. Dalkore |
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I haven't investigated this much. I didn't read most of this thread. Maybe I'm totally wrong about my facts, but my current understanding is:
PatrickHarnett probably did break some contracts, though he never intentionally broke them and in fact he tried to take some precautions to avoid breaking the contracts. Still, he has an obligation to pay back the victims of his broken contracts at least the money that his victims directly lost (ie. the loan principal). Maybe he has a moral obligation to continue following the exact terms of the contract, but that seems to be impossible, and I'm not going to enforce that using the scammer tag.
When someone breaks a contract and ends up having to slowly repay debt, sometimes they get a scammer tag first and the tag is removed once their debts are paid. But since PatrickHarnett seems to be putting a lot of effort into paying his debts, and since he's always acted pretty honestly, I tend to think that he should not get a scammer tag unless he stops making payments on his debt.
Theymos, a suggestion that has been made that I think does have merit is making a "In Default" tag for people in debt that can be evidenced? What do you think? |
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Guess we just can't learn. Enjoy your massive profits.
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Sir, I am sorry but you are quite new. How did you all a sudden find this community? We have had many fly by night scam operators and this on the surface fits that bill. Explanation would be great. Thanks |
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Fixed  Does the hot wallet need to be topped off again? |
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you do owe something back to the system that created your opportunity to prosper
Yes. Miner fees. What do you feel was the risk you were taking on to capture these profits?
You are aware I'm just the spokesperson, right? What I don't understand is why your taking such a hardline stance and not working with him to get paid back?
Matter of policy. As explained afore, negotiating with scammers makes no sense. such a large deposit?
According to PatrickHarnett himself, it was by no means a large deposit at all, let alone such a large one. Spokesperson? Really, you don't sound like an impartial spokesperson. You talk with too much authority for that. Scammer, so you invest with someone, the investment goes bad and they are a scammer so you don't work with them to get your money back. Sounds like a different motive. Has you not gotten any principle back or gotten communications from Patrick about ETA for repayment. This sounds personally motivated to swear his name, and not actually accept a delayed payment. Sure, maybe it is a small deposit, but still BTC500 isn't something to think is small, it is in effect 1/42000th of all the Bitcoins in existence. No matter, this doesn't add to the dialogue. Miner fees, sorry I thought we were having a wider discussion about ideology outside of Bitcoin. My bad. |
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@ MPOE-PR - Ok, I agree with you on a few points.
1. Yes this is about money
2. No, we should not steal from others to give opportunity to others, but on the other hand, we do not live in a bubble so you do owe something back to the system that created your opportunity to prosper
3. Able people should be making able decisions.
Question: What I don't understand then is this, did you think this was truly a "risk-free" asset? You were not depositing your BTC for safe keeping with him. You knew that he was doing "something" with your BTC to generate profits to pay the advertised interest rate. You didn't know what he was doing with it, but you knew it had risk. What do you feel was the risk you were taking on to capture these profits? What I don't understand is why your taking such a hardline stance and not working with him to get paid back? Getting him a scammer tag will affect his reputation and may impact his ability to collect on the debts he is owed. It seem counter-productive for someone who wants to get paid back unless you have another motive in mind when you made such a large deposit?
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With the amount outstanding if you are correct (BTC20K), I would not take such a hardline stance on your settlement of this debt. I would be for sure, flexible on interest owed and just good judgement on the principle.
You did take risk in investing in "his" investment strategy and investing in "him" as that principle for your BTC. Maybe we just have different ideology on capital, investment and risk, I accept that. But please believe, I am quite read on this subject, I am mean the old way of doing things, which I think was a much more fair and proper system (pre-1913). I think keeping good communication with him and giving him time to dispatch his debt to you will serve your interest more that berating him on here as hard as you have.
Does anyone have a explanation on why his Guarantee did not meet his non-pirate exposed liabilities? I assumed it is from deadbeat borrowers.
Yes, this would be an ideological divide. Our position is firmly that contracts must be executed entirely as they are, and that no claim can be diminished post default, but only increased (and preferably significantly). This may yield a higher rate of people who run off from their obligations, but on the long term it has the positive effect of limiting the total BTC lost to incompetence/malfeasance by excluding the incompetent and the malfeasant from the marketplace. Your alternative point of view may seem reasonable, but this is only if you subscribe to a socialist view of the world (ie, we are all equal, we must all find a way to live together, we're not individuals but parts of a collective etc). These notions are not tenable on the Internet. We are not at all interested in helping the floundering, we are interested in cutting off the floundering as soon as practically possible so as to prevent them from bringing their disease upon others. A world of ten poor people is of no interest, a world of four rich people (even if their riches come at the expense of excluding six others) is what we're building. The history of BTC world, short as it may be, seems to wholly support our position. In fact, all the failures so far can be traced to people instinctively (and, I dare say, uninformedly) taking a stance similar to yours. We are all social creatures, in certain ways I am individualistic /deterministic and other ways I am more socialistic (ie: towards my family, friends and allies). With the view that people that are floundering are a disease and people who do not flounder are preferred, I don't think you want to actual interact in a world where people in the mindset dominate. Most people's "floundering" come from environments and systems they had no hand in making that have impaired them with reduce opportunity to operate. You should have more empathy towards that kind of human suffering unless you do not have the ability to show empathy. You speak of the history of Bitcoin, you may want to re-read this history. As far as I can see, Satoshi made Bitcoin as an Alternative to our current monetary system that actually mirrors your " world of ten poor people is of no interest, a world of four rich people (even if their riches come at the expense of excluding six others) is what we're building." comment. I care and respect for anyone who truly reciprocates that care and respect back. That doesn't mean I think we are all equal, we all have different talents and traits. I do believe in Justice, a fair Rule of Law and providing opportunity to all. From your comments to be honest, you sound jaded, cynical and domineering (no disrespect, just follow-up on your opinion of me). Thoughts on my comments other that my personal evaluation of your character visa-vie the internet, lol? |
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What I don't understand from the conspiracy theory angle is that if they did plan it, how did they keep the secret from coming out? Say what you will, governments are not really good about keeping big secrets. And with a false flag operation of this scale surely some documents would have made it to the public.
Conspiracy theorists have no hard evidence, and the fact that there is no hard evidence for their theories speaks a lot by itself.
Interesting replies. I am not going to wade into this debate but this post was worth saying a few words. In general, any conspiracies start out as convert actions. The more people that know about any covert action, increasingly the covert aspect of it becomes compromised (ie: more likely for something to leak). If we are to look at this scenario that has such large deviations of consensus, here is what I would say about it if I was tasked with making such a dramatic end happen. You would use a very small team, you would only do as little action as needed to get the desired result. Taking the major charge that WTC's were done by some sort of controlled aspect, it would need to be installed covertly, maybe using some sort of maintenance worker cover. This would likely be done in conjunction with a real attack, ie: Hijacker already planned to do this but you knew that there plan would not be enough to really solidify public opinion for a new policy change. You let the real attack happen and then you add your special effects (ie: demo the buildings) to totally and completely galvanize public opinion. Now the important charge is, why no whistle-blowers? You liquidate them all, ALL. Now they can not come forward. The senior level officials that coordinated, well they know what happens if they talk, so you won't get anything there. You have to remember that " IF" this did happen other than as a random terrorist event, they are TRUE BELIEVERS, so they BELIEVE what they did was in the " national interest" so there conscience is clear and they would not say anything. If you look at what were the most important actions that needed to happen to make this outcome, there are only a few items that a relatively small team could have done to do accomplish said task. Regardless, I am too far from any of the information needed to make a judgement on if this was a random act or a planned covert act. I watched it that morning and it emotionally hurt me in ways I still most likely do not understand. I love America and even thinking about someone coming to the point that an act like this was in the national interest just makes me drop my head and frown. There are many valid question that seem to keep coming up from both sides but instead of having a dialogue, both sides would rather insult and ridicule each other, so you feel better about this horrific act. That makes me sad, we live in an America with two different teams and both sides have NO RESPECT for each other. You can't have a meaningful discussion under those term. Ok carry on. .02 BTC |
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Yeah that's a whole lot of crazy if you ask me...
You really expect someone breaching a contract to get away with paying less than what they owed by contract? In what alternate universe is this ever the case? With the amount outstanding if you are correct ( BTC20K), I would not take such a hardline stance on your settlement of this debt. I would be for sure, flexible on interest owed and just good judgement on the principle. You did take risk in investing in "his" investment strategy and investing in "him" as that principle for your BTC. Maybe we just have different ideology on capital, investment and risk, I accept that. But please believe, I am quite read on this subject, I am mean the old way of doing things, which I think was a much more fair and proper system (pre-1913). I think keeping good communication with him and giving him time to dispatch his debt to you will serve your interest more that berating him on here as hard as you have. Does anyone have a explanation on why his Guarantee did not meet his non-pirate exposed liabilities? I assumed it is from deadbeat borrowers. |
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In fact it has been long established legal practice (where "long" means > 100 years) in both civil and common law that any exchange which shows agreement between businessmen of the sort they would normally employ in the usual course of their trade is sufficient and binding as a contract. These aren't retail investors dealing here. You are clever only to do claims. As I had already admitted, you fail to understand the meaning of evidence. Since you only have a IRC log, that does not count as contract, but as evidence for a mutual agreement. Without a physical or digital signature from both parties, there is not a method to determine if both parties have changed the contract after the initial agreement. That means you or Patrick cannot prove which party is providing the legitimate contract. Do you like old books? I suggest you read this before you send another 500 Bitcoins to an Internet user: Handbook of the law of contracts (Open Library) http://www.archive.org/stream/lawrencecontracts00clar#page/n3/mode/2upI actually have an old book on contract law, and yes, I love old books, being that I own quite a few. You would be surprised what you can get for under $10 on Amazon if you know what your looking for. In regards to this, we need to understand that we have no regulations other than this forum and people's personal knowledge of different events. Kinda like a social credit rating. I read the response above from the OP, thank you for your reply. I understand what you are saying and if you feel that strongly about the issue then I can see why you think the "Scammer" tag is appropriate. I did not know his debt was that large ( BTC20K ~ can someone verify this?). I have been doing some reading on here and at least from what I have seen, there is no doubt he is in "Default" and the mods should have this tag available in conjunction with "Scammer". I still don't think the bar has been met to apply the latter. It just doesn't seem that much of a no-brainer....at this point. If it was a slam dunk, I mean he has truly disappeared or didn't immediately starting paying back debts, I would agree with you. Outstanding Question in my mind: I would like to hear more about Patrick's deposit guarantee, what stipulations it had and what "his" explanation why he got so leveraged that he didn't keep up with his deposit guarantee. I will say this, why I was looking at all the offers out there, that guarantee was the most attractive offer available at that point, he did seem to have his s**t together, I knew there was risk though, because I knew he was speculating & lending and I figured some of the people were not the best of character. What I also figured is that he knew what he was doing and he was the least risky of the bunch, but if you had to ask me what his rating was that would make it the highest at that point... rating: BBB- |
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@ MPOE-PR - Bottomline, you need to prove the intention of scamming you. If you calling for a Scammer tag because two parties took "risk" in trusting each other and the debtor made bad choices with an investment, DOES NOT mean it is a scam. You may not like the decision but at the time you made the deposited the coins, you trusted that person judgement. Nothing you say, even with insults changes that fact.
Yes he is in "default" at this time but you continue to claim something much more nefarious. If you want that to stick, you need to come with more proof and is verifiable in some manner.
Public Disclosure: I do not or am not owed any debt to PatrickHarnett. I have talk to him once offline about a business project I was working on that was un-related to any lenders or securities that are in default.
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