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1681  Economy / Lending / Re: [10 000 USD needed]People are ready to pay high to trade. Take advantage of it! on: December 28, 2012, 05:43:37 PM
Is there any assurances that you won't pull another Bitcoinica at us? I'm still wary of borrowing out my coins out, seeing how Roger and co fared in getting their coins back via court cases.
put only amounts that are comfortable for you if said quantity is 10 put 10 if is 1 put one, on the other hand I can reply to your question with another one, do you demand the same amount of assurances to all bitcoin services ? just want to check if you have different standard for different services Tongue we can have along discussion about this topic and there is even a thread for that https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=131566.0


Do you have any idea how much it would cost me to do a wire transfer into your account in France from my account in the US?  I might be interested in this on the USD side.  The BTC side is easy, of course.
imo the cheapest way is using mtgox codes(most trading happen there so there is a need for funds), email unclescrooge if other users did wire he can know the average costs  
1682  Economy / Speculation / Re: How can this happen? on: December 28, 2012, 08:16:03 AM
I remember this to happen few times, now the question is this happen only on low volume days or not ?   /tin foil hat
1683  Economy / Speculation / Re: BitFinex Sentiment Index: vote with your wallet not with a click on: December 27, 2012, 09:16:11 PM
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BSI as of December 27, 2012 - 04:13:44 PM EST:
1:1 - Bullish

1684  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: December 27, 2012, 06:57:23 PM
that wave 2 i dont consider to be so easy i looks more like a complex correction under format flat+3w+triangle
so where your 2 ends is a W then 3 w up to X then triangle abcde where e is Y on the May 29 hammer



your count do not explain the move from the end of wave 2 and sub-wave1(wave3)
from your 4 to 5 u get nothing even if there was a  correction

1685  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BETA]Bitfinex - Meta-Exchange with margin trading and remunerated deposits on: December 27, 2012, 05:17:43 PM
i am going to do a ask question about bitfinex on reddit i think they call it AMA or something like that  http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/15ixor/i_am_adviser_for_bitfinexcom_so_ask_questions_if/
1686  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: December 27, 2012, 01:39:40 PM
Ok , we will just wait and see..... Cool
I will like to see a sub-count for the wave 2 and 3 on your chart
1687  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: December 27, 2012, 09:01:06 AM
HDD has two parameters: space and bus throughput.

People still use HDD?  Cheesy
nah most ppl use this  http://www.ramsan.com/products/rackmount-flash-storage/ramsan-810
1688  Economy / Speculation / Re: [m00]Only Bullish Technical Analysis on: December 26, 2012, 10:53:19 PM
EW update: the abcde triangle is broken
http://yfrog.com/esj8ktfp
1689  Economy / Speculation / Re: [m00]Only Bullish Technical Analysis on: December 26, 2012, 03:27:42 PM
some EW
You can read stuff here http://www.tradersdaytrading.com/elliott_wave_theory.html
http://yfrog.com/h8dx5itpj



RSI
http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/doc_TechnicalStudiesReference.html#38
http://yfrog.com/esadfmqp
1690  Economy / Speculation / Re: [m00]Only Bullish Technical Analysis on: December 25, 2012, 08:57:54 PM
more more!

here is macd for you <3
http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/doc_TechnicalStudiesReference.html#32
http://yfrog.com/o0l8nsp
1691  Economy / Speculation / [m00]Only Bullish Technical Analysis on: December 25, 2012, 08:29:39 PM
this is the most bullish technical analysis you  can get from a TA point of view, I will post a link to study documentation so anyone can read it

trend lines
http://yfrog.com/nxan6lp



square of 9 targets
http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/doc_TechnicalStudiesReference.html#111
http://yfrog.com/klpliqp


Fibonacci auto levels
http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/doc_TechnicalStudiesReference.html#169
http://yfrog.com/h3p7xcp


automatic trend lines
http://www.sierrachart.com/index.php?l=doc/doc_TechnicalStudiesReference.html#244
http://yfrog.com/nubuprp
1692  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: December 23, 2012, 08:14:02 PM
to bad is going down  Cheesy
1693  Economy / Lending / Re: People are ready to pay high rate to margin trade. Take advantage of it! on: December 22, 2012, 05:51:01 AM
your funds are used to leverage traders positions
your money do not leave bfx
the traders cant take out the money and spend it

this is a simple example of what's happening with your funds
Also, what happens to your lended funds if the person you lend to gets liquidated?
you get them back  Grin liquidation is based on traders funds
example you are long term holder and decide to lend bitcoins
trader 1 take your 100 bitcoins and start shorting at the price of 10 usd per bitcoin
if the trader 1 have 500 USD he can afford a 500 USD loss (he is liquidated a bit earlier but to keep this simple) he can afford 5 usd loss per bitcoin
so the trader 1 will be liquidated at 15 usd per bitcoin
when trader 1 go short the 100 bitcoin at 10usd the platform gets 1000 USD from that sell plus it own 500 usd that make 1500 sufficient funds to buy back your 100 bitcoins at 15 usd per btc



also here you can see the average rate for active loans atm https://bitfinex.com/pages/interest
1694  Economy / Speculation / Re: BitFinex Sentiment Index: vote with your wallet not with a click on: December 21, 2012, 11:06:40 PM
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BSI as of December 21, 2012 - 06:04:42 PM EST:
1:1 - Bearish

some new data https://bitfinex.com/pages/interest
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Currency    Average loan rates in % per 365 days    Total sum of active loans
USD    17.8363%    3433.58 USD
BTC    14.4434%    421.1 BTC
1695  Economy / Lending / Re: People are ready to pay high rate to margin trade. Take advantage of it! on: December 21, 2012, 10:48:39 PM
The last one giving ultra high rates like this had a funny name to .... We know he sailed away some month ago...
Like OP is explaining BFX do not offer you interest is just giving you the opportunity to lend to other traders

Could you explain to a noob why I should trust you with my precious BTC?
if is you "precious" you should keep it in your pocket or the hobbits can find them  Wink  Wink  Wink
1696  Economy / Lending / Re: People are ready to pay high rate to margin trade. Take advantage of it! on: December 21, 2012, 10:17:02 PM
Impressive rates. The only problem I see is whether you can keep the coins safe or not.
since most of trading happen on mtgox most of funds are also there
1697  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dear rich guy: How you can make risk-free profit with bitcoin. on: December 21, 2012, 04:56:56 PM
i hope he held.
iirc he was out in 2011
1698  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dear rich guy: How you can make risk-free profit with bitcoin. on: December 21, 2012, 04:52:47 PM
1. Buy up $100,000 worth of bitcoin.
2. Announce that you are now investing in bitcoin. Attend interviews and go "yada yada bitcoin the future of currency".
3. Sell it when the price of bitcoin goes up.
4. Huh
5. Profit!
done falkvinge.net/2011/05/29/why-im-putting-all-my-savings-into-bitcoin/
1699  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BETA]Bitfinex - Meta-Exchange with margin trading and remunerated deposits on: December 21, 2012, 03:09:12 PM
This, as far as I can see, is a problem you are going to face anyway.
yes and no, on my example the 30USD gain is still a "theoretical" gain, that gain is tied up to the ability of closing a position and materialize said gain, that 30USD  have a condition attached, yes BFX face the loss problem all the time, excluding "theoretical" gains (the 30USD from my example) when computing maximum leverage does reduce the risk of loss and is also true that it reduce user ability to take bigger risk, for now imo is better to stay like is now
1700  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: [BETA]Bitfinex - Meta-Exchange with margin trading and remunerated deposits on: December 21, 2012, 02:14:59 PM
I think it could probably be implemented more simply than that.
the implementation is not the problem, the problem is what's happening when the market goes against your positions and you get a margin call but your funds do not cover total loss
example, i know you can do the math but to let it clear if anyone have questions and I dont include fees and interest
--you are long since 13.20  and you put your stop loss at 13usd
--I decide to dump and sell 30 000 bitcoins
--my order in mtgox is number N
--mtgox start to process my order
--the price gets at 13usd
--your stop loss is triggered
--your order in mtgox is N+23
--mtgox will process my order that the other 22 orders and then yours
--but you get processed at 12.50 and you got 50 cents slippage,(13 was the initial stop but u get out at 12.50) your account funds needs to cover the 70 cents loss per bitcoins if not bitfinex will lose money in case of a loss stock and forex brokers will call your home and tell you have 48h to pay the loss or get sued you can see that there is a big difference of condition from "real world" to bitcoin world

now lets look if we count total equity (wallet funds+gains) for leverage
--again your are long from 13.20 100 bitcoins based on your deposit of 20 btc
--at 13.50 you have gain 100x0.30=30 usd
--30x5=150, 150/13.50=11.11 so u can add 11 bitcoin to your long
--your positions get closed to same 12.50
--11x13.50= 148.5  11x12.5=137 148.5-137=11.5 loss
--100x13.20=1320 100x12.50=1250 1320-1250=70 loss
--total loss 70+11.5 = 81.5
---if you don't use equity for leverage your loss is just that 70
--total wallet value 20*12.50=250
--81.5/12.50=6.52 so bitfinex will take 6.52 BTC from your account in order to pay the user that lend you USD to go long (fees not included)

what happen if the market does not stop at 12.50 and it stops at 10USD and you position is closed at 10USD

Secondly, handle the insufficient margin problem in the same way you handle the 'no reserve' problem. So orders go into the open orders list and are fulfilled as much as the existing margin will allow. Remaining  order stays in the open orders list but the status says 'no margin' and is not processed.
so if a user wants to go long 100 bitcoins but only get funds for 89 bitcoins, fill the 89 and ignore the remaining 11



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