Well, this is often only valid if you disregard the commission you will have to pay on your net profit. If we take a look at the Wolves-Liverpool game, you can back Liverpool for 1.70 at Betfair, which is only a 1.665 after you have paid your commission. Checking some odds comparison services, you can get 1.70 at Expekt or SBO, which are reliable bookmakers, and you don't have to pay any commission.
Same for over 2.5 goals. Back is available at 1.92 (which is 1,874 after commission), but you get 1.91 at Dafabet for example. Now with turning over lots of money, you can lower your commission, but in these mainstream markets with good volume, you will find better odds with bookmakers most of the time, if you put in the work to shop for odds.
The market where you would nearly always find better odds than at bookmakers though, is the correct score markets for example. This is because, the more outcomes, the more edge the bookmakers puts on those odds, to make it easier to balance their book.


You don't play against the bookmaker when placing your bets with them You always play against your fellow punters. A good bookmaker will balance his book, have his profit no matter the outcome and pay your winnings with the losses of the other punters and vice versa.


Technically they don't limit you, but they have some other tricks in place. Some years ago Betfair introduced the so called "premium charge". Betfair was and is still facing the problem, that there is a small percentage of users (the highrolling winners) that take a lot of money out of the system, but don't put anything in. This system only works as long as there is enough fresh money entering the market. So Betfair isn't too happy with people winning loads of money and cashing that out. If you are a very good punter/trader and fulfill some criteria, that are calculated with some sophisticated formula, you would be due some weekly "premium charge" on top of your winnings. This can be up to 60% of your winnings and this is quite a lot.
Most of the punters don't have to fear this premium charge though as only the best of the best match the criteria, but it's something worth to be mentioned or considered.

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Unfortunately Betfair is not available in most countries anymore due to regulatory issues and it isn't available in my country as well, which is a pity. You can play at exchanges like Orbit for example, that just mirror the Betfair markets, but these are only available via agents. And they have no API to use trading software.

Yes, I get your point. It adds some extra nail biting, when you are rooting for a/your team. But otoh, if you dominated for 57 minutes and choke the game away inside 3 minutes, you probably didn't deserve to win. A game is played for 60 minutes and you have to be and stay focused for the entire game. But yes, I would hate seeing my team losing that way too. Betting or trading wise it could give some opportunities though to lay very short odds.
Maybe would make more sense to give each team the possibility to use this rule only once per game.

While we are at it with the rules, there is one thing that always annoys me and needs some overhaul imo. When you have a flag on both sides, these penalties always offset and I think it often makes no sense, to just offset them and move on, if they are a) penalized differently in yardage and/or b) didn't occcur at the same time. 

a) Lets say you have a neutral zone infraction by the defense (5 yards) and while the play evolves an offensive holding (10 yards). Penalties will offset, the down is replayed - but there is 5 yards difference with the penalties. So what I would like to see is, that the line of scrimmage is moved 5 yards backwards, because the offense had the bigger penalty.

b) Ball is snapped, an offensive holding takes place and referee throws his flag (10 yards), play continues. QB throws 30 yards down the field to his receiver, who misses the catch, but defensive PI is called (30 yard penalty). Penalties will offset, down is replayed. It isn't taken into account, that without the offensive holding, the pass play wouldn't even have happened probably.
You rarely have fouls happening simultaneously and it is never taken into consideration, that the second penalty maybe wouldn't have happened without the first one.

Changes like that in the enforcement of penalties would most likely only lead to confusion and the refs would have a hard time figuring out certain scenarios, but I think it's kind of unfair, and especially a) wouldn't be so hard to implement.

Ist eine sehr komische Regelung, die da ausgearbeitet wurde. Unter dem Deckmantel des Spielerschutzes wurden ja schon so einige komische Sachen eingeführt - hauptsächlich natürlich, um Steuereinnahmen zu generieren.

Die jetzt vorgeschlagene Regelung bietet einen gewissen Spielerschutz (mit dem Einzahlungslimit etc.), aber ein Süchtiger wird immer Mittel und Wege finden, an seine Droge zu kommen. Und die meisten pathologischen Spieler bleiben ohnehin unter diesem Limit.

Generell eine beängstigende Entwicklung, wenn man sich mal den Gesamtkontext anschaut.

Since I am a betting person, I always try to find points for both sides. As said above, this one is more or less a coin toss for me (will probably take SF for the poll), but let me try to find some angles for a KC win.

It's obviously difficult to counter the hard facts @DireWolfM14 posted. But KC had the slightly harder strength of schedule and Mahomes was missing a few games. So....


....could easily be SF only leading in 1 of four offensive stats, since 2 of those stats are so close (ypg & ppg). You would have a 4-4 tie overall then.

The postseason stats, which is of course a very small sample size, gives SF a 5-3 advantage. Not sure, how it would look like, if you disregard that first quarter in the Texans@Chiefs game, where KC just came out rusty and flat - outscoring them 51-7 afterwards, being 0-24 down early in Q2.

So, yes, the hard facts point to a SF win. Lets look at some soft facts.

KC has the coaching advantage. Without trying to sound disrespectful, Andy Reid is a poor mans version of Bill Belichick for me. A very experienced coach, an offensive mastermind who probably has seen it all. Kyle Shanahan is still a young coach and there is not many coaches around 40 years of age, that managed to win the SB. His father could give him some valuable advice, but he is not around on the sidelines during the game

The 49ers weren't really tested yet. They have been so dominant, that they didn't have to show their best yet. This could be a good thing, but also a bad thing. Especially their passing game could be a bit rusty, after having been so good on the ground and only using pass plays every now and then to keep defenses honest. We could see this backfiring on them, if they have to rely on the passing game being down late-ish in the game. An offense always has to click and I am not sure, if the passing game of SF is clicking with being put on pause for so long.

KC was able to limit Derrick Henry and the Titans run game to 85 yards. They will probably be able to limit SF's running game too, despite not having a good run D on paper. Steve Spagnuolo has shown in SB XLII what his defenses can do.

In the end I would think this game is all about the SF offense vs. KC defense matchup. I expect the KC offense to show up and the SF defense will have their hands full then (see the SF@NO game). If the SF offense is not showing up, they might be in trouble, because KC will score rather a lot me thinks.

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So far for some pro KC points that could be made. I hope and think it will be one hell of a game and I can't wait.

I think the odds for Superbowl are set about right. Will be decided by a few details (penalties, TO, broken coverage) and whatever team is showing up more; hard to tell who that will be. Keeping my fingers crossed for the 49ers, allthough I could live with the Chiefs as well, since I would be happy for Andy Reid to finally get his well deserved ring.

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Just read that their will be some tests of potential rule changes at the ProBowl and one of them gets me excited to some extent:


Source: http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001098234/article/nfl-to-test-out-two-potential-rule-changes-in-pro-bowl

This could make for some nice drama With the rule changes, the percentage of successful onside kicks has dropped to <10% and I would think that a 4th&15 has higher chances of being converted succesfully. Field-position wise, after converting that 4th&15, you should start somewhere there, where a succesful onside kick would let you start too - or even better. What do you guys think about that ?

Ja, der Kurs ist noch weit unter ICO-Niveau, das kann man drehen und wenden wie man will Auch für ein solide geführtes Projekt gibt es kein Entkommen aus den Daumenschrauben eines Bärenmarktes. Xaya bzw. Autonomous Worlds* ist ein kleines Team - dafür schaffen sie recht viel, aber es dauert halt alles eine Zeit. Und ich rechne auch nicht mit großartigen Preissprüngen in den nächsten 3-4 Monaten, also kann man bei Interesse mit einem kleinen Investment auch noch warten.

Ab spätem Frühjahr/frühen Sommer könnte sich was tun, da Soccer Manager Elite noch vor der Euro 2020 released werden soll und auch gleich auf Android mit rauskommt, was imo sehr wichtig ist. Mit Release werden dann die Anteile an den Teams erwerbbar und da müssten sich potentielle Interessenten dann mit CHI eindecken.

Die Taurion Competition läuft gut, auch wenn es nicht sehr viele Spieler sind (so 40-50 regelmäßige würde ich schätzen). Zurzeit ist auf der Map eine gewisse Patt-Situation, kaum jemand will noch Preise finden, da diese immer von den anderen geklaut werden. Somit beschränken sich viele Spieler auf combat modus. Ist halt ein Strategiespiel und noch alpha mit recht wenigen Funktionen.

*Was viele nicht wissen, ist, dass das Xaya-Team eigentlich für Autonomous Worlds arbeitet. Autonomous Worlds ist halt eine Firma, die Blockchain-Spiele und Dapps entwickelt und dafür die opensource Plattform Xaya gegründet hat und diese maintained. Ein bisschen vergleichbar mit CfB, der IOTA ins Leben gerufen hat, um letztendlich seine VR/AR-Vision zu verwirklichen.

What Dortmund has been missing for a long time, is some presence in the box and Haaland gives them just that. Götze and Alcacer are shortish players with both being just around 1,75m tall. So Dortmund was always forced to maneuver their way into the box with short passes and find an open man there (just like Barca has to do all the time). Putting high balls into the box was just pointless, because all those short players just had no chance against all those 1,90m defenders playing in Bundesliga. So imo Halaand is one hell of a fit for Dortmund. Opponents have to be more aware with high balls now and that norwegian dude can play some football too.

As for Mönchengladbach, I am pretty sure they will struggle mightily to even get a spot in Europa League. They are bunch of softies and lack that winning mentality. I expect Leipzig, Bayern, Dortmund, Schalke and Leverkusen to finish ahead of them and then it remains to be seen what teams like Hoffenheim, Wolfsburg and maybe Frankfurt can do.

I don't know about liquidity on CITEX, as I have never used them. They are in the process of getting their listing on CMC finalized, so we would have to wait until then to see whats going on there

XAYA (CHI) wurde heute auf CITEX gelisted.



Auf dieser Börse - im Gegensatz zu Liquid - braucht es kein KYC, allerdings hat man dann ein tägliches Auszahlungslimit von 0,5 BTC, was aber wohl für die meisten reichen sollte.

US Leute sind aufgrund von Georestrictions, die auch CITEX hat, nach wie vor nicht in der Lage CHI zu traden, aber soweit ich weiss, wird auch an diesem "Problem" gearbeitet.

CHI/BTC Markt auf CITEX: https://trade.citex.co.kr/trade/CHI_BTC

CITEX ist auch auf CMC gelistet und somit sollte CHI dort auch bald mal auftauchen (nur was langsamt wächst, wächst gut )

XAYA (CHI) was was listed in CITEX today.



There is no need of KYC, you have a daily withdrawal limit of 0.5 BTC without KYC though.

There are some georestrictions:


Source: https://citex.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/360018961991-Terms-of-Use

Afaik there is some effort made to get on another exchange, where (especially) US customers are not restricted.

CHI/BTC market at CITEX: https://trade.citex.co.kr/trade/CHI_BTC

Neuer Spielplan ist schon da und Sportsbet hat es geschafft, alle ausgewählten Spiele auf einer Seite mit Quoten zur Verfügung zu stellen, sehr schön

Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm und deshalb habe ich bereits heute meine Kombi abgegeben - man muss auch mal die ausgetretenen Pfade verlassen. Ziemlich viele scheinbar sichere Sachen.

Borussia Dortmund - 1. FC Cologne 1x2
Brescia Calcio - AC Milan 1x2    
RCD Espanyol Barcelona - Athletic Bilbao 1x2    
Southampton FC - Tottenham Hotspur 1x2    
CF Valencia - FC Barcelona 1x2    
Hull City - Chelsea FC 1x2    
Deportivo Alaves Sad - CF Villarreal 1x2    
FC Bayern Munich - FC Schalke 04 1x2    
FC Sevilla - Granada CF 1x2    
Atletico Madrid - CD Leganes 1x2    
AS Roma - SS Lazio Roma 1x2    
Shrewsbury Town - Liverpool FC 1x2    
SSC Napoli - Juventus Turin 1x2    
Real Valladolid - Real Madrid 1x2    
LOSC Lille - Paris Saint-Germain 1x2    

Bisschen viele Auswärtssiege vielleicht, aber was soll man machen Bin schon gespannt wo deine Nase wieder einen Unentschieden-Alarm schnüffelt @efialtis

Falls du es nicht hinkriegst, kannst auch einfach diesen Online-Rechner nehmen, den man mit kurzem Googlen findet : https://rechneronline.de/runden/beliebige-genauigkeit.php



Links kommt der Euro-Betrag und rechts der BTC-Kurs rein, dann einfach auf "=" klicken. Oben halt die 8 Nachkommstellen einstellen.

OP and team is aware of all these things. They might not be ultra-active in this thread here in bitcointalk, but are available and communicating every day in Telegram and Discord. If you take a close look at XAYA Telegram and scroll a few days back, you might find some hint of what will happen in the near future

https://discord.gg/VQQ6TC3
https://t.me/xaya_en

Congratulations 13/15 correct picks is a great achievement (the highest number achieved during this promo if I am not mistaken) and you have well earned those BTC. Also curious which ones you were wrong with. Napoli would be my guess as one of them, but the other ?

I don't know how the Chiefs managed to get that lead at half time, but they did. It somehow felt that the Titans controlled most of the first 30 minutes (they had some lucky breaks with penalties tbf), but the Chiefs did what the Chiefs do - make scoring look effortless.

Titans look in big trouble now and I fear we might see a very one-sided second half with the Chiefs running away with the score.

Korrekt, ist wohl am unkompliziertesten. Einfach nur in den gelben Feldern die entsprechenden Beträge händisch eingeben und das graue Feld auf acht Nachkommastellen formatieren und per Formel B2/B1 den Betrag in BTC ausrechnen lassen.

Das war mal wieder nüscht, aber zumindest waren wir gleich schlecht mit 7 oder 8 Richtigen, je nachdem wie Juve-Parma ausgeht. Gab jetzt keine Riesenüberraschungen (vielleicht Napoli) - die die laut Quoten "sicher" gewinnen, gewinnen auch; die die solider Favorit sind, gewinnen oder spielen X und bei den Würfelspielen weiss man halt nicht

Ich muss ja nicht gewinnen, aber wäre nett, wenn man mal wieder deep in den Sonntag oben mit dabei wäre - ein Gefühl, dass du gar nicht kennst mit deinen Xerln

Muss ich halt das Pokerturnier am nächsten WE gewinnen

Falls jemand Interesse an dem Poker-Turnier nächstes WE hat, hier der Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5217547.0

Hehe, yes, thanks Being not native in english, I thought unconscious would do the trick as well, but subconscious is indeed the better wording.


Yes, sure, I just took your post as kind of random example to visualize what I mean.
But you being forced to wear a CM avatar as well, would give them additional recognition no matter how long or short your post is. And I am wondering, why companies give away some extra visibility so easily (or only pay very few for it), since not being able to wear a personal/private avatar wouldn't be a huge turnoff to join a campaign for most of the people (I guess).


Thats a valid point you both made and which I hadn't in mind.
And I still think that an avatar gets more attention than a signature does. If you see loads of people running around with the same avatar, you probably get people curious and make them google for it. So imo you have the situation non-clickable avatar with lots of attention versus clickable signature with lower attention than avatar (where you can measure engagements though). I think there is some disbalance in payments, because all things considered, these two are closer than one might think.
But as I said, this is more a psychological and marketing consideration, which some bounty managers might have a look into.


Not all campaigns do. There is also a lot of them, where you are not forced to wear their avatar or have some text.

Not sure, if this thread fits in here, so the mods can feel free to move it to a more appropriate board (Marketplace ? Services ?).

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I noticed that I pay way more (subconscious) attention to avatars than I actually do to signatures. Thinking about the why, I figured out that is has to do with the sequence of eye movement and the ability of peripheral vision when reading a post or going through a thread.

Most posts are left-aligned and not centered, apart from posts in Arabic or Hebrew language of course, so you start reading a post somewhere here normally:



From there the distance to the avatar is pretty short and you will inevitably pay some attention to it by peripheral vision. You often curiously check the author of the post (at least I do) and that will put your attention to the avatar again. Now with most of the people reading from left to right and every sentence/paragraph starting at the left again, you kind of get redirected to the avatar multiple times. Check the difference for a post read from right to left, most of the attention stays right hand:



Signatures are mostly always centered under your post, so there is not a lot of natural behaviour to bring your attention to it. When scrolling through a thread, your focus always lies on the left-ish side of the thread as you want to see where a new post starts and who wrote it.

With the post of LoyceV as an example you don't get to see the signature at all right form the start (at least on my screen); the avatar you see right away; also because it's kind of shiny compared to the other things you recognize. Add to that, that most people don't bother to read walls of text until the end and stop somewhere in the middle or scroll to the next post, it is the avatar that gets more attention than the signature.  

An avatar has a lot of recognition value imo. Users that have the same avatar for ages, you can just identify by that without looking at the nick. In the threads I visit/post the most, there is a whole armada of users wearing a Sportsbet avatar and I always have trouble to distinguish between them, but I always notice their avatars and have to look at their nicks to distinguish. Or look at all the users wearing their beloved hats as avatar.

Now what is the point of all this ? It's maybe more some psychological and/or marketing topic. But with the observations of my own behaviour, I find it kind of odd that bounty campaigns pay good money for wearing a signature, but only some tip for wearing the respective avatar – if that is paid at all. And with everything being so sophisticated nowadays, the companies advertising and promoting via bounty campaigns in here, are missing out on a lot of recognition and optimizing their visibility by not using the option of a) forcing the users to wear their avatar and b) not paying equal money compared to the signature for wearing their avatar. I could even think of avatar-only bounty campaigns, which have been here in the past every now and then, but I haven't seen any for a long time.

So this is maybe just some food for thought for the bounty managers in here, but these campaigns also give some value to bitcointalk - like it or not.

What catches your (subconscious) attention when reading a post ?

Quite some things to manage @efialtis, heh ?

I would put my name on the participants list as well.


Afaik there is only full ring available at Sportsbet, no ? If not, I would vote for 6-handed, but thats just a detail. Full ring always gets me bored too much



Nowadays I don't play poker that often - usually only when I am utterly bored - and I never was an ambitious player anyway. Will never forget my first and only Royal Flush though. Good old days at PartyPoker