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1701  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Operation Bitcoinstorm! on: December 05, 2011, 01:07:19 AM


Where I see bitcoin succeeding is in killer apps that were not possible before bitcoin
Yeah, killer apps like assassination market. The only missing component was anonymous and untraceable payment system like Bitcoin.

What's an assassination? I've never heard of that before. I guess that must be something that can't be done with cash.  Roll Eyes
Take a read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination
and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assasination_market

I'm waiting for such a market, just I was waiting for Silk Road.
1702  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Operation Bitcoinstorm! on: December 05, 2011, 12:48:33 AM


Where I see bitcoin succeeding is in killer apps that were not possible before bitcoin
Yeah, killer apps like assassination market. The only missing component was anonymous and untraceable payment system like Bitcoin.
1703  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD when compared to the 0.4.0 interface on: December 04, 2011, 11:32:11 PM
OK, here I got the quick, unpolished vision how 0.4.0 based client can be improved. Not so much changes, because it's already good as it is now.




changes:
1. The download of blockchain is displayed in statusbar. It's either progressimeter or percent counted.
2. Current bandwidth utilization
3. New Advanced menu with items such as "Manually Add Peer..." and "Rescan Blockchain" and other command-line only switches.

I tried to imagine and visualize how to improve the Qt version. But I figured out that it's like trying to make elephant fly like a colibri bird. It will never happen, the Qt version UI is so unergonomic and the Qt is not meant with MS windows UI in mind. So I see no way to make the current Bitcoin version as usable as it was in 0.4.0
1704  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD when compared to the 0.4.0 interface on: December 04, 2011, 02:03:20 PM
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Wouldn't mentally changing the thread title from
"The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD!"
to
"The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD when compared to the 0.4.0 interface"
(which is pretty much implied already)
completely invalidate your criticism of their criticism?
Ok, changed the topic title.
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after received some coins, the address wont even be changed automatic.
Yes, I also seen that, but it's more to do with functionality than GUI. The Bitcoin is intended to use new adress for every recieved payment, so changing adress automatically is what Satoshi intended and implemented.
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Something I learned from GA at local occupy movement.

Unless you have a clear proposal that includes how you will make improvements on your complaints, your complaint will be ignored and not be presented to everyone for discussion.

So this thread is completely useless in that regard. Just complaining to complain hoping someone will care about your crying. Moving on.
My sugesstion is abandon Qt version completely and stick to 0.4.0 and add interface elements to that, not rework it from scratch. Sorry, I still have not made the mockups of my vision on wxwidgets version, I'm busy right now and Bitcoin is no more on my priority list. The Gavin will not change his mind, and will continiue on what he intended.

Besides that, my bitcoin 0.5.0 crashed twice in last days when computer was idling. This never happened even once with previous versions in last 9 months. I casually checked the crash reports and the adress pointers point to different random memory locations. This says much about the quality of 0.5.0 version.

The good news is that many people who use bitcoins for real purchases on silk road don't even run the software on they'r computers, they instead use web-based wallet services. I will not comeent about safety and anonimity of this practice on this topic, but this means that the change of interface to appeal to noobs are getting less important to success of Bitcoin. Bitcoin already are success!
1705  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD! on: November 26, 2011, 07:52:28 PM
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Mmm... perfect software...

You notice how we aren't at Bitcoin version 1.0 yet?  That the version is "0.5 BETA" ?
Did You notice that DC++ is still 0.782 version? If it was made by Google or Symantec, the same DC++ will be version 10 or 12 major version. Numbering in general does not represent usability or buginness of software. You will not get cake when releasing 1.0 version, Mozilla did not get one for Firefox 8.0 Cheesy
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the huge problem with the old GUI is we have no wxWidgets GUI programmers willing to support the old GUI.
Better to find new developer than use another GUI and screw the whole software up.
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OP is being just a little too nostalgic and afraid of change here. 
Imagine, if You are a straight man and I will offer to sodomize You with big rubber dildo, I will tell that You are too nostalgic and afraid of change. This is not a valid argument at all. The software must be clean, fast, technical, easy to understand just by looking at it. It's like the MS Office 2000 compared to Office 2007 and Ribbon. Sure, both of them works, but my mother needed to completely relearn how to use office suite. I also had a trouble to find menu items for a first few days.
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Bitcoin 0.5.0 is very good and what's more important for Bitcoin's growth, it has user friendly interface!
The 0.40 did not have? Can You tell why it did not have?

I was away and busy for few days so no mockups of improvements on 0.4.0 exist for now. And thank's to all who donated to both my public and private adresses, so I thin'k I'm not alone with such concerns about Bitcoin future. There is a few nostalgic, afraid of change people, who don't like childish interfaces.
1706  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UK severs ties with Iranian Banks on: November 22, 2011, 04:18:00 AM
They have openly stated that they want to eradicate Isreal and essentially start the holy war (World War 3).
If they attack israel, I will volunteer to Iranian army. I also want to see that nest of evil zionism destroyed. If the western minions of jewish israel will not intervene, there will be no WW3 and the liberation of Palestine from zionists will be fast and not more deadly than Korea war.
You know that's not going to happen. If Iran even tries to nuke Isreal they will be obliterated.

The sad part is, I really think they are crazy enough to do it. That will start an evil chain reaction, and then starts the "holy war". Is that what you really want?

Death and destruction for all humanity?
I think Iranian leaders are brave and selfless enough to do that. If the jews and iluminati does not rule over the world, there will be no chain reaction. But even such possibility should not stop the restoration of justice and punishment (death penalty) for israel and jews.

There will be no destruction of all humanity. The danger of nuclear weapons are greatly exaggerated. In cold war both americans and soviets used enemy nukes to frighten the population and have the minds of people against capitalism/communism. In reality there is hundreds of nukes gone off in USA, and You are still living fine. In real war there will be maximum under 100 nuclear explosions, with less total yield than from all nuclear testings together. And modern nuclear weapons are more eco-fiendly, since they are more effective in using nuclear material than first generations of nukes.
1707  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UK severs ties with Iranian Banks on: November 22, 2011, 03:59:04 AM
They have openly stated that they want to eradicate Isreal and essentially start the holy war (World War 3).
If they attack israel, I will volunteer to Iranian army. I also want to see that nest of evil zionism destroyed. If the western minions of jewish israel will not intervene, there will be no WW3 and the liberation of Palestine from zionists will be fast and not more deadly than Korea war.
1708  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD! on: November 22, 2011, 03:45:25 AM
... add Facebook support just like Skype did, so lamers can see each others bitcoin adresses and update they statuses when they send bitcoins.

That's actually a good idea.
Yes, really good for getting quantity of users to skyrocket, but quality of users will suffer. And software will be bloated. I will use alternative Bitcoin client by that time.

Reminds me funny times when unparsed php files was accidentally served by facebook and facebook lawyears treatened me despite me living in another part of the globe. Finally I did not give up and all the files are still circulating internet.
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Sure, show us your mockups.  Just remember, talk is cheap and code is not.  Maybe you'll get lucky and someone will do the hard work for you and you can sit back and learn how to get what you want by whining.
Yes, I know how time consuming it is to write code compared to writing angry posts or drawing with photoshop. I only hope that my ideas will give some inspiration and as a result the client will be better for everyone of us.
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Plus, as had been pointed out, the old GUI is sti available.
I know that old exe file is still there, I will even reinstall if I need to, but I prefer to run latest and greatest.
1709  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD! on: November 22, 2011, 03:24:47 AM
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@MysteryMiner:  I must say that whining about the GUI is not exactly good for your resume to my way of thinking.  Just FYI.
The other things are working good for me, except GUI. As I said, I can use almost any software, except software that requires command line in chinese language. If the Bitcoin will look like that from begining, I will be silent. Not the good interface is replaced with a bad one, it's like something is stolen from me for sake of eye candy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmXL6-F3vZQ
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1. The old icon/logo looked better.
True also. But it's not so important, thay are similar enough.
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2. Don't see the point of the "overview" tab. Everything presented there could (and should) be available in the transactions tab instead.
Yes, like it already was in 0.4.0
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3. Your total balance should be available on every tab and in the same location (top left IMO).
Yes, that was in 0.4.0. In new version it might be the status bar with balance, but it will not be good visibility.
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4. Not a fan of tooltip-heavy software.
I'm not also, the basic operation of Bitcoin does not require tooltips on basic functions. Maybe configurable on/off tooltips will do the job.
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5. Should be able to see the number of confirmations without hovering.
6. Should be able to see connections and block total without hovering.
I also said about that and it was available in 0.4.0
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7. Any way to disable the -Transaction Received- tray message?
This might be easily configurable in options when implemented. But I recieved transactions and did not seen the baloon message. Something wrong?
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10. Splash image looks a bit cheesy.
Cheesy was my old wallet who looked almost exactly like one in splashscreen. It smelled also like swiss cheese. The splash screen reminds me about that every time!

I can make two images that contains my vision about how things should look in 0.4.0 and 0.5.0 versions. You will see that some improvements that are hyped in 0.5.0 can easily be implemented in wxwidgets based 0.4.0, and how Qt based 0.5.0 can be improved by rearranging the layout. Anyone interested?
1710  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD! on: November 22, 2011, 02:55:20 AM
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I guess if you're going for a Windows95 motif then this latest version is a regression.
I don't need particular motif, I can use almost any software. But the original Bitcoin client was so lightweight, minimalistic yet it contained all that was needed for operation. Original Bitcoin was few of the recent software that sticked to oldschool UI principles. Other examples I can give are TrueCrypt, Exact Audio Copy and WinRAR.
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I'm hoping Gavin and Co. will just scrap the GUI entirely. THEN Bitcoin will really catch on.
The Bitcoin will really catch on if they rewrite it in Java and add Facebook support just like Skype did, so lamers can see each others bitcoin adresses and update they statuses when they send bitcoins. This really will get Bitcoin wide userbase.
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Then fork the client... it's opensource.
Yes, it's opensource that means I can get the source code. But this does not mean that I can get the developmenet team or spare time to develop the code further.
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AFAIK QT can be made to look like Windows, but I've never tried.
I don't hate Qt, I know software that uses Qt un Windows and it have good UI. The Vidalia is excellent example. The only thing that is native to Windows is native Windows API.
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To ask them to support 3 different toolkits for Windows, Mac, and Linux is insanity.  You probably don't care about the non-windows platforms, but many do, including the developers.  There are several other clients as well, and if you look around a little you might find one that suits your needs.
I personally will dump support for any other OS than Windows, but Bitcoin is not that case. Bitcoin have more users who are using *nix platforms than average population, partly because they are overparanoid, partly because there is challenging mining rigs setups.
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There are several other clients as well, and if you look around a little you might find one that suits your needs.
My perfect client looks just like original Satoshi client, are written in C++ and ASM, have native 64-bit support.
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LOL.... seriously dude, screw the gui, run bitcoind.  It's really not that hard.
For some special purposes I already do that. For my own desktop computer I prefer the GUI version.
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I have 77 connection and the icon is one small red bar with tree yellow. That does not look positive to me.
This is not so big problem, the icon might be fixed. The problem is that there is no numerical values written in the statusbar at all, I need to aim my cursor and wait for a second to know how much connections I have, instead of just taking a quick look on Bitcoin client to see if the router is working properly and I'm contributing to network.
1711  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD! on: November 22, 2011, 01:03:14 AM
LOL OP what the hell are you talking about?

This is a vast improvement, both aesthetically (although I guess that's always subjective) and functionally (not subjective).

I heart it very much.
Aesthetically it's look like malware written for kids. You are probably new to computers, and you probably never used Win95 that set standart for computer interface for more than next decade. All you need is eye candy that detaches You from the program workings, such as hiding number of connections, hiding number of blocks and so on.

The Functionality is more broken than ever. Using 0.4.0 generate new address and then copy to clipboard it to paste it somewhere. Now do it again using 0.5.0 when the client is in Overview mode. How much clicks You need to done, how much eye and cursor movements?
1712  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD! on: November 22, 2011, 12:56:03 AM
It has been completely revamped using a modern toolkit.  Give it a few releases and I'm sure most of your concerns will be addressed.  This was a necessary pain that will allow the developers to change the UI code more easily.
The key word for the problem is "modern". I prefer the native Windows API.

And I even don'y have the current recieving address displayed in main window with two buttons right to it - New Adress and Copy to clipboard.

This is a lesson for me to test all software prior deploying on my computer. I only checked the setup files signatures to be sure they are released by Bitcoin developers, and did not tested it on my virtual enviroment.

The Satoshi made the original client almost perfect from visual and usability standpoints. Just like he did the Bitcoin Whitepaper. Now Bitcoin is screwed for sure and I'm waiting for forks that uses the old toolkit or even better the native Windows API. I will run the new 0.5.0 as less as possible.
1713  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / The new interface in Bitcoin 0.5.0 is BAD when compared to the 0.4.0 interface on: November 22, 2011, 12:29:56 AM
I installed the 0.5.0 version and the user interface is total crap!

The startup splash screen is lame. The wallet in the picture is very similar to my old wallet I was using for 8 years. It was sticky, and the coins was falling out from it so I got a new one. The Splash screen for Bitcoin must be like in DC++.

The overview window does not allow me quickly view and sort the transactions, I need to click the transactions, but then the balance is not shown.

Transactions window does not show number of confirmations, I need to hang cursor over to see confirmations. The recieved payments who have no label attached to recieving adress is greyed out just like unconfirmed transactions in previous version, even if they are confirmed. The spacing is too large between transactions, the view can't show as much transactions as the 0.4.0 version could.

The connection status looks like signal indicator from old cellphone. I need to hang cursor over it and wait until I can see how much connections I got. In previous versions the number of connections was shown right away in statusbar. The same is for number of blocks.

The Address Book is unnecessary split in page Recieve coins (some stupid user might think that the Recieve Coins button is used for getting the coins) and Address book. The Adress book also have the same problem as transactions window - too much wasted space.

The intruduction of mBTC and uBTC is unnecesiary right now.

Overall the Bitcoin has taken the step that Skype made years earlier - soiling the interface to appeal to novice users also known as lamers. You make a software that even idiot can use, and idiot will be the only one who will use it.

Looking for way to downgrade and continiue using 0.4.0 on my main rig. And even the minimize to tray only works if I click Close button. The setting "Minimize to tray instead of taskbar" does not have any effect.
1714  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind version 0.5.0 on: November 21, 2011, 11:33:54 PM
Gavin, aren't you going to post the hashes signed with your private key?

The download directory contains them in a file called SHASUMS.asc:
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/bitcoin/files/Bitcoin/bitcoin-0.5.0/SHASUMS.asc/download

... which I'll reproduce here just because it is easy:

Code:
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
Hash: SHA1

d80b811852744aaa23bc7eddd23cdac4d56bb50f  bitcoin-0.5.0-linux.tar.gz
86b0de71d601176ba49a84da59baf37ec3b561ec  bitcoin-0.5.0-macosx.dmg
4649a78d3a55843b7ced690694b9b241a26f4d93  bitcoin-0.5.0-win32-setup.exe
97ef546d923e75f309a19f8a52b07affc0942948  bitcoin-0.5.0-win32.zip
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (Darwin)

iEYEARECAAYFAk7Kdy8ACgkQdYgkL74406g2ogCgiMfivGR4xJOacx/DnYfIiBO0
tlgAmwRYs7eKIgz1v3t1tj1I3NrrBfij
=SFwh
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Would not be better to sign each file individually with gpg so I can check it. Now I need to first check the checksum of file and then I need to check the signature of checksum message to see if the message is valid and then compare the two checksums by eye. It's like scratching the right ear with left hand.
1715  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UK severs ties with Iranian Banks on: November 21, 2011, 11:28:27 PM
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The Iranian government is evil and batshit insane.
Western propaganda. Iran did not invade any country. USA invaded dozens. And Israel is not legitimate state at all. Who is insane?
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I can almost see them adopting and promoting bitcoin just to hurt the western worlds governments. In this case the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
It's unlikely to happen, but Iran might support gold as a payment medium. This will have almost the same effect on western economics that is bouilt upon scam scheme also known as fractional reserve banking.
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the average iranian citizens that are no doubt being economically, in addition to politically, oppressed by their regime.
How can people who live in one of the wealthiest countries in region be economically opressed? Iran builds planes, cars, all other stuff they need. In contrast my country is one of the most democratic ones in europe, but in last 20 years we lost almost 400 000 of our little more than 2 million people because of capitalism and free market, that brings us unemployment and social injustice. I'm very savvy in computers, but I'm patriotic and nationalist who preferes to live in my country and go day by day as a black hat, than work as an alien worker in some large corporation in western europe. Speaking about political opression, in Iran You are politically opressed only if you are western capitalist, liberal, spy or homosexual. In my country the opposite is true.
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Agreed.  There is exactly one country that has a legitimate and justifiable need for a handful of nuclear weapons, and that country is Iran.  It is a responsibility they have to their citizens else their country is almost certain to end up in the same miserable condition as Iraq.
Surprisingly true words. I only hope that Iran will get the nukes fast enough and the great leaders will have the courage to use them when necessary!
1716  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind version 0.5.0 on: November 21, 2011, 09:30:45 PM
i fell in love with the gui and all the new features, nice work ppl, thank you  Cheesy
Tits or it did not happen! Seriously, I want to see screenshots of new Bitcoin client.
1717  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: UK severs ties with Iranian Banks on: November 21, 2011, 09:27:25 PM
Bitcoins could help Iran, because in Iran there is no internation credit cards (no VISA, no Mastercard are allowed to operate in Iran), and do You remember that ALL accounts of iranian citizens were seized by PayPal and the funds was basically stolen. And after such actions there is surprise that Iran wants to get nuclear weapons, since both united kingdom and usa already have them. And USA shot down Iranian airliner with missle over sea, and USA supported the opressive regime of autoritarian dictator.
1718  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind version 0.5.0 on: November 21, 2011, 09:19:01 PM
Up and running !

Only complaint is that when in the Options (on Windows 7x64), when checking "Start Bitcoin on windows system startup" and then hitting Apply. There's a slight locking up of the program, then the box becomes unchecked.  I'm not sure it's actually doing anything.  Hitting Ok instead of Apply, yields the same results, except the Options dialog disappears and the checkbox is still checked.  When you re-open Options, the checkbox isn't checked anymore.

Might be something to look into Smiley
Seems for me like UAC preventing creation of startup entries since the Bitcoin is not Run As Administrator...

Will soon install 0.5.0 myself to check out new version and interface. And Thanks to Gavin and all other contributors for this new release!

I was thinking the same thing and after running as admin, the checkbox is still acting as described above.  Non-working.
Use sysinternals to check where it is trying to create the startup entry. I'm busy right now with other things, tomorrow I will take a closer look on new bitcoin version
1719  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin-Qt/bitcoind version 0.5.0 on: November 21, 2011, 09:13:00 PM
Up and running !

Only complaint is that when in the Options (on Windows 7x64), when checking "Start Bitcoin on windows system startup" and then hitting Apply. There's a slight locking up of the program, then the box becomes unchecked.  I'm not sure it's actually doing anything.  Hitting Ok instead of Apply, yields the same results, except the Options dialog disappears and the checkbox is still checked.  When you re-open Options, the checkbox isn't checked anymore.

Might be something to look into Smiley
Seems for me like UAC preventing creation of startup entries since the Bitcoin is not Run As Administrator...

Will soon install 0.5.0 myself to check out new version and interface. And Thanks to Gavin and all other contributors for this new release!
1720  Other / Meta / Re: Looking for someone to create/modify software for this forum on: November 21, 2011, 08:59:15 PM
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The default theme should be minimalistic like the current theme. Nothing that looks "web 2.0": no speech bubbles, no significant space between posts, no significant hover effects, and few rounded corners.
This is surprising that I'm not left alone in this world, who hates the web 2.0 and XP style pokemonic interfaces.

The security, interface, functionality requirements are almost perfect and reasonable. The requests for moderation are too complicated. The standart moderation that by default is shipped with phpbb vbulletin or simplemachines is sufficient, if there is enough moderators available. With small staff moderating forum large as bitcointalk is like full-time job combined with slavery.

The requirement for blocking proxy or tor exit nodes is bad. I registered here when I was sceptical about future of Bitcoin, so I did not care to hide my IP or identity. OK, I'm not doing anything here on this forum that can give me meatspace trouble, but users should be left with possibilities to hide. If there is automatic flood and abuse prevention in place, such as limitation for users with few posts, there is little to no need for banning proxies. Still You cannot ban the proxies I offer as they all are run by many private users and they are not listed on web.
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