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1741  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH + DCR Hashrate on: July 19, 2017, 09:46:45 PM
4 RX 480/580 + 1 RX 570:

Code:
ETH - Total Speed: 143.610 Mh/s, Total Shares: 256(49+56+50+49+57), Rejected: 0, Time: 01:58
ETH: GPU0 28.424 Mh/s, GPU1 28.932 Mh/s, GPU2 28.806 Mh/s, GPU3 28.796 Mh/s, GPU4 28.653 Mh/s
  DCR - Total Speed: 4423.591 Mh/s, Total Shares: 814(188+177+158+165+126), Rejected: 7
  DCR: GPU0 909.553 Mh/s, GPU1 925.824 Mh/s, GPU2 921.780 Mh/s, GPU3 921.458 Mh/s, GPU4 744.976 Mh/s
Incorrect ETH shares: GPU0 2, GPU2 1
 1 minute average ETH total speed: 142.641 Mh/s
Pool switches: ETH - 0, DCR - 0
Current ETH share target: 0x0000000112e0be82 (diff: 4000MH), epoch 134(2.05GB) Current DCR share target: 0x000000002287a87d (diff: 31GH), block #152208

That's a real good hashrate! Have you modded your BIOS, etc. to achieve such hash rate? For my RX 580 and RX 570, I get hash rate of 22 Mh/s and 18 Mh/s.

Would appreciate if you can share some details. Thanks.

Yes, a simple strap mod using the Uber Mix v3.1 timings for the Samsung memory cards and the 1500 timing copied to the higher timings on the Hynix cards. That with 1150 MHz core clock and a 2050-2075 MHz memory clock with a -96 mV undervolt in Afterburner should get you to 28-29 MH/s with ~920 MH/s DCR for the RX 480/580 cards and ~740 MH/s with the RX 470/570 cards.

Thanks. Will try it @ home later today. Btw, while doing the BIOS mod, do you apply them one card at a time, i.e. disconnect all other cards in your rig? Or all other cards can be connected, but only make changes to one card at a time and then restart after applying the mod and patching it and then move to the next card.

Just want to make sure, what is the most stable way to mod the GPU BIOS.

If the cards are all exactly the same, then Atiflash will index up to 3 cards at a time. If the cards are different I would do them one at a time and remove all others to make sure you mod the right card. You can leave the cards on the riser to do the Bios mod. After you mod the cards, you will be prompted to restart. Lots of videos on youtube and guides online on how to do it. If you use Windows, after you mod the Bios you may need to use the pixel patcher to disable the Bios signature check, otherwise you will get a code 43 GPU error in Device Manager.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAiScXPisAY

1742  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: gpu bubble well and truly bursting on: July 19, 2017, 08:35:26 PM

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH

For how many days you have the 168 MH/s on ETH and by when you have 100 MH/s left? In few weeks? Smiley

Spoken like a true clueless Nvidia fan boy that's bad at math! You don't understand the epoch problem. I think you need to watch this video to understand what is going on with the RX 4XX/5XX epcoh hash drop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQE9WdhupAg

Bottom line is the ETH epoch will be in the 160's by the end of the year and probably less if the block times keep increasing. By then if nothing is done to resolve the issue, the Claymore benchmarks show about a 25% hash drop by epoch 160, which in my own tests, I found the Claymore benchmarks to be overstating the actual hash drop from epoch changes.

The bigger and more relevant issue is at the latest ETH dev meeting last Friday, it was stated they have no plans to address the the increase in block times and difficulty due to the ongoing programmed ICE AGE before the Metropolis POW/POS hybrid release due by November this year. This means at the current price, ETH will no longer be profitable to mine for most people by the end of August once the difficulty retargets as programmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQg_lHEKl4&t=2520s

The ICE AGE affects ALL ETH miners, ESPECIALLY Nvidia ETH miners, since they are ALREADY much less efficient at mining ETH compared to the AMD cards that cost less than half. I get watching smart people that didn't over pay for their GPU's making more money than those that spent the same amount and are making less must suck!

You must be a Ethereum fanboy if you believe anything Vitalik and his cohorts publicly say.
How about this newsflash
https://themerkle.com/ethereum-developers-contemplate-delaying-difficulty-bomb-by-another-1-4-years/
They obviously are a confused bunch, contradicting themselves.

How is that news? The developers already said they plan on a POW/POS hybrid for the Metropolis release due before November 6th of this year, which that article doesn't even mention. The switch to POS was planned for a second hard fork contingent on how the hybrid fork went, sometime next year. The article is just speculating on how long the switch to full POS is going to take. Also according to that article, the ICE AGE difficulty adjustment won't happen until the end of next year. ETH mining won't be profitable in the next two months unless they do something to diffuse the ICE AGE difficulty retarget.

The talk at the developer meeting was adjusting the block times so that network transactions won't be affected and the miner block reward so they stay at the same number of tokens per second as they are now once they defuse the difficulty bomb at the same time they release Metropolis before November.
1743  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH + DCR Hashrate on: July 19, 2017, 06:47:45 PM
Where do you send the DCR mined, just to a wallet like you would ETH?

Yes, I use the Decredition wallet. You could also use an exchange wallet address.
1744  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: MINING WITH amd rx SERIES on: July 19, 2017, 05:55:53 PM
I suggest you download the NiceHash miner and run the benchmark. That will give your rigs hash rate for different algorithms. You can then use a profitablity calculator to see which are the most profitable coins for you to mine.

http://whattomine.com
1745  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH + DCR Hashrate on: July 19, 2017, 05:10:29 PM
4 RX 480/580 + 1 RX 570:

Code:
ETH - Total Speed: 143.610 Mh/s, Total Shares: 256(49+56+50+49+57), Rejected: 0, Time: 01:58
ETH: GPU0 28.424 Mh/s, GPU1 28.932 Mh/s, GPU2 28.806 Mh/s, GPU3 28.796 Mh/s, GPU4 28.653 Mh/s
  DCR - Total Speed: 4423.591 Mh/s, Total Shares: 814(188+177+158+165+126), Rejected: 7
  DCR: GPU0 909.553 Mh/s, GPU1 925.824 Mh/s, GPU2 921.780 Mh/s, GPU3 921.458 Mh/s, GPU4 744.976 Mh/s
Incorrect ETH shares: GPU0 2, GPU2 1
 1 minute average ETH total speed: 142.641 Mh/s
Pool switches: ETH - 0, DCR - 0
Current ETH share target: 0x0000000112e0be82 (diff: 4000MH), epoch 134(2.05GB) Current DCR share target: 0x000000002287a87d (diff: 31GH), block #152208

That's a real good hashrate! Have you modded your BIOS, etc. to achieve such hash rate? For my RX 580 and RX 570, I get hash rate of 22 Mh/s and 18 Mh/s.

Would appreciate if you can share some details. Thanks.

Yes, a simple strap mod using the Uber Mix v3.1 timings for the Samsung memory cards and the 1500 timing copied to the higher timings on the Hynix cards. That with 1150 MHz core clock and a 2050-2075 MHz memory clock with a -96 mV undervolt in Afterburner should get you to 28-29 MH/s with ~920 MH/s DCR for the RX 480/580 cards and ~740 MH/s with the RX 470/570 cards.
1746  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: gpu bubble well and truly bursting on: July 19, 2017, 04:50:55 PM

I just showed your statement about the AMD hash drop was factually wrong, just like the rest of the nonsense you keep running your mouth on like an idiot, without even knowing the basic facts about what you are talking about!

you showed that you are ignoring the AMD hash drop which is simple and proved a fact Smiley

here are some values which might made it understandable even for you Wink (the drop is in % the same for all RX4xx and RX5xx bzw.)

RX 470 4GB :
DAG 120 : 27.4 (past)
DAG 130 : 27.2 (will hit on 20/06/2017)
DAG 140 : 25.3 (will hit on 31/07/2017)
DAG 150 : 22.2 (will hit on 11/09/2017)
DAG 160 : 19.5 (will hit on 22/10/2017)

even the cheap 1060 will outperform any RX4xx / RX5xx soon.

You've made it clear you have no clue what you are talking about. If you actually run the benchmarks you will find the hash drop by the is overstated compared to the actual drop in hash rate from the epoch change, just as I already said. If you knew anything about ETH mining instead of rambling like an idiot, you would know that an epoch is every 30000 blocks, which means it DEPENDS ON THE BLOCK TIME. Which also means that people that know about ETH mining, as explained at the last ETH developer meeting, know the block times are getting longer due to the ICE AGE and will be 22 seconds at the end of July, 27 seconds by the end of August and 35 seconds by the end of September.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQg_lHEKl4&feature=youtu.be&t=2956

Which means the epoch's are taking PROGRESSIVELY LONGER. Going back to that simple math again, which I know is challenging for Nvidia card owners, going by an average of 30 second block times to make the math simple, means:

30000 blocks x 30 sec = 900000 seconds = 10.42 days/epoch
Days left in the year = 165 days = average of 16 epoch's left in the year

The current epoch is 134, which means we won't even hit epoch 150 by the end off the year. Just like I also said the ICE AGE difficulty is the BIGGER and more RELEVANT issue and that affects ALL ETH miners and ESPECIALLY Nvidia ETH miners.
1747  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: ETH + DCR Hashrate on: July 19, 2017, 04:13:05 PM
4 RX 480/580 + 1 RX 570:

Code:
ETH - Total Speed: 143.610 Mh/s, Total Shares: 256(49+56+50+49+57), Rejected: 0, Time: 01:58
ETH: GPU0 28.424 Mh/s, GPU1 28.932 Mh/s, GPU2 28.806 Mh/s, GPU3 28.796 Mh/s, GPU4 28.653 Mh/s
  DCR - Total Speed: 4423.591 Mh/s, Total Shares: 814(188+177+158+165+126), Rejected: 7
  DCR: GPU0 909.553 Mh/s, GPU1 925.824 Mh/s, GPU2 921.780 Mh/s, GPU3 921.458 Mh/s, GPU4 744.976 Mh/s
Incorrect ETH shares: GPU0 2, GPU2 1
 1 minute average ETH total speed: 142.641 Mh/s
Pool switches: ETH - 0, DCR - 0
Current ETH share target: 0x0000000112e0be82 (diff: 4000MH), epoch 134(2.05GB) Current DCR share target: 0x000000002287a87d (diff: 31GH), block #152208
1748  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: gpu bubble well and truly bursting on: July 19, 2017, 03:51:48 PM

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH

For how many days you have the 168 MH/s on ETH and by when you have 100 MH/s left? In few weeks? Smiley

Spoken like a true clueless Nvidia fan boy that's bad at math!

Your great math skills we know already (you finished ground school with them?) - just stay in your AMD bubble and wait till even the hardware is worth nothing anymore Wink

I just showed your statement about the AMD hash drop was factually wrong, just like the rest of the nonsense you keep running your mouth on like an idiot, without even knowing the basic facts about what you are talking about!
1749  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: gpu bubble well and truly bursting on: July 19, 2017, 10:33:29 AM

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH

For how many days you have the 168 MH/s on ETH and by when you have 100 MH/s left? In few weeks? Smiley

Spoken like a true clueless Nvidia fan boy that's bad at math! You don't understand the epoch problem. I think you need to watch this video to understand what is going on with the RX 4XX/5XX epcoh hash drop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQE9WdhupAg

Bottom line is the ETH epoch will be in the 160's by the end of the year and probably less if the block times keep increasing. By then if nothing is done to resolve the issue, the Claymore benchmarks show about a 25% hash drop by epoch 160, which in my own tests, I found the Claymore benchmarks to be overstating the actual hash drop from epoch changes.

The bigger and more relevant issue is at the latest ETH dev meeting last Friday, it was stated they have no plans to address the the increase in block times and difficulty due to the ongoing programmed ICE AGE before the Metropolis POW/POS hybrid release due by November this year. This means at the current price, ETH will no longer be profitable to mine for most people by the end of August once the difficulty retargets as programmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQg_lHEKl4&t=2520s

The ICE AGE affects ALL ETH miners, ESPECIALLY Nvidia ETH miners, since they are ALREADY much less efficient at mining ETH compared to the AMD cards that cost less than half. I get watching smart people that didn't over pay for their GPU's making more money than those that spent the same amount and are making less must suck!
1750  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Claymore's Dual Ethereum AMD+NVIDIA GPU Miner v9.7 (Windows/Linux) on: July 19, 2017, 01:12:17 AM
What do you guys think it will happen in autumn after the RX 4xx/5xx will become almost obsolete with the DAG 180 ? From benchmarks the hashrate for these will drop to 12Mh/s or so ..
I see a possible scenario in which many miners will sell their rigs or others will mine ZEC and change it 1:1 for ETH .

You don't understand the epoch problem. I think you need to watch this video to understand what is going on with the RX 4XX/5XX epcoh hash drop.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQE9WdhupAg

Bottom line is the ETH epoch will be in the 160's by the end of the year, maybe less if the block times keep increasing. By then if nothing is done to resolve the issue, the Claymore benchmarks show about a 25% hash drop by epoch 160, which in my own tests, I found the Claymore benchmarks to be overstating the actual hash drop from epoch changes.

The bigger and more relevant issue is at the latest ETH dev meeting last Friday, it was stated they have no plans to address the the increase in block times and difficulty due to the ongoing programmed ICE AGE before the Metropolis POW/POS hybrid release due by November this year. This means at the current price, ETH will no longer be profitable to mine for most people by the end of August once the difficulty retargets as programmed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQg_lHEKl4&t=2520s
1751  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Is this a bad time to invest in AMD GPUs for mining altcoins? on: July 18, 2017, 08:27:44 PM
I suggest you cancel your order and buy half as many overpriced Nvidia cards for the same money. That way someone that knows what they're doing can buy the AMD cards.
1752  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: gpu bubble well and truly bursting on: July 18, 2017, 06:32:47 PM
That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH with 4300 MH/s on DCR dual mining or 1800+ H/s on ZEC and a faster ROI for more profit. For the same $1400 spent on cards, you can only buy two 1080 Ti, which won't come close to the six RX 570 4GB cards in mining performance.


Actually two 1080Ti's will give you 1600 sols worth of ZEC which is pretty close in hash rate to the system you specced out except you can just throw those 2 Ti's in your current rig and mitigate all of the other costs (except maybe PSU) while having a machine that can run any game in the world at 4k 60fps.

Pretty sure id take that over the dedicated mining rig because I like to game.

I doubt you could get 1600 H/s out of two $700 1080 Ti's, which are usually the blower model cards for that price, without overheating the cards, especially in a case. Even so, the extra $230 spent on the accessories can be made up easy with the AMD cards by dual mining ETH, which is more profitable and you still have the hardware that can also be resold. If you want a system you could also game with then yes, the 1080 Ti's are a better choice, but not the most profitable choice.

I have purchased 1080 ti's as low as 570 usd from newegg  asus  blower style


  2 = 1140   usd

and the give me 1300 sols  using about 400 watts for a 2 card rig.

so
1140  2x 1080 ti's
  100  1x mobo
  120  1x psu
    50    8gb ram
    20   64gb usb 3 stick
      0  nvoc  os

1430  for the rig     that does 1300 sols  at 400 watts

If you can  show me a rx 570  rig that good  I would be surprised.

buying  1080ti's new  well under 700 is still possible

Yea, you could have bought RX 470/570 4GB cards for $160 on sale at one point too. I bought some for $190 in June. TODAY you would be very lucky to find one for $650, however you can still buy RX 570 4GB cards today for $230, if you can find them in stock.
1753  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: gpu bubble well and truly bursting on: July 18, 2017, 05:56:34 PM
That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH with 4300 MH/s on DCR dual mining or 1800+ H/s on ZEC and a faster ROI for more profit. For the same $1400 spent on cards, you can only buy two 1080 Ti, which won't come close to the six RX 570 4GB cards in mining performance.


Actually two 1080Ti's will give you 1600 sols worth of ZEC which is pretty close in hash rate to the system you specced out except you can just throw those 2 Ti's in your current rig and mitigate all of the other costs (except maybe PSU) while having a machine that can run any game in the world at 4k 60fps.

Pretty sure id take that over the dedicated mining rig because I like to game.

I doubt you could get 1600 H/s out of two $700 1080 Ti's, which are usually the blower model cards for that price, without overheating the cards, especially in a case. Even so, the extra $230 spent on the accessories can be made up easy with the AMD cards by dual mining ETH, which is more profitable and you still have the hardware that can also be resold. If you want a system you could also game with then yes, the 1080 Ti's are a better choice, but not the most profitable choice.
1754  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Fifth alt coin thread last four got too big. on: July 18, 2017, 05:35:54 PM

Interesting Phil.  Why silver over gold though?  Is it easier to cash in silver bars over gold bars?

Also whats everybody's thoughts on the new Bitmain D3 X11 miner?

I'd be careful with buying silver. Peter Schiff has been rambling on calling BTC a bubble since it hit $200 in 2015. He's now saying you should buy silver, just like he did when it was $34/oz. in 2012 before it crashed.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUdQMXa0RvE

The Bitmain D3 X11 miner seems like a better play than silver Smiley
1755  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: gpu bubble well and truly bursting on: July 18, 2017, 05:23:40 PM
>And the 1080 ti will earn back much more then the rx 580.  So Amd takes a big hit here.

I am not sure. I can get 580 for $259 new from tier 1 seller today, and 1080 ti around $750.

You don't Drive a Tesla for a taxi unless you it's for pleasure.


1080 Ti owners are universally bad at math. They think the only hash per card matters, without taking in to account the actual mining performance per cost. ANY three $230 RX 570 4GB cards will outperform a single 1080 Ti by far in just about at any algorithm while costing less. That's the reason why you can walk in to any store and buy an overpriced 1080/1080 Ti with no problem and finding a RX 570/580 card is like hen's teeth.

talking about math, you will need at least twice as much hardware to support an armada of RX570s (MB,CPU,RAM,PSU,SSD)

$1400 6 RX 570 4GB cards
$300 1200W EVGA P2 PSU
$80 ASRock or Biostar 6 PCI-e mining motherboard
$55 Pentium CPU
$35 4GB RAM
$20 32GB USB Flash Drive
$45 6 powered risers
= >$2000

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH with 4300 MH/s on DCR dual mining or 1800+ H/s on ZEC. For the same $1400 spent on cards, you can only buy two 1080 Ti, which won't come close to the six RX 570 4GB cards in mining performance.

However, the 1080ti is more efficient.

Yes, more efficient at extending your ROI time and keeping you from making a profit! Also keep in mind $230 for a RX 570 4GB is the price after retailers started raising the price. Most of my cards were bought for $190-$220, which was already overpriced compared to 3-4 months ago. That just shows how overpriced the 1080 Ti already is as a mining card.
1756  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: gpu bubble well and truly bursting on: July 18, 2017, 04:16:43 PM
>And the 1080 ti will earn back much more then the rx 580.  So Amd takes a big hit here.

I am not sure. I can get 580 for $259 new from tier 1 seller today, and 1080 ti around $750.

You don't Drive a Tesla for a taxi unless you it's for pleasure.


1080 Ti owners are universally bad at math. They think the only hash per card matters, without taking in to account the actual mining performance per cost. ANY three $230 RX 570 4GB cards will outperform a single 1080 Ti by far in just about at any algorithm while costing less. That's the reason why you can walk in to any store and buy an overpriced 1080/1080 Ti with no problem and finding a RX 570/580 card is like hen's teeth.

talking about math, you will need at least twice as much hardware to support an armada of RX570s (MB,CPU,RAM,PSU,SSD)

$1400 6 RX 570 4GB cards
$300 1200W EVGA P2 PSU
$80 ASRock or Biostar 6 PCI-e mining motherboard
$55 Pentium CPU
$35 4GB RAM
$20 32GB USB Flash Drive
$45 6 powered risers
= >$2000

That rig will easily give you 168 MH/s on ETH with 4300 MH/s on DCR dual mining or 1800+ H/s on ZEC and a faster ROI for more profit. For the same $1400 spent on cards, you can only buy two 1080 Ti, which won't come close to the six RX 570 4GB cards in mining performance.
1757  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: RX 580 Nitro+ hashrate issues on: July 18, 2017, 03:14:12 PM
Sounds like the cards are throttling from the heat. I target to stay at less than 72C. Try putting a box fan on the cards so you have better circulation without having to turn up the fan speed on the cards too much. Also check for memory errors with HWinfo. I've never seen a bios modded RX 570/580 that can overclock to 2250 MHz on the memory without producing tons of memory errors. On my RX Nitro Pulse 580 4 GB and Nitro+ 570 4 GB cards with Hynix memory I use a a -96 mV undervolt, 1150 MHz core clock and 2075 MHz memory clock and get 28.8 ETH hash, 735 MH/s on DCR with the RX 570 and 925 MH/s on DCR with the RX 580 dual mining speed.
1758  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: gpu bubble well and truly bursting on: July 18, 2017, 02:27:59 PM
>And the 1080 ti will earn back much more then the rx 580.  So Amd takes a big hit here.

I am not sure. I can get 580 for $259 new from tier 1 seller today, and 1080 ti around $750.

You don't Drive a Tesla for a taxi unless you it's for pleasure.


1080 Ti owners are universally bad at math. They think the only hash per card matters, without taking in to account the actual mining performance per cost. ANY three $230 RX 570 4GB cards will outperform a single 1080 Ti by far in just about at any algorithm while costing less. That's the reason why you can walk in to any store and buy an overpriced 1080/1080 Ti with no problem and finding a RX 570/580 card is like hen's teeth.
1759  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Is anyone actually turning a profit with BURST mining? on: July 18, 2017, 12:27:35 PM
IMineBlocks on YouTube does a monthly video with his Burstcoin earnings from a 100TB setup:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XtbYN7PUIRI

115TB Plotted Space = 26,802 Burstcoin June 1st -30th 2017
1760  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Looking for an advance alctoin mining software on: July 18, 2017, 02:48:38 AM
New coins won't be tracked by Nicehash or profitablity calculators. You basically have to check the Announcement board here for new coins. Most will have a date when they are scheduled to be released along with the coin info in the announcement post. With new coins there are often problems that will delay it's release or even require a relaunch. Sometimes coins will be released 'ninja' style without an pre-announcement, but 99.9% of those coins are pump and dump scams where only the early miners and dev cash in as soon as they can get an exchange to list it. Also, sometimes a new coin will actually be a virus or trojan, so you have to be careful not to run any executables on your main system.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=159.0

I also remeber there being some websites that kept track of upcoming new coin release dates, but I don't know if there still are.
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