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1741  Economy / Speculation / Re: What is the best way to acquire 1 million dollars worth of bitcoins? on: September 13, 2012, 08:39:02 AM
If time isnt an issue:

Buy 100k USD worth in a straight market order
Wait 2 years
Profit
1742  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: September 13, 2012, 08:36:35 AM
Finally a decent ask setup! I see some wall munching in the near future.
1743  Economy / Economics / Re: Deflation and Bitcoin, the last word on this forum on: September 13, 2012, 05:27:13 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen_fixation ... let's not go too deep into biology ... it is a brutal game of killing and giving life and not a good source of proofs for Your points :-)

Let's go back to currencies. Do You think that a currency that changes value by 100%-300% is a good currency :-) Such a change would devastate business in a BTC based country.

When you say BTC based country, you have to consider that it's highly unlikely there will be such a thing as a "BTC based country". It's much more likely to continue to be a complementary currency which functions in conjunction with existing national fiat currencies. It will fill roles that can function with a high rate of deflation (ie electronic goods & services), but will struggle when competing offline with the relative consistency of fiat values.
1744  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Dumbass who bought a pizza for 10k bitcoins on: September 13, 2012, 05:20:00 AM
In two more years, people will say the same thing about the "dumbasses" that sold when it moved from 15 to 8.
1745  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: stabilizing bitcoin market on: September 12, 2012, 08:12:35 PM
I'm no economist, but if bitcoin mining reaches the cap, and there's therefore no new currency entering into the btc market, holding
on to money could present a serious problem.

If 1 guy held on to like a million btc in hopes that the value would rise as a result of there being less in circulation, that could
potentially be disastrous to the economy right?

bitcoin is infinitely divisible, if that is what your question refers to.

One problem with someone holding 1mm bitcoins is the potential for market manipulation.
1746  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: stabilizing bitcoin market on: September 12, 2012, 07:41:41 PM
is it ever possible? market is so small (100mil usd) Talked to wellsfargo broker who told me that if market is so little stabilization will never happend.

I agree.

While the market is small, it will not happen, but as it gets larger, it gets progressively more stable. Never is a strong word.
1747  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: September 12, 2012, 06:30:54 AM
Here's a thought.  Somebody with bitcoin to sell figured out how to mess with feed data.  Put up big wall, people place bids ahead of wall, sell into bids.

Hmm I think that is far less likely than:

1. Someone purposely manipulating the markets
or
2. Someone earnestly trying to enter with a large sum at the lowest price possible

Its not #2.

To my memory, whenever we've seen a wall put up then removed, unless the market moves drastically after removal, it goes back up.

An impatient market maker trying to get it moving, I think.

Yep, seems to be the case. Good for the price I suppose, bad for the bots.
1748  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Discussion, establishment of a Bitcoin Credit Union on: September 12, 2012, 04:24:28 AM
I'm interested in helping out. I've got years of director level experience in technology start-ups on the business side of things. I can wear many different hats, depending on what needs to be done. Let me know how I can help

Thanks
1749  Economy / Speculation / Re: What do you base your speculation on? on: September 12, 2012, 03:44:51 AM
This thread delivers  Grin
1750  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: September 12, 2012, 03:26:25 AM
Here's a thought.  Somebody with bitcoin to sell figured out how to mess with feed data.  Put up big wall, people place bids ahead of wall, sell into bids.

Hmm I think that is far less likely than:

1. Someone purposely manipulating the markets
or
2. Someone earnestly trying to enter with a large sum at the lowest price possible
1751  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: September 12, 2012, 01:03:00 AM


Adam isnt sounding so crazy all of a sudden...
1752  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: September 12, 2012, 12:23:50 AM
Since it doesn't look that this wall gonna be sold into how long do you think it will last? When will it get pulled?
A day? A week?

This is driving me nuts, why isn't this showing up on the bitcoincharts order book.

It shows up in the http api too, is there a quick way to check the websockets api? If bitcoincharts doesn't show it because of a bug that would be hell of a coincidence. They are refreshing the prices for sure.

I just realized, bitcoincharts.com order book locked up before that giant wall was placed. Look a best BID and ASK prices, something like 11.09$/BTC and 11.19$/BTC! Thats why its not showing.

Yes I've seen that, this is very suspicious timing.

I suspect at some point the person will get impatient and will end up buying.

I suspect its pirate forcing the market to buy his asks.

that also makes sense to me. If I had a ton of coins i wanted to sell, it would make sense to put asks up in small amounts and throw a massive bid wall up to push the market into buying my coins. Assuming he wants to maintain part of his position in BTC.

This could quite easily backfire. Someone with 30+ of their own could put a hurt on anyone trying to manipulate this way.
1753  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: Hiring C++ and JS programmers on: September 11, 2012, 08:38:01 PM
I would say it compliments it. One thing you can do with it is exchange bitcoins for fiat without the need of a centralized market such as mtgox. Which will be very useful for bitcoin.

Oh. Hell. Yes.

This is exactly what bitcoin needs right now.
1754  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: stabilizing bitcoin market on: September 11, 2012, 08:31:16 AM
Explain to me, please, why everyone thinks that having a limited number of bitcoins, EVER, makes it somehow desirable.

Bitcoin will always be the crpytocurrency with 21M cap and set rate. If anyone wants something else (and a few do) they give it another name so as not to appear or be fraudsters. Bitcoin is what it is and a lot of people understand and trust it and desire it.

People don't desire the currencies with holes in their tanks nearly as much.

That still hasn't explained why having a set cap on your currency is such a good idea.

Even money backed by a gold standard has influx of new gold from mining as well as fluctuations on the gold market which can have drastic repercussions on the currency.

HOW and WHY is having a 21M cap and a set "mining" rate on bitcoins a desirable thing?

It's desirable for those holding the currency... This early adopter incentive is the absolute only way that a currency can hope to compete with the nation states currencies (given the risks one holding it assumes).
1755  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: colored bitcoins/distributed exchanges proof-of-concept on: September 10, 2012, 02:04:16 AM
I understand the coloring part, but I don't get how this paves the way for distributed exchanges. What am I missing?
1756  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Where Matthew Failed in His bet on: September 10, 2012, 01:50:23 AM
As I said in another thread....

You guys are taking this way too far.

Matthew welched on a silly bet, to try and prove a point. You guys are treating him as if he TOOK MONEY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS.

Considering how relaxed most people have been, in regards to Trendon Shavers aka Pirateat40 (causing most of my frustration) I find Matthew's situation to be a bit 'scape-goatish' under the circumstances.

Does Matthew really deserve to be punished to the extent he currently is being punished ?

There are far more people on this forum that have done far worse and still don't seem to have a scammer tag or their names dragged through the mud and THEY ACTUALLY LOST PEOPLE'S MONEY. Nothing was lost in the 'Matthew' situation, right ?


Shall we make our way to the Lending and Securities Forums and start getting those scammer tags applied to the people that actually TOOK REAL MONEY from people and not simply made a bet where NO MONEY CHANGED HANDS and cost the participants exactly ZERO... ?

Why are you pretending like he did nothing wrong? The man let his ego run fucking wild and he now gets to deal with the consequences. Let him take what is coming.
1757  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Discussion about 10,000BTC Bet (Official) on: September 10, 2012, 01:47:00 AM
Never seen anyone commit social suicide via the internet before.  Shocked
1758  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin a scam? on: September 08, 2012, 08:00:04 AM
Lets go over the claim of the self-proclaimed internet economist - attention whore that bitcoin is a scam.

Since bitcoins are non-renewable commodities, early adopters have a one time advantage that disappears on the day they sell out their bitcoins; It's a one time gain, as opposed to the happy few bankers who control central money creation, whose advantage is lasting and growing over time.

Early adopters are necessary to bootstrap innovation: only the state or a similar tentacular organization has enough clout and propaganda mechanisms at its disposal to bootstrap a new currency to everybody at once.

Hence, saying that bitcoin profits early adopters too much amounts to negating the possibility to offer an alternative to central money.

Leave replies on Quora please =)
1759  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Bitcoin a scam? on: September 07, 2012, 08:47:13 PM
Downvote this guy's answer (top answer from Adam Cohen) if you dont think so:

http://www.quora.com/Bitcoin/Is-the-cryptocurrency-Bitcoin-a-good-idea

People are using this douchebags answer as the "definitive" answer on the future of bitcoin when the topic comes up (see the CNN discussion yesterday)...
1760  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: September 07, 2012, 08:42:01 PM
You all might be interested in seeing these walls in motion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX-_vAXaLpU

Screams manipulation to me. Especially in the last few seconds. Boy I would love to see somebody instantly buying up say 80k coins when a sell wall is erected.

I thought it was fairly boring actually, what screams manipulation to you?
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