Is it normal to have only 16% gpu usage on HwInfo ?  i'm getting about 230 Mh/s @ 1000watt ( 4 rx480 + 4 rx 580 ) That's pretty good. Ethash is a memory hard algorithm, so the memory utilization is what's important. You can check the memory controller load in GPU-Z. It should be at 100%. |
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Hello everyone, so i just picked up a 11256-31-21G to try it out and every time i try to do a simple memory strap windows gives error 43 after restart. i can OC the card to about 25.600 Mh/s @ around 83 watts (GPU). any suggestions?  error 43: Windows has stopped this device because it has reported an error Driver version: 22.19.171.257 Update 7/16/2017 well as the name implies noob here. I got the error 43 to go away, the secret was the atikmdag patch to make the error go away but then i played around with different drivers. see results for my experience. Failed Driver 16.9.1 - couldnt see sensors such as temperature Driver 16.10.1 - same results Success - YAY Driver 17.7.1 - max supported at time of writing on the atikmdag website (saw all my sensors) and worked on my RX-580 Process Installed Driver 17.7.1 restart Ran atikmdag patch restart modified memory timings using UberMix v3.1 restart Results Default settins (Afterburner) Core Voltage 0 Power Limit 0 Temp 85 Core Clock 1206 Memory Clock 1750 ETH only using claymoore dual mining: avg 25.045 ish Watts (CPU only, CPUz): 78.6 ish Lower the core clock to 1150 MHz and increase the memory clock to 1950 or 2000 MHz with a -96 mV undervolt in Afterburner. That should get you to 28-29 MH/s @ ~100W GPU only dual mining. Use HWinfo to check for memory errors and if none, you could try increasing the memory clock by 50 MHz. |
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If you are using an external program to set the clock speeds, confirm what clock speeds the cards are running at when mining in Afterburner or HWinfo. I've had an issue where the clock speeds set in Claymore or Afterburner don't apply and the cards use the default clocks, which are too high for mining. Also try uninstalling the driver in safe mode using DDU and reinstalling.
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OK guys, I've been following this thread and I realized I could really use some ADVICE!
I'm pretty new to the mining scene, meaning that I just got into it. I started ordering my first GPU's about 3 weeks ago when ETH was around $350 but since then things have really changed...
Right now I'm mining with 5 nvidia GPUs 2x 1070, 2x1060 6gb and 1x 1060 3gb. I didn't overpay for these cards, actually I got a pretty good deal on them. Currently I'm mining ETH with ~130MH/s but after reading this topic it's clear to me that maybe I should switch, although it's not clear to me to what and why.... I check whattomine.com regularly but ETH is almost among the most profitable coins to mine, and even if it's not, the others are maybe about 5% more profitable.
Anyway, the thing is that I still have some GPU's that I pre-ordered (at a normal price of $320-$350) and I'm still waiting for them ( 5x RX580 8Gb) but after reading this thread I'm starting to have my doubts and thinking about cancelling these orders...
The most important thing to me right now (since I just got into the game) would be to ROI my GPU's as soon as possible. Ideally I should cancel my order for the 5 RX580's that I pre-ordered and should arrive in the next 2-3 weeks, and wait 'til august to see what happens to bitcoin and to the whole crypto market. However this also means another 3-4 weeks of waiting if I decide to re-place those orders again in august. On the other hand I see people here not recommending to buy AMD GPU's at all, since ETH mining will not be profitable very soon...
(By the way, returning those orders is NOT an options since they were ordered internationally and would imply a lot of costs)
So right now my mind is racing and I'm full of doubts if I should invest in another rig with RX580 or maybe in something else. I do have a limited buget for another rig, around $2000
Cancel the order and use the money to buy ETH directly during the dip. Ideally look to get in closer to $100 or even a bit less if it falls some more before you get your funds from your preorder refunded. Buying cards now to mine ETH in the hopes it returns to $300+ is foolish, not only as you are hoping for the same gain that simply buying the coins outright would provide, but since difficulty is so much higher now than during the initial run-up you will mine less coins to boot. A $2000 investment in ETH at $100 each would 20 coins. Mining with a $2000 rig would take over 400 days to obtain those same 20 coins. Even buying at $150 you would get close to 14 coins, which would take 280 days to mine. Keep in mind these figures assume difficulty does not rise which is foolish and the actual timeframes would probably be closer to double in reality. No one knows how the BTC BIP 148 controversy will play out. IMO, now is not the time to be buying or selling coins until that has played out. ETH was trading at less than $50 just three months ago and there is no reason it couldn't go back to that level, especially since no one knows how the planned forks will play out. If you think you can catch a falling knife, then go ahead and invest directly in ETH. The difference is by investing directly you are risking your investment loses value and you are left holding the bag. A mining rig is and always has been a hedge, as it has a value other than mining and can always be used to create value by mining other coins. |
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No one will have a better picture of where the market and mining profitability is going until after the BTC Bip 148 controversy plays out over the next month. Until then, things are going to be very volatile and tend to get worse before they can get better. Now is not the time to be expanding as ROI times will continue to increase. If you already have a rig, now is the time to accumulate coins until the market recovers.
The ETH dev meeting on Friday confirmed they have no plans to adjust the difficulty bomb and block times before the Metropolis POW/POS hybrid release due sometime before November. This means ETH will become unprofitable to mine for most by the end of August as the difficulty re-targets exponentially due to the ICE AGE and block times get longer. It may also become unprofitable to mine sooner if the price keeps dropping.
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I'm at 9 cents per kwh so I'm not turning mine off any time soon
ETH ice age 30 seconds coming and you may say i dont mine eth see that is the problem, eth profitability drops all other coins drop, maybe you will turn off sooner than you think, yes your 9 cents is saving you at moment hehe The ICE AGE has been going on since it was introduced in September of last year. As explained at the last ETH developer meeting, block times will be 22 seconds at the end of July, 27 seconds by the end of August and 35 seconds by the end of September. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQg_lHEKl4&feature=youtu.be&t=2956https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/guides/what-is-the-ethereum-ice-age/By the end of August, ETH will be unprofitable for most people to mine and even sooner if the price continues to drop. By then the BTC 148 controversy should have played out and miners will have a better indication where the market is headed. Not only that they will lower block reward to 2.5 eth or 3eth per block, thats "50%" decrease I didnt know that. Anyway Ethereum mining will totally stop with the PoS transition in a few months, so that will not change a lot of things I think. Miners should not wait too much to sell their rigs if they want to not end up having useless AMD GPUs just good to mine Ethereum.
The discussion at the latest dev meeting was reducing the mining reward to around 3 ETH at the same time they fix the difficulty bomb with the Metropolis hard fork release due before November 6th of this year. The reasoning for the reward reduction is it will keep the the rewards per second roughly the same as they are now once the difficulty and block times are scaled back in the Metropolis release. ETH will NOT be switching to POS at that time. They will introduce a hybrid POW/POS model first and depending on how that goes, the switch to POS will be in a second hard fork release sometime next year. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQg_lHEKl4&t=2520s |
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I'm at 9 cents per kwh so I'm not turning mine off any time soon
ETH ice age 30 seconds coming and you may say i dont mine eth see that is the problem, eth profitability drops all other coins drop, maybe you will turn off sooner than you think, yes your 9 cents is saving you at moment hehe The ICE AGE has been going on since it was introduced in September of last year. As explained at the last ETH developer meeting, block times will be 22 seconds at the end of July, 27 seconds by the end of August and 35 seconds by the end of September. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQg_lHEKl4&feature=youtu.be&t=2956https://www.cryptocompare.com/coins/guides/what-is-the-ethereum-ice-age/By the end of August, ETH will be unprofitable for most people to mine and even sooner if the price continues to drop. By then the BTC 148 controversy should have played out and miners will have a better indication where the market is headed. |
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Miners have no control over the market retraction due to the BTC Bip 148 controversy. They do have control over if they sell their hardware INVESTMENTS and at what price it makes sense for them to sell. If the market doesn't recover from the Bip 148 controversy, within then next few months I would expect to see GPU availability return and therefore used card prices would stabilize to less than what new cards could be bought for, instead of the premium they are selling for now due to the shortage. Retailers have raised prices 40% over the last month for the most popular mining cards due to the shortage and as we learned during the last gpu run-up, prices will be slow to come back down.
Probably tomorrow if the price keeps dropping.
I have a bet with a friend that rx580s will be <$100 by 9/1/17.
To the earliest post i dont think that btc upgrade (or possible split) is causing the whole market to collapse, IMO that doesn't make sense, because other coins should rise for safer bet, i think that whole crptosphere was in big bubble that just burst. And I agree there will be so many used rx500/rx400 by that time, that price could get to 50$ Anybody that been mining for more than three months knows that Alt coin prices are closely tied to BTC. Crypto investments are about investor confidence and if BTC as the market leader has a loss in investor confidence, that is going to drag all other coins with it, which is what is happening now. Altcoins are also traded in BTC, so that has a direct impact on their price. The other part is the parabaolic move in most altcoins over the last months, which has no real basis other than the move in BTC, so a retraction is completely normal and expected. |
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Miners have no control over the market retraction due to the BTC Bip 148 controversy. They do have control over if they sell their hardware INVESTMENTS and at what price it makes sense for them to sell. If the market doesn't recover from the Bip 148 controversy, within then next few months I would expect to see GPU availability return and therefore used card prices would stabilize to less than what new cards could be bought for, instead of the premium they are selling for now due to the shortage. Retailers have raised prices 40% over the last month for the most popular mining cards due to the shortage and as we learned during the last gpu run-up, prices will be slow to come back down.
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Profitability at 29 mh/s eth is now at $0.80 per card, per day, for most countries, I wonder if the profitability will crash to negative this time hehe, soon eth will have a 30 seconds block time, that will probably take profitability to $0.10 per card, per day, soon the greatest GPU depression will start hehe
That's still a ROI of 10 months for cards bought at $250, which is about what can normally be expected. Profitability going forward for the next couple of months is going to depend on if the market can recover from the BTC BIP 148 fork controversy. The latest ETH dev meeting on Friday confirmed they have no plans to address the the increase in block times and difficulty due to the programmed ICE AGE before the Metropolis release later this year and are also planning to REDUCE the block rewards before then as well. This means at the current price, ETH will no longer be profitable to mine for most people by the end of August. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQg_lHEKl4&t=2520s |
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Depending on the GPU for a 1060/1070, RX 570/580, between 0.06 - 0.08 ETH per WEEK of 24/7 mining. That amount will also decrease every week as the ICE AGE difficulty and block time increase takes a hold.
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Buying today I would definitely choose 1070's and mine ethereum. You can't look at the return on investment because crypto currencies are so volatile. If ethereum goes back to $400 everyone will be rushing out to by gpu's. This is no different than the stock market in terms of investing. Time mining coins is more important than trying to time when to buy gpu's and mining only currently profitable coins.
I would also save money on the CPU. Not really worth it in my opinion but do what feels right.
No one knows how the BTC Bip148 fork will play out. If it creates a situation where people with coins on exchanges lose coins due to the fork, it could very well end badly and take a LONG time for investors to recover the loss in confidence. The latest ETH dev meeting yesterday confirmed they have no plans to address the the increase in block times and difficulty due to the programmed ICE AGE before the Metropolis release later this year and are also planning to REDUCE the block rewards before then as well. This means at the current price, ETH will no longer be profitable to mine for most people by the end of August. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRQg_lHEKl4&t=2520s |
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It's a tough time to be building a rig, with overpriced GPU's and lack of availability ATM. The BTC Bip148 controversy has caused a market retraction that has dragged all other coins with it. I think it would make more sense to hold off until that has been straightened out. Also the Vega release may improve GPU availability.
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Between the ETH epoch issue and 40% price increase over the last month, AMD is shooting themselves in the foot. Three RX 570/580's would run circles around a 1080 Ti in ZEC or just about anything else. At >$230 each it was worth it to go with AMD. At $280+ it no longer makes sense.
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ASRock H81 PRO BTC R2.0 - $80
Why do folks insist on recommending a board that has been OUT OF PRODUCTION AND IN VERY SHORT SUPPLY (when you can find them at ALL?) for 2+ years now? For reference, Intel stopped making the chipset that board uses ballpark *4* years back. Says who, you? The board is available and has been all week, which is why I recommended it as a cheap motherboard specifically made for mining with 6 cards. Do you have a better suggestion for a board in that price range that supports 6 cards and is available? The board is available WHERE? In what quantity? Used, or refurb, or VERY LIMITED left over new stock from when they WERE still being made? I have seen a LOT of links to that board for sale - only to turn up with "out of stock" notices when I got curious and checked them, or other folks check them and state "out of stock now". It seems to be a good board for riser rigs *WHEN* you can get them, but it's not a good board to recommend when it hasn't been MADE for years, unless you're also going to recommend alternatives that ARE current production and have been more reliably available over the past year. ASRock has put out some more recent "mining" targeted boards, but I don't pay much attention to them as I don't build riser rigs and couldn't care less how many PCI-E 1x slots a board has. You are clueless or a troll. As I said in my response, the board has been and still is available on Newegg NEW for $80. If you even bothered to click the link before posting your unhelpful nonsense you would see that. The H81 BTC R2.0 was and still is the newest mining motherboard from Asrock that was update from the original R1.0. Only within the last week did Asrock release the new H110 Pro BTC+ with 13 PCI-E slots. The other mining boards are also available on Newegg including the Biostar TB85 and TB250. BIOSTAR TB85 - $85 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138436BIOSTAR TB250-BTC - $95 https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138449 |
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Newegg and other retailers like Microcenter in the US have jacked up their GPU prices by 40% e.g. this Powercolor Red Dragon RX 570 4GB that I bought for $190 is now listed by Newegg for $270. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131717&ignorebbr=1This will curb purchases for reselling, but just like the last GPU run-up in 2014, don't expect prices to come down anytime soon. Especially since GPU mining is more profitable now that it has been historically, including 6 months ago. Everybody is doing that, blame chinese manufactures, dont think amd is getting a dime on these deals. Boycott is what all of you should do, if you dont then they will keep doing it till you trolls learn the hard way. Stating facts is not trolling. The ETH difficulty rise has more to do with the ICE AGE that was PROGRAMMED to increase the difficulty exponentially as the the switch to POS grew closer. Now that the date to POS has been pushed forward, there is a debate what they should do to address it as it is affecting the network transactions. The ETH Dev meeting tomorrow should address that. The market is retracting in preparation for the BTC BIP 148 UASF, SegWit2X, SegWit controversy, which is dragging all other coins with it. Now is not the time to be buying or selling coins until that has been straightened out. If you already have a rig, now is EXACTLY the time you should be accumulating coins with little risk until the market recovers. https://www.deepdotweb.com/2017/07/12/bitcoin-price-analysis-12-july-2017 |
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