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1781  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price- If Tether (USDT) go down, will it be good for Bitcoin? on: December 16, 2019, 08:02:39 PM
If Tether (USDT) go down, will it be good for Bitcoin?

It should be good. So far people day trade. If there would be no stable coins then they would more hold then day trade.

people wouldn't stop trading. they would just hedge using regular fiat on exchanges instead. that's what everyone did before. they just used exchanges like mt gox, bitstamp, and btc-e instead of all the tether-backed exchanges (like binance) that exploded in popularity years later.

the genie is out of the bottle. if tether goes down, stablecoins aren't going away.
1782  Economy / Speculation / Re: Aren't we headed towards getting a 10k (or maybe higher) shot again? on: December 16, 2019, 07:47:54 PM
looks like we're probably headed to $6k (at least) first......

I bet a lot of the demand in the Bitcoin spot market these days is from individuals with some extra knowledge of what's going down in the traditional banking/financial world. It definitely feels like we're at the Bear Stearns phase of this coming meltdown, like someone is quietly getting bailed out of bankruptcy. The Lehman phase can't be far off.

the market doesn't believe that at all. look at the stock markets---they keep making new highs. the SPX and NASDAQ literally both just made a new ATH today. the market is exuberant, which is a very different context than when bear stearns was acquired. at that time, the market had already topped, made a lower high, and sold off.

everybody is chomping at the bit trying to predict the next recession and financial crisis. too soon IMO.
1783  Economy / Economics / Re: Greeks face heavy fines if they don't spend 30% of their income electronically on: December 16, 2019, 07:31:03 PM
I wonder how forcing them to spend 30% of their income electronically will avoid tax evasion when they can also fake their real income in the first place.

i assume they are addressing income tax fraud in other ways. if they improved income tax reporting and deterred cash payments of wages, then mandatory electronic payments would address VAT/sales tax fraud on the consumer side. it looks like that's what they are targeting with this measure. studies estimate that 3.5% of greek GDP is lost to VAT fraud. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Greece#Extent_of_Greek_tax_evasion_and_corruption
1784  Economy / Economics / Re: Greeks face heavy fines if they don't spend 30% of their income electronically on: December 16, 2019, 10:18:32 AM
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Greece also has one of the lowest internet usage rates in the EU at 72 per cent. This suggests that some in the country could struggle to meet the 30 per cent target.
Gotta love that, the government forcing people who don't use the internet to spend their money electronically, which usually includes spending it on the internet.  This reminds me of China's push to go cashless, which would put their elderly population in something of a bind.

apparently cash is still the primary means of payment for greek consumers. part of the reason for that is that wages are still heavily paid in cash. so a 30% requirement is pretty messed up. Undecided

for the last few years, the greek government has been incentivizing electronic payments by offering income tax deductions. those aged 70+ don't need to use electronic payments to get the deduction so presumably there is a similar exemption here.
1785  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin Scalability on: December 15, 2019, 10:25:05 PM
Can please someboy write me all methods which are considered as Bitcoin scalability solutions ? when I try to google it everything what I found is:
- Hard Fork - change block size
- Lightning Network
- Sharding

Is there any other methods which might solve the bitcoin scalability problem ?

increasing block size doesn't improve scalability. it just linearly increases transaction throughput while also linearly increasing bandwidth, latency, and storage costs.

like the lightning network, sidechains/drivechains intend to scale the bitcoin network by sending transactions off-chain onto separate protocols which interact with bitcoin.

physical bearer instruments are another possible solution for scalability. "bitcoin sticks" can be passed around like cash, removing the need for on-chain transactions at all.
1786  Bitcoin / Wallet software / Re: Some thoughts about wallets. Random thoughts from Dave. on: December 15, 2019, 10:09:58 PM
But, in a hot phone wallet does it matter? If you have more then spending amounts in your phone isn't this all kind of moot? Because...wait for it....phones & PCs are not that secure by themselves at the end of the day....

no, it doesn't really matter. mobile apps and custodial wallets are both high risk. it's always prudent to limit risk exposure either way. tbh i just avoid both. brick-and-mortar spending usually calls for buying gift cards, so i just buy those at home and keep all my private keys offline.
1787  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price- If Tether (USDT) go down, will it be good for Bitcoin? on: December 15, 2019, 07:00:16 PM
However, if tether breaks and it turns out to be not backed up by USD
How would it break?  And isn't it always backed by USD?  I can't say I completely understand how the backing works, unless it's like how Libra is supposed to be, but it should always be pegged to the dollar.  And if that's true, then I'm not even sure how it can go down in value unless the dollar does.

earlier this year, outstanding tethers were only 74% backed by fiat equivalents. that's because bitfinex had a shitload of money seized by law enforcement and tether issued them a loan from customer deposits.

that's what the LEO token sale was all about---making tether solvent again.

USDT fluctuates both above and below $1 for multiple reasons. for example, when there is high demand from chinese traders, it trades at a premium. when there is high supply from tether FUD, it trades at a discount. but since it always returns to $1 we can assume arbitrage is in effect. if no one can get bank wires out of tether like in early 2017, arbitrage is impossible. during those times, USDT should trade at a significant discount.
1788  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: "Cryptocurrency is inevitable" says Indian Parliament member Dr. Swami on: December 15, 2019, 06:46:58 PM
Indian Parliament member Dr. Subramanian Swamy has shared his view on cryptocurrency. Advocating for India to make the transition to crypto, he reportedly said, “cryptocurrency is inevitable.”

there are 790 seats in the indian parliament. having one MP on board is great, but let's keep this all in perspective. Cheesy

it was only a month ago that a draft bill imposing a full crypto ban (with 10 year prison sentences!) was dropped from the legislative session. https://cointelegraph.com/news/indian-parliament-will-not-consider-total-crypto-ban-in-winter-session
1789  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Can Bitcoin save U.S. from its rising national debt? on: December 15, 2019, 06:36:50 PM
lowering the national debt was one of donald trump's campaign promises. politicians....

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According to the Treasury report in early October, summarized by Business Insider's Bob Bryan, the US federal budget deficit rose as a result of the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 signed into law by President Donald Trump on December 22, 2017 and the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2018 signed into law on March 23, 2018.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_of_the_United_States#Sustainability

Now I have a question to all of you here. Do you honestly think that only Bitcoin can fix this “ticking time bomb” in the United States?

I would like to hear out your reactions or opinion about this one guys. Happy Sunday everyone!

how would it fix the national debt? the article doesn't really say. the author just hypes up bitcoin's scarcity and suggests the price will rise. are we talking about scrapping the USD for bitcoin? backing the USD with bitcoin? the treasury holding bitcoin reserves as a hedge?
1790  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What other options do I have when it comes to digital assets ? Besides crypto on: December 15, 2019, 08:53:02 AM
Stocks, bonds, ETF these are traditional assets, what other digital assets do you guys think exists and what will be the next superstar?

I will go first:

My Kmart membership card points.

lol, i doubt anyone is interested in speculating on rewards points. i doubt they are even transferable to other people. not to mention that kmart is closing stores left and right, so of all stores, it won't be them. Tongue

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2019/11/07/kmart-sears-store-closings-96-stores-set-shutter-february-2020/2521653001/

i'll stick to cryptocurrency speculation myself. that's where the biggest returns are.
1791  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Crypto Exchange BitMex Hit With $300 Million Investor Suit on: December 15, 2019, 07:23:38 AM
Aren't they the exchange that got sued by the US Government because of them having US traders to illegally trade in their platform since they aren't allowed to do so? The last time I check is that the authorities have found out that they have an office in the US specifically located in San Francisco which they constantly denied of it's existence.

they didn't get sued by the government. the CFTC launched a probe investigating possible misconduct. they haven't officially done anything (like issuing enforcement actions, etc)

this is what bloomberg said about it:

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The probe is ongoing and the regulator’s investigations often don’t lead to allegations of misconduct.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-07-19/u-s-regulator-probing-crypto-exchange-bitmex-over-client-trades
1792  Economy / Economics / Re: Greeks face heavy fines if they don't spend 30% of their income electronically on: December 14, 2019, 10:09:50 PM
This just begs to become another use case for Bitcoin, and not because it's electronic but because it's electronic cash - it can be used to avoid taxes just like cash

not just bitcoin, but anything outside the formal euro banking system. stablecoins would work too. the key is to use a private/informal system that doesn't entail tax reporting.

i think that's why governments are so up in arms about stablecoins. not only are they an easy way to avoid cash controls, but since they are pegged to cash value, they are the most obvious replacement for cash itself.
1793  Economy / Economics / Re: ECB President: There is clearly a demand out there that we have to respond to on: December 14, 2019, 09:51:09 PM
i wonder how the retail banks feel about all this. they are the middlemen being cut out in this scenario. Cheesy

Are they though? I think it's more of Visa/Mastercard being cut out rather than banks, banks can easily integrate with stablecoins and act as custodians and provide the same options for loans and deposits as they do with fiat.

the issue isn't savings and loans. it's remittance:

stablecoins are increasingly being used for cross-border remittance and avoidance of capital controls:

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“Tether has truly good liquidity in China,” a Chinese investor speaking on the condition of anonymity told CoinDesk. “One of the primary use-cases is a fiat on- and off-ramp for crypto trading. I did also see some people using tether for legit business use-cases like cross-border trading.”

On the other hand, two different Asian OTC traders, who requested anonymity to protect their businesses, told CoinDesk a significant portion of their traction comes from Chinese clients using USDT to move assets beyond their homeland’s strict capital controls.

“This has always been a significant part of OTC flows in crypto,” one Hong Kong-based trader said. For example, his desk conducted $45 million worth of trades on Aug. 6, with UDST representing more than half the volume.

using stablecoins to transfer funds across borders means there is no need for bank wires or third party remittance services. it cuts banks out of the process entirely. cash and blockchains; no banks.

in the future, if this stablecoin liquidity continues to grow and grow, they could also experience adoption as a medium of exchange because of their wide acceptance, rather than just a remittance vehicle.

that makes stablecoins doubly a threat for retail banks. visa and mastercard are not the only ones profiting from debit/credit card transactions. every time a consumer swipes their visa card, their bank is charging interchange fees to the merchant. this is extremely lucrative for banks.
1794  Economy / Exchanges / Re: where do you other us citizen trade at on: December 14, 2019, 10:24:22 AM
I'm beginning to notice that usa citizen don't have options as a trader. Kraken is deeply illiquid from what I saw on the charts today, and coinbase has insurmountable fees. We've been banned from everything and kicked off everything. Krakens fees are too high also unless you are churning a several thousand dollar position a dozen times a day you can get a volume discount (which would work for me) but its pointless without the liquidity.

I honestly don't know where people trade at anymore, or how a us citizen even could effectively trade in this market with all the options we've had taken from us.

if you combined kraken's USD and EUR markets, they would be competitive with coinbase in terms of volume and liquidity. the USD market is pretty thin on its own. bitstamp's fees are the same as coinbase pro so that's out the window, and gemini's liquidity is super thin.

so if you need deeper liquidity but can't reach coinbase pro's higher volume fee tiers, i would use a VPN and trade on bitmex, binance (BTC/USDT), or bitfinex.
1795  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Official announcement on the shutdown of Bottle Pay on: December 14, 2019, 09:47:33 AM
Once again, regulatory rules force a payment service to close. This time Bottle Pay and the reason is "5AMLD EU regulation."

As we are a UK based custodial bitcoin wallet provider, we will have to comply with the 5AMLD EU regulation coming into effect on 10th January 2020.

the one good thing about AMLD5 and FINCEN's may guidance is they will deter people from using hosted (custodial) wallets. hosted wallets will either shut down (like bottle pay is) or their customer bases will disappear as people realize KYC isn't required for software/hardware wallets.

the bad thing is that mixers are now in the crosshairs of EU and USA regulators. Undecided
1796  Economy / Economics / Re: Greeks face heavy fines if they don't spend 30% of their income electronically on: December 14, 2019, 09:20:32 AM
There is a question mark as to whether these measures are imposed with the intent to cut tax evasion, or whether they are anti cash policies utilized in an effort to further a cashless society paradigm.

two birds with one stone.

the ultimate rationale behind a completely digital and cashless system is control. easy surveillance, reining in tax evasion by forcing payments onto the books, preventing capital flight...... it's a dream come true for governments. the fact that cashless payments are so convenient just plays into their hands.

There's a second relevent angle where tax cuts are utilized in an effort to bolster tax revenues, which is counter intuitive in regard to how many view tax policies. Some believe tax cuts can only result in decreased tax revenues, which is not necessarily the case due to it having the potential to cut tax evasion

we'll see if it actually works. greeks may just find other ways to dodge their tax burdens. at some point, they'll just start avoiding the euro/banking system entirely if cash restrictions become too harsh.
1797  Economy / Economics / Re: ECB President: There is clearly a demand out there that we have to respond to on: December 14, 2019, 09:03:24 AM
Watch it ----> https://youtu.be/chHnk6lSc5A

In a new interview with the new European Central Bank President Christine Lagarde publicly speaking about the demand for stablecoins.

My personal conviction is that given the developments we are seeing, not so much in the bitcoin segment, but in the stablecoins projects … we had better be ahead of the curve if that happens. Because there is clearly a demand out there that we have to respond to.

While answering a reporter's question, Mrs. Lagarde says the European Central Bank "only knows" one currency that is currently stable.
As for her talk about bitcoin, she said: Bitcoin is not necessary to ask for permission.
What do you think of these words?

facebook saw the writing on the wall, that stablecoins have great untapped value for cross-border remittance. they did their research; the demand for libra is there. the explosion in tether usage in hong kong, mainland china, and russia ties into this too.

it seems like this stablecoin demand is forcing the ECB to discuss a "digital euro" system. this could (as lagarde points out) reduce consumer costs, "cut out the middleman", achieve financial inclusivity at low cost, and so on. this would in turn allow a digital euro to compete with private stablecoins in the remittance market---and eventually in all markets, because stablecoins might become common as mediums of exchange.

i wonder how the retail banks feel about all this. they are the middlemen being cut out in this scenario. Cheesy
1798  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price- If Tether (USDT) go down, will it be good for Bitcoin? on: December 14, 2019, 08:34:46 AM
Of course it will be good short term as all the usdt will flee and guess where its going to go?

there are 2 scenarios.

1. there's regulatory actions, bank account freezes/seizures, insolvency---but tether and bitfinex remain operational and able to meet day-to-day liquidity requirements

2. the FBI and USAO come after tether and bitfinex---domains and servers seized, personnel arrested, banks continuing to work with them become criminal accessories, etc

scenario #1 is what we've already seen for years. it's the classic "tether FUD". people panic buy bitcoin/altcoins to get out of tether, which drives market prices upwards.

we've never seen scenario #2. i reckon if that happened, all USDT markets would quickly fall to $0 and it would have severely negative effects on the entire crypto market. not only would bitfinex and tether customers be crushed, but so would USDT holders at binance, bittrex, poloniex, okex, and other major exchanges, OTC traders......it would be ugly. a lot of capital would go up in smoke. it would be a much bigger, uglier version of the mt gox collapse.
1799  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [List] Gift cards providers on: December 14, 2019, 01:41:09 AM
i've been using gyft since 2013 and egifter since 2017. those are my go-to gift card malls. i've never experienced a single problem with either site. egifter also provides discounts depending on payment method---for example, it's 2.5% off uber eats cards when you pay with crypto.

i guess this is what i get for speaking so highly of egifter......

for the first time, they screwed up delivering a gift card tonight. the payment confirmed on the blockchain, the order shows as completed, but the gift card didn't show up in my wallet. let's see how many days it takes them to fix this. this shit always seems to happen to me on friday nights. Angry

come to think of it, bitpay payments have become slightly wonky on egifter lately. it used to be like clockwork---one confirmation and the gift card would appear in my wallet. for the past month or so, there's usually been an unpredictable delay. after block confirmation, sometimes it comes after 1 minute, sometimes after 8 minutes, etc. but it was never much bother before. this is the first time a gift card never showed up at all.
1800  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Crypto Exchange BitMex Hit With $300 Million Investor Suit on: December 13, 2019, 11:47:19 PM
maintaining a physical presence in california seems like such a liability. i just don't understand why bitmex does it. not only are they operating from the USA (re the CFTC, FINCEN, etc) but apparently they are opening themselves up to personal jurisdiction in california state courts.

i still reckon they might fight it on jurisdictional grounds. there may be a distinction between bitmex's "established place of business" and whatever satellite office they have in california.

Maybe he feels he's been literally scammed by Arthur Hayes, but or just fishing to see how much he can wrangle out of him.

that's what it is---a fishing expedition. there's no way in hell he's walking away with $300 million, but the bigger the stated damages, the bigger the payout he'll get when the case settles. that's the rationale, anyway.
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