I think Moldovians living in Russia will disagree with you. In this video the woman gives a very passionate speech during the founding meeting of the commentate of the public representatives of Moldovans living in Russia, asking that Russia does not send Moldovans out as they have nowhere to go intheir own country. She also mentions Voronin, saying that they voted for him before, and now it turns out he's selling the country: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuaRTw8f_vs&list=PLFo85AKj-7T1y67qRpkc3NRbJ9tGE8UZv&index=41More here: http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/09/11/why-usnatonwo-can-never-defeat-russia/Moldavians living in Russia and the Social-Democratic Party of Moldova are trying to organize 200 polling stations so citizens of Moldova abroad could vote in the November 30 parliamentary elections. The power in the country has been usurped by 3 “democratic” pro-western parties, aided by the corruption of the largest party of Moldova, the Communists and its leader, Vladimir Voronin. People had been supporting Communists because they thought they were pro-Russian, but communists proved that they were just as sold-out (however bizarre it sounds) as the Moldovan ruling pro-western neo-liberal democrats.
So, the present government is refusing the citizens their birth right: 750k-1mln of Moldovan citizens of voting age, who work in Russia, have no possibility of voting in the upcoming election!
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Gagauzia is sure to secede. The Gagauzia autonomy had a referendum in February 2014 in which 97% of citizens voted to join Customs Union and secede from Moldova, unless Moldova also joins Customs Union. Pridnestrovie has been knocking on Russia’s door for a very long while. Its referendum of 2006 also had similar results: about 97% of people voted for re-unification with Russia. Also about the use of Russian language by Gagauz, that you made fun of earlier. The fact that various ethnic groups in Moldova prefer to use Russian as common language (even though Russians as an ethnic group there is a minoruty), instead of Romanian, speaks for itself. I think I will rename this thread to Moldova. Such a topic will be needed soon. |
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About Crimean referendum and a parallel to Scotland: USA says Crimean referendum is invalid because the whole of Ukraine didn't get to vote on the matter of secession of Crimea from Ukraine. Now, is the whole of the UK going to vote in the referendum on the matter of secession of Scotland from the UK? No. http://www.scotreferendum.com/questions/who-can-vote-in-the-referendum/I rest my case. |
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Hmm... I see Pagan is diversifying into other threads...
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No Russian national asset has been stolen that I know of. What are you talking about? Russia sells natural gas to the West, but that isn't stolen, and Russians are happy to get the cash.
You are mixing up the nation as such, and the 0.001% that for example bought the gas fields during the 90s for something like $1 per square kilometer. That was a nation-wide defrauding, not just in oil and gas, but in every branch of industry in Russia. Moreover, large scale tax avoidance is also widespread (Yukos case and Khodorkovskij). So that 0.001% of "Russians" (who are mostly Jewish) are happy to get the cash. Russians are getting just scraps. Putin started doing something about it, making more of the natural resource money flowing into the state coffers, which, among other things, made him popular in Russia and not popular in the West (remember the recent EU ruling where Russia as a state is supposed to return 50 billion € that were seized from Yukos for tax fraud back to the handful of the fraudsters and the thieves.) And, as Balthazar mentioned, you don't need to go far for real freedom limitations. Just look at Latvia, where you have a class of citizens, who are called non-citizens (287.000 of them, dubbed as "ne-gry", "niggers"). They live and work there, amny were born there, but have no access to any "democratic" mechanisms, no voting rights, etc. http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CD%E5%E3%F0%E0%E6%E4%E0%ED%E5_%28%CB%E0%F2%E2%E8%FF%29Can you live a normal life, a happy life, when you can't decide your children's education, how many hours you work, what doctor you'll see if you're ill? A happy life is having choices.
Or, at least the illusion of having choices. And example of Norway and doctors. You cannot go to a specialist before you visit and pay to a local doctor and survive several months of waiting in lines. You have a choice of going to a specialist directly with less waiting, but then you have to pay the 50x price. And even then not all specialists are allowed to accept you like that, so the particular doctor you might wish to visit quickly is unreachable, because the seeming choice is of options is an illusion and you anyway have to endure the system. By the way, if people are happy to have a benevolent dictator for a ruler, and a functioning society and economy (and judging by conversations with a few Belorussians that I had, they do), who are we to impose on them a form of government that will destroy their country, but will give them the illusion of freedom? How are we to do that? With democratic bombings and befreeing scorched earth as NATO usually does? |
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That's the one without the passwords. My account is in the list, but it would be interesting to see if it was really compromised, or if the list is just a net-scrub of publicly-available email addresses... Anyway, 2-factor is the thing.  You can ask tvskit( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=163342) what the password was in database for your email. (He deleted passwords that hackers do not use this database) I did so. He gave me a two letters from the start and end of the password - enough for me to see that it's my old password that I changed about 3 years ago (+-1 year). So the list seems to be valid, but dated. That password wasn't used anywhere else, so it definitely came from Google. |
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Crimes of Ukrainian Aidar battalion confirmed in Amnesty Int’l report - Russia http://rt.com/news/186576-ukraine-battalion-war-crimes/An Amnesty International report has confirmed that war crimes including abductions, executions and extortion were committed by the Ukrainian Aidar battalion in Lugansk region, eastern Ukraine, an official from Russia’s Foreign Ministry says.
“The report confirms large-scale crimes, including war [crimes] made routinely and under the aegis of Ukrainian law enforcement agencies, by the leaders and members of the Aidar battalion,” said Konstantin Dolgov, the Foreign Ministry’s commissioner for human rights.
“Amnesty International points only to some of these [crimes] – abductions, unlawful detention, ill-treatment, theft, extortion, including demanding ransom for abducted Ukrainians, and simple robbery from the civilian population,” Dolgov said. Well, I guess Russia will seen be publishing the third volume of the White Book: http://www.mid.ru/bdomp/ns-dgpch.nsf/03c344d01162d351442579510044415b/38fa8597760acc2144257ccf002beeb8!OpenDocument |
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Democracy is only one of the forms of governing, and in its current form is a pretty recent invention.
Which form you mean?  Any modern liberal democracy it's still a feudal regime under liberal guise. Feudal democracy was invented 8 centuries ago, look at Republic of Novgorod. I meant the indirect "let's pretend you have a choice" variety. Choose between the "2+2" party and the "2*2" party. In Novgorod republic you had a least some influence on the choices taken, provided your the right kind of man. |
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Democracy is only one of the forms of governing, and in its current form is a pretty recent invention. Belarus is not democratic. Agreed. But it does not make it malfunctioning for that.
I have several friends in Lithuania, who moved closer to their relatives into Belarus, simply because living standards and housing is better there, and there is work to be had - the factories and agriculture are working, unlike in the Baltic states.
For those, who read Terry Prattchett, I invite you to think about the ruler of Ankh-Morpork, Lord Vetinary. One man, one vote; Vetinary is the man, so he has the vote. And Ankh-Morpork works as a fine-tuned clockwork.
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Some humour relief from real life (I haven't verified it...): News from People's Republic of Colorado:
The governor of the State of Colorado, John Wright Hickenlooper, wrote and open letter the the US President Barak Obama. John Hickenlooper asks the President to influence the Kiev authorities so that remove from circulation in MSM and Internet the term of "colorados". This term is used by the proponents of Kiev regime to denote their opponents. In the governor's opinion, it is necessary to instructs Ukrainian SBU so that they make this term disappear from the circulation. According to the governor there are some unforeseen problems with the population of the State of Colorado. The thing is that about 60% of the population think that it is their compatriots that are successfully fighting with some junta in Africa. The citizens of Colorado are especially happy about the reports of the downed Soviet planes that belong to the junta. 25% of the male population of the state came to the conscription stations to sign up as volunteers into the brigades of "SEPARATIST" so as to help their compatriots. The organisation of the veterans of the state created 2 squads of volunteers and plan to send them the the South-East of the State so as to defend the State from the fascist junta with dictator Poroshenko at the helm. Вести из Колорадской Народной Республики:
Губернатор штата Колорадо Джон Хикенлупер (John Wright Hickenlooper) написал открытое письмо президенту США Бараку Обаме. Джон Хикенлупер просит президента повлиять на киевские власти с целью исключения из оборота в средствах массовой информации и сети интернет оборота "колорад". Данным словом сторонники киевского режима называют своих противников. По мнению губернатора, необходимо дать указание СБУ Украины изъять данный оборот из употребления. По словам губернатора, возникли непредвиденные проблемы с населением штата Колорадо. Дело в том, что 60% населения штата считают, что это их земляки успешно воюют с какой-то хунтой в Африке, особенно жителей штата радуют сообщения о сбитых советских самолетах хунты. 25% мужского населения штата пришло на вербовочные пункты с целью записаться добровольцем в отряды "SEPARATIST", для поддержки своих земляков. Ветеранской организацией штата было создано 2 отряда самообороны и отряды собираются отправляться на Юго-Восток штата, для защиты
жителей штата от фашистов хунты во главе с диктатором Porosenkо."
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Obama claims ‘enough authority’ to act against Islamic State http://rt.com/usa/186524-obama-authority-islamic-state/President Obama told Congressional leaders that he has enough authority and doesn’t need their authorization to take action against the Islamic State, ahead of a speech on 9/11 eve that may pave way for further US military action in Iraq and even Syria. So, Police State against Islamic State West may use ISIS as pretext to bomb Syrian govt forces - Russia's FM http://rt.com/news/186356-lavrov-syria-bombing-west/If the West bombs Islamic State militants in Syria without consulting Damascus, the anti-ISIS alliance may use the occasion to launch airstrikes against President Bashar Assad’s forces, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov said.
“There are reasons to suspect that air strikes on Syrian territory may target not only areas controlled by Islamic State militants, but the government troops may also be attacked on the quiet to weaken the positions of Bashar Assad’s army,” Lavrov said Tuesday. Listen also to this: Ken O'Keefe on the Syrian conflict. Hard truths. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=st05PWCypLQ
Cameron is quick: UK military plans 3 new Middle East bases to battle ISIS http://rt.com/uk/186624-bases-middle-east-isis/Three British military bases could be set up in the Persian Gulf to fight the Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS), a source in the Ministry of Defence said. The bases could be part of a larger US-led offensive to battle militants in Iraq and Syria. I think the real goal is what I have highlighted. |
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More than anything, I think, Kharkov should be the one to be returned to Russia.THe oil money could transform Kharkov. I read that it was the third biggest urban center of the USSR but if you see Kharkov now, it is very dilapidated and clearly lacking in investments. Driving from Kharkov to Belgorod in Russia, which is nearly tenth smaller in population is just like flying from Bucharest to Budapest- from Third World to First World.The refurbishing that have been given to the Russian major cities lately will transform Kharkov. I'm thinking along the lines of Yekaterinburg, Rostov na Donu or even the much smaller in population but classier Far Eastern cities like Khabarovsk & Vladivostok.
BTW Same also to Odessa. Odessa has one of the best architecture in the Russian Empire but it has gone to seed. Really rundown. It should be asked, if it was right to give these treasures to the Ukrainians and let them disintegrate under their now well-known incompetence (a common narrative throughout their history as serfs to various empires). Russia should revisit the US declaration on Crimea: that Crimean independence is illegal because there were no referendum in Ukraine. Ergo Ukraine is still part of Russia because the Russians never voted to let go of Ukraine. Ergo Odessa is still part of Russia.
Well-said. Completely agree on Odessa. When I visited it a couple of years ago, after almost 20 years of absence from that once-beautiful city, it was with a sense of sadness. By the way. The logic of Ukraine, still being a part of Russia as Russia never voted for its separation in neither in 1917, nor in 1992, can be expanded to Finland. Lenin separated Finland from Russia personally, without consulting the nation. Interestingly, Finland chose as their national flag a derivative of the standard of the Peter's Sailing Union, so Finland still has close ties to Russia through its flag.
Polio epidemic fears as Ukraine’s vaccine stockpiles dry up http://rt.com/news/186552-ukraine-polio-epidemic-vaccines/Ukraine may face epidemics of preventable diseases like polio due to a government failure to stockpile vaccines and organize inoculation, the UN’s health body warned. The shortage is aggravated by devaluation and a planned ban on Russian drugs.
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The military crackdown took its toll on healthcare infrastructure in eastern Ukraine, where 32 hospitals are no longer fully functional, according to Nitzan, including 17 that have been damaged by shelling. Up to 70 percent of healthcare staff has fled eastern Ukraine, along with some 500,000 people who abandoned their homes due to the violence. |
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Seems crazy that in this day and age it would still be required to swear to God and not have an alternative option.
That being said, as an atheist, I'd have no problem swearing to god, since it's just another meaningless word. I could swear to god, superman, the flying spaghetti monster, or any other fictional construct my employer might ask me to.
Ditto. Moreover, such an oath would technically not be binding, as opposed if you, for example, were swearing to the Constitution. |
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That's the one without the passwords. My account is in the list, but it would be interesting to see if it was really compromised, or if the list is just a net-scrub of publicly-available email addresses... Anyway, 2-factor is the thing. |
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Jim’s Summary:
- the USDollar is under siege despite its rising exchange rate
- a Global Paradigm Shift is underway
- the Ukraine War has brought about a heightened urgency
- Europe must make a decision to preserve its economy, or to support the USD
- the European nations will work to install the Gold Standard, and thus will preserve their economies and industry and jobs
- Special Forces professional troops from Germany, France, Netherlands, and England are fighting against NATO forces in Ukraine
- easy conclusion: NATO IS DEAD
- the Fascist Axis is being exposed, coming into full view
- defense of the USD via war is becoming very well understood
- the Petro-Dollar is dying, as both the Saudis and Russia will work without the USD core in payments
- Germans are fed up with American strongarm tactics, as confrontations are occurring
- the anti-USDollar movement has gone global, as all nations pursue BRICS Associate status
- Gold, Bonds, and Banks are the extreme weak links
- the US will succeed in imposing sanctions against the majority of nations, and thus win extreme isolation
- the new axis of Russia, China, Germany is emerging which will promote the return to Gold Standard
Full Article Below: https://www.perpetualassets.com/news/2014/09/04/nato-dead-king-dollar-wrecked-a-jim-willie-exclusive/EDIT: Read further into the article: USDOLLAR WAR DEFENSE LAID BARE
During the 1990 decade, a few instances can be identified where the USDollar defense was felt with USMilitary activity. In the 1980 decade, the brief Panama War was to defend the USDollar, where their economy and banks still use the USD currency. In the early 2000 decade, examples were seen like after South Korea announced USTreasurys diversification plans. The US treated them to military exercises off their coastline. Recall SKorea is effectively an occupied nation (see USMilitary presence with 28,500 troops). In the 2000 decade, the most stark example of USDollar war defense was seen in the Iraq War. The tyrant Saddam Hussein openly boasted oil trade in Euros, and cited its advantages over a few year period. He did not expect the disadvantage of war attack, annexation, and his capture with hanging by the neck after his statue was toppled and the image of his head smacked with sandals. The Iran sanctions were founded in non-USD usage in their energy trade, the same Hussein crime. Thus Iran was painted by the dutiful Israelis as a nuclear threat. That card has been played way too often. Tehran still lacks both adequate nuclear material and missile delivery systems. No need to be factual, when propaganda is the name of the CFR game. The attack on Cyprus was not really about insolvent banks and Bank Bail-in models being arranged. The Cyprus operation was to cut off Russian usage of their banks as a window to the West for their banking system. The Cyprus operation was to cut off Russian usage of their banks in conversion of USTBonds to Gold bullion. The Cyprus operation was to cut off Gazprom at the pass, and to provide a prelude of the upcoming Ukraine War.
No mask can cover the fact that the Ukraine War is to protect the USDollar, to ensure Europe is kept within the USD Corral, to prevent Europe from sitting at the Gold Standard table. The only trouble is that the Kiev Fascist Regime is going to fall very soon, and the Kiev leaders will be exposed for their Langley roots, their Soros roots, and the Mashwodd roots (which fills most ministry posts). The Europeans will not let their nations be wrecked in order to defend the violent corrupted cancerous USDollar. They will choose the Gold Standard, promoted by Russia & China. They will choose to preserve their economies and their national livelihoods. |
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I was going to write about the army in a PS, but you beat me to it. They are guarantors of peace. You see, better "prison" than slaughterhouse. People there still remember the bloodbath unleashed on Transnistria by the (pro-)Romanian-headed clans of Moldova (not unlike in Novorossia by Ukrainians) and the threat has not gone anywhere. That army is the only thing that stops the Moldovan government from gettig inspired by kiev and resuming where they left off in the 90s when Russian peacekeepers intervened. That civil sar, just like the war in Novorosia, didn't get much attention in the Western MSM as it didn' align with US interests (unlike Georgian invasion of South Osetia)
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I haven't gone to Romania either. But the image of Romania in Norway is: a dump where all these gypsies and thieves that you see begging in the streets come from, and where towns and villages are falling into ruin. A place you shouldn't go to, because you'd get robbed faster than you can blink. So what do I know, maybe your perception of Moldova/Prednestrovjie is equally flawed as our perception of Romania here.  From the various sources that I read, the strongest pro-Romainan movement is in the capital of Moldova, while the rural areas are more of pro-Russian (note that this does not imply that they would want to join Russia), independent of the nationality. Who made Pridnestronje into a prison? By all accounts, it's a prison that has the walls built from the outside, and which had a trading agreement with Ukraine, but now with the WU-backed coup governments there, Kiev also raised the last wall. |
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Now that that's out of the way, PLEASE answer why is Russia occupying foreign nations?
What is the land occupied by russia He consistently confuses Russia with USA... You have to forgive him. 
In more interesting announcements: Lugansk People's Republic refuses to relinquish control over Lugansk/Russian border to Kiev. Igor Plotnitskij, head of LNR, had this to say: "I've already said that any attempt to turn the Misk accord against us will not pass. We signed this accord as an agreement about peaceful co-existence. It will not be allowed to isolate or strangle us. We will not give away the our borders with brotherly Russia to hostile control. But we are ready for an economic competition with Ukraine. The whole world will soon see, that without the working Donbass, Ukraine is doomed to mass poverty and degradation." http://ria.ru/world/20140909/1023377982.html |
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My first assumption that Flight MH17 was shot down from a 30 mm gun fired by a Ukrainian plane gets confirmed... Yes, that was my thought as well, when I read the report: "large number of high-energy objects". Also: "penetrated the aircraft from outside". Which side? Both sides, as the imagery of entry/exit holes located on both sides of the cockpit seem to indicate? The report manages to say a lot while revealing nothing specific. |
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And sorry , I don't get your last question.
Ever been there? Take a trip if you have time. No words can really describe Transnistria.
If Romania is a landfill then Transnistria is where our garbage is going.
The last questions: those 750.000 guest workers that will eventually get kicked out of Russia (especially once Moldova goes the EU way), will need to go somewhere, and it will be Romania. And to the second point. No, I haven't been there. That's why I find it interesting to to listen to that talk from someone who's been there and has close ties to it. As for the landfill. Yes, but whose fault is that? If they don't agree with Kishenjov/EU, then starve them, blockade them. Right? Don't listen. Don't cooperate. Don't let them live their own choice in peace. And it's a region that was doing pretty well before the civil war. PS for those who don't read the previous page of a thread  An interesting talk about Moldova and Pridnestrovje from someone having ties to the region and following the development there rather closely. The conflict there has been on a slow backburner for quite a long time, even after the Transnistrian referendum for unification with Russia (2006), and is coming to a head now that Poroshenko's coup government has disturbed the fine balance in the region, blockading the republic. LRL2. Explosion Coming! Moldova/Transnistria - Eurasian Union vs EU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3kVMpk30ac |
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