Looks very good. Lots of information there tough. So Bitshares is is a opens source platform kind of like Etherum but instead having one block chain to rule them all you have many specialized(finance,games) block chains ?
That's exactly right. Daniel Larimer, core developer, takes the economic perspective that we want separate chains as required to minimize overhead expenses. Now that's a good idea! There's no iron-clad rule saying there only has to be one blockchain. Yup, it's ancient wisdom really: Piling every proof-of-work quorum system in the world into one dataset doesn't scale.
Bitcoin and BitDNS can be used separately. Users shouldn't have to download all of both to use one or the other. BitDNS users may not want to download everything the next several unrelated networks decide to pile in either.
The networks need to have separate fates. BitDNS users might be completely liberal about adding any large data features since relatively few domain registrars are needed, while Bitcoin users might get increasingly tyrannical about limiting the size of the chain so it's easy for lots of users and small devices.
This prediction seems to reflect the current political bickering between Bitcoin core developers and Counterparty developers. In fact, Bitshares DNS is launching soon. Check out this "alpha" video with the lead developer. Bitshares DNS is being designed to prevent name squatting. Lots more info in the DNS section of Bitshares.org
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I see Sergio Lerner is being highlighted in the March newsletter as a new Invictus consultant, but I don't see him listed in the website Team section. Is he an active contributor to the project yet?
Yes! He'll be listed on the website in the next update.
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What happens to protoshares now bitshares is available? Will they become worthless coins, or still have some value?
They still have value as PTS holders will get a piece of future DACs that are created, like BitShares DNS, BitShares Music and many other that are in the pipeline being developed. BitShares is just the first of many DACs that will be created. Check out the newly released march newsletter for more info on this as well.
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I really don't think it is time to trust it yet.
Don't spread your FUD. Bitshares is clearly trustworthy.
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Nice website! BTW here are few BTS related topic, what's "the one", where all important updates will be anounced?
Good question! Going forward this important update thread will list all the most critical updates, and the official blog will (soon) provide regular important news.
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I do think the investors would rather see the money go the hire developers
Of NXT, MSC, Ethereum, Counterparty, I am pretty sure Bitshares is one of the more open ones. Just check out the bitsharestalk.org forum and the githubs for the various projects. Almost everything they do is out in the open. Even from the beginning Bitshares X was developed in the open. You can even see where all the money from the angelfund is going here and here. The main difficulty with spending these funds is hiring talent. It's extremely difficult to hire skilled developers on short notice. They have had some success with attracting talent by releasing a ton of bounties worth around $100 000 total, and even a 5% referral bounty (total of 5000$) for people who manage to recruit people to complete a bounty. But NXT, NEM, MSC, Ethereum, CounterParty, etc. are all trying to scoop up the talent in this area, so it will remain difficult. Up til now Mastercoin, NXT and Ethereum has gotten alot of the attention, but hopefully the new site and upcoming conference will help inform and attract more people to the Bitshares project as well. Daniel Larimer and his father Stan Larimer have been very vocal about minimizing expenses and creating Distributed Autonomous Companies, but these seemingly far-fetched ideas are only now beginning to show their true power. Personally I think the future is looking bright for Bitshares, they have a big community in China, and there will be a lot of new people coming into the DAC space. With their focus on profitable DACs it makes sense that Bitshares will become one of the big players.. For now there's still a ton of work to be done, and anyone with the right talent in this environment will be highly compensated for their work. http://bitshares.org/community/employment/
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We have a change list that is a mile long and will be improving the content dramatically.
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Looks very good. Lots of information there tough. So Bitshares is is a opens source platform kind of like Etherum but instead having one block chain to rule them all you have many specialized(finance,games) block chains ?
That's exactly right. Daniel Larimer, core developer, takes the economic perspective that we want separate chains as required to minimize overhead expenses. The idea is, why should I pay transaction fees sustaining a whole stock exchange if for instance I'm only interested in Bitshares Music or Bitshares Lotto? The aim is always to maximize profit and minimize expenses for the users/shareholders.
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Blockchain based DNS system solved: This. Is. Awesome.
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Interested. ..
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Good talk. My friends and family often raise these questions.
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How about Bitshares X Baritus?
They're gonna spend several hundred thousand dollars on promotion in the coming months, and with the new website being launched around later this month you'll be set right in the middle of the storm.
If you have any questions let me know. As a long-time investor in your trio of coins, I want this more for the sake of SRC/ARG/DGC than Bitshares X.
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SEE FOR YOURSELF HERE. Great work CLains, thanks for pointing this out.
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BitShares XT, the test version of Bitshares X bank and exchange, is currently in development.
Invictus generously rewards anyone able to point out potential attacks, market manipulation and even general flaws in the system. Even good suggestions for refining the rules will be rewarded.
https://bitsharestalk.org/index.php?topic=3130.0Over the past week many people have identified certain attacks that we must guard against in the initial chain. The theory behind BitShares XT works very well in a large established network, but early on in the life of a network things break down due to low market depth. A few simple attacks have come to my attention that must be resolved and I will be posting them each in their own thread. I would like to use this thread to discuss potential attacks and if an attack warrants in depth discussion I will spawn a new thread to discuss it.
I am not going to place a specific bounty price for finding attacks, lets just say that if you bring something to my attention that makes me realize something new that I will tip very generously up to hundreds of PTS.
This thread is motivated by the discovery of two attacks for which I have found solutions which will impact BitShares XTs rules:
Attack 1) The SIDS Attack (Sudden Instant Derivative Sack)
In this attack any user who is around when the blockchain is first launched can issue themselves $1 billion BitUSD as a long position with a short position of $1 billion BitUSD backed by 1 BTS. It doesn't matter what the future consensus is, the short position will be blown out in a massive way and leave billions of BitUSD laying around with no backing.
The solution to the SIDS Attack is two fold:
a) no market trading will be allowed for the first N days to allow enough people time to enter bids and asks that arrive at market consensus. b) no market trading will be allowed anytime either side of the order book has a depth below D% of the share supply.
This rule effectively states that for blockchain based trading to occur in an automated way there must be a quorum of shareholders agreeing on the price. This does not prevent private parties from transferring BitUSD or BTS to other users or arranging manual trades. It simply prevents any manipulation of the price that could result in margin calls at unrealistic prices.
The values for N and D are subject to debate, but my gut feeling is that N should be 14 days and D should be 5%
Attack 2) The SlingShot Attack (Other names welcome)
In this attack, the attacker will place a large short order close to 2x above the current ask. Under normal conditions this order would never be filled. Then the attacker starts buying to push the price up until he triggers a short squeeze. The short squeeze starts a chain reaction that pushes the price clear up into the attackers short position. Then the price falls back to where it should and the attacker covers their position with a 50% gain. Whether this attack is profitable or not depends upon how big of a short squeeze the attacker can trigger and how little is required to kick off the squeeze.
I have been thinking long and hard about the SlingShot Attack and have concluded that the only solution is to increase margin requirements. As it exists today, if someone wants to short 1 BitUSD the most they risk is 1 BitUSD. On a traditional exchange, if you want to short something your potential losses are infinite because if you run out of margin then they can come after your savings, your house, and your future income. The SlingShot Attack is much harder if the margin requirements make the probability of a short squeeze much lower.
Lets assume a very conservative amount of margin, 10x. To perform the SlingShot attack would require pushing the price up 9x and would reduce the attackers gain from a maximum of 50% to a maximum of 5%. If you then combine this increase in margin requirements with the automatic market freeze anytime the depth fell below the required threshold and you will be unlikely to walk the book enough to trigger a short squeeze without suspending trading.
What is the impact of requiring a larger margin for short positions? People will still go short, but the amount of leverage they can apply will be reduced significantly. BitUSD will still be created and thus will still trade. Instead of the marketcap of BTS being 2x the value of the trading BitAssets it would now be at least 10x the value of the BitAssets traded. Thus increasing margin requirements should only limit the ability to go short and have little influence on the price people are willing to go short. Shorts will feel much more secure knowing that other shorts are less likely to end up in a squeeze which will balance out with the added risk of losing up to 10x the amount you shorted.
Based upon these two attacks and the need for significant market depth before the chain can be 'secure' I am starting to conclude that market depth is more important than transaction volume in limiting the number of BitAssets per chain. For this reason I am thinking that the BitShares XT network should have only 2 BitAssets (Gold and Bitcoin). We want to focus the trading efforts and market depth on two assets rather than spreading the network thin. Once we understand the security implications future chains are likely to start with a larger user base, deeper markets, higher initial valuation, and thus able to support more assets securely.
Please let me know of any other attack ideas you can come up with and what your thoughts are on these rule refinements?
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