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181  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The great Lightning scam on: January 26, 2018, 08:53:29 PM
People seem vested for there to be a problem. Transaction fees are high. Services need to come out that consolidate transactions. Coinbase already does this. Now if we add 1 or 2 new players to the game, we'll be fine. It wouldn't be a big deal that the transaction fee is say $40 if transactions were being consolidated, like 2500 transactions consolidated down to one. One transaction per minute. I like to think of solutions, not problems.
182  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The great Lightning scam on: January 26, 2018, 07:52:23 PM
Coinbase is a USA based exchange I know lots of people in Europe all of them with Visa and MasterCard connected to Bitcoin canceled

I'm surprised coinbase still operating their card

Also multiple articles say bitpay visa canceled

Never made sense to me tying a crypto card to a fiat card

Just sell crypto through exchange then exit into an account with a card tied to it

Crypto credit cards just never seemed right


Well the system is already in place to accept payments with Visa, so it's really smart to leverage that, and be able to spend your money where you want. There's no limits that way. You don't need to find places that accept BTC, and it's strategically a good deal to get the "system" to accept Crypto, cause Visa is still getting their 3% from merchants for accepting it, banks still get their ATM fee when you withdraw, so big business doesn't feel as threatened by a major adoption. Yeah, there's a little politics at play, but what do you expect when big moneys involved? Bitpay has not been cancelled, I used it yesterday, and they only sent mine to me like the week before Christmas, and I have a friend who is waiting on his card which was sent out Monday, so those were rumors you heard about it being cancelled.

Are you in Europe?

Those are not rumors, they're major media in Europe.

Now the point of BTC white paper was to operate outside banks.

You leave banks and fiat out of it crypto works.

However, most people have nothing of value to trade.

That's why a merchant based crypto network works. Every merchant has what some consumers want.

So a merchant network that takes crypto from a smartphone needs no terminals, no banks no accounts with banks.

So merchants preferring a crypto will make that top crypto in time.

You can think crypto to visa a good idea, I don't. I think a stable merchant crypto will replace everything.
But do you want to wait for that or do you want to spend your money right now? You don't have to talk merchants into anything, they already have pinpads. I imagine the way it's going to work out EVENTUALLY will be like when you see a pinpad that has apple pay, android pay,  or paypal, it'll be like that but something to the effect of "Pay here with Coinbase" or Coinbasepay, or whatever they decide to call it. (There's your stable merchant crypto, we just need to make it to that point) THEN the Visa cards will start to phase out somewhat, but it'll be a long time before that's complete. Remember, there's still people out there with Diner's club cards.
183  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The great Lightning scam on: January 26, 2018, 06:38:12 PM
Coinbase is a USA based exchange I know lots of people in Europe all of them with Visa and MasterCard connected to Bitcoin canceled

I'm surprised coinbase still operating their card

Also multiple articles say bitpay visa canceled

Never made sense to me tying a crypto card to a fiat card

Just sell crypto through exchange then exit into an account with a card tied to it

Crypto credit cards just never seemed right


Well the system is already in place to accept payments with Visa, so it's really smart to leverage that, and be able to spend your money where you want. There's no limits that way. You don't need to find places that accept BTC, and it's strategically a good deal to get the "system" to accept Crypto, cause Visa is still getting their 3% from merchants for accepting it, banks still get their ATM fee when you withdraw, so big business doesn't feel as threatened by a major adoption. Yeah, there's a little politics at play, but what do you expect when big moneys involved? Bitpay has not been cancelled, I used it yesterday, and they only sent mine to me like the week before Christmas, and I have a friend who is waiting on his card which was sent out Monday, so those were rumors you heard about it being cancelled.
184  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The great Lightning scam on: January 26, 2018, 05:40:48 PM
I don't get what peoples problem is. I buy stuff with BTC all the time. Get yourself a Coinbase account. I know, everybody loves whatever wallet they're using. Just use 2 wallets. The Coinbase wallet links to the Shift card they offer. Spend money any time you want. It's a Visa card, and the transaction goes thru immedietely. Take cash out of the ATM. Theres a ATM fee, but it's the same amount as my bank for foreign ATMS (3.00 or 3.50, cant remember) Now your transactions happen off blockchain. Problem solved. Oh, you want to send BTC to your friend, or someone who you are buying from? Or you want to recieve BTC from someone who bought something from you on ebay? Coinbase does Coinbase to Coinbase transactions off blockchain too also with no fee. That's how I pay the rent for my mining space. The other problem with BTC transactions is you want to wait till the price is up to make a large purchase. So get yourself a second (or third) wallet from Bitpay. Wait till the price is where you need it to be, and move over $500 or whatever you need to over to the Bitpay card. Now those funds are locked in (basically you've sold some of your BTC) Now since your sending BTC from yourself to yourself the time it takes to go through shouldn't matter as much so use a really low transaction fee, and just wait a couple days for it to go through if that's what it takes. Just use the tools you have available, and there really aren't any problems. I think people WANT there to be a problem, probably cause they have invested in some altcoin. People need to be able to go into a store and swipe a card. That's how the whole world is setup. It's best to work with what is there already. Visa gets their cut, banks get their cut, and everyone will chill with the resistance. Wallet to wallet is cool for some stuff for sure, but not for a McDouble and a Coke.

Didn't you hear Visa canceled every card they catch using bitcoin

Bitcoin is now a major NO NO with Visa.

Please post link to Shit card so Visa can shut it down like all the other cards trying to use Visa for Shitcoin

Now if Coinbase has a special deal with Visa, I never heard of it, it's probably a very limited deal, low limits and no cash or low cash out.

Probably only USA and not the rest of the world.

There was one bank doing lots of shitcoin/visa cards and that bank got yanked

So if coinbase has a limited shitcoin card great, it will be pulled soon just like Stripe got rid of shitcoin transactions

Banks are starting to say no to shitcoin

They know it's shit
You're wrong about this one. Coinbase does have a special deal. Bitpay does also. There are a few more as well. Other then the Shift card which is the Coinbase one, the way the other cards work is they connect to an exchange and you are basically selling some of your BTC (some of them support other altcoins as well) so anyways, you sell some of your coins and the exchange sends your money to what is basically a prepaid reuseable Visa card (with their own branding on it) I'm in the process of moving to a less restrictive state (In NY atm, which is most restrictive there is, and doesn't allow half the exchanges) so I can get one of those cards. Now as far as limits go, the Shift card offered by Coinbase has a $1000 limit per transaction. The Bitpay card has a much larger limit (10000 per transaction) so you'd want to utilize that for your big ticket items. I get the feeling that you don't particularly like Bitcoin for some reason. Kinda strange that you would join a Bitcoin forum if you dislike Bitcoin. Also, there's lots of things in this life I don't like, but I just concentrate on the ones I do. Why would I want to be reminded of something I didn't like? It's a big world out there. I'm sure you could find a hobby that makes you happy.
Most of the visa cards were wiped out last month, so if a couple have their own deals it's just when will visa shit can them.

Personally I love my shitcoins, got most around $5 a coin

I said they were SHIT then and I laugh as the SHIT keeps going up

Unlike most here, I do have a deep understanding of tech and bitcoin is shit

But it has a devoted following of morons so it keeps raising in value, but the shit hit the fan recently when some smart guys said publicly, look this is really SHIT so it has to fall and they were right the SHIT dropped over 50% in days

But the SHIT is still maintaining a nice value

Now over the years I bought other SHIT coins, ETH, LTC, DGE and XRP

I guess I like SHIT

I laugh all the way to the bank about my SHITCOINS

haha

Oh I'm not wrong on this

See it's news Visa is canceling shit cards tied to shitcoin
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/2018/01/05/visa-locks-bitcoin-payment-cards-crackdown-card-issuer/

Soon coinbase will be hit and BitPay was mentioned as already being hit in another article

So Visa is saying NO to SHITCARDS with SHITCOINS

Only dummies in USA are still allowed to use shitcards with shitcoins

haha

All of Europe was canceled by Visa

https://dowbit.com/visa-bitcoin-cards-europe/



You're spreading disinformation. From the article you linked: "Visa said the cards had been suspended after Visa terminated WaveCrest's membership due to "continued non-compliance with our operating rules", although it said other Visa cards that convert Bitcoin into normal currency would not be affected.

"Visa has other approved card programmes that use fiat funds converted from cryptocurrency in a number of jurisdictions. The termination of WaveCrest’s Visa membership does not affect these other products."
It was one card provider that they were having an ongoing problem with. The sky is not falling.
185  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The great Lightning scam on: January 26, 2018, 05:04:32 PM
I don't get what peoples problem is. I buy stuff with BTC all the time. Get yourself a Coinbase account. I know, everybody loves whatever wallet they're using. Just use 2 wallets. The Coinbase wallet links to the Shift card they offer. Spend money any time you want. It's a Visa card, and the transaction goes thru immedietely. Take cash out of the ATM. Theres a ATM fee, but it's the same amount as my bank for foreign ATMS (3.00 or 3.50, cant remember) Now your transactions happen off blockchain. Problem solved. Oh, you want to send BTC to your friend, or someone who you are buying from? Or you want to recieve BTC from someone who bought something from you on ebay? Coinbase does Coinbase to Coinbase transactions off blockchain too also with no fee. That's how I pay the rent for my mining space. The other problem with BTC transactions is you want to wait till the price is up to make a large purchase. So get yourself a second (or third) wallet from Bitpay. Wait till the price is where you need it to be, and move over $500 or whatever you need to over to the Bitpay card. Now those funds are locked in (basically you've sold some of your BTC) Now since your sending BTC from yourself to yourself the time it takes to go through shouldn't matter as much so use a really low transaction fee, and just wait a couple days for it to go through if that's what it takes. Just use the tools you have available, and there really aren't any problems. I think people WANT there to be a problem, probably cause they have invested in some altcoin. People need to be able to go into a store and swipe a card. That's how the whole world is setup. It's best to work with what is there already. Visa gets their cut, banks get their cut, and everyone will chill with the resistance. Wallet to wallet is cool for some stuff for sure, but not for a McDouble and a Coke.

Didn't you hear Visa canceled every card they catch using bitcoin

Bitcoin is now a major NO NO with Visa.

Please post link to Shit card so Visa can shut it down like all the other cards trying to use Visa for Shitcoin

Now if Coinbase has a special deal with Visa, I never heard of it, it's probably a very limited deal, low limits and no cash or low cash out.

Probably only USA and not the rest of the world.

There was one bank doing lots of shitcoin/visa cards and that bank got yanked

So if coinbase has a limited shitcoin card great, it will be pulled soon just like Stripe got rid of shitcoin transactions

Banks are starting to say no to shitcoin

They know it's shit
You're wrong about this one. Coinbase does have a special deal. Bitpay does also. There are a few more as well. Other then the Shift card which is the Coinbase one, the way the other cards work is they connect to an exchange and you are basically selling some of your BTC (some of them support other altcoins as well) so anyways, you sell some of your coins and the exchange sends your money to what is basically a prepaid reuseable Visa card (with their own branding on it) I'm in the process of moving to a less restrictive state (In NY atm, which is most restrictive there is, and doesn't allow half the exchanges) so I can get one of those cards. Now as far as limits go, the Shift card offered by Coinbase has a $1000 limit per transaction. The Bitpay card has a much larger limit (10000 per transaction) so you'd want to utilize that for your big ticket items. I get the feeling that you don't particularly like Bitcoin for some reason. Kinda strange that you would join a Bitcoin forum if you dislike Bitcoin. Also, there's lots of things in this life I don't like, but I just concentrate on the ones I do. Why would I want to be reminded of something I didn't like? It's a big world out there. I'm sure you could find a hobby that makes you happy.
186  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: KFC to accept Bitcoin! on: January 26, 2018, 03:54:14 PM
Everyone is praising this as if it’s a good thing. Do any of you realize bitcoin isn’t ready for this? This thread is a joke thread to me because the fees are way to high to buy chicken. It takes too long for a confirmation which means some BitPay business will need to be a middleman and all they do is immediately cash out the sale for fiat. The immediate volume would crush the network and increase fees while overloading the mempool. None of you know a fucking thing about bitcoin.
Or you could use your Shift card that's linked to your Coinbase account. I use mine for chicken. I go to Popeyes though. Way better then KFC if you ask me. You  can use it at an ATM too. The fee is the same as from my bank. (Either 3.00 or 3.50, can't remember at the moment) I get that people like whatever wallet they're using, but just have 2 (or more) wallets. For every person that uses Coinbase or some other off chain solution, that leaves more room for other persons transactions, lowering costs for everyone, and increasing the value of BTC for everyone. It's a win win for everyone. (Except maybe for some people heavily invested in some altcoin but not invested in BTC.)
187  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The great Lightning scam on: January 26, 2018, 03:31:29 PM
I don't get what peoples problem is. I buy stuff with BTC all the time. Get yourself a Coinbase account. I know, everybody loves whatever wallet they're using. Just use 2 wallets. The Coinbase wallet links to the Shift card they offer. Spend money any time you want. It's a Visa card, and the transaction goes thru immedietely. Take cash out of the ATM. Theres a ATM fee, but it's the same amount as my bank for foreign ATMS (3.00 or 3.50, cant remember) Now your transactions happen off blockchain. Problem solved. Oh, you want to send BTC to your friend, or someone who you are buying from? Or you want to recieve BTC from someone who bought something from you on ebay? Coinbase does Coinbase to Coinbase transactions off blockchain too also with no fee. That's how I pay the rent for my mining space. The other problem with BTC transactions is you want to wait till the price is up to make a large purchase. So get yourself a second (or third) wallet from Bitpay. Wait till the price is where you need it to be, and move over $500 or whatever you need to over to the Bitpay card. Now those funds are locked in (basically you've sold some of your BTC) Now since your sending BTC from yourself to yourself the time it takes to go through shouldn't matter as much so use a really low transaction fee, and just wait a couple days for it to go through if that's what it takes. Just use the tools you have available, and there really aren't any problems. I think people WANT there to be a problem, probably cause they have invested in some altcoin. People need to be able to go into a store and swipe a card. That's how the whole world is setup. It's best to work with what is there already. Visa gets their cut, banks get their cut, and everyone will chill with the resistance. Wallet to wallet is cool for some stuff for sure, but not for a McDouble and a Coke.
188  Other / Meta / Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?) on: January 26, 2018, 03:20:29 AM
I don't like the low quality posts any more then anyone else, but it gets into a grey area when the forums start getting micromanaged. Like at what point do you have to be afraid that someone thinks your posting just to post? Do we have to be scared to quote something someone said and reply "Hell yeah!" under it  because someone thinks we're trying to raise our post count? I've been coming to this forum for the last couple years, but I never registered until December. Actually the way I used it before that was to type questions about mining in Google, then when a result came up from BTT I'd choose the "see more from bitcointalk.org" link and go from there researching whatever problem I had. I was motivated to finally get off my ass and make a real account here as the result of a signature campaign, but I would say that's defintely not a bad thing. I know what I'm talking about at this point, (you probably didn't want to hear much from me for awhile when I was still learning anyways), I like to think I have meaningful contributions to discussions, and I've had some great conversations with some great people since then. With a forum related to something as international as Bitcoin there's going to be alot more people who don't speak great english too, and I feel bad for them also, as many of them probably have no ulterior motives for the less then clear and concise posts other then that they really don't know any better. I am glad that the forum isn't a free for all, and that there is accountability, and I do appreciate that alot of people are working really hard to try and make it better. It's definetly a double edged sword, I just always like to give people the benefit of doubt, and I believe that most people are good, they just usually don't have a chance to be or they have been burned so many times they become jaded. But goodness is like a root. A little water and you got some fresh sprouts.

You just got one merit Cheesy

I've been here for rather a long time. And, like you, I lurked even longer than that. Despite real life experience, gmaxwell even called me the "voice of reason" at one point. Something I'd never been accused of prior to Bitcointalk Cheesy

But I digress. Guys like you, and I, were far more common about 4 years ago. Then BTC and other Cryptos got to the edges of the mainstream, and we have gotten a steady stream of people (young, I'm guessing), who, for lack of a better way to put it, are a waste of carbon. I'm not talking about a new guy with something to say who just does it wrong, I'm talking about people trying to raise their post count simply by, well, posting. Nothing. Sometimes literally an asterisk.

At the same time, the moderators were implementing rules that seemed to target actual content instead of the vague idiocy. I know from talking to them that this was not actually the intent, but it came off that way.

I think this system makes more sense, to be honest. Not sure how it'll play out, here in Mos Eisely, but it's certainly an improvement!

Yeah man, I get what they are trying to do, and I'm glad they aren't letting the place go to shit. Some tweaks here and there and it'll probably be the best thing to happen here this year. It'd be awesome for instance if the mods were handing the merits out like candy to people who were obiviously good eggs. Also, I haven't tried to give one out yet (I guess I only get 3 so I want to make sure it's someone helpful/deserving and who really needs it) but I heard thru the grapevine it wasn't as easy as just clicking the "Merit+1" button, that it brings you to another page away from the conversation to answer something.  If it were that easy, (as a like button) it would probably help so it wouldn't be a pain for those mods (and members with a bunch of merit to distribute), to hand that merit candy out all over the place.  Oh yeah, thank you by the way!
189  Other / Meta / Re: Forum ranks/positions/badges (What do those shiny coins under my name mean?) on: January 25, 2018, 10:13:00 PM
I don't like the low quality posts any more then anyone else, but it gets into a grey area when the forums start getting micromanaged. Like at what point do you have to be afraid that someone thinks your posting just to post? Do we have to be scared to quote something someone said and reply "Hell yeah!" under it  because someone thinks we're trying to raise our post count? I've been coming to this forum for the last couple years, but I never registered until December. Actually the way I used it before that was to type questions about mining in Google, then when a result came up from BTT I'd choose the "see more from bitcointalk.org" link and go from there researching whatever problem I had. I was motivated to finally get off my ass and make a real account here as the result of a signature campaign, but I would say that's defintely not a bad thing. I know what I'm talking about at this point, (you probably didn't want to hear much from me for awhile when I was still learning anyways), I like to think I have meaningful contributions to discussions, and I've had some great conversations with some great people since then. With a forum related to something as international as Bitcoin there's going to be alot more people who don't speak great english too, and I feel bad for them also, as many of them probably have no ulterior motives for the less then clear and concise posts other then that they really don't know any better. I am glad that the forum isn't a free for all, and that there is accountability, and I do appreciate that alot of people are working really hard to try and make it better. It's definetly a double edged sword, I just always like to give people the benefit of doubt, and I believe that most people are good, they just usually don't have a chance to be or they have been burned so many times they become jaded. But goodness is like a root. A little water and you got some fresh sprouts.
190  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Baikal Giant X10 on: January 25, 2018, 07:12:14 PM
Is the price increase to satisfy increased demand only or have they made any improvements to the unit?
I think it's just because they can only make them in such small batches everyone gobbles them up and sells them for $12,000 on Ebay, so they just jacked up the price basically cause they can.  It wouldn't be so bad if they felt like that was what they had to get for them if they would just sell them one unit at a time for Crypto, but with the MOQ, and bank wire, it just cuts the little guy right out of the picture. They could sell them on Ebay themselves also if they wanted to get more out of the deal, and set the pricing on the units, but, hey it's a free world, so I guess complaining doesn't really help and they're going to do whatever they want anyways.
191  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 50 Cent accidentally make $8 million with Bitcoin, also help DeepOnion promotion on: January 25, 2018, 07:03:17 PM
But the story is complete rubbish, 50c BTC in 2014 are now worth 10$. Deeponion would not have changed that. Garbage story, but ok, give me all your money Smiley
Read the whole thing. The rapper "50 cent" accepted  BTC as payment for recording his album. He didn't didn't get paid .50 cents to record his album. He probably got paid $250,000 worth of BTC in 2014s exchange rate, and now it's worth a bundle. That's the big story. And now he's musing about his sucesses and buying himself some Deeponion.
192  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Deeponion on: January 25, 2018, 05:46:29 PM
Yeah, Deeponion is one of my favorite alts. Been a great ride so far. Got in in the beginning of December, I think it was like $2.80, at the time. Hangin around $9 at the moment. Community is great, marketing and planning has been great, POW, and POS, with a nice airdrop, really can't think of a single negetive aspect. Great forums as well.
193  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: 50 Cent accidentally make $8 million with Bitcoin, also help DeepOnion promotion on: January 25, 2018, 02:44:20 PM
That's so cool. An accidental investment. After all this time, he's probably alot better with money now that he's had some practice. He'll probably be set for life. Now he's going to invest in Deeponion, so he won't have to sell his position off. What a great story!
194  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Baikal Giant X10 on: January 25, 2018, 02:03:53 AM
I was looking earlier at the Nicehash profitability calculator earlier and it had the X10 at $79 and the Giant B at $77. I bet all you X10 owners were smiling.
195  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How much longer will this Alt Coin run last before transferring back to BTC? on: January 24, 2018, 04:01:25 PM
It won't transfer back to bitcoin. Alts are going to go from strength to strength. Partly because some are innovative. Parly because alts are volatile so offer trading opportunities.

Lots of exchanges even allow you to trade some alts directly for fiat, bypassing bitcoin.


Hey, you mind sharing a few exchanges that allow you to trade alts directly for fiat
I haven't used it yet, but I heard there's a new one called Bisq.
196  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Baikal Giant X10 on: January 24, 2018, 03:51:14 PM
I'd love to get one, but they're a bit out of my league still. I love my Giant+ and A900. Maybe after enough time has passed I'll be able to grab an X10 off ebay for somewhere near 2500. Otherwise it's going to take awhile to get up to the point of being able to get in on a group buy with prices where they're at now. It'd be great if I just had the cash on hand to buy 6. I could sell 3 or 4 and break even with the prices where they're at. Someday.
197  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BLOKFORGE- Official Canaan Distributor on: January 21, 2018, 01:33:13 AM
LTC, wow thats awesome! That will come in handy in March when the next batch of 821's come out. I bought some LTC at 22.50 when they first put it on Coinbase, and mined some more along the way. Perfect way to spend it!
198  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: NiceHash hacked? on: January 20, 2018, 04:42:19 PM
Yeah, I appreciate the way their handling it. They say they're going to pay us back, so we'll see. They changed the way they do the wallet deal also which is nice. They payout to the Nicehash wallet daily (.001 BTC or more) with 2% fee which is the same as before, but to get it out of their wallet you used to have to pay a fee for each withdrawl, but now you can transfer to Coinbase daily for free, so there's no reason to leave money in your Nicehash wallet anymore. Unless you don't move it over (which is now your fault cause there's no fee) there's only one day of mining payments being held in their system. Plus I just like daily payments. Much better for my cash flow. The no fee Coinbase to Coinbase off chain transactions have really come in handy lately, even more so with the high transaction fees we've been dealing with.
199  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: BLOKFORGE- Official Canaan Distributor on: January 20, 2018, 02:49:03 PM
Mr. GreenJeans and Capt. Kangaroo were the best.

And I still have no clue what a pog is.

Google "Milk Pog"



(Moderator's note: This post was edited by frodocooper to fix broken quote formatting. Also, while this discussion is rather amusing, please take it back to the original topic; the current discussion has veered off-topic.)
200  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Antminer Bitmain A3 Blake2b asic miner on: January 18, 2018, 08:43:37 PM
Yea, this could be awesome, but I can't risk that much loot at the moment, especially after the D3 debacle. I'll probably regret it later, but it's not like I just keep BCH laying around either, and they don't want my BTC, so that makes it a slightly easier decision.
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