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It's actually pronounced "EM TEE COX"
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How to prove that the coins are stolen but not by himself?
Very difficult. |
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I am taking legal action against Karpeles/ Mt Gox - ASAP. Anyone want to join me see my thread for info: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490247.0p.s. I like the idea of the OP - but how would we achieve that? Call up Mark and ask him?!!! If there is a way to do that please tell me. |
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Karpales rolled his own wallet(s) using the Bitcoin raw protocol and of course is totally inept at everything so fucked it up. If he had just used the regular bitcoin client but kept it offline, or used Armory offline wallet there would be no problems. Read his personal blog sometime. He makes insecure crypto libraries using Php and then immediately uses them in production without even realizing he's created a big bag of shit.
I'm wondering if that's how maybe he got hacked? he puts all his code on github for everyone to see! |
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Assume for a moment Gox might be telling the truth (Ya right, hahaha)
The purpose of a cold wallet is security and the hot wallet(s) don't have access.
The "crisis document" is clearly a lie, or am I missing something about the cold wallet?
Something hot leaked out of Mark Krapeles pants after he drank too much cold coffee |
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I think the fact that most users of this forum voted "Nobody. Let MtGox die and clients lose all BTC and fiat." reflect very badly on the character of these individuals.
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I still think that Mark might be able to find people to revamp Gox as planned. Obviously he still has possession of many many bitcoins. That is SO fu**ing god damn obvious. The idea that the guy running the world's biggest Bitcoin exchange all of a sudden has NO BITCOINS LEFT!!!!!??? I bloddy well sent some to him just a few weeks ago!. And he had NO COLD STORAGE?  !! WTF? THIS IS A LIE He should be arrested for FRAUD, he was still selling Bitcoins AFTER he stopped withdrawals - i.e. AFTER he KNEW (supposedly) that he had no coins to sell - what is that if it isn't plain and simple FRAUD. Selling something you don't have? Anyway I digress... He will wait until the BTC price resurges, sell all his stolen coins and then somehow try to get Gox back online. At least I hope so. I'm suing him anyway though. |
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HOW?
I have heard people say this but How is this even possible? Where to start?
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I cannot f**ing believe that this cunt says he is bankrupt.
That little lying bastard Mark Karpeles has STOLEN 750,000 Bitcoins from his member's accounts
Those coins are worth roughy: $300,000,000 USD
SO TELL ME HOW HE IS BANKRUPT???
WHEN HE ONLY OWES $63.6 MILLION USD ?
THIS IS A CRIMINAL THEIF AND HE must be investigated to retrieve our coins
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Yesterday you were defending Gox saying they will rise again. What happened?
I don't believe I have defended them and wishing Gox would rise again and saying they will rise again are very different things. Please note that requesting evidence they are in fact insolvent is not defending its asking for facts. I want facts and since mark is unable to help with this what other option do I have? So without being too rude bitch don't be putting words in my mouth. @T.Stuart yep same for me . Nothing to do but get trolled till next week I guess  I was referring to OP and the giant picture of a Phoenix he posted. Ha Ha yes that is my dream |
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I will be contacting my Lawyers in Tokyo who speak English tomorrow (Friday 28th)
If anyone want to get in with me and split costs, let me know ASAP.
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I am going to sue Mt. Gox for fraudulently selling me a product which they knew they didn't have.
I will be contacting my Lawyers in Tokyo who speak English tomorrow (Friday 28th)
If anyone want to get in with me and split costs, let me know ASAP.
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As I wrote in July 2013: How to apply pressure to Mt. Gox to pay up.There are ways to do this. I don't have any money with them, but I've had to do international collections before, for amounts in high six figures, and I got paid. Here are some options: - Sue in Delaware. Mt. Gox has a legal presence in the U.S., in Delaware, as a result of their FinCen filing. So Mt. Gox can be sued there. Delaware has Justice of the Peace courts with jurisdiction up to $15,000. They even have online filing, although you may have to go to Delaware for the trial. Mt. Gox will either have to send someone to trial, or lose by default. You still have to collect on the judgement, but there are ways to do that.
- Hire a collection agency in Japan. This isn't easy across the language barrier, but it's possible. Search with Google for 債権回収サービス ("Debt collection service"). It's useful to use Google Chrome with automatic translation enabled for this. Find a service that mentions that they do commercial collections, not just consumer collections. Here's the Japan Ministry of Justice's list of registered debt collection agencies.. There are ones that are not registered, but some are just Yazuka goons. (Although that might work, this is going to be a high-profile collection, and they don't want the visibility.) There are U.S. companies which claim they can collect in Japan, but most don't actually have a presence in Japan. Unless a US company has a Tokyo office of their own, they're probably wasting your time. The normal deal is that the collection agency gets a cut of what they collect, but you don't pay anything up front.
- Raise hell in the financial press. Start calling reporters who have written stories about Bitcoin. Call Forbes, the Wall Street Journal, and Bloomberg BusinessWeek. Not just email - call them. Use words like "default" when talking to them.
- File a complaint with the Japan Ministry of Finance under the Payment Services Act. Whether Mt. Gox likes it or not, they fall under the Payment Services Act in Japan, which regulates non-bank money transfer services. Japan has many such services; most of the cell phone companies offer money transfer, for example. They're required to maintain 100% of customer funds in a separate account, and the Financial Services Agency can audit this. The place to start is a Japanese consulate in the US or the Japan External Trade Organization. One of the major functions of consulates, especially ones of countries with big export trade, is to tell people how to deal with cross-border commercial problems.
If Mt. Gox owes you a substantial amount of money, you can make them pay. You don't have to put up with their nonsense. They do not get to determine when and whether they pay up. It doesn't work that way in the real world. It's easier to do this now than it was months ago, because there's been so much press coverage of Mt. Gox's problems. You have a lot less explaining to do. For US persons owed less than $15K, the Delaware Justice of the Peace court looks like an excellent option. It's cheap, it's in the US, and Mt. Gox has to send someone from Japan or they lose by default. You don't need a lawyer, although getting some legal advice on filing would be a good idea. If you win, you have a judgment against Mt. Gox, which you still have to collect. You can sell that judgment to a collection agency for a discount, and you can publicize it. You can apply enough pain to Mt. Gox that you'll get paid. Thanks for that INFO. HERE is a list of ENGLISH SPEAKING LAWYERS IN JAPAN:
http://www.nzembassy.com/japan/new-zealanders-overseas/living-japan/legal-advice-and-list-lawyers |
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I have been one of the multiple affected by the recent out of business of the exchanger MtGox. Looking for information of how to recover my Bitcoins I have found out that a lot of people have decided to give up and consider them lost, but I am not willing that anybody keeps what belongs to me. After discussion this with some friends who have been affected too, we have decided to create a platform of people affected to help each other and study our options to recover our Bitcoins. We have been looking for legal advise and we already have the support of two attorneys very knowledgeable in this matter, but all help is welcome particularly to adopt a common position in order to give our possible claim a significant weight. I encourage you to let us know any information and/or to contact us if you are facing the same situation. The web site is: http://afectadosmtgox.com/Your website is in Spanish which is not really very helpful. I will be contacting a Lawyer in Japan soon to see what we can do. I have started a thread here, maybe English speaking people might want to PM me: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=490247.0Personally I bought a few of Gox's cheap coins AFTER they stopped withdrawals, at which point, if there is any truth in the leaked document - Gox must have KNOWN already that they didn't have the coins to back up the sales. That is plain and simple FRAUD and I am sure they can be sued for FRAUD. I will PM you with my email too. Thanks |
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Please ONLY POST HERE IF:
You Are SERIOUSLY interested in joining forces to sue Mt.Gox Ltd. and/or Mark Karpeles.
I will be contacting a Lawyer in Japan to discuss proceedings.
DO NOT POST HERE to make some kind of random comment like "haha you lost your money"
IF you want to Sue them with me, PM me ASAP.
UPDATE: I have been on the phone to my Lawyer in Japan today.
We can sue Gox / Mark Karpeles together - If we have 5 people then the cost will be about $2000 USD each.
He said he can start an action within 1 or 2 weeks.
Anyone who is serious and of course has:
Record of money they transferred to Gox's bank ( MIZUHO BANK LTD ) Or some other way
Your history CSV file, Account number etc.
You will of course need to provide your ID Passport.
PM ME ASAP.
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