1. You can't just say something isn't true and therefore it become provably untrue. That is ridiculous.
Please read the post carefully.  I have also posted evidence I consider to be corroborating previously why it is plausible you're an alt of lauda. Also you are yet to explain your strange action of being first to oppose a flag where there is iron clad evidence of deception and lying for financial gain. Aka scamming. First to backstab theymos for daring to ask a proven scammer and trust abuser like lauda removed from DT. Always first to intervene when lauda is in any real danger. A similar very " caustic " posting style. Others have mentioned that they think you speak Croatian.
Knowingly presenting provably false information as true. Not as you are doing here yourself saying you believe someone is an alt of someone and presenting what you consider corroborating evidence. This is done by most of DT1. They are all trolls by your standards which do not match the forums definition anyway.

2. No conclusive proof.  Treated like cryptohunter? Goes back to again never having been able to demonstrate he knowingly presented conclusively false information as true or ever committed financially motivated wrong doing?   So no trolling there or scamming.
So there again by deliberately and knowingly you are promugating false information as true by claiming he was guilty of trolling as per boards definition.  

3. Your posts clearly say cryptohunter do not feed the troll. Do not..
You are attempting to prevent others entering legitmate discussion. That Is wrong.

4. Request yourself that you are blacklisted from DT entirely to demonstrate you don't wish to be on DT1.

5. If there is no self moderated in rep for anyone that would be fair.
People should have access to all of the on topic relevant information.

Suchmoon seems to have missed the points I made above.
He is still stalking my threads and trolling there.

1. He can not produced any evidence to support his claims of my presenting provably false information as true. So no proof of trolling.
2. He has no conclusive proof that I'm the alt of anybody.
3. He is demanding that my discussions and debates are ended and that members cease posting their points in response to my own.

Suchmoons actions are entirely toxic and prevent free speech at a far more serious level that bitcoinSV

Suchmoon is advocating here for a further imbalance on the forum favouring DT1. Anyone they claim is trolling should not be permitted self moderation. However suchmoon classes presenting incontrovertible proof of financially motivated wrong doing by his DT1 friends or Alts are trolling. So you can see where that would be punishing whistleblowers further.

Better to just prevent all self mod in rep for everyone.

You will engage with me on all of my threads and help by self debunking the initial opposition you offer.
Or just hide up.
" the very notion that I would be contained to one thread when I have so much knowledge and experience to offer the forum is completely  ludicrous "  as one legendary member has said before.

What can you offer me in terms of debate? I can find only self debunking or running away in your post history when dealing with real masters of debate. Well ..except unintentional support and credibility that is
 Lol.

I would prefer not to focus on a specific member. Don't want this being teleported to rep.

I am asking in general.  Can you target a specific members legitmate discussion ( no proof of trolling in the current discussion and the points made in the OP stand having not been debunked)  and start demanding the discussion stops and that people stop commenting and making their points?

Of course anyone should be free to deal with points they dislike or disagree with by

1. Debunking them conclusively
2. Presenting a legitmate counter argument which stands up to scrutiny  that casts doubt on those points
3. Ignore the discussion.

They should certainly not be permitted to

1. Demand the discussion stops.
2. Follow the person around demanding all discussions stop
3. Make up lies or make statements with zero corroborating evidence as a basis for making false claims of trolling

This should be looked at.

Every member must be free to express on topic, relevant and  legitimate  ( corroborated with evidence) posts without others demanding the discussion stops. It is bad enough to have the threat of red tags and flags and merit starvation for simply presenting inconvenient ontopic and relevant evidence that DT1 find inconvenient.

This latest demanding a halt to legitimate discussion is clearly going way too far.

For those select few that require no merit since they require no rank, sig rev,  no desire to trade or any further financial profit here at all then there is still free speech. These members are the most valuable asset the forum still has to avoid or just becoming one huge human centipede. An echo chamber is useless as a forum.

For example if someone is targeting a specific thread starter?

If I were to turn up on a certain members threads consecutively and regularly just insert a picture stating do not feed the troll ?

I mean it would be different if I were to present incontrovertible proof the person was trolling by demonstrating they were deliberately promugating false information as true. That would debunk their points or arguments.

But just to turn up to every one of their threads with zero evidence of prior trolling ( not that that would indicate the current thread or discussion therein was not a legitimate discussion) and zero evidence the current discussion is in anyway trolling and just demand people stop contributing to that current discussion is acceptable? Yes or No?

If it is then I will start doing it on every persons threads where I simply feel like it.

Yes or no? Present your reasoning and specific evidence to support your claims if you say yes.

Of course if you say No then that clearly makes sense. You should not be able to tell others to stop a debate or discussion without evidence the debate or discussion is invalid. You should present your own counter argument that stands up to scrutiny that refutes the thread starters points.

You can't allow it to be acceptable practise for DT1 members or any members to go around demanding people end debates and discussions can you?

If you do not agree with the points a person is making you must either debunk them or accept it is possible they are correct . You can not simply demand the discussion stops. That is clearly not how a forum works.

How much further are DT1 going to be permitted to crush the freedom of speech here ? They have their red tags and flags to scare people away from discussing things they don't like. Or presenting evidence of their prior financially motivated wrongdoing.

Now they are going further and just demanding people stop discussing or debating things they are not comfortable with.
Mods and admin allowing this are complicit. There is no other way to see it.

Uphold a persons right to discuss on topic and relevant information. Really you should make members responsible for claims they are making too. If those claims relate to behavior that is independently verifiable on this forum.
If it is conclusively proven they have been making false claims  they should be forced to retract or face a punishment. Repeating false claims is trolling.  Punish them.

You need to clarify 2 points.

1. This specific meta suitable discussion only needs to be discussed thoroughly once. Either it is okay for DT1 to use provable lies as a basis for red tags or it is not.

A hypothetical example would be if I lied and said you have left a red tag that states I scammed you out of 10btc. This is provably a lie. 

2. If they are provable lies then they are not simply accusations. They are statements of truth.

However there is no need to even get specific to certain members unless other members ask for an example.

Jollygood https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5229023.0

Does not grasp the difference between allegations and statements that have been conclusively proven true.

Then again jollygood is unable to stick to one set of rules. He uses one set to define scammers that are not on DT but then another set for his friends on DT. He is a scammer facilitator himself that enjoys pushing double standards around here.

If you're a close friend of lauda mozprognoz malboroza tman then sadly that has to be a no.
Merit sources should be less concentrated in the hands of close allies or friends.

The distribution already resembles pal points or political points.

It would be best if I were to be a  merit source.

Nothing against you personally but we need to start having some merit sources that are not all mates.
I think it would also be sensible to stipulate you can not be a merit source if you've worn a banner in the last year.

Why would a discussion seeking clarity on the permissible use of provable lies as a basis for a red tag be moved to rep?
If people want specific details as to use as examples for the debate that does not make it a rep thread.

The answer is a yes it is permissible for DT1 known scammer facilitator or any other DT1 to use provable lies as a basis for red tags or it is not.

This is not specific member applicable. This discussion is to decide if that is a step too far.
We know they can just make up things that are impossible to disprove however improbable just to silence or punish whistle blowers or competition but using provable lies as a basis for a red tag seems a step too far.


Let's discuss this again. In meta.

Yes or No.. you can not state someone took a certain action on this forum when it is possible to conclusively prove they did not.

How hard can this be to tackle?

Yes or No with an explanation.

That sounds like the proof Lafu is part of the exit scam that cryptopia pulled costing investors 10s of millions of dollars
He was pushing people to this exchange right up to the scam

Lafu is a proven scammer.

Open 2 threads on the same page and you are cryptohunter.
Imitation the highest form...

There is no conclusive proof.
Thanks for demonstrating just that.

The other cowards running away once I start pulling them towards details and specifics was also entertaining and revealing.

Suchmoron is the ideal initial respondent.

They were first to abuse the flagging system. I would like them to explain why they are opposing a type 1 flag where there is iron clad evidence of deception and lies for financial gain?

Watch them run away and hide.

Suchmoon? Suchmoon? Are you still there? Or just hiding away from me as always?
I promise to go easy on you this time. Don't be this way ... you are better than that.
I have a cookie? A tin full of cookies?




















.... a cookie factory?

Provide the evidence I have supported any of those flags.
YOU CAN NOT.
Therefore it is a lie.

Please provide the conclusive proof of my old account
YOU CAN NOT

Explain the shady motives in detail and how they are shady
YOU CAN NOT.

I am not backing the flags I have not read the flags or visited the flag pages.
I am saying that I agree there is a colluding group of DT1 that protected and facilitated the scammer lauda
Prove otherwise
YOU CAN NOT

Supporting a persons opinion on one thing is not supporting every action they have ever taken
I have not investigated bitcoinSV so have no idea if you are making up more lies or not

Now make sure to take time and think before you make mode groundless allegations.

Take your time but do not run away and hide.

I had not noticed thepharmacists reply which seems to consist of:  if you have a new account that seems to have knowledge he does not expect a new account to have, then you can be given red trust on the basis of lies.
Thanks for your input thepharmacist.  

Really a proven alt of "whom"? Evidence please.

Also can you provide the evidence of this prior members financially motivated wrong doing?

Also can you provide the evidence of this prior members posts where he is trolling ? Aka knowingly presenting false information as true?

Have you evaluated and analyses this prior members post history and can explain specifically how you conclude he was negative?

I hope you can or are you just making up false allegations or lies ?

Please do not run away. I will see your evidence.

I repeat do not run away and hide.


JackG  says if you only join here to wear a sig you should have a red tag WHILE SPAMMING CHIPMIXER

Also Where did I say I only joined to wear a sig? I did not.

What evidence did I claim to have posted? What specifically are you referring to ?

Ps. I am not specifically picking fights with people I am simply wishing to establish the limits for the trust system and what is being allowed to take place here now.

Well done all my new friends for daring to enter debate. Many are cowards that simply hide away.

Timelord getting his tongue deep into scammer enablers but holes lately.
How it slimes around desiring to be accepted into the DT1 gang.
Chasing those sponsor banners.
Shame it's going to be a waste of time. Sponsors should not be rewarding scammer facilitators nor the mentally deranged.

Even I

Says the great timelord. Lol

Lauda gang wanna be... let him in guys his brown nosing is nauseating.
Now as to timelords sponsors.  Should they really be sponsoring a trust abuser and scammer facilitator?
That's not for me to say. Perhaps freebitcoin is happy to be publically associated with timelords scammer facilitating and trust abuse and of course his unhinged random allegations based on.... nothing he can present  as evidence.

Quick timelord message owlcatz perhaps he can get you in between lauda and tman for a good dp.
Vod will soon be using your head as a space hopper.

It devalues the warning system in general and now i can't be on chipmixer either
Also if I wish to trade my gold bars people may be put off now that I have a red tag claiming I am telling lies ?

I think that DT1 should not be handing out negative trust based on lies they make up or statements they can not prove or at least provide corroborating evidence.

Deliberately making up lies to justify fake red tags dilutes the warning system. That is facilitating scammers.

This is simply a DT1 making up lies to apply a red tag to my account.

He is doing this because he wants to use the trust system to crush my free speech and deter me from speaking the truth.

The trust system is not there to punish those telling the truth or those expressing an opinion they can strongly corroborate with independently verifiable evidence.

I wish it to be examined.

@ BA

You are wrong this is for meta it has system wide implications.

Can a person make up lies as a basis for a red tag ? Yes or  no?

Who says a new account is not permitted to post anything an elder member can?

Matters worse?

Support of scammers ? Proof please.

I am supporting his opinion there is a gang that involves lauda for which I have supplied strong corroborating evidence. I can supply a lot more.

Please take more care over the assumptions and allegations you are making.
They will all be scrutinised.

Some people get a type 1 flag for nothing? No proof ? No corroborating evidence at all? Just a hunch the person may have done something wrong?

However , I note there are cases of irrefutable deception for financial gain and outright scamming where many DT1 will collude to oppose the flag if it's another DT1 in the spot light?

This is for even just a type1 flag?

Why is this not being taken care of??

If the flag abuse is not going to be moderated then what is the point of the flag system?

I mean yes there is little point anyway since the tagging system is even more wide open to abuse than before  ( and before it was so abused we needed flags lol ) and the tagging system still has as much power as the flagging system.

The entire thing is a corrupt mess.

Who dares to enter discussion on this matter?

There are other huge issues with the flagging and trust system in general that were just brought to light recently.

I seem to have a red tag that states

1. I am supporting flags? I don't recall ever supporting a flag?
2. I am spreading lies? Can you present your evidence to demonstrate the lies?

Can DT members just make up anything to justify a red tag?

Neither Vod or Owl are suitable for DT.
One was implicated in an extortion scam and is close friends with 2 proven scammers.
Vod has abused the trust system in multiple ways.
Abusing the trust system intentionally is facilitating scammers.

1. Vod admitted to being too afraid to tag or even exclude lauda because they may ruin his own account
2. Vod engages in undeniable misuse of red tagging
3. Vod opposes flags on iron clad evidence of scamming by his pal lauda

Of course this brain damaged broke down bum must be removed.

OWL is even more dangerous. 
Fortunately the dox is available on both. Vod doesn't hide. Owl was revealed by cody.

DT1 is fucked. The entire system needs changing.
You simply can not have mentally deranged brain damaged broke bums with no backbone, nor friends of scammers that are up for a bit of extortion in positions of trust.

Everyone opposing laudas flag which is an iron clad scamming and deception for financial gain is part of the lauda gang

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5249969.0

Shut up fool. Fancy being here all these years and still being a broke down bum trying to spam any crappy sponsor that will have you.
I wonder if they are aware of your trust abuse and mental illness? Perhaps they should be? I mean devaluing the trust system could be seen as facilitating scammers? Also giving red tags out to members based on patterns only your drug addled mind detects should not be rewarded financially.

Until the next full bull run it will remain slow.
When bitcoin blasts past 20k along with a lot of the top alts breaking ath
the media will be all over it again and pumpers and whales will be back to feast.

I also do not think this forum is as attractive to absolute noobs to snatch some chances as it was previously.
That was probably a necessity but I dont know if you will ever see activity here like in the last 2 bulls.

Institutional interest and activity will not pass through this board.

I would love to see this forum peak again or exceed the old peeks of activity but how to juggle the chaos and retain some quality and credibility is a tough one.

For bitcoin it will not matter for non top 20alts that could be a big problem.  They may not get the exposure this board has provided in the past. I think the gold rush days are behind us.

I hope I'm wrong and this forum blasts past old records and some great alts that have been forgotten get some needed exposure. Lets see. I dont like other mediums out there and this forum could still be a great community if the right people were to return.