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181  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: RaiBlocks eliminates confirmation delays and fees bringing refreshing simplicity on: March 03, 2016, 04:13:54 PM
Feel free to recompile it and always run wallets inside a VM.

I compiled it myself, maybe scan with a reputable scanner?
182  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / RaiBlocks eliminates confirmation delays and fees bringing refreshing simplicity on: March 03, 2016, 03:47:39 PM
RaiBlocks places transactions in to ledger on an individual basis.  This removes the concept of block intervals, block sizes, and all the other complicated parameters that destroy scalability.

https://raiblocks.net
Follow us on Twitter: @raiblocks
183  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / [ANN][XRB]Cryptocurrency's killer app: RaiBlocks micropayments on: February 29, 2016, 01:46:45 PM
Why RaiBlocks?
No fees: The RaiBlocks network has no notion of fees.
Low latency: Transactions are natively processed instantly giving a responsive experience.
Scalability: Micropayments require a system capable of significant scalability
Simplicity: Users have a simple experience without technical jargon.

Follow on Twitter: @raiblocks



Block lattice whitepaper: https://docs.google.com/document/d/13s6BKzRq9oD5Me55JBRzR7BdvjJ44QKqPu2lf-JsAlU

Spec rationale: https://github.com/clemahieu/raiblocks/wiki/Design-features

Signing algorithm - ED25519
Hashing algorithm - Blake2
Key derivation function - Argon2
Block interval - Instant
UDP message protocol
IPV6 addressing

Translations:
源石币
184  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [ANN] The Definitive List of Mac Altcoin Wallets on: December 17, 2015, 05:27:58 AM
RaiBlocks https://raiblocks.net/

Built by me, I develop RaiBlocks.
185  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: December 17, 2015, 02:10:59 AM
Version 7.2.0 has been released which is recommended for everyone and is available on https://raiblocks.net

The RPC processing system has been rewritten to operate asynchronously in addition to other performance improvements.

We also added RPCs dedicated to payment processing which gives a non-polling way to wait for payments.

A whitepaper has been arranged for viewing https://docs.google.com/document/d/13s6BKzRq9oD5Me55JBRzR7BdvjJ44QKqPu2lf-JsAlU/edit?usp=sharing

Let us know if there are any issues.
186  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] RaiBlocks 7.1.2 and Cryptsy voting on: November 24, 2015, 03:19:39 PM
I installed it on a vanilla Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 install and it ran fine and others have been able to run it on Windows 7 as well.

I'll have to see what can be done to get a stack track, pre-startup.

Is there anything special about your install?  Non-english language or anything?
187  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 16, 2015, 11:37:15 PM
Confirmation points are configured right now as:
No observed forks and a vote tally totaling > 50% of supply
At least one fork and a vote tally for a single block > 15/16 of supply which we declare the the winner.

50% of supply seems very large - what if the nodes controlling 51% are offline at the time the vote is required?

You're right this area could use some work, possibly some long-term node-local trending on vote participation to gauge active total supply.

The representative system was made so the majority of balance holders can be offline while representatives dedicated to staying online can do the voting.  I envision places like exchanges: Poloniex, Cryptsy, BTCC, and your own metaexchange, crypto banks, universities, or corporations would set up a node and publish their representative address people could use as their voting representative.  Unlike mining these voting nodes don't require large capital investment to generate PoW to keep the network healthy, primarily they need a moderate amount of bandwidth and storage space and high availability.

Balance-weighted voting also allows balance holders to manage global decentralization by making sure no representative gets a disproportionate vote.  Right now with mining pool PoW centralization there's nothing people can do to prevent it.

The representative is a property of the account number, just like the balance.  It's changed by the account publishing a change block to name a new representative which can be done at any time and the ledger handles changing the representative weights when transactions are performed.
188  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 16, 2015, 09:48:29 PM
Unrelated question: are there delegates, or can anyone vote on transactions? If there are no delegates, how can you tell when voting is 'done'?

Anyone with a balance can vote on transactions and their vote is weighted based on their balance + the amount that's been named to them by others.

The voting protocol says voters must change their future vote to be the block with the highest observed vote count. This makes voting converge toward a single result with good actors.

Voters have an incentive to vote the protocol because they hold a balance in the network.

Votes are weighted on balance so a person with 1 RAI has proportionally less influence than someone with 1 billion RAI.

Voting completes heuristically as the vote total for one block increases past a confirmation point.

Confirmation points are configured right now as:
No observed forks and a vote tally totaling > 50% of supply
At least one fork and a vote tally for a single block > 15/16 of supply which we declare the the winner.
189  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 16, 2015, 07:33:02 PM
From what I understand ripple had transitive trust network that needed to be built up.  You needed to trust something at which point votes from that node would count.  The node you trusted would in turn trust other nodes which was supposed to build up your trust network.  With RaiBlocks you set a representative which hands the voting power of your balance to them until you change it.  You can name yourself or some local group that has a machine set up for doing votes but it's all still balance weighted and there's no transitive trust relationship.

Ripple also needed a vote for every block on every block interval, with RaiBlocks it's entirely possible for hours or days to go by without voting, as long as no one signs a fork, no voting is possible on your chain because there's only one option to vote on.

That was ripple's original trust-lines design. The new one is called 'last ledger close', wherein participants vote on the current transaction set and the current ledger closes every 3 seconds. There is no stored vote history (as far as I know).

I didn't realise RaiBlocks had no requirement to generate a 'current' consensus.

Maybe a better way for me to describe RAI is that forks are always attacks. If a node is presented with a valid state transition, I.e. A block that represents a single transaction owned and signed by the chain's owner it takes it as a de-facto 100% vote. Since all nodes are rebroadcasting a block as they accept it, within a couple seconds we can be sure if anyone anywhere has seen a fork I.e. an attack. If no forks are observed no vote takes place because there is only one option.
190  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 16, 2015, 04:11:57 PM
Am I right in thinking RaiBlocks actually shares a lot of Ripple's consensus characteristics?

From what I understand ripple had transitive trust network that needed to be built up.  You needed to trust something at which point votes from that node would count.  The node you trusted would in turn trust other nodes which was supposed to build up your trust network.  With RaiBlocks you set a representative which hands the voting power of your balance to them until you change it.  You can name yourself or some local group that has a machine set up for doing votes but it's all still balance weighted and there's no transitive trust relationship.

Ripple also needed a vote for every block on every block interval, with RaiBlocks it's entirely possible for hours or days to go by without voting, as long as no one signs a fork, no voting is possible on your chain because there's only one option to vote on.
191  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Proof of Burn cannot work cleanly in practice on: November 15, 2015, 10:03:43 PM
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Bitcoin is being raped TO DEATH by disproportionate cost of security (investor's money is being siphoned off to the electric utilities):
I doubt Satoshi envisioned that a handful of central points would rule Bitcoin taking all the rewards.
In that sense BTC has failed i think.. that was not anticipated i guess ?

Agreed, I think PoW was the best bet for an in-band reward for supporting a small part of what a currency takes.

Cryptocurrency has more value than its mining rewards, all these side businesses that start up, exchanges, banks, merchant systems, all get value from bitcoin aside from block rewards.

I don't think block rewards will last.
192  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why Proof of Burn cannot work cleanly in practice on: November 15, 2015, 06:07:13 PM
Also it's not a simple "rich get richer" game

Is that true in the long run?  It seems like there's preference given to the longest burn via the multiplier though there's nothing stopping someone from having multiple burns maturing simultaneously.  It seems like the richest person would be able to have the most amount of burns maturing, possibly from every block, and would always dominate anyone who doesn't have as much.
193  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 15, 2015, 12:13:25 AM
This manual vote request only happens if the node is shut down while a fork is being negotiated and doesn't see the final conclusion.  Because it's a lattice, it's only affecting the one account that intentionally created the fork, the rest of the chains are unaffected.

And if that one account had sent a lot of transactions which, say a large proportion of recipient accounts then built upon, it surely affects more than just that one account in total?

Right, it could affect more accounts, accounts that received from the fork that was just outvoted, they're all invalid.  The issue is, if the local node that's synchronizing didn't see the final vote for this block by virtue of the fact that we have it locally but the network voted against it, that indicates those derived blocks didn't wait for proper confirmation indicating they're actually in collusion on the fork.

If receivers wait for vote confirmation on a block before receiving it they have no chance of their chains being rolled back.

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Partition tolerance, yes, partition detection is different though.  With voting if I'm getting votes that sum to 15% of total supply, the network is split.  With hashing if I'm getting a 1Mh/s rate is the network split?  Maybe.  I can guess if I know and trust an expected hash rate.

That only makes sense if you know what percentage of total stake is supposed to be voting at any one time.
194  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 14, 2015, 11:39:08 PM
Requesting a confirmation takes almost the same amount of resources as responding to one, I don't see a DDOS angle other than simple network flooding.

Well, since you don't store historical votes, everyone must be called upon to vote again if a syncing node is presented with a fork, no? You can't just take the opinion of one node at that point, surely?

Correct.  If a node is syncing and it detects a fork, it sends N request packets to its peers.  Each voting peer sends 1 response packet back to the sender with their vote.  The initiator is committing equal network traffic compared to the responder.

This manual vote request only happens if the node is shut down while a fork is being negotiated and doesn't see the final conclusion.  Because it's a lattice, it's only affecting the one account that intentionally created the fork, the rest of the chains are unaffected.

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I still don't see bitcoin as completely trustless, determining the highest block is trustless but you still need to trust where you got your wallet and that it's implementing the protocol correctly.

These points are completely orthogonal to the problem we are discussing.

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You also need a way to determine if you're connected to a partition, since there's no upper bound quarum on hashrate there's no trustless way to determine connectedness.  With voting you can observe if you've received a quarum and make that determination.

Partition tolerance is the same in both cases; in bitcoin the votes are the blocks.

Partition tolerance, yes, partition detection is different though.  With voting if I'm getting votes that sum to 15% of total supply, the network is split.  With hashing if I'm getting a 1Mh/s rate is the network split?  Maybe.  I can guess if I know and trust an expected hash rate.
195  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 14, 2015, 08:18:57 PM
It seems like the analogous situation in bitcoin is being fed shorter block chains that were dropped.  When synchronizing we don't give shorter chains to people because it's irrelevant, we only give people the longest one a.k.a the contemporary state.

What would voting history give?  What if they only replay certain votes?  History is really unnecessary.

In bitcoin you can give any node any set of chains - the node simply chooses the longest one; this is trustless and always consistent.

If you had voting history in raiblocks, at least the synchronizing client could make some kind of judgement based on several forks which it is presented with. As it stands, it has to ask other nodes which is correct, which is not a trustless operation and on top of that, said nodes must expend their own resources to re-vote on the historical forks (the DDOS angle, I've previously mentioned).

Requesting a confirmation takes almost the same amount of resources as responding to one, I don't see a DDOS angle other than simple network flooding.

We also use stateless UDP rather than TCP so far fewer network resources are consumed.

I still don't see bitcoin as completely trustless, determining the highest block is trustless but you still need to trust where you got your wallet and that it's implementing the protocol correctly.  You also need a way to determine if you're connected to a partition, since there's no upper bound quarum on hashrate there's no trustless way to determine connectedness.  With voting you can observe if you've received a quarum and make that determination.

I guess it's an engineering tradeoff, do we want fast confirmations and unbounded global throughput at the expense of edge-case trust which I still find fairly impractical.
196  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 14, 2015, 05:01:38 PM
I'm afraid I largely agree with TPTB_need_war; without a voting history, I find it hard to see how there can be a reliable, unforgeable consensus for 'now'.

That's not correct, the consensus now is all that matters.  For instance as humans we don't have a record of all governments and all decisions going back to the beginning of time yet we have a consensus about what we agree to at this moment.  A historical record can be interesting but the only thing that matters is consensus at this current point in time, only historians care about anything else and currency isn't about a history lesson.

This is true in the real world because time travel is impossible.  Cryptocurrencies must strive to make time travel, voting on past history, or presenting fraudulent histories very hard, or the 'now' won't be reliable or consistent.

It seems like the analogous situation in bitcoin is being fed shorter block chains that were dropped.  When synchronizing we don't give shorter chains to people because it's irrelevant, we only give people the longest one a.k.a the contemporary state.

What would voting history give?  What if they only replay certain votes?  History is really unnecessary.
197  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 14, 2015, 10:26:49 AM
As monsterer and I have been alluding to up thread

Monsterer and I have been having discussions and you may not be in as much agreement as you believe.

I will wait to see a public post from monsterer if he disagrees with my assessment. Are you referring to private discussions with him? Because in my quick perusal of his public posts in this thread, they seem to be congruent with my points. Feel free to point out a case where you think his points are not congruent with mine.

afaics you have not definitively stated the frame-of-reference—employed by your ("every UTXO output has its own block chain")

Those words are in quotes though it is not factually a quotation.

Perhaps American English is not your native language? I did not quote you. If I did, I would have used the normal forum quoting as I always do. Placing a phrase between double quotes can also mean that the quoted description is an example of how someone might say it (not specifically any person, since the quote was not attributed to any person)

According to the writer's handbook https://writing.wisc.edu/Handbook/QPA_quoting.html  Quotations are literal quotations and should cite references, Adding Clarification, Comment, or Correction requires square brackets around what you're modifying.

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design—for Byzantine fault tolerant consensus

There is no such thing as Byzantine fault tolerance since the byzantine problem is stated in terms of separation of communication a.k.a. network partitioning.  Only after partitions have been merged can a final conclusion be reached for instance bitcoin isn't tolerant against partitioning since if the network was partitioned and each separate segment was generate separate block chains, a conclusion as to which is the longest couldn't be reached until the partitions were merged and the results compared, hence it would no longer by a byzantine problem.  Please read up more on the topic before commenting on them.

Do NOT again write an absurd condescending remark that assumes I hadn't yet researched the fundamental concepts.

Try to remain respectful please (and leave the ad hominem shit aside) as we had been up thread.

No ad-hominem assertion has been made, I remarked that you don't know what you're talking about, not that the comment is incorrect because you as a person are making it.  This is an incorrect application of the ad-hominem logical fallacy.

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I have no idea what rational basis you have told yourself to justify assuming I don't understand the definition of Byzantine fault tolerance. How could I possibly be commenting with so much technical knowledge in your thread if I hadn't yet researched the fundamental concepts.

That's the question, I think you're actually technobabbling and don't have technical knowledge.  I think you've mined technical phrases and are repeating them, incorrectly.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Byzantine_fault_tolerance

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Byzantine fault
 Any fault presenting different symptoms to different observers
Byzantine failure
 The loss of a system service due to a Byzantine fault in systems that require consensus

Your understanding of Byzantine fault tolerance is incorrect. Per the definition above, Bitcoin delivers the same expectations (symptoms) for CAP (consistency, access, and partition tolerance) to all observers which are participants in the longest chain partition. The probability of a failure decreases probabilistically over time as the number of confirmations on the longest chain increases. There are degenerate cases such as the 51% attack where Byzantine failure occurs.

The continuous citation of the CAP theorem is ridiculous.  BitCoin does not have partition tolerance according to the cap theorem "the system continues to operate despite arbitrary partitioning due to network failures"  BitCoin does not operate in the presence of arbitrary network failures, this it categorically wrong.  No cryptocurrency can operate while partitioned, they can recover from partitions but they cannot operate while partitioned.  CAP does not apply to any cryptocurrency ever, repeating it at all is absolutely absurd.

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Note the double-spending on a minority chain is not a Byzantine failure, because by definition the minority chain is invalid.

There is no such thing as absolute anything in the universe, thus arguing that Byzantine fault tolerance is not universal is a vacuous assertion. Byzantine fault tolerance is defined for a system and the defined objectivity of the system, not for universal absolutism.

, so I have now expended the time to research, think, and hopefully correctly define it.  Your design's frame-of-reference for Byzantine fault tolerant consensus is majority of the vote by the "voters" which have locked a suitable amount of coins (value). We must determine the (game theory) objectivity of this frame-of-reference and the impacts within the CAP theorem.

Again, the CAP theorem states that all three states cannot simultaneously be achieved so by the nature that RaiBlocks, in addition to any crypto currency, does not claim it can operate while partitioned, this means at most we're claiming 2 out of 3 which by definition satisfies the CAP theorem and no cryptocurrency out there is violating it.  Please read more before commenting.

This ad hominem noise again.

Nothing ad-hominem about it, you're wrong because it's an incorrect conclusion, not because you're the person making it.  I'm sure you're capable of making a correct conclusion.

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Yet another vacuous argument demonstrating that you do not understand that Bitcoin is partition tolerant within its Byzantine fault tolerant objectivity. Byzantine fault tolerance doesn't mean that CAP has to be fulfilled for those observers who are ignoring the longest chain rule or who are unwilling to accept the probabilitistic nature of the expectations (and thus the fault tolerance). Within Bitcoin's objectivity of the longest chain, all three of the CAP attributes are attained. And my criticisms of your design are about its ill-defined objectivity.

Let this technical rebuttal be instructive to you on the fact that my skills/expertise/research in this area are higher than you apparently assume (given your condescending remarks and your continual unwillingness to accept that 3 experts gmaxwell, monsterer, and myself have come into your thread and graciously tried to explain that your design has serious flaws).

The rest of your reply really seemed to start going off the rails of rational logic. But I will try to find the desire to reply to it point-by-point after I cool down from the lashing of your condescending assumptions above.

I'm sure you'll have no problem writing up another post Wink
198  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 14, 2015, 08:45:58 AM
As monsterer and I have been alluding to up thread

Monsterer and I have been having discussions and you may not be in as much agreement as you believe.

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afaics you have not definitively stated the frame-of-reference—employed by your ("every UTXO output has its own block chain")

Those words are in quotes though it is not factually a quotation.

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design—for Byzantine fault tolerant consensus

There is no such thing as Byzantine fault tolerance since the byzantine problem is stated in terms of separation of communication a.k.a. network partitioning.  Only after partitions have been merged can a final conclusion be reached for instance bitcoin isn't tolerant against partitioning since if the network was partitioned and each separate segment was generate separate block chains, a conclusion as to which is the longest couldn't be reached until the partitions were merged and the results compared, hence it would no longer by a byzantine problem.  Please read up more on the topic before commenting on them.

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, so I have now expended the time to research, think, and hopefully correctly define it.  Your design's frame-of-reference for Byzantine fault tolerant consensus is majority of the vote by the "voters" which have locked a suitable amount of coins (value). We must determine the (game theory) objectivity of this frame-of-reference and the impacts within the CAP theorem.

Again, the CAP theorem states that all three states cannot simultaneously be achieved so by the nature that RaiBlocks, in addition to any crypto currency, does not claim it can operate while partitioned, this means at most we're claiming 2 out of 3 which by definition satisfies the CAP theorem and no cryptocurrency out there is violating it.  Please read more before commenting.

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The record of who are the majority throughout the history of time must be recorded in the history of the consensus, otherwise there is no consensus about what the majority was and thus what it is now.

That's not correct, the consensus now is all that matters.  For instance as humans we don't have a record of all governments and all decisions going back to the beginning of time yet we have a consensus about what we agree to at this moment.  A historical record can be interesting but the only thing that matters is consensus at this current point in time, only historians care about anything else and currency isn't about a history lesson.

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For example, if someone controlled sufficient coins in the past (greater than the number of coins that were locked for voting in the current public consensus history), they could erase the entire history from that point,

This seems to be erroneous.  Historical consensus cannot override contemporary consensus, contemporary consensus is the only thing that matters with RaiBlocks.  The only way to erase history is for the current consensus to flip blocks a.k.a. a true, >50% attack.

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by publishing a new block for their historical UTXO (even if they historically spent them subsequent to the historical block where they were UTXO) locking their coins for voting and then voting to make their revision of history the dominant majority.

This is describing a >50% attack, all cryptocurrencies are vulnerable to this though RaiBlocks give a stronger guarantee.  With RaiBlocks >50% of the MARKET CAP needs to vote to flip, with PoW only 50% of the mining strength needs to flip.  If you look at BitCoin's market cap of ~4billion, and ask: could you gain majority mining power with ~2 billion in mining hardware?  Absolutely.  PoW is a weaker guarantee.

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The major distinction from (and flaw compared to) Bitcoin's PoW is that competing versions of history are not compared by the accumulated amount of resources committed to each version. In Bitcoin's PoW, the longest chain accumulates all the PoW in the chain (thus unlike in your design, in PoW there can only be one longest one and thus only one majority!), but afaics in your design all the coins locked subsequent to a fork revision of history are not accumulated in comparison.


Again, looking back to the beginning of time is unnecessary, whether Tlok in his cave in 5000BC got a majority vote is of no consequence today when I spend my money, no one cares, it's just slow.

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I suppose you could propose to accumulate locked coin-days-destroyed, but the problem is there is not objective measure of "days destroyed" that the adversary can't game. Or you could propose to accumulate some other resource as a measure of the longest chain which could not be readily fabricated by the adversary, but I would have to analyze a specific proposal (which afaics you have not yet made).

This speculation is unnecessary since I'm making no such claim.  The algorithm stands as-is.

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Essentially the issue is long-term "nothing at stake".

What's at stake is market cap which is why voting is given, in proportion to balance held, to value holders.  Only people holding value in the network truly care about its health.  A >50% attack definitely does have something at stake, they're destroying the currency that they own 50% of.  Would a bitcoin holder who held 2 billion in bitcoin start DDOSSing the network or mining in forks?  Absolutely not, they'd lose their investment.

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Now I've read up thread that you claim that you don't even store a record of the vote history

As has already been fully and completely demonstrated, a fully history is unnecessary.

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but not only does this appear to show you are somewhat myopic about how your design functions, and also as monsterer pointed out

Monsterer and you have fewer agreements than you believe.

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, if you don't store the history then there is no way for a node which is not omniscient to know what the objective consensus is without invoking trust (and decentralized currency must be trustless else it devolves in numerous ways to centralized currency).

That's true, in fact most people who use bitcoin are invoking trust because they trust the wallet they're using to correctly evaluate which chain has the highest block work and not log the password to their private keys.  As much as people want to believe otherwise, all cryptocurrencies have a degree of trust when downloading a wallet and bootstrapping to the network.

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About whether you are storing the voting implicitly, afaics your design must record as transactions which coins are locked and the implicit entangling of cross-spending between chains implicitly records which chains elected which forks, but I guess you are correct that voting is not even implicitly stored if voters (defined by locked coins) are not injectively (and non-surjectively) mapped to chains (i.e. if voters don't correspond to chains).

This seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the system as a whole.  Voters are a one-to-one function of chains, though it's not onto since accounts can designate a representative to vote with their stake on their behalf.

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So the "partial ordering" in your design is really unknowable levels of durable partitioning

Since all chains are replicated to all peers, there is no partitioning.  Again, this system, like all cryptos does not insure correctness in the case of partitioning.  I don't know why the CAP theorem ever needs to be brought up, no one ever claims their crypto works when the network is partitioned.  If you ever cite the CAP theorem again, please directly and succinctly cite where someone is specifically and directly saying their crypto will work in the case of network partition, otherwise you're technobabbling.

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and thus non-durable consistency,

Durability is ensured as much as durability can be assured in any distributed system, by broadcasting the transactions to all nodes.  Do you mean Durability in the sense of ACID transactions or is this a new definition of durability?

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because there is no way to guarantee anything about confirmation and objectivity of the majority consensus now or anytime into the future.

I'll defer commentary on this conclusion until proper reading is performed.

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The only way around this is to rely on "weak subjectivitiy"

That may not be the only way, it's impossible to prove unknowns; this is a flawed conclusion.

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where trust in the social consensus provides the long-term checkpoints. Problem with that is there may be disagreement in the social consensus in that case usually "might makes right". However in that case, Bitcoin is also subject to "might makes right" where the 51% attack can revise history as well. If you don't store records of voting short-term, then there is no trustless objectivity from last "weak subjectivity" check point. Without recording the voting, the confirmation of a transaction is unknown (nebulous).

Since your coin is named RaiBlocks, perhaps you had seen the following before:

https://blog.ethereum.org/2014/11/25/proof-stake-learned-love-weak-subjectivity/

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perhaps the best example is the Rai stones, where a tribe in Yap essentially maintained a blockchain recording changes to the ownership of stones

Even if you do record the voting, then the problem is there is "nothing at stake" in the short-term and thus history can be rewritten in the short-term. The various proof-of-stake algorithms attempt to penalize short-term adversarial behavior to eliminate this "nothing at stake" hole.

Again, history cannot be rewritten without a >50% stake in contemporary consensus in which case 50% of the market cap is voting to destroy their investment.

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Assuming you work out how to penalize short-term adversarial activity (and not just rely on the non-quantitative game theory myopia that adversaries won't be self-interested because they devalue the coin and thus their holdings in the coin)

You're stating this is myopic but this is the exact rhetoric people use when rebutting against why miners wouldn't start mining forks in to BitCoin.  Destroying the protocol destroys future profit in the protocol hence it's in the miner's and voter's best interest to come to consensus instead of creating volatility.  This seems to be a fundamentally flawed application of game theory.

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to remove "nothing at stake", rely on "weak subjectivity" of social consensus for long-term check points, work out how to incentivize fast recording and propagation of majority confirmation, then you will have achieved some form of block chain scaling, but until those specifics are revealed (not yet invented?), then we can only speculate. One thing that appears to be clear in your RaiBlocks design is that every full node must receive and verify every transaction in your system, so that aspect of scaling hasn't been improved.

Btw, I will tell you that I worked out those design issues already. Essentially my comments above are directing you to my design.
199  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 14, 2015, 04:11:35 AM
Let me know if you have any detailed questions about RaiBlocks.  I tried to answer them the best I could but I sense you see some outstanding issues that need addressing.

When I have free time I will get back to your "block lattice" (originally "block list") thread, but I don't have time right now. Appears the issue will be something about having multiple partitions and prevention of double-spends globally and/or the ability to send a transaction to any block list at any time.

Multiple partitions don't come for free. You give up something. This is what I meant about the CAP theorem.

Multiple partitions is odd, RaiBlocks, like all cryptocurrencies doesn't operate while partitioned.  Please expand, you can be very specific when you find time.
200  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Block lattice on: November 13, 2015, 11:41:34 PM
It could pick Y -> X -> HEAD or X -> Y -> HEAD but it picks one, signs each, and announces to the network the order A decided for its own chain.

I also threw together some animations for the confirmation and fork consensus procedure.  Let me know what you think.
https://github.com/clemahieu/raiblocks/wiki/Double-spending-and-confirmation

Doesn't this mean that A needs to be online at the time of receipt in order to convey it's decision to the network?

If A is offline, UTXO entries accumulate.  Eventually when A is online to spend, their wallet will look at the UTXO set and pull in blocks they missed while offline.

Sending is two phases:  
Send: Deduct delta from source balance, mark block as receivable in UTXO set  
Receive: Remove block from UTXO set, increase destination balance by delta.  
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