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181  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 25, 2017, 04:07:45 PM
Sad to hear about the delay but in the long term it will be good for Gulden, in the short term i have pulled a few btc away in buy support as I see other traders have done because bitcoin is going to break $4500 this week. I think if traders are smart we can use this break to get Gulden under 2000 because of the delay in development and another increase in bitcoin price.

Aim for another 1500-2000 sat range will be a really good bargain if you already own bitcoin.

That's needs to happen within weeks then, some of the volume (no idea how much, can be 30%,50%,70%) will move to NLG-EUR exchange. That is if nocks realese the exchange in SEP

The order of releases this year:

1. Guldentrader exchange, they going for first mover advantage and is expected to go live 1st October.
2. Nocks exchange end of October or November
3. PoW2 and SegSig as a xmas present.

December and January is the worst times to release. They should wait until March and continue with other development.
182  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 24, 2017, 06:24:10 PM

Maybe something will go right for Gulden in the future but timing, marketing, large investors etc are in a sad state of affairs.


Absolutely. A good coin but I don't give two ****s for the way the devs are handling things.





I would suggest the devs wait until March 2018 to release if they can't make it before December and with all the excuses for the delay, March might be when it is ready, the Euro exchanges will help the coin without the development in the short term.
183  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 24, 2017, 11:12:01 AM
https://dev.gulden.com/august-development-update


August Development Update

We are now quite a bit past the initial release estimate for PoW² and while we are almost ready for release we are still not quite there yet.
Understandably some are quite anxious to see the release happen, as we ourselves are too, however good development cannot be rushed so we must be patient for a bit longer.

As we understand that it can be more difficult for those outside the project without the knowledge that we have on the inside of what is going on, and that in the absence of this information some start to assume the worst, we thought we would give a bit more information to those that are waiting.


Sequence of events

I) SEGWIT – OCT 2016


As some of you may know ‘SegWit’ has been a long ongoing argument in the Bitcoin community for quite some time now.
It first came onto the Gulden radar when we released 1.6.0 last year, with quite a lot of people questioning whether we would activate it etc. – at the time we updated our codebase to contain SegWit but stopped short of activating it.

I don’t want to get into a massive discussion on this but at the time our reasoning for not activating SegWit was as follows:

1) There was no immediate pressing need for us to do so.
2) It was unclear whether it would ever activate for Bitcoin themselves in its current form or whether they would eventually give up and implement it differently.

3) The current implementation of SegWit as done by the Bitcoin team was non-optimal – for our use case.

While we can understand why the Bitcoin team did SegWit the way they did with a focus on backwards compatibility at all costs (even though there is argument to be had that perhaps they should have done it differently).
We don’t believe it makes sense for us (or really any other currency that isn’t Bitcoin) to copy it, we don’t have the same backwards compatible requirements that they do so temporarily having larger transactions just to be backwards compatible doesn’t make sense. Likewise it doesn’t make sense to us to not take the opportunity to also implement other pending improvements to the transaction format.

We did not want to activate something that was not optimal, but we also did not want to spend time creating a ‘better’ SegWit only to find that the Bitcoin people do the same and we could have just used their work for ‘free’, as a small team we need to try and work efficiently as possible and be strategic about what we spend our work time on.

So while we internally had a list of things we wanted to see if/when we activated SegWit we adopted a “wait and see” attitude to see what the next move from Bitcoin would be.

II) POW² – MAY 2017

After a huge amount of work to develop and prove the concept possible in May 2017 we released the whitepaper for PoW², the idea was to finalise development and head straight to releasing PoW² as a hardfork – i.e. all older clients would no longer be able to partake in the network after a certain fixed block height, as we have done for previous updates with delta.

Part of the PoW² concept requires the creation of a new ‘address type’, and while this can technically be ‘shoe horned’ into the existing transaction format, doing so is not the best way to do it, and we want to try and avoid introducing ugly hacks like this into the codebase in favour of keeping a clean codebase.

III) SEGSIG – JUNE 2017

While working on the optimal way to implement the new address type, it became obvious that many parts of the codebase that need to change to accommodate this are the same parts that are affected by SegWit.

At around about the same time after watching SegWit for some time, it become clear that though the Bitcoin team had still failed to activate SegWit there was now a clear determination to do so and that one way or another SegWit in its current form -will- eventually be activated, we therefore had to at this point give up hope that the Bitcoin team might develop a better SegWit which makes the sort of changes we were hoping for and instead accept that if we wanted this it would have to be something we do ourselves.

And so the concept of SegSig was born, we were faced with two possible paths forward:

1) Release PoW² hardfork as originally planned. (including extensive testing)
Go through the work of having everyone including exchanges and mining pools upgrade to it.
Produce SegSig as a hardfork, which involves changing a lot of the same code as PoW²
Put our testers through extensive testing once again.
Go through the work of having everyone upgrade for a second time in a short time period.



2) Combine PoW² and SegSig together into one release, despite possible delays and release it all at once.

This was not an easy decision, I am not a fan of trying to do too many things in one release as this has the potential to get out of control and normally I would prefer to try and seperate things into multiple small releases. As a developer it would have been easier for me to take option 1.

However there were multiple special factors here:

1) Both releases change similar parts of the code.
2) Both releases are major and require extensive testing – with major overlap in what needs to be tested.
3) Both releases break backwards compatibility and as such require coordinated efforts to get all services updated correctly.

Some of the main points on which this decision hinged:

1) I felt that having our testers test the same area of code twice in a row in quick proximity was likely to cause “tester fatigue” and that bugs were more likely to creep into both releases as a result, that by instead doing one release we would likely have much better quality testing.
2) Each release puts significant strain on us as the developers as well as our “support community” in order to handle the large volume of update related enquiries – I felt that a single release would ease the burden here compared to two subsequent releases.
3) Multiple mandatory releases in a row has the potential for “upsetting” third parties like exchanges, and I felt it would be beneficial to avoid putting them through this if possible.
4) A single release would be overall better in terms of use of my time and therefore in the long term better for the project.

A final thing that came up in our internal discussion was that our user base has completely exploded over the last year, and the release of the PoW² caused an even more overwhelmingly positive response than we anticipated, with installs absolutely skyrocketing.
Comparing how many users we have now to our previous releases and how much work it was to get people to upgrade even when we were smaller it started to become obvious to us that our previous plan of “PoW² as a mandatory hardfork from block xxx – everyone must upgrade before that” was no longer good enough, would not be a pleasant experience for all these users and that at this point we are large enough that we need to do better.

Taking these into consideration, and based on experiences from previous releases I came to the decision that, despite it being harder for me and despite the possibility of delays, a single release combining the two was ultimately the right thing to do.
Further it was decided that instead of a simple hardfork the upgrade would take place in multiple stages, allowing the best of both worlds – 1) People to start participating in PoW² as soon as possible 2) A period of backwards compatibility so that there is time for people to upgrade naturally (at this point we were considering also that the status of our iOS acceptance was unknown and wanted to allow as much upgrade time for iOS users as possible) and it doesn’t all have to be forced before a certain block.

IV) THE NATURE OF DELAYS ON LARGE PROJECTS

Unfortunately I must admit I underestimated the amount of work involved in doing SegSig correctly, this happened on two fronts.

1) I have been aware of some small inefficiencies in the bitcoin transaction format for quite some time and this was always on our internal roadmap and what SegSig was intended to address (other than the transaction malleability issue).
I had never spent massive amounts of time looking into the transaction format. Once I started the work to correct these small inefficiencies some other less obvious inefficiencies became apparent to me, there was a lot more scope for improvement than I thought, and as I looked into those even more appeared, and so there was a bit of feature creep.
2) Despite the changes to the transaction format itself being “relatively small” it has knock on effects for an extremely large part of the codebase, the codebase has an extensive amount of parts that make assumptions about or make use of the transaction format code and need to be adjusted for the changes, While individually these changes are easy to make, I underestimated a bit just how many of them there would be..

In terms of the multi stage upgrade, I also slightly underestimated the work involved. PoW² is already a very complex beast to implement and having the backwards compatible change complicates it a bit more. I was prepared for this but there were some unexpected ‘incompatibilities’ with the existing Bitcoin codebase that complicates this, theoretically this complication shouldn’t have existed but it’s just an implementation detail of how Bitcoin handles things – and this is unfortunately the nature of Software Development that these things happen.

V) WRAPPING UP

And so here we are, a part of me regrets not sticking to doing PoW² as a solo release, it certainly would have been easier, in the short term it would have made a lot of people happier and instead of feeling bad about “letting people down” right now I could instead be soaking up all the praise. 

However a larger part of me knows that even now with the delays this would have been the wrong thing to do, in the long term picture these delays are a very short period of time and when we are enjoying the benefits that they bring in the long term I think everyone will come to appreciate the long term game we are playing.

And so, while I am sorry there are delays and while I apologise to anyone who is disappointed by these delays I am not sorry that I have taken this decision.

While we have not released yet, the finish line is in sight and we will be there soon, stay tuned for more news to come.



It's good they gave us feedback, lets say they are telling the truth and the development is finished on the 1st October. I am sure you will all agree this is what I would consider soon? Add another 2 months for testing which takes the release to the 1st December.
December and January is the worst times to release any project, the 1.6.0 update did nothing to the price last year and it was a large update that went unnoticed but that is how it goes with a December release.

Maybe something will go right for Gulden in the future but timing, marketing, large investors etc are in a poor state of affairs.




The release was in october and in october was the big pump 😉

Who the fuck is this guy?

1st December 2016
https://dev.gulden.com/1-6-0-its-time/   
184  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 24, 2017, 11:03:15 AM
https://dev.gulden.com/august-development-update


August Development Update

We are now quite a bit past the initial release estimate for PoW² and while we are almost ready for release we are still not quite there yet.
Understandably some are quite anxious to see the release happen, as we ourselves are too, however good development cannot be rushed so we must be patient for a bit longer.

As we understand that it can be more difficult for those outside the project without the knowledge that we have on the inside of what is going on, and that in the absence of this information some start to assume the worst, we thought we would give a bit more information to those that are waiting.


Sequence of events

I) SEGWIT – OCT 2016


As some of you may know ‘SegWit’ has been a long ongoing argument in the Bitcoin community for quite some time now.
It first came onto the Gulden radar when we released 1.6.0 last year, with quite a lot of people questioning whether we would activate it etc. – at the time we updated our codebase to contain SegWit but stopped short of activating it.

I don’t want to get into a massive discussion on this but at the time our reasoning for not activating SegWit was as follows:

1) There was no immediate pressing need for us to do so.
2) It was unclear whether it would ever activate for Bitcoin themselves in its current form or whether they would eventually give up and implement it differently.

3) The current implementation of SegWit as done by the Bitcoin team was non-optimal – for our use case.

While we can understand why the Bitcoin team did SegWit the way they did with a focus on backwards compatibility at all costs (even though there is argument to be had that perhaps they should have done it differently).
We don’t believe it makes sense for us (or really any other currency that isn’t Bitcoin) to copy it, we don’t have the same backwards compatible requirements that they do so temporarily having larger transactions just to be backwards compatible doesn’t make sense. Likewise it doesn’t make sense to us to not take the opportunity to also implement other pending improvements to the transaction format.

We did not want to activate something that was not optimal, but we also did not want to spend time creating a ‘better’ SegWit only to find that the Bitcoin people do the same and we could have just used their work for ‘free’, as a small team we need to try and work efficiently as possible and be strategic about what we spend our work time on.

So while we internally had a list of things we wanted to see if/when we activated SegWit we adopted a “wait and see” attitude to see what the next move from Bitcoin would be.

II) POW² – MAY 2017

After a huge amount of work to develop and prove the concept possible in May 2017 we released the whitepaper for PoW², the idea was to finalise development and head straight to releasing PoW² as a hardfork – i.e. all older clients would no longer be able to partake in the network after a certain fixed block height, as we have done for previous updates with delta.

Part of the PoW² concept requires the creation of a new ‘address type’, and while this can technically be ‘shoe horned’ into the existing transaction format, doing so is not the best way to do it, and we want to try and avoid introducing ugly hacks like this into the codebase in favour of keeping a clean codebase.

III) SEGSIG – JUNE 2017

While working on the optimal way to implement the new address type, it became obvious that many parts of the codebase that need to change to accommodate this are the same parts that are affected by SegWit.

At around about the same time after watching SegWit for some time, it become clear that though the Bitcoin team had still failed to activate SegWit there was now a clear determination to do so and that one way or another SegWit in its current form -will- eventually be activated, we therefore had to at this point give up hope that the Bitcoin team might develop a better SegWit which makes the sort of changes we were hoping for and instead accept that if we wanted this it would have to be something we do ourselves.

And so the concept of SegSig was born, we were faced with two possible paths forward:

1) Release PoW² hardfork as originally planned. (including extensive testing)
Go through the work of having everyone including exchanges and mining pools upgrade to it.
Produce SegSig as a hardfork, which involves changing a lot of the same code as PoW²
Put our testers through extensive testing once again.
Go through the work of having everyone upgrade for a second time in a short time period.



2) Combine PoW² and SegSig together into one release, despite possible delays and release it all at once.

This was not an easy decision, I am not a fan of trying to do too many things in one release as this has the potential to get out of control and normally I would prefer to try and seperate things into multiple small releases. As a developer it would have been easier for me to take option 1.

However there were multiple special factors here:

1) Both releases change similar parts of the code.
2) Both releases are major and require extensive testing – with major overlap in what needs to be tested.
3) Both releases break backwards compatibility and as such require coordinated efforts to get all services updated correctly.

Some of the main points on which this decision hinged:

1) I felt that having our testers test the same area of code twice in a row in quick proximity was likely to cause “tester fatigue” and that bugs were more likely to creep into both releases as a result, that by instead doing one release we would likely have much better quality testing.
2) Each release puts significant strain on us as the developers as well as our “support community” in order to handle the large volume of update related enquiries – I felt that a single release would ease the burden here compared to two subsequent releases.
3) Multiple mandatory releases in a row has the potential for “upsetting” third parties like exchanges, and I felt it would be beneficial to avoid putting them through this if possible.
4) A single release would be overall better in terms of use of my time and therefore in the long term better for the project.

A final thing that came up in our internal discussion was that our user base has completely exploded over the last year, and the release of the PoW² caused an even more overwhelmingly positive response than we anticipated, with installs absolutely skyrocketing.
Comparing how many users we have now to our previous releases and how much work it was to get people to upgrade even when we were smaller it started to become obvious to us that our previous plan of “PoW² as a mandatory hardfork from block xxx – everyone must upgrade before that” was no longer good enough, would not be a pleasant experience for all these users and that at this point we are large enough that we need to do better.

Taking these into consideration, and based on experiences from previous releases I came to the decision that, despite it being harder for me and despite the possibility of delays, a single release combining the two was ultimately the right thing to do.
Further it was decided that instead of a simple hardfork the upgrade would take place in multiple stages, allowing the best of both worlds – 1) People to start participating in PoW² as soon as possible 2) A period of backwards compatibility so that there is time for people to upgrade naturally (at this point we were considering also that the status of our iOS acceptance was unknown and wanted to allow as much upgrade time for iOS users as possible) and it doesn’t all have to be forced before a certain block.

IV) THE NATURE OF DELAYS ON LARGE PROJECTS

Unfortunately I must admit I underestimated the amount of work involved in doing SegSig correctly, this happened on two fronts.

1) I have been aware of some small inefficiencies in the bitcoin transaction format for quite some time and this was always on our internal roadmap and what SegSig was intended to address (other than the transaction malleability issue).
I had never spent massive amounts of time looking into the transaction format. Once I started the work to correct these small inefficiencies some other less obvious inefficiencies became apparent to me, there was a lot more scope for improvement than I thought, and as I looked into those even more appeared, and so there was a bit of feature creep.
2) Despite the changes to the transaction format itself being “relatively small” it has knock on effects for an extremely large part of the codebase, the codebase has an extensive amount of parts that make assumptions about or make use of the transaction format code and need to be adjusted for the changes, While individually these changes are easy to make, I underestimated a bit just how many of them there would be..

In terms of the multi stage upgrade, I also slightly underestimated the work involved. PoW² is already a very complex beast to implement and having the backwards compatible change complicates it a bit more. I was prepared for this but there were some unexpected ‘incompatibilities’ with the existing Bitcoin codebase that complicates this, theoretically this complication shouldn’t have existed but it’s just an implementation detail of how Bitcoin handles things – and this is unfortunately the nature of Software Development that these things happen.

V) WRAPPING UP

And so here we are, a part of me regrets not sticking to doing PoW² as a solo release, it certainly would have been easier, in the short term it would have made a lot of people happier and instead of feeling bad about “letting people down” right now I could instead be soaking up all the praise. 

However a larger part of me knows that even now with the delays this would have been the wrong thing to do, in the long term picture these delays are a very short period of time and when we are enjoying the benefits that they bring in the long term I think everyone will come to appreciate the long term game we are playing.

And so, while I am sorry there are delays and while I apologise to anyone who is disappointed by these delays I am not sorry that I have taken this decision.

While we have not released yet, the finish line is in sight and we will be there soon, stay tuned for more news to come.



It's good they gave us feedback, lets say they are telling the truth and the development is finished on the 1st October. I am sure you will all agree this is what I would consider soon? Add another 2 months for testing which takes the release to the 1st December.
December and January is the worst times to release any project, the 1.6.0 update did nothing to the price last year and it was a large update that went unnoticed but that is how it goes with a December release.

Maybe something will go right for Gulden in the future but timing, marketing, large investors etc are in a sad state of affairs.


185  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 18, 2017, 01:37:19 PM
Just plunged into this one.


Pros:
1) I like the app
2) I like their web site
3) Of course the idea is brilliant
4) They are taking their time


Cons:
Marketing skills are so, so but i guess they kinda want to stay low profile and do it the right way. Which is my way to live my life anyways and i was born in the mid 60 (sh*t lol)
I've been doing web marketing/web mastering since 97. New to all the crypto stuff. Even tho i had some bitcoins back in 2010 and bought stupid goods online with them.
Dick...

I think the same way, gulden has a future

Cons:

Do not visit the slack of the gulden, its like a cult ask a question the dont like its negative. Specialy Rijk and some other early investors. If you say you sold some guldens then shit hits the fan. Lots of users that are critical are banned. Thats not a good thing.

Why market to the poor and complain when they sell? Poor people like you are what makes the value of this coin die when you sell. Wealthy investors have a long term view and don't prematurely ejaculate and sell every time the price goes up a little.

When the developers zzzzzzzz deliver zzzzzzzzzzzzzz on PoW2 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz and Segwit zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz in 2 years we will see plenty wealthy investors jumping in here.
186  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: August 14, 2017, 01:53:34 AM
Gulden is here to stay. The same shit was being spouted in 2014, 2015, 2016 and now. Next year I will be hearing the same comments when Gulden is 50 Euro cent after reaching 1 Euro and the world is coming to an end.
This means gulden has enough guts to prove all speculations about its disappearance from the crypto world totally wrong. Though it is not showing any extra ordinary performance but still many gulden lovers are there to support it. Let’s see what happens to it by the end of the year.

In my opinion they have bitten off more then they can chew with his release. PoW2 and SegSig, coins with much larger dev teams would take 2 years to do such a project.

I don't see how the dev team dreamed up a July launch which was the new changed date from April. I lost a bet with litesire by giving the dev team a extra 3 months. When they added SegSig to the project I knew I was screwed when it came to the July release date.

August, September, October... will pass us by and the community will be left in a state of shock and dissolutionment while the rest the crypto world is riding the bitcoin wave.

This is why the Gulden ranking is being crushed and the silence from the dev team is crushing hopes and dreams daily.
187  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: July 22, 2017, 10:10:39 AM
Gulden will see +10000 before the year end. Accumulation has been taking place between 2800 and 4000 for a good while.

Considering the two major releases and the return of the new iOS wallet it's going to get hairy real quickly.

It could dip into the 2000s one more time before the next major move for the currency. Stay on the sidelines or buy, sellers will be losers.

Hope you are right

Litesire is a old poster and one of the only ones I don't consider a troll. He was right about Gulden many times where other posters want you to dump your coins.

The 2000 event has taken place today, with a low of 2378. Congratulations to those who had buy orders at this level, once Gulden moves out of the 2000s and passed 3500 we won't see the 2000s again for
the rest of 2017 unless bitcoin goes to +$4000.

This is the last buying opportunity for the year and it could last 1 day, the weekend or two weeks.



Trader lost patience and wanted to invest in another project or someone sold out of desperation.
A combination of loss of faith of PoW2 launch this year and lack of price movement would of been motivation to dump.

Litesire you are very lucky you won't be paying me 50000 nlg for the release date bet. Next time I will add on 6 months to the devs timeline.
188  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: July 17, 2017, 07:09:19 PM
Is SegSig coming in the same release as PoW2? The roadmap has them as separate?
189  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: July 11, 2017, 08:10:01 AM
All coins dumping and Gulden isn't immune, if PoW2 is released this year we will see a change in price.
190  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: July 01, 2017, 05:50:04 AM
Traders know in their minds that Prime has been a project since 2015, it took 2 years to write a whitepaper. It will take another 2 to 3 years for the development.

It will be August or September. Always take what they say on the roadmap and add 2 months, if they update it to August next week then it will be October or November.

It won't be 2 years.
191  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: June 27, 2017, 10:54:32 AM
There os a big difference between 5 to 15 years

Hard-core fans saying they'll hodl for 15 years.

Delay after delay in "better than Bitcoin" anti-double-spending mechanism.

You have to admire their optimism.

Litesire gets lucky on our bet. This won't be out until August with them adding Segwit.
192  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: June 23, 2017, 04:44:37 AM
This community is dirt poor for the time being, but at least this makes it cheap for investors to get in. Buying 0.1% of the supply is not that difficult at these prices.

Gulden was meant to be the peoples coin but will end up with the rich, the transition can't be stopped. Until the transition is complete it will be stuck at the heels of lesser coins.

It's normal for any economy. Top 1% will own 50% , majority are after quick returns
193  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: June 16, 2017, 07:02:16 PM
Litesire you lucky dog !

No winners with our bet as this confirms my worst fears of a August release but this news makes up for it. Gulden going to be a leader in blockchain tech and we are all winners for it!!!  Grin Grin
194  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: June 13, 2017, 06:36:13 AM
Gulden Set To Implement PoW² In July: Leading Developer


Looks like somebody lost his bet.

Show me the money litesire, show me the money!

Can the community on slack confirm if testing on PoW² has started? July is coming fast.
195  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: June 02, 2017, 05:13:15 PM
Gulden Set To Implement PoW² In July: Leading Developer


Looks like somebody lost his bet.

Show me the money litesire, show me the money!
196  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: May 16, 2017, 09:37:26 AM
It's May and the whitepaper has not been released. Traders are pricing in a 4th quarter Prime release.
197  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: May 11, 2017, 08:06:18 AM

That is good news that Prime will be backed up with a whitepaper, this does mean it's not masternodes and is something fresh. Litesire and I both lose the bet because the development will only be done after July, if the whitepaper is only being released this month.
198  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: April 27, 2017, 04:16:46 PM
Time to place bets?

Prime release.

Developers say May.
I am saying July.

I want to open up some betting with about 5 people.

10k says it will be July and those that say May must bet 10k against me. I am prepared to bet 50k on > 1st July release.

I will take that bet Smiley

I bet 10k that Prime (whatever that might be) will not be released in May but will be released before July.

June month no one wins the bet. 10k for < 1st June. This is what the developers are saying.

> 1st August bet is also off because then we all losers.

Count me in for this bet. I will risk 50 000 that the devs will deliver before July.
Will send you a PM to prove you have the funds and not wasting my time.

Litesire you have lost the bet , if you lucky Prime will come in June but if I had to bet again I would say August. They wasted time on another wallet.  Angry Angry . This is having a negative affect on the market.

https://developer.gulden.com/blog/
199  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: April 15, 2017, 07:20:01 AM
Time to place bets?

Prime release.

Developers say May.
I am saying July.

I want to open up some betting with about 5 people.

10k says it will be July and those that say May must bet 10k against me. I am prepared to bet 50k on > 1st July release.

I will take that bet Smiley

I bet 10k that Prime (whatever that might be) will not be released in May but will be released before July.

June month no one wins the bet. 10k for < 1st June. This is what the developers are saying.

> 1st August bet is also off because then we all losers.

Count me in for this bet. I will risk 50 000 that the devs will deliver before July.
Will send you a PM to prove you have the funds and not wasting my time.

Count me in for the bet, can you prove you have a address with more then 50k and do a transaction of exactly 17 nlg from that address?



The deal with litesire has been confirmed for 50 000 NLG.

I give Litesire 50 000 NLG if Prime is released in April or May as per the developers promise.
I receive 50 000 NLG if Prime is released in July.

June and > 1st August the bet does not count.
200  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is Gulden a good investment? on: April 08, 2017, 09:21:01 AM
Time to place bets?

Prime release.

Developers say May.
I am saying July.

I want to open up some betting with about 5 people.

10k says it will be July and those that say May must bet 10k against me. I am prepared to bet 50k on > 1st July release.

I will take that bet Smiley

I bet 10k that Prime (whatever that might be) will not be released in May but will be released before July.

June month no one wins the bet. 10k for < 1st June. This is what the developers are saying.

> 1st August bet is also off because then we all losers.
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