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181  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / BTC timeline on: August 19, 2012, 02:10:22 PM
Is there a timeline of history of BTC? Something like


Quote
Mm-dd-2008 Satoshi published his academic paper on BTC link
Mm-dd-2008  original forum created on sourceforge

Mm-dd-2009 First BTC client is released on …link  ; first blocked mined


Mm-dd-2009 old forum closed. Bitcointalk created


Mm-dd-2009 mtgox created


Mm-dd-2009 BTC price hit 0.1 first time massive ask


Mm-dd-2009 BTC price hit 1

….
Mm-dd-2010 Satoshi became inactive in BTC community

Mm-dd-2010  .. bought  a pizza with 10K BTC   transaction link thread link

Mm-dd-2011  Silk road created adopting BTC as its currency

Mm-dd-2011  mtgox hacked link. Price drop from 32 to 2
Massive leaks of emails and md5 hashed passwords

Mm-dd-2011  bitcoinia created ..
to provide....

Mm-dd-2011  bitcoinia hacked

Mm-dd-2011  bitcoinia hacked again
40k BTC 40K USD lost

Mm-dd-2011  Bitcoin saving and trust created
7% weekly interests. No transparency on how his system works

Mm-dd-2012  Bitcoin saving and trust closed. . Thread link   price drops from 15 to 8
More than 500k BTC involved.
The most popular deposit program closed because of massive withdraw encourage by Micon link.  Pirate published his ways earned so much BTCOR
The largest pozi ever unveiled thanks to Micon's persistent but regular ignored warning. BTC community is in huge list


You could find some history here https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/History
But without many perspective on economics such as bitcoinica, BST or other entertaining gossip such as the 10K pizza

A similar thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=78627.0
182  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does anyone have all the 575 posts satoshi has made on this board? on: August 19, 2012, 01:56:19 PM
As far as I've understood, nothing has been lost:

The posts on the SourceForge forum were lost.

...
Was the old bitcoin.org-forum migrated to this site, and the posts from the old forum carried over to this one?

Yes.

Not self-consistent?
183  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Does anyone have all the 575 posts satoshi has made on this board? on: August 19, 2012, 01:51:22 PM
There will be a class called "History to modern money" to be taught in university 20 years from now and this would be a big big mystery in human history.
184  Economy / Services / Re: [WTS]Dropbox upgrade to 18GB life time for 1BTC on: August 19, 2012, 12:42:22 PM
I decide not to raise price despite the recent crash of USD/BTC rate
185  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS]$20 iTunes gift card for 1.3BTC on: August 19, 2012, 12:40:08 PM
Still open for sale
186  Economy / Lending / Re: Will you reinvest in BS&T if pirate returns your deposit next week? on: August 19, 2012, 10:39:05 AM
That said, I would be pretty surprised if pirate opens up BS&T again after next week's payout. The shitstorm this forum has become is not likely to dissipate simply because people are paid out. Do you really think Micon and Vladimir are going to stop their ponzi incantations merely because all investors have been paid out? Not likely. They would simply say the payout was some kind of elaborate hoax designed to get people to reinvest more money in BS&T before the real scam occurs. No business can operate long term with that level of FUD.

Actually, Micon said he will not accuse pirate again if all loans are paid out this time.

When he does pay everyone back (with interest) will we get a heartfelt appology from Micon and everyone else on team Ponzi?

I will make a youtube video with a straw hat on, a sign that says "I, Bryan Micon, was 100% wrong about the matter of Pirateat40 & Bitcoin Savings & Trust"  

I will then also compose 16 bars into a rap about FUD, and how BurtW was right.  The rap will also touch on inducting Pirateat40 to the BTC hall of fame and will portray Satoshi as a closet cross-dresser from Idaho that makes it big time at Goldman Sachs and recruits some of his friends to start Bitcoin in 2008



I assume you will do the same for me if I am right and you are wrong?
187  Economy / Services / Re: mtgox's "last price" in GBP is clearly wrong on: August 18, 2012, 02:08:06 PM
Don't you know that there's something going on with pirate?
188  Economy / Lending / Re: A list of defaulted loans (list of scammers inside here) on: August 18, 2012, 02:03:57 PM
Add TheLastDovah.He scammed me out of 4 BTC and owed me 5BTC (due to 1BTC of interest) in bad loans.It'a likely he could be using alt accounts.
Interest doesn't count. Or those 2k loan should worth 10K by now
189  Economy / Lending / Re: Will you reinvest in BS&T if pirate returns your deposit next week? on: August 18, 2012, 02:00:05 PM
Don't be delirious, pirate will not return your coins, instead he will sell those 500K coins, which will bring the exchange rate to 0.15-0.20 range, according to MtGox depth table.
If it's a pozi, he should have exchanged the BTC to foreign currency and book the plane ticket plus house there long time ago.
190  Economy / Lending / Will you reinvest in BS&T if pirate returns your deposit next week? on: August 18, 2012, 12:06:24 PM
I suspect pirate will make a second generation of BST with lower interest when he returns all the deposit next week.

I'm neutral in the fight of pozi vs legit.
191  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The reality of BTC that too many (and myself) dont want to believe. on: August 18, 2012, 08:06:19 AM
That would be one more reason for me to use BTC if it's illegal.
192  Economy / Goods / Re: [WTS]$20 iTunes gift card for 1.3BTC on: August 18, 2012, 06:12:44 AM
Still 10 copies left
193  Economy / Lending / Re: A list of defaulted loans (list of scammers inside here) on: August 18, 2012, 01:40:06 AM
Let's see if we need to add pirate here
194  Economy / Lending / Re: Bryan Micon's List of BTC Ponzi Schemes that should not be listed as "Lending" on: August 18, 2012, 01:39:27 AM
1)  It is a mixture of denial and anger that leads to the users who post "Aw man, all this FUD happened so Pirate had to close shop"  - how could this thread prevent the "market arbitrage" from continuing?  did we expose Pirateat40's "secret trading strategy" that if everyone knew about he couldn't make these huge profits?  

1a)  For those just picking this thread up, the Pro-Ponzi group loved the term "FUD" or "Fear, Uncertainty, & Doubt" - a term I believe Pirate gave them to label coherent logic about how BCST operates as a Ponzi Scheme.  

2)  Here is what Pirateat40 changed his OP to in this thread --> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=50822.0  


Quote from: Pirateat40
After much consideration, I’ve decided to close down Bitcoin Savings & Trust.  

Why?
The decision was based on the general size and overall time required to manage the transactions.  As the fund grew there were larger and larger coin movements which put strain on my reserve accounts and ultimately caused delays on withdraws and the inability to fund orders within my system.  On the 14th I made a final attempt to relieve pressure off the system by reducing the rates I offered for deposits.  In a perfect world this would allow me to hold more coins in reserve outside the system, but instead it only exponentially increased the amount of withdrawals overnight causing mass panic from many of my lenders.

So now what?
I’ve spoken with my clients over the last week and come to an agreement that would allow me to close down my operation within a week.  Currently my reserve (operating wallets) are drained from fulfilling the withdraw spree that happened after the rate drop announcement.  All withdraws at this point will be delayed until Monday when the shutdown process begins..  

At this point I will no longer accept deposits.  Any coins sent into the system as of now will be returned immediately.

When will I get my coins?
Starting Monday I’ll begin systematically closing and withdrawing accounts as coins are transferred.  I don't expect the entire process to last longer than a week. The moment your account is closed you’ll receive your coins plus any interest accrued up to the hour it was sent.

Thanks
I’d like to thank all of my lenders and PPT operators that were a key element in making Bitcoin Savings & Trust a success.  Bitcoin has grown a lot since I started this and want you to know that you were a vital part in helping it grow.

Now, I have a lot of work to do. Stay Tuned

-pirate

BTW, this is all bitlane’s fault.  (j/k you nut)


Again, we are talking classic Ponzi 101.   At the time of collapse, a smart Ponzi schemer will let the marks or "investors" down as easy as possible, stalling for as long as possible to avoid the initial anger and possible retribution from marks who have lost money in the scam.  The excuse as to the closure is almost as hilariously vague as the original description of the BCST scam:

Quote from: Pirateat40
The decision was based on the general size and overall time required to manage the transactions.  As the fund grew there were larger and larger coin movements which put strain on my reserve accounts and ultimately caused delays on withdraws and the inability to fund orders within my system.

Let's dissect this statement:
  • The decision was based on the general size and overall time required to manage the transactions - there exists a BCST website to automatically do the transactions.  Bitcoin has an API
  • As the fund grew there were larger and larger coin movements which put strain on my reserve accounts and ultimately caused delays on withdraws and the inability to fund orders within my system - big coin movements?  put strain on reserves?  inability to fund orders?   vague, lofty language that says nothing of substance.  What are all these coin movements and ability to fund orders anyway?  Pirate never told anyone other than BurtW his investment strategies - why does the fund being too large force it's closure?

and now for the stalling.  And this part is very important to a Ponzi schemer.  The anger some of the scammed "investors" should feel on this day will now be turned into nervousness over the next week, not anger:

Quote from: Pirateat40
So now what?
I’ve spoken with my clients over the last week and come to an agreement that would allow me to close down my operation within a week.  Currently my reserve (operating wallets) are drained from fulfilling the withdraw spree that happened after the rate drop announcement.  All withdraws at this point will be delayed until Monday when the shutdown process begins..  

some vague reasons for not paying all BTC out right now, or at least half, or 25% of what everyone is owed.  Remember his thread is locked and there is almost no way to contact him at this point, save BurtW and Paytob.tc - they likely have contact info but he will stop talking to them soon too.  Maybe then they will give us any info that could lead us to the Dox.  But either way, the After-the-fall-Ponzi-stall is on.


Quote from: Pirateat40
When will I get my coins?
Starting Monday I’ll begin systematically closing and withdrawing accounts as coins are transferred.  I don't expect the entire process to last longer than a week. The moment your account is closed you’ll receive your coins plus any interest accrued up to the hour it was sent.

Yes, starting Monday (not today of course) there will be a closing process.  This process will involve Pirateat40 destroying some Hard Drives, trading BTC for USD & Euro, and booking some plane tickets.  This process will NOT involve the orderly return of BTC funds.  

This is the stall after the fall.  If you are owed $$ from Pirate, a passthrough, a bond, or whatever other fictional vehicle you invested in that is exposed to BCST - it's game over starting now - but you likely won't be angry for a week still because of what the scammer posted.

Witnessed
195  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Let's add up the KNOWN lost bitcoins on: August 17, 2012, 03:04:09 PM
Wow just reading the thread. It's actually 8999 not 9k. He still had 1 BTC.. Wow, just wow
196  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Let's add up the KNOWN lost bitcoins on: August 17, 2012, 02:49:05 PM
9000 +
50
____
9050 BTC

There, fixed it. Wink
You lost 9K BTC?Huh?? WTF are you thinking?  You should've ordered the  10K pizza.
197  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: My bitcoin talk on: August 17, 2012, 08:45:57 AM
A month ago I did a talk on Bitcoin, I published the slides but forgot to post them on this forum O:)

I wish it may interest you. Feedback is welcome

http://lolcathost.org/b/bitcoin-talk.pdf
A 800MH/s solves a block every 2 days or so.
How old is this slide?
198  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Is Bitcoin getting the wrong kind of attention? on: August 17, 2012, 06:57:01 AM
So what?
199  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM... www.mtgix.com ...SCAM - be careful! on: August 17, 2012, 06:12:50 AM
I had to laugh at the 100 bitcoins for only 449.00 and get a 6 percent discount... I wonder how many suckers actually purchase these?

Also, I noticed that their logo is very similar to MT. Gox logo..

Its obvious that these guys spent a lot of effort at getting this site up and running. I hope Mt. Gox wins the battle...

AR
Still up and running.
200  Economy / Services / Re: VPN that works in China on: August 17, 2012, 06:05:09 AM
PMed
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