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181  Economy / Speculation / Re: Hashrate VS Price on: June 13, 2013, 06:02:22 AM
Imagine two identical gold mines, mined by two different companies, both offer stock. Mine Co A has a bunch of labourers with pick-axes and donkeys to pull mine carts, Mine Co B has a drill, dynamite, rail engines, and rock crushers. Obviously Mine Co B's stock will be worth more because they will be more efficient.  

This may be true in the real world but it's not true in Bitcoin world.It would only be true if the mining companies were allowed to mine as much gold as they wanted, but that is not the case in Bitcoin world, you can only mine a set amount per day.

So what would happen is this:

The mine owner would go to Mine Co A, see they only have labourers with pick-axes and donkeys and so tell them "you guys can go mine on the edge of the mine where the rock is soft and the gold is easy to get to, that way you can still get your 100 nuggets per day

The mine owner would go to Mine Co B, see they have all the best stuff and say " because you guys have all the best stuff i'm sending you deep into the mine to work on the hardest rocks that are tough to get out, so you'll also end up getting 100 nuggets per day.

In Bitcoin world company B would NOT be much more valuable than company A, they would be worth the same amount because they both produce exactly the same amount of gold per day/month/year

I am not involved in mining at all so could be completely wrong BUT from the anecdote above it i would probably have to disagree with Frozenlock. This is because:
A hash rate that goes higher and higher means it's harder and more expensive to mine the nuggets. If companies were having to buy newer, tougher more expensive machinery to mine and the nugget stays at $1 you would hit the point where all companies would go bust because the rising cost of the evolving machinery would mean that no one could make a profit, so the price of the nugget would HAVE to keep increasing so that the companies mining were always able to turn a profit.

or to take Frozenlocks example:
"People go deep to mine gold because it's valuable; gold is not valuable because people have to go deep to mine it."

Actually, if it only cost you $1 to go deep and mine that gold you'd be happy selling it for $5, but if it cost you $10k to go mine that gold would you still sell it for $5? No of course not, the price would be over $10k because you'd still have to turn a profit. In a sense he is right that gold is not valuable because people have to go deep to get it, BUT it's value IS and WILL BE determined on how much it costs you to get deep enough to mine it. If you could go out with a snorkel and grab a pearl you'd be happy to sell it cheap, if you had to buy a super yacht and build one of those funky submarines to grab the pearl would you still sell it as cheap? of course not, the bottom line price of the pearl WOULD be determined by the cost of obtaining it.

If the hashrate goes up and up then it means it's becoming harder and more expensive to mine the bitcoins, which means the price will have to increase.
182  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: BTC Entourage on: May 24, 2013, 01:24:51 AM
maybe try to talk to people like this
http://www.newbitcoinworld.com/2013/04/incredible-us-producers-crowdfund.html
they may well be able to offer help or advice, if they made a documentary then surely they'd be decent at making a "reality" tv show or helping in some way

"Bitcoin crowdfunding has been used by U.S. co-producers Daronimax Media and 44th Floor Productions to finance the feature documentary from director Nicholas Mross"

might be a good point of contact, crowdfunding the project was a great idea
183  Economy / Speculation / Re: Should I invest more? on: April 24, 2013, 04:11:43 PM
if you have to post on a forum asking this question then clearly no you should not invest any more.
184  Economy / Speculation / Re: Who and why have people been buying Bitcoin lately? on: April 24, 2013, 02:43:15 PM
people who have a clue are buying, people who don't have a clue make forum threads
185  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: April 23, 2013, 01:42:09 PM
Nice 38.2% hit. I think next would be following



What is the grey line that goes from $265 top to projected $49?  Is there a second price that defines that line other than the top?

according to you lucif and according to your painting skills we should have already gone back down under $50
186  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: April 23, 2013, 01:13:34 PM
So when are we going to hit $30-$50 then Lucif? lol  Roll Eyes
187  Other / Off-topic / Re: BITCOINASHLEY IS A CARPET MUNCHING DYKE on: April 22, 2013, 09:17:18 PM
I'm finding it hilarious, i mean LOL, someone needs a therapist
188  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crash will bottom at $30, you heard it HERE first. on: April 22, 2013, 08:17:46 PM
Electricmucus - you are a straight up idiot, i mean really, do you even have a clue what you are saying?
189  Economy / Speculation / Re: Long-term trend is up on: April 22, 2013, 08:04:08 PM
accuse you of trolling?

every single person who reads this forum knows all you do is troll all day long, you have nothing better to do with your time.
190  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crash will bottom at $30, you heard it HERE first. on: April 22, 2013, 07:53:52 PM
he's either a paid troll or one seriously sad, pathetic guy
191  Economy / Speculation / Re: Who or what is causing resistance in the $120's on: April 22, 2013, 12:24:13 AM
it's meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
192  Economy / Speculation / Re: Price slump on: April 21, 2013, 11:37:03 PM
it's called a bear trap
193  Economy / Speculation / Re: Are you expecting a crash when Avalon Asics will be released? on: April 21, 2013, 11:17:17 PM
OP you really have no clue what you're talking about, my advice is to stop talking now while you're behind. Saying things like
"I probably understood it better than you will even in your whole life."
just makes it more of a facepalm
194  Economy / Speculation / Re: Dissertation speculation poll for my uni, please vote ! on: April 21, 2013, 11:00:01 PM
they are pretty terrible with their communication, if they were trying anything they'd be doing the worst job ever
195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Without mtgox the price will be under $100 within an hour on: April 21, 2013, 10:24:13 PM
smoothie, don't you know that an exchange that takes about 100 coins to drop it $20 is actually the true value indicator for bitcoin? yeah, hot news, you heard it here first.

Just like vircurex when it had a bid side of $101 and an ask side of $120, just the $19 spread there then, but clearly bitcoin is crashing because the bid side is $101

oh wait.. someone just bought 0.467btc and the price is now $110, my mistake.

 Roll Eyes
196  Economy / Speculation / Re: Inside pupm/dump group info. on: April 21, 2013, 10:12:55 PM
lol you really are sad, let's just see some of your other posts:

"That was just stupid sir. I buy a lot of coins at 55 and sold them at 130. now waiting for another crash  and enjoy my money"
lol so you're obviously desperate for price not to go above $130

"It will be going 1000$ by end of year."

"When i hold bitcoins im bull :>
When i want buy bitcoins im bear "

lol says it all really.

Now all of a sudden you have secret inside info? lol
and you manage to get access to such secret info when just 4 days ago you're asking questions like
"Im new here and i have 10 000$ should i jump in ?"

You've really done well to go from clueless noob to privileged insider trader in just 4 days.  Amazing!
197  Economy / Speculation / Re: Without mtgox the price will be under $100 within an hour on: April 21, 2013, 09:43:03 PM
just another example of pathetic noob trolls who don't have a clue what they're doing or talking about.
198  Economy / Speculation / Re: A brief history of exponential trends on: April 20, 2013, 07:55:08 PM
the point being made here is that ElectricMucus is a very sad lame troll, that you really have to pity, because he tries so hard.
199  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: April 20, 2013, 11:09:56 AM
lol, anyone can make a claim endless times, be wrong endless times and eventually get something right, if you trade based on Lucif's info then you are an epic fail as well.
200  Economy / Speculation / Re: Yet another analyst :) on: April 20, 2013, 10:36:47 AM
this really is set up to be an epic fail on Lucif's part, but then i guess you could just add it to all the other things he has got wrong.
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