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Ha yeah, faulty cable. Replaced it and it's working fine. Sorry for the alarm.
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Unable to connect to stratum atm?
All the major stratum servers are running fine at the moment. PM me your worker and I can test from here just to double check. What hostname/port/software are you using? false alarm (for the server at least) seems my ethernet port is acting up. |
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So... if I have to pay .1 BTC to play, isn't this basically just paying for a spot on a minecraft server when I could just play for free?
Especially when the amount I would need to mine just to make that super high entry fee would basically mean mining like 100k blocks a day lol?
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I placed my order in early September and after the way things have gone so far I have resigned myself to maybe receiving my order by late March. Add another week for international mail too.
I wouldn't consider getting it in late March to be an option. the COO of BFL has been trolling up my betting thread, and refuses to take a wager that BFL ships 3+ ASICs that meet or beat specs before 3/20/2012 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=135914.360To be completely honest, the bickering between you two is just annoying. |
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In either case, I do not see what any BFL customer would be offended by if you post details in front of them. Perhaps people don't want to know more about these situations?
Edit: By the way, the hardcore supporters are now often tongue lashing BFL in the shoutbox quite openly. I wonder what it was that they saw that made them feel that way. Their disenfranchised sentiment is now often leaking into the open BFL forum.
Yeah, the reason I'm not really offended is because I ordered February 2nd, far after the people who have actual legitimate grievances with not yet receiving a product. I actually enjoyed reading your response and I think that you have some valid points. I most definitely agree that Josh should stop openly talking trash about Avalon. I know it's fun to make fun of your competitors but when you make fun of a competitor about something you are specifically lacking that's little more than awkward projection and nobody wants to see that. I think one of the problems is that Josh squandered even the confidence that some of the hardcore supporters had left when he said bumping would take 2 days and it's been a little over a week. The main problem is that he's giving people best case estimates when he should be giving worst case estimates and then tacking on a week or two to those estimates. At least then if it finishes before those one to two weeks, he is under promising and over delivering, rather than over promising and under delivering. Granted, they didn't know they needed a blank wafer to make the process faster, but that makes me think they didn't do enough research on the bumping process beforehand. All in all I think there have been a lot of missteps, but I still honestly believe they will be delivering a superior product than Avalon but the timeframe is unfortunately taking much much longer than expected. |
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[09:47 AM] Hiver : or if he decided to do it at all.
[09:48 AM] CohibaJr : I doubt he's sitting in the bumping facility.
[09:49 AM] polrpaul : doubt it
[09:49 AM] polrpaul : he would have announced a trip
[09:50 AM] CohibaJr : He should be visiting the bumping facility, but who knows
[09:51 AM] polrpaul : moreover, I don't believe BFL has any contact with the bumper at all
[09:51 AM] CohibaJr : which is sad
[09:51 AM] polrpaul : here's why: they contracted the project via the packager, who sub'ed it to their bumping house
[09:51 AM] polrpaul : when BFL wanted to go North Carolina, it was for a good reason: direct contact with the bumper
[09:52 AM] Hiver : Ah.
[09:52 AM] polrpaul : but then they weren't able to meet deadlines, and the packaging house said: "we can do it"
[09:52 AM] polrpaul : the hell they can
[09:52 AM] CohibaJr : they aren't on top of their game, they need to be constantly in contact will all processors of the device.
[09:52 AM] polrpaul : but if they have no contact at the bumper = shit out of luck
[09:52 AM] polrpaul : nobody to call except their contact at the packager
[09:52 AM] CohibaJr : yup
[09:53 AM] polrpaul : packager says: "we're still waiting to hear from bumper"
[09:53 AM] polrpaul : circle jerk
[09:53 AM] CohibaJr : yeah, exactly
[09:53 AM] CohibaJr : i don't think that BFL is at the top of their game
[09:53 AM] polrpaul : lastly, without an update from Josh yesterday or today thus far... we are sitting losers
[09:53 AM] Hiver : I subcontracted some work once. It was the worst decision I've ever made as a professional.
[09:54 AM] polrpaul : well you have to remember that any work BFL doesn't do: is subcontracted - that's just about all of it
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[09:54 AM] CohibaJr : exactly, subcontracting without being in contact with the sub is a losing situation.
[09:54 AM] polrpaul : the issue comes when their contractor subcontracts their work
[09:54 AM] shuadoom : Subcontracting is fine as long as you are in constant contact or at least have a line of communication
[09:54 AM] polrpaul : +1 CohibaJr
[09:54 AM] Hiver : So, if I'm getting this right, BFL are taking the packaging people at their word
[09:54 AM] polrpaul : +1 shuadoom
[09:55 AM] CohibaJr : sure seems like it, hiver
[09:55 AM] shuadoom : Pol: That should have been part of the arrangement with anyone they deal with though, approval, oversight, and communication with everything regarding subcontracts.
[09:55 AM] polrpaul : and yet... ?
[09:55 AM] polrpaul : here we are holding our dicks, gentlemen
[09:55 AM] CohibaJr : I don't think that Josh likes to oversight.
[09:55 AM] shuadoom : specification, delivery wise...monetaryily is another thing...
[09:55 AM] CohibaJr : That's the feeling I get.
[09:55 AM] shuadoom : monetarily...
[09:55 AM] Fjordbit : I was at least hoping to hear the test fascility got their chip
[09:56 AM] Hiver : The person I farmed the work out too fell off the planet as soon as the good faith payment cleared. Made me look bad, made my customer angry... it was a nightmare. I ended up busting my balls to make the customer happy and took a loss on the job.
[09:56 AM] polrpaul : YEAH
[09:56 AM] shuadoom : Well, all the more reason to get a kicstarter together and some hardware guys and diy
[09:56 AM] Fjordbit : Right now, that should be everyone's biggest concern.
[09:56 AM] Hiver : Someone FOSSing an ASIC chip?
[09:56 AM] polrpaul : shuadoom - with u !
[09:57 AM] polrpaul : I thought the whole Avalon project was open source, no?
[09:57 AM] CohibaJr : I don't think it's a bad thing, being aggressive in Business. Right now, BFL is at the mercy of everyone, because they aren't asserting their position.
[09:57 AM] shuadoom : Business is business, no room for "well ill let the sub deal with the sub"...You need full control in order for your product and your standards to be met...
[09:57 AM] polrpaul : I see they released the Software side of things into github
[09:58 AM] polrpaul : my biggest beef: the transparency provided, or lack thereof
[09:58 AM] shuadoom : Cohiba: Exactly.
[09:58 AM] polrpaul : it's one thing to pre-order, be told a date, and then receive your item around that expected date
[09:59 AM] polrpaul : it's a complete different story when they miss the dates, keep stringing you along, and then try to feed you transparency "chips are being bumped right now!"
[09:59 AM] polrpaul : when the lack of transparency ends.. the scam is revealed
[10:01 AM] polrpaul : i'd rather not get any transparency at all, just keep shifting the damn date in realistic terms (not by 1 week or even 1 month, but by 6 months)
[10:01 AM] CohibaJr : BFL looks really weak right now due to missed dates, delays, and not asserting their position. If BFL is a student in a college course, it deserves a BIG F-.
[10:01 AM] polrpaul : AND, offer your customers a real incentive to stay onboard
[10:01 AM] polrpaul : the discounts were a joke
[10:01 AM] polrpaul : I should be able to order more at a discount now
[10:01 AM] polrpaul : I should be able to order more at a discount now
[10:02 AM] polrpaul : and that's the other thing CohibaJr, I'm finding it hard to believe anyone at BFL has a college degree
[10:02 AM] polrpaul : not even going to get into the cast of characters and their previous history
[10:03 AM] polrpaul : anyone want to start a company? I don't feel at all intimidated by BFL's prowess from a competitive standpoint
[10:03 AM] CohibaJr : polrpaul, hahaha, you're thinking kind of what i'm thinking, but i just didn't want to say anything.
[10:04 AM] polrpaul : I mean: how can they order 6 wafers of chips, with 6 more wafers already started too, when there is not even 1 working prototype
[10:04 AM] polrpaul : (serious TOO)
[10:04 AM] polrpaul : I don't want to be shady or rape anyone of fair earnings
[10:05 AM] polrpaul : I don't want to take millions in pre-orders, but ... sure that would be nice too
[10:05 AM] SLok : yeah, you can run a mining pool and fly planes with just highschool, same for the guy doing asic design and writing firmware, not, polrpaul?
[10:05 AM] Fjordbit : polrpaul, how would they have a working prototype without chips?
[10:05 AM] polrpaul : a kickstarter type fund is the appropriate path
[10:05 AM] polrpaul : correct SLok
[10:05 AM] shuadoom : Pol: Fair earnings? Intillectual Property is BS...
[10:05 AM] SLok : think again clown
[10:05 AM] polrpaul : shuadoom, don't understand
[10:06 AM] shuadoom : If you can figure out how something works, you should be able to make it and sell it..
[10:06 AM] shuadoom : Intellactual property = monopoly
[10:06 AM] polrpaul : SLok - who the clown?
[10:06 AM] shuadoom : so there would be nothing unfair about making a competing product and releasing it
[10:07 AM] SLok : who do you think
[10:07 AM] polrpaul : shuadoom, my comment was - don't want to pull a bASIC scam or anything like that.. don't take money from people that you know you are raping
[10:07 AM] shuadoom : ahhh word.
[10:07 AM] polrpaul : SLok - proof
[10:07 AM] shuadoom : I thought you meant like unfair to bfl...
[10:08 AM] polrpaul : pictures or it didn't happen
[10:08 AM] polrpaul : no, unfair to the people
[10:08 AM] shuadoom : I say if you can bring a product to market and beat them, do it...
[10:08 AM] polrpaul : so far.. it's all been unfair from the ASIC vendors.. except perhaps ASICMINER going live, but that's not a product
[10:08 AM] polrpaul : if Avalon customers in China are indeed receiving and going live - congratulations to Avalon
[10:08 AM] shuadoom : If I knew hardware better, I totally would, but I'm not an engineer..
[10:09 AM] polrpaul : if not.. scammy
[10:09 AM] polrpaul : don't need to be an engineer shuadoom - running a company requires different skillsets
[10:09 AM] polrpaul : and if you ask me, a COO should be all about business
[10:09 AM] polrpaul : Josh acts more like a CTO, IMHO
[10:10 AM] CohibaJr : Avalon is so far the only company that has delivered something like they said they would, and even exceeded expectations(dates).
[10:10 AM] CohibaJr : CTO?
[10:10 AM] polrpaul : especially given his side hobbies of running EMC pool, now the ASIC Hosting program, running BFL Ad campaigns potentially for personal profit
[10:10 AM] CohibaJr : Chief Technical Officer?
[10:10 AM] shuadoom : Oh I know, but I don't know enough about hardware to know that folks are being truthful about it to put myself in such a position.
[10:10 AM] shuadoom : technology
[10:11 AM] polrpaul : you hire trusted elves to oversee the pieces you don't understand
[10:11 AM] SLok : how comfortable, a customer in China received his asic, none besides 2 in the rest of the world, and they all can't work longer than 36 hours before they need a restart.
[10:11 AM] shuadoom : Chief Turd Orifice
[10:11 AM] shuadoom : Cheif too
[10:11 AM] shuadoom : wait no..chief
[10:11 AM] shuadoom : yeah..
[10:11 AM] SLok : and an engeneering degree fr the operator
[10:11 AM] CohibaJr : Yeah, Josh isn't a COO for sure. he's more of an engineer. COO will be VERY AGGRESSIVE, and fly out to the situs to examine all the processes, and constantly talk to the people every day.
[10:11 AM] polrpaul : yeah, reality of avalon product existing en masse, and its quality both remain to be determiend
[10:12 AM] shuadoom : No need to be a d1ck as a coo, but letting them know, if you don't do the job the way I want, you don't get the job is absolutely necessary
[10:13 AM] polrpaul : absolutely
[10:13 AM] CohibaJr : for sure, shua
[10:14 AM] CohibaJr : Don't need to be a dick as a COO, but be aggressive/proactive and be very involved in the process and schedules and deadlines.
[10:14 AM] shuadoom : Go watch an interview with steve jobs,.he had no problems telling someone that there work was shit....and he said, its never personal, its about the product/business
[10:14 AM] polrpaul : as long as we're shooting the shit.. skills I bring to the table in the C-suite: Technology (CTO) and Security (CSO/CISO)
[10:14 AM] polrpaul : I am not a sales/marketing/advertising person, and I am not an aggressive leader as a CEO and COO should be
[10:14 AM] polrpaul : I know nothing of finance as a CFO should master
[10:14 AM] CohibaJr : Sitting back at the headquarters as a COO doesn't look very professional, especially while there are MASSIVE DELAYS happening in the process.
[10:15 AM] polrpaul : california is the place to be right now, not snowy kansas city
[10:15 AM] shuadoom : *coughvaporwarecough*
[10:15 AM] polrpaul : and then off to chicago (or send somebody else) to oversee the boards
[10:16 AM] CohibaJr : Can't be sitting around at your desk, no one is going to hand you food into your mouth. You've got to go fight and get your food, so that you can survive. That's the attitude of a COO.
[10:16 AM] SLok : ordered something shuadoom?
[10:16 AM] shuadoom : I have a hunch that the delays are more of a "lets get this working right" and less of a our subs are shite
[10:16 AM] shuadoom : No, I want to, I just don't have a positive feeling about it being a legitimate purchase..
[10:17 AM] shuadoom : And I know that I will be last in line, but If I have to end up paying more for something sooner, then that is what I will do, because I want a product that is functional and in my hands
[10:18 AM] shuadoom : I have no legitimate gripe at this point, just trying to work it out for my best interests.
[10:18 AM] shuadoom : as should everyone, with every transaction
[10:19 AM] SLok : i see, my best interest was order early to get one before the masses get theirs.
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[10:20 AM] polrpaul : my interest was: get one in realistic time frame
[10:20 AM] polrpaul : 6 months late is.. bordering unrealistic IMHO
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[10:20 AM] polrpaul : and with that.. I'm off to hunt breakfast
[10:20 AM] shuadoom : Slok: I wish I had, though probably would be very angry at this point..
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[10:21 AM] CohibaJr : April is my deadline date. If BFL can't deliver by then $22K of my money will be refunded.
[10:21 AM] SLok : i can wait for the new iphone, if i cared for one, no need to sleep for a store to get that first, but this is a different playing field
[10:22 AM] polrpaul : I was saying March 1... over $5K ..time to chill out and try to reassess, maybe CohibaJr has some better sense
[10:22 AM] SLok : way to late, agreed polrpaul, but this is cutting edge tech, so i'll hang on
[10:22 AM] polrpaul : that critical edge is slipping
[10:22 AM] SLok : what else to do?
[10:23 AM] CohibaJr : I don't know what else to do or say except that a 22year old chinese kid(Avalon), beat out a giant(BFL) to the punch, even though it's not efficient.
[10:24 AM] CohibaJr : Single-handedly.
[10:24 AM] SLok : not the edge, people's expectations of profits, while an asic today gets the same redicted profit as back in september in $, chack the mining calculators
[10:24 AM] shuadoom : Because to me, every purchase is a free exchange between individuals, value for value, and when the value is not met by one side or the other, there is cause for anger/grievance etc, because it is not value for value at that point;.
[10:24 AM] SLok : that's a whole team avalon, not some kid. dr ngzang etc
[10:25 AM] CohibaJr : I know it's a whole team Avalon, but the 22 year old kid represents the whole team.
[10:25 AM] polrpaul : you can say Josh represents BFL in the same way, how old is he?
[10:27 AM] KrLos : hallo, btc down to 26
[10:28 AM] CohibaJr : early 30s?
[10:28 AM] CohibaJr : mid 30s?
[10:29 AM] KrLos : mt gox Last price:$28.10000 Problems with contractors doing sub-contracting? Is that the reason for the delays? Posted under the FAIR USE ACT for the purposes of discussion and education.Edit: BTC price may now be in a devaluation trend. Bad news for all!I'm not sure exactly what the point of posting that was. I think we can all understand that customers with BFL are unhappy right now and that Josh has been really bad with dates through out the whole project. However, posting a conversation about people speculating on all of the information, isn't that just more speculation? Also, their whole conversation about making a kickstarter for an ASIC product. I think the old phrase, "put up or shut up" fits rather well in the situation. Josh is a very easy target in all of this for a number of reasons: - He is the only one giving updates. - The dates he is giving are estimates and should be treated as such. At this point I wouldn't take any of his estimates at face value, I think people probably know that by now. - You're basically dealing with a company that is doing this for the first time (at least on this scale), didn't do enough research into time frames for specific processes involving the chip manufacturing process, and Josh has to take the blame for all of that. - The problems occurring aren't caused by Josh, but he's the bad guy, so it's easy to make fun of him. My best analogy for Josh right now would be someone like Jay Wilson. Jay Wilson didn't code, design, direct, produce and publish D3 all by himself, but he is the one that gets all of the blame for people thinking it's a subpar product. All in all I think that if someone wants to get off their ass and start a kickstarter project for an ASIC product, they should do it. I think it's easy to criticize someone and say, "If I were in charge, this is how I would do it!" But it's a different thing all together to say, "I'm going to fully research this, find out where other companies like BFL, Avalon and bASIC have failed, make a business plan, and do a better job than any other ASIC manufacturer out there." I'm certainly not defending Josh. I think that his estimations are irresponsible and upset his customers. I think that he is dealing with companies that typically have a 3-4 month timeframe on projects and not a 1-2 week timeframe on projects like this. I think that BFL as a whole did not do enough research into every single process of manufacturing, in regards to timeframes. I'm not trolling here, and I would like an honest answer. You seem like a fairly intelligent person and you know how to frame intelligent arguments, but I'm not sure why you're keeping up the constant crusade against Josh and BFL. Is there a specific reason? |
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Basic gist was that they should have the boards at their KC facility by next week sometime. This is after their test chips get to the CA facility hopefully by Friday (possibly Sat or Mon).
He made a post on another thread stating that they hope to clear out the current backlog by end of April early May. However, just an estimate. I think he's done making hard estimates for now since it's burned him so much.
He legitimately sounds like a tired dude just trying to get the product out the door. But we will see what happens in the coming weeks and what not.
Still... only 3 Avalons confirmed in the wild.
The REAL winner right now is ASICminer. Making bank right now, but I just can't imagine their power costs.
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https://i.imgur.com/aMXYg8l.pngtranscript: 08:20 PM BFL_Josh: I got more info today. The bumping should be done by tomorrow and the ASIC team should have sample chips by Friday, or at least that's when they are expecting them (about 40) so they can run tests and make sure everything is good. Packaging should be done around the same time and shipped off to Chicago after that.
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Strange with almost 25% of the total hashpower isn't  Not really. It wasn't even 3 hours between the blocks. The entire network regularly (few times a week) has periods of an hour or more without a block. That's why variance is still a consideration when you're a huge amount of hash power. A bad luck streak can drastically impact your earnings during a difficulty. Ahaa okay that sounds fair  . iam still allin pplns but only 14 gh time will tell how long ill keep mining with it..before i sell my rig !! Couldnt you just mitigate your losses by having half your rig mine PPLNS and have other half do PPS? Also, with the price rising like it has been, you're still making about the same when mining less BTC overall. |
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The last seven open shifts all have zero solves. Is this just a display issue or are we really just getting this unlucky with the new difficulty?
Shift 2180 - Shift 2186
Unlucky since the difficulty change. Our blocks show up clearly on Blockchain.info due to being tagged with 'BTC Guild' or 'Mined by BTC Guild' (Stratum uses 'Mined by', getwork is just 'BTC Guild'). The day is young though! EDIT: See, this always happens. Within minutes of complaining about luck, a block appears. And if people do the opposite and mention our good luck, we have a dry spell. The curse of the word 'luck' in relation to blocks. hahaha I noticed that. Immediately after being like, wth, I look at the Block History and see we just made a solve. |
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The last seven open shifts all have zero solves. Is this just a display issue or are we really just getting this unlucky with the new difficulty?
Shift 2180 - Shift 2186
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Hio  If you can help with these connection issues, I'm in with some of my 1ghash.. for now lol.. I recieved an 'authentication failed' error, when I tried the stratum server. It showed some accepted shares but none registered with my acct. The LP GBT server works but gives many 'worker is idle' msgs. I'm using Guiminer 2012-12-03. I have that same exact problem with my 7870. However when I use cgminer (by itself, not through GUIMiner) it works just fine without issue on the stratum server. But yes, I also get the "worker is idle" message and it sucks because basically resets your card between every single share submission. |
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Yeah, it's a hard decision for me because I consider BTCGuild to be my main pool. I think this is going to start being my weekend pool and BTCGuild will be my weekday pool.
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Awesome, you guys have hit about 3.5 million shares!
I'm going to jump on the bus to hopefully help you guys finish your first round.
If anyone else wants to hop pools for the next couple of days to help us finish our first round, that would be awesome!
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For those negative nancies like myself, would it be possible to start getting information like this put somewhere on the PPLNS Shift History page? I think it might get more people to stick with PPLNS through the phases of bad luck if they had some stats they could look at that verified the average yield of blocks per shift. Putting it simply, that information you just posted about the last 90 Matured sprints, I don't have access to (unless I were to track it myself and do the math myself, all of which I don't have time for).
I'm looking into it. I actually calculated it by copy & pasting the table into excel and selecting the Block/Per Share columns to autosum/average . EDIT/UPDATE: I've added the last 100-matured shifts per-share rate above the PPLNS Shift History table. This number is somewhat unreliable for comparison after a difficulty change. Awesome! Will this update every completed shift or is this just manual labor on your part? |
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My shares per shift is going down coinciding with the overall pool hash going up and not by a negligable amount. I am getting at least 40% less shares consistently than when the pool hash was between 3-3.5K.  Also a month or two back where all miners had to restart their machines/proxy to reconnect I was getting +25% shares per shift consistently until miners reconnected. Sorry but I may have to switch pools. I'd rather not as I have the least problems with your pool, but a little hassle is better than a 1-3% fee and a 40% share loss. If I understand you correctly, that is the expected behaviour for PPLNS. As the hashrate increases, you get fewer shares per shift, but the same number of shares per day and the same number of coin per week. Assuming my hash rate doesn't change, if I'm seeing higher than 100% PPS only 10% of the time and the rest of the time its around 50-60%, wouldn't I still be making more by just doing straight PPS? i.e. in order for me to break even, I need block per shift to be at least 9, there are occasional strings of shifts that run 9+ for 10 or so shifts, but this maybe happens once a week. The majority of the time the block per shift is between 4-8 (outside of green). Again, assuming my hash rate doesn't change and I'm submitting the same number of shares, aren't I still making more BTC by doing PPS instead? I know that all PPLNS is pretty much just luck, but if difficulty is constantly increasing, won't this luck just continue to get worse and worse as more ASICs are added to the fold? PPLNS has paid more than PPS consistently over the last month. The problem is you focus on bad shifts and don't acknowledge the good shifts (its human nature to dwell on the negatives). If you were mining with two identical speed workers, one on PPS, one on PPLNS this month, you would have made somewhere around 110% PPS on the PPLNS worker. Examples: The last 90 MATURED shifts (you cannot include open shifts) have averaged 9.3 blocks per shift, AKA: 0.0000076339143/share (more than 100% PPS). The last 190 matured shifts have averaged 9.48 blocks/shift, or 0.00000777397457/share, which is 2% above 0%-fee PPS. For those negative nancies like myself, would it be possible to start getting information like this put somewhere on the PPLNS Shift History page? I think it might get more people to stick with PPLNS through the phases of bad luck if they had some stats they could look at that verified the average yield of blocks per shift. Putting it simply, that information you just posted about the last 90 Matured sprints, I don't have access to (unless I were to track it myself and do the math myself, all of which I don't have time for). |
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