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18001  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 08:14:08 PM
None of my physical metal is for sale at any price.

damn, thats confidence for ya.  a solid one way position with no flexibility in sight!  gotta love it!

i, OTOH, freely admit there will be a time when i'll consider buying gold again and hard.  it'll be years though.  i prefer to stick with market dynamics and playing the cycles up or down.
18002  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 07:35:29 PM


this is /GC, another gold futures contract.  this goes back to 6/05.  see that volume bar all the way to the right?  highest volume EVER since the creation of this contract.  ignore at your peril.
18003  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 07:25:56 PM
Gold has risen quickly recently and so if you were to say it is overbought, it is so on the recent price moves. There is no reason to suggest the long term trend for gold is dead.

there are plenty of reasons IMO to think that its over.  start with my OP and work forward.
18004  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 07:08:33 PM
Let's say someone invents a new power source which uses silver. Investors begin to go into silver upon the announcement, later the producers of this new power source make large orders and silver goes up and up. The technical peculators will say "Wow, look at this, bubble! It will crash to $10 again obviously, let's short it.". In reality, of-course, it seems a lot of uses for silver are constantly being found. Shame it's relatively rare.

sure thats possible but following fundamentals will reveal the source of the price rise.  but those types of price rises will be slow and steady with pullbacks along the way.

parabolic moves with breaks way over long term trend lines demand attention in regards to speculative blowoffs.  these usually end badly.
18005  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 06:48:34 PM
(pretty pictures)

Reading tea leaves from spoon-fed graphs do little to help you actually understand a market.

As I said, just hold onto your physical gold.

its amazing how much we agree upon yet also disagree upon.  i would guess at least half of the total investors out there believe in technical analysis and would disagree with you as do i. 

i believe in fundamentals supplementing technicals.  but there are those who only follow technicals and would say that ALL information is imbedded in the charts and no fundamentals need be known.  as good as you are with fundamentals, you cannot possibly know everything especially those things going on under the surface.  i have come to respect those individuals more and more as the years go by.
18006  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 06:26:18 PM
18007  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 06:11:53 PM

Priceless! Thanks for sharing.

DZZ ramping.

DZZ does not lead the gold price, nor other leveraged instruments any longer. Physical does now.

the carnage has only begun.

100% accurate. A comparison of the 1980 gold rise to today from Gene Arensberg.

Volume (capital flows) on all gold related instruments (both long and short) is soaring and will breach the levels of yesterday.

Volume alone does not dictate direction. This is an obvious transfer of wealth from new entrants and/or weak hands to interests recognizing gold as money. Like taking candy from a baby.



facepalm
18008  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 05:15:53 PM
Volume (capital flows) on all gold related instruments (both long and short) is soaring and will breach the levels of yesterday.
18009  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 05:08:33 PM
how many more years do you expect this 11 yr bull to run?

you've been set up.

I'm starting to suspect that you are not yet capable of projecting out that far.

Oh my, the anger has set in.  Watch the gold bug "beg" for more QE.
18010  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 05:05:52 PM
This is great!  Grin I was thinking of buying......but where's the bottom?

Buy the blood.

The gap by $1680 is the target for the shorts to breach. If the gap is filled before the end of the month, there will be a rally of unbelievable proportions. If it isn't filled this month, there will be a large run up before the hammer falls again to push it back down into the $1600s. This is no different from previous battles at much lower numbers. Same game, more players.

Metal holders must be enticed to sell in order to supply Venezuela-style delivery demands from the bullion banks. Venezuela is not the only entity requesting physical delivery. It's the equivalent of a bank run, only silent and behind the scenes. If the banks don't deliver in a timely fashion, the game is over and the price of gold immediately will rocket to tens of thousands.

I think the game will keep going for at least several more months, if not years. That doesn't mean gold will capitulate; it will simply continue its gradually-accelerating ascent to a multi-decade parabolic blow-off. These daily and weekly runs are nothing.

For the rest of this week, the battle will probably be contained between $1740 and $1880. Any intraday spikes are irrelevant to big money - the daily closing numbers are the minimum relevant values.

i guess there is nothing more to say.
18011  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 04:53:46 PM
The short-sighted perspectives are raging across the newswires and people are believing them. It's astonishing.

Let me get this right:

Gold falls 8% from it's recent record high and all of a sudden, it's the end of gold? Meanwhile, the S&P plummeted almost 19% and that isn't even from a wild run up. The dollar continues to muddle around at record lows, showing no sign of genuine strength or an impending retracement and being down over 17% from it's 3-year high. Treasuries have hit a blistering 13% rally that looks exactly like the 25% rally at the end of 2008, whereupon almost that entire gain was puked back up over the course of the next six months.

Am I to believe that the rally in treasuries is sustainable, but gold isn't when treasuries are backed by supposed reserve of what... gold? Is the suggestion that the dollar is going to find the fuel for a 20%+ rally? And the equity markets are going to be left to languish when they're the most visible indicator of wealth in the country, even though it may be illusory?

Reason and practicality demand attention over desire and whimsy. One day does not make a trend, nor does one week for that matter.

can't you see the parabolic blowoff you talked about has happened?  its right in front of your face.  how many more years do you expect this 11 yr bull to run?  infinity?  this is linear thinking.

the waves of bad news for gold will keep coming over the coming months.  it will start perhaps with the lack of any meaningful QE from Jackson Hole.  then next months Comex opex will disappoint.  then the USD will start ramping.  then even (get this) an announcement from Ben that the Fed has decided to RAISE interest rates despite what they said. 

you've been set up.
18012  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 04:34:00 PM
so what if all the USD's coming out of gold, silver, miner stocks, the Dow/S&P, commodities goes into Bitcoin?
18013  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 04:30:09 PM
This is great!  Grin I was thinking of buying......but where's the bottom?

there isn't any; now that Bitcoin is on the table.
18014  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 04:18:44 PM
so today you're seeing for the first time the relationships of how gold/silver move compared to the major stock indices change.  why?  because gold/silver were in a parabolic blowoff and its time for them to come down irrespective of what happens in stocks.

gold is the final bull that will capitulate to a rising USD.  the selloff should be at least as brutal, perhaps worse, as it was in the Dow to trap as many ppl in at the top.  we've topped at one end of the pendulum swing.  the crash won't stop until sentiment is at lows (<2%) and all the selling capitulation completes itself.  this is the characteristic of markets we live in:  boom/bust, high volatility.
18015  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 02:55:01 PM
Todays trading volume of GLD, /YG, and DZZ already exceed that of the avg for the last week and a half.
18016  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 02:49:04 PM
look guys, this was never meant to be a "i told you so" or "i'm right, you're wrong" type of thread.

i really meant "i smell a trap" to try and warn everyone not to buy the parabolic blowoff.  if you're trapped in physical bullion and you agree with me that we've topped, at least try to save yourselves by buying a hedge like DZZ to cut losses. (disclaimer: of course i own DZZ as i've openly said many times here!).  this goes for those who've put most of their savings in illiquid bullion.

we're all Bitcoiners in the end.  lets let the die hard gold bugs bear the brunt of the selloff.
18017  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 02:30:42 PM
Does DZZ drive the price of gold? How many clever speculators have been waiting for gold to fall, especially with the price rising almost exactly to a 423.6% Fibonacci projection from the May 1st to 5th decline? If gold retests its $1900 high, how many of them will panic and sell DZZ? When has it ever been good to ride with the masses, much less try to catch a falling knife (DZZ)?

everyone knows that "investment" or speculative demand is driving gold.  when you see capital flows (as you've said many times in this thread) go into a speculative investment that uses a leveraged position to short gold, you'd be crazy to ignore it.

The tail does not wag the dog. Here today, smoke tomorrow. Just cash in while you can - I'd sell most of my short positions now. That's the voice of experience: you don't forget losing a one week, seven-figure profit in a matter of hours.

who's losing that amount of money in a matter of hours? 

18018  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 02:22:49 PM
Gold dipped 5% today in a matter of hours, it it the start of the debated decline?

i have long since stopped being amazed at what is truly amazing in the financial markets.  the carnage has only begun.
18019  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 02:15:47 PM

For now, the repo market twist look like the best option. You really need to read Alasdair Macleod's article on that.

ok, i read it.  not impressed.  you know, a long time ago i realized that gold bugs are just inflationists in "sound money" clothing.  they'll concoct the most amazing methods to continue the inflation they supposedly hate.

As dollar velocity increases, its volatility will rise as well.

uh, i don't know if you've realized it yet, but money velocity has been plunging.

I know you're still skeptical of it resuming that role; why is it receiving safe haven flows, then?

its called "speculation".


There's no need to physically move the reserve bullion (just as dollar reserves are rarely ever 'move'); the existing system works insofar as gold is concerned (large-scale distributed storage with registered ownership of numbered bars). It's the leverage (and in turn the current custodianship) that's at issue. That built up during a fixed gold standard, but with gold freely floating via market exchange that rigidity is nullified, allowing it to form the basis for all currencies and goods exchangeable against it.

why does this sound like MyBitcoin?

gold is here to stay.


i beg to differ.
18020  Economy / Economics / Re: Gold: I smell a trap on: August 24, 2011, 02:03:19 PM
Imagine trying to sell your bags of junk silver, stacks of gold coins and bars at the local coin dealer in a line of a hundred people.
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