Jeg skriver blogg for Bitcoins Norway, og vi lager ny artikkel hver uke om Bitcoin på norsk, og publiserer de på vår facebook-side. Er det mange som følger oss, og kjenner bloggen? Vi tar gjerne tilbakemeldinger og innspill til tema  https://blog.bitcoinsnorway.comKjenner ikke til den, nei. Tok en titt nå. Den har forøvrig ugyldig sikkerhetssertifikat. Får og sikkerhetsnotifikasjon når jeg trykker på linken. Bitcoinere kan være veldig påpasselige med slike ting. |
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Small blockers are so edgy and cool. I bet they smoke behind the bike sheds at lunchtime too. I see he supports Front National. So he is openly bully. I think that technically makes it ok. But I'm just not sure about Blockstream.  |
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Stupid question: Why are miners including 0-fee transactions in blocks at all? AFAIK, they can refuse to do so regardless of max blocksize.
Because they are paid to do so through block rewards. Plus, some pools are concerned with their own and Bitcoins image. Edit: When I re-read my post it sounded a bit terse. That was not my intention. Large scale miners are HEAVILY invested in Bitcoin. They've got facilities, equipment, employees, and long term deals with electricity providers and isp's. They're not here for the quick scam. Most of them (the ones acting rationally) will not do anything to hurt Bitcoin. These technical discussions have really improved the quality of posts here. I'm starting to feel like maybe I should relegate myself to Reddit.  Don't worry. Soon the price will start climbing and we'll all be posting sexist images and throwing poo at each other again. I can now be found in the Humanities section.  Sorry for bombing your thread. Wait until I get to the part about how governments are using fluoridation in your tap water to direct your thoughts and how the pharmaceutical industry invented Aids.  I can recommend a couple of books for you if you need material: http://www.amazon.com/Obama-Mahabharata-Catastrophes-Vegas-Luna-ebook/dp/B00O2FCUJI/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8http://www.amazon.com/Andromeda-Martian-Catastrophe-Black-Illustrations/dp/0692448640/ref=asap_bc?ie=UTF8I've seen a picture of the author with a geiger counter on a beach in San Francisco. Very serious stuff. |
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Ideally I'd like to see both versions plus a snapshot of the mempool size. Or a version without empty blocks, number of empty blocks for that period, and a snapshot of the mempool size... but that sounds like a lot of work.
Actually surprisingly little. I'll see if I can do it and work out JJG's size increase. Also, there's a bug which nobody seems to have noticed yet Cool, looking forward to it. |
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BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!Hi, BMB!!! "Since the narrower or wider community of the peoples of the earth has developed so far that a violation of rights in one place is felt throughout the world, the idea of a law of world citizenship is no high-flown or exaggerated notion. It is a supplement to the unwritten code of the civil and international law, indispensable for the maintenance of the public human rights and hence also of perpetual peace. One cannot flatter oneself into believing one can approach this peace except under the condition outlined here." - Immanuel Kant, 1795 BAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!!
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When I re-read my post it sounded a bit terse. That was not my intention.
Aaaghhh!!! Took you long enough. |
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Stupid question: Why are miners including 0-fee transactions in blocks at all? AFAIK, they can refuse to do so regardless of max blocksize.
Because they are paid to do so through block rewards. Plus, some pools are concerned with their own and Bitcoins image. Edit: When I re-read my post it sounded a bit terse. That was not my intention. Large scale miners are HEAVILY invested in Bitcoin. They've got facilities, equipment, employees, and long term deals with electricity providers and isp's. They're not here for the quick scam. Most of them (the ones acting rationally) will not do anything to hurt Bitcoin. These technical discussions have really improved the quality of posts here. I'm starting to feel like maybe I should relegate myself to Reddit. Don't worry. Soon the price will start climbing and we'll all be posting sexist images and throwing poo at each other again. I can now be found in the Humanities section. Sorry for bombing your thread. |
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Stupid question: Why are miners including 0-fee transactions in blocks at all? AFAIK, they can refuse to do so regardless of max blocksize.
Because they are paid to do so through block rewards. Plus, some pools are concerned with their own and Bitcoins image. Edit: When I re-read my post it sounded a bit terse. That was not my intention. Large scale miners are HEAVILY invested in Bitcoin. They've got facilities, equipment, employees, and long term deals with electricity providers and isp's. They're not here for the quick scam. Most of them (the ones acting rationally) will not do anything to hurt Bitcoin. These technical discussions have really improved the quality of posts here. I'm starting to feel like maybe I should relegate myself to Reddit. Don't worry. Soon the price will start climbing and we'll all be posting sexist images and throwing poo at each other again.  |
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The idea was to have some technical focussed constructive discourse and this is a more neutral forum and also where more Bitcoin experts hang out. Adam Surely this is a joke? The only reason the other forum was created was because Bitcointalk was becoming known in the Bitcoin community as North Korea. Think he meant more likely to find constructive criticism here, assuming thread stays open and is not censored. Big assumptions and poor choice of words, I know. Hmmmm.... "constructive criticism"... thus far we've had four pages of Jack here ranting about a far-fetched sybil attack that isn't even unique to BU. DIsclaimer: I'm not on the BU boat...yet, but if this is going to turn into a charade then it concerns all of us. |
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Stupid question: Why are miners including 0-fee transactions in blocks at all? AFAIK, they can refuse to do so regardless of max blocksize.
Because they are paid to do so through block rewards. Plus, some pools are concerned with their own and Bitcoins image. Edit: When I re-read my post it sounded a bit terse. That was not my intention. Large scale miners are HEAVILY invested in Bitcoin. They've got facilities, equipment, employees, and long term deals with electricity providers and isp's. They're not here for the quick scam. Most of them (the ones acting rationally) will not do anything to hurt Bitcoin. |
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I'm going to stop including 1 transaction blocks in the full-block calculations though. There were three out of six (all F2Pool) when I looked yesterday. That's skewing things way down.
If the current formula accurately reflects the percentage of total potential used block space that had actually been filled, I would advocate no change. To do otherwise turns it into a meaningless statistic. Better to have the simple unvarnished truth, rather than some manipulated figure meant to illuminate some vague outcome. +1 The existence of empty blocks is more a result of the gaming inherent in bitcoin than any explicit aim on the part of miners. As Richy said, empty blocks are allowed, but they will only succeed where no better block is found in the interim. A chain with a non empty block at its tip will always have more work than one with an empty block. A chain with the most valid work is by definition the longest chain. But if the fuller block isnt found quickly enough, the empty one will be built upon next. So I see no issue with including them. I support Richys conclusion that including empty blocks skews the results. Certain pools intentionally mine empty blocks even when there's tens of mb in the mempool and all other blocks are full. There doesn't seem to be any fix for this other than to wait until fees are a larger part of the miner reward, so it's irrelevant for the blocksize problem in that respect. However, to have as many as three empty blocks in an hour sounds extraordinary, so I'm wondering whether the numbers will be significantly affected over time. Ideally I'd like to see both versions plus a snapshot of the mempool size. Or a version without empty blocks, number of empty blocks for that period, and a snapshot of the mempool size... but that sounds like a lot of work. |
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3. In case of merged mining (whether NMC or PPC), will they automatically convert altcoin to BTC in future? Because, I guess many miners will not hoard altcoins that are highly volatile. In fact, they are just dumping them after mining. So the question.
This would be a possibility. My impression is that most people are just annoyed by the namecoins and want them removed. Autoselling might be one option. This service looks well suited: https://shapeshift.io/#If there is a way to automate that service poolside the pool would be supporting namecoin without inconveniencing those with no interest in holding nmc. Just a thought. |
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Freedom of expression is tricky stuff.
I really didn't expect you to enforce conformity like this after all you've said.
After all what I said, such as the OP of the thread, 2 years and 6,800 posts ago: Welcome to the new business lounge. Wine and cigars are on the house.
The intention of this thread is to post analysis on short to medium term fiat/BTC price developments, scenarios, portfolio allocation, etc. what fits the topic. No double bottoms, ad hominem, trolling or low level comments. As usual, your post will be deleted if not conforming to guidelines above.
(boldings added) So let it be repeated that the purpose of this self-moderated thread is NOT to give "freedom of expression" to anyone. This is my "business lounge", fit for passing discussions about interesting topics, and then we move on to the next. I moderate the discussion for the benefit of the participants and the lurkers. When you read or post in this thread you accept the rules, and this thread has spawned a multitude of critique threads during its years of existence, where the ousted trolls can post the Mr.Burns pics (I personally find that one really funny though). "As usual", your post will be deleted for non-conformity. Fatman3001, don't get offended that I am rubbing this to your face, the point is just to return to the common ground since you obviously did not even know that this is one of the most censored threads in the whole forum! (If you want "freedom of expression", do as I did - start your own thread! The global admins are just happy that you take the burden of moderation from them.) I understand. Rules are important. |
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In a stunning display of courage, and with an unwavering commitment to the forging of the truth in the crucible of the dialectical method... Our friend, and highly qualified mentor, has graciously offered to continue the debate of these important ideas rather than retreat like a coward to the wizard's irc clubhouse. Like those who have not #ragequit under adversity before... may his example continue to inspire us in our efforts to fully realize the potential of this bottom-up, community driven effort towards changing the world through a fully decentralized, dialup and raspberryPi compatible, layer 1 settlement network. This, gentlemen is the curtain call. After much consideration I've decided to turn the page on this thread in light of the most recent developments but also so that it stops paying lip service to the lying fraudster above and his cohort of deception artists. (Remind me not to ever create another thread without making it self-moderated) It is clear that we now have a path forward out of this arguable gridlock thanks to the hard work of knowledgeable but most importantly resilient people. ( https://bitcoin.org/en/bitcoin-core/capacity-increases) Although it was never a consideration that a merry bunch of loud mouths with no authority could hijack the project and hardfork Bitcoin into inexistence the schism was of a great service to everyone involved with Bitcoin in that it help identify the malicious actors and to some extent purge them from the ecosystem. The leaders of this governance coup are now nowhere to be seen, Mike Hearn having revealed themselves as the villain he always was is now gone working full time for the bankers he had probably always been in cahoots with. Gavin Andresen has taken residency over at a forum populated by notorious scammer cypherdoc and dangerous, sociopath, charlatan Peter R. After previously advocating for what was deemed a "safe" immediate increase to 20MB, he is now figuratively begging on his knees for 2MB "compromise" only for the sake of forcing a contentious hard fork on Bitcoin in order to undermine the trust of investors in what projects to be the most important year for Bitcoin yet. As for the groups of shills they've spawned their "community" is in shambles largely because of the self-admitted fractious tendencies. In what proved to be its strongest menace to date it is now safe to say Bitcoin has once again demonstrated its value and the strength of its antifragile nature. Seeing as I can't bother responding anymore to the endless barrage of lies and deception spewed here by the shills (and I certainly understand why others have already given up) it would be a disservice to more naive & gullible individuals to leave the thread open and provide a stage for these scammers. Nonetheless it was a good ride and proved to be a most informative experience. I'd like to thank all of the honest contributors who've helped separate the wheat from the chaff (you know who you are). A special mention for iCEBREAKER for being the originator of the #REKT movement. It was an honor to carry the torch. To the rest of you contemptible, lying ph0rkers understand that by the grace of the internet your performances and subsequent downfall will forever be preserved for posterity and serve as a tell-tale of the consequences of going against Bitcoin. May your souls rest in peace. Long live Bitcoin!  |
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Whenever exercising free speech is a "problem", we truly have a problem.
Moderator note: I delete posts that degrade the quality of discussion. If your post is deleted, please think why that might be and don't post the same thing again. Finding out the Truth in the delicate matter of a freedom activist first being regarded as a criminal for years, and then suddenly changed to a nutcase instead is interesting. To allow intelligent discussion to take place, behave yourselves.
I got an e-mail notification saying you deleted my post. Freedom of expression is tricky stuff. I really didn't expect you to enforce conformity like this after all you've said. When one feels entitled it can be tricky to see clearly. I guess I'll have to censor myself from now on. Anyhew, best of luck and good health to you. |
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@rpietila
But all of this has to be weighted against the problem of stark raving mad individuals being released too early and starts ranting about saving the world from the imaginary jesuit/zionist conspiracy. Granted, the line between political extremist and dangerous loon might be iffy some times. And even mental health personnel can make mistakes. But just doing nothing is irresponsible. Some people needs to be rescued from themselves. By the way, do you take any meds or do you maintain that it was all a big conspiracy and you're fit as a fiddle? Another thing, was this the same committal you earlier claimed was voluntary?
Best Regards
Whenever exercising free speech is a "problem", we truly have a problem. Labeling entirely peaceful people who have never as much as hit a human, "dangerous", we truly have a problem. Not meddling each others' affairs is now "irresponsible". We truly have a problem. The name of the problem is "1984", people living in dystopia not even realizing it and calling it normal. Orwell called it "controlled insanity". No, not mine. Yours. I happen to have two good friends who I respect immensely who both are what the rest of us call geniuses. And they both had mental incidents (they coincidentally both ran around naked screaming they were Jesus and were going to save the world) that landed them involuntarily committed. And they both managed to get back to a fairly normal life after their treatment (one of them is now a lecturer at a very prestigious university) as long as they took their meds. Although my language in previous posts might have been coloured by my repulsion at your anti-semitic views, I say this with as much compassion as I can muster: Please get help! Take your meds if you have them and get treatment now! Denial is not a good sign! |
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@rpietila
But all of this has to be weighted against the problem of stark raving mad individuals being released too early and starts ranting about saving the world from the imaginary jesuit/zionist conspiracy. Granted, the line between political extremist and dangerous loon might be iffy some times. And even mental health personnel can make mistakes. But just doing nothing is irresponsible. Some people need to be rescued from themselves. By the way, do you take any meds or do you maintain that it was all a big conspiracy and you're fit as a fiddle? Another thing, was this the same committal you earlier claimed was voluntary?
Best Regards
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And... it's the future. Off to get my self-driving car. Can Bitcoin scale now? I'll need micropayments for parking.
Thanks,
BMB
Apparently there's no room for dust on the Blockchain so you'll have to pay your parking with actual dust you sprinkle on the meter. Sprinkle cocaine for airport parking. |
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Its flat
-ploop-
Can confirm. Yeah, when I fart on a chair it doesn't wobble. If my chair was standing on a ball I'm pretty sure it would wobble. Nuff said. |
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