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1821  Other / Off-topic / Re: [FUD] Bicoin biggest scam in the early history !!! on: February 06, 2014, 12:58:24 PM
as i said in the other thread this why peer coin and nxt can sky rocket, mining tax/issue just not there.
1822  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC Beginning of the End ! on: February 06, 2014, 12:56:53 PM
this is why PeerCoin or nxt can skyrocket, mining tax not there.
1823  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Mt.Gox SCAM? $38million disappeared. Large sums affected. on: February 06, 2014, 12:53:51 PM
I think exchanges should post collateral / make their balances partly public through HD of other means. It's probably not that hard to do. Every exchange with closed books would then suffer from less confidence. This would be much more efficient than any local regulation.

I have no idea about their intentions. But it is very easy to see that technically they are not up to the ask. Just a couple of examples:

* use of SQL. the use of standard databases does not make much sense. SQL lets you do row selections on large tables. an exchange is not just a random large table. if even you hand optimize SQL you don't really know what you're doing.

* use of HTTP. GET/POST'ing orders is pretty inefficient. why would use want to use HTTP? there is this thing called the internet where we have TCP/IP. HTTP does not allow for the complex interaction between nodes that is needed (heartbeating as a basic example).

* the API. terrible design.

noted, the same applies for all major exchanges at the moment, but the others seem to have at least a rough idea what they are doing in terms of software engineering. it looks like MtGox doesn't even have proper test procedures. not even speaking about complex race conditions and latency issues. I haven't studied it, but I'm sure most exchanges can be attacked/gamed, not speaking of outright hacks. I would assume exchanges are a high value targets for blackhats. Wasn't there also the claim that MtGox withholds 30-50M$ from some past issue?


this is a very good idea, there is not reason why an exchange could not publish all BTC received and thats verifiable. This would attract a lot more confidence to that exchange and thus volume.

then the next side would be how much fiat they hold but thats easier to lie about. The question is how much BTC/FIAT is off the market but on the exchange ready to go.
1824  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Mt.Gox SCAM? $38million disappeared. Large sums affected. on: February 06, 2014, 12:51:06 PM
I am almost sure Gox is fractional reserve in BTC and FIAT.

I feel something has to give here, and once this is sorted out, it will be the next impetus to an evaluation even like what happened after SR1 went down.

So cheap coins then explosion in price.

You just can't have problems sending BTC, thats the whole point of the protocol.

Unless you don't have BTC to send.
1825  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: US Postal service looks seriously at BTC on: February 05, 2014, 11:56:45 AM
This is perhaps the most one of the most significant opportunity and important event in adoption go bitocin and crypto's.

The UPS even seemed to understand how colored coins work and to introduce a us post coin.

The UPS has all the money transmitter licences, many more physical locations banks, staff, official power, and is be forced by the gov to do something of be massively reduced.

This is the best news ever.

I dont think you even understand UPS is not US Postal Service.

Its a great news but dont wet yourself, and dont make every duplicated thread of an old news.


I made a typo I know UPS .NE. US postal service.

I could not find the other thread, the search is not the best in here.

1826  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / US Postal service looks seriously at BTC on: February 05, 2014, 08:02:06 AM
This is perhaps the most one of the most significant opportunity and important event in adoption go bitocin and crypto's.

The USPs even seemed to understand how colored coins work and to introduce a us post coin.

The USps has all the money transmitter licences, many more physical locations banks, staff, official power, and is be forced by the gov to do something of be massively reduced.

This is the good news.
1827  Economy / Speculation / Re: Could 200 Satoshi eventually = a Coke can? on: February 05, 2014, 02:00:54 AM
theres way more than 10 trillion dollars out there, try 1000T

your only looking at spending cash sort of money.

BTC/PeerCoin is looking to the store of wealth, backbone, appreciating assets. Thats where most of the value is going to come from

1828  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why have a bunch of the eMunie founders + familiar faces disappeared from eMu? on: February 04, 2014, 03:13:57 PM
I *wish* we could all just get along.

the code base when open will speak for itself.

if the code base is not opened then that effects price.

the incorporation is has little effect, in reality. I would say its more of a result of Dan going public from day 1.

even if dan did reward him self more, would't that incentives him to work harder to keep the value  coin?


you can probably decompile the java anyway if you really want to.






1829  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will Bitcoin reach $10,000 one day ? on: February 04, 2014, 10:32:57 AM
I plan on waiting 10 years for $100.000 or $1.000.000 .

I can live without the fiat that I've invested so no point in selling.

one think the infrastructure to support btc or ppc, or even nxt is a lot less than, use, in its paper,coin,or electronic forms, so I expect them to be a round much longer
1830  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hedge fund boss: Bitcoin over gold? Are you kidding? on: February 03, 2014, 10:12:29 PM
Even if at risk to get burned... Wink

Gold has been a store of value (distinct rarity) eons before the Internet was invented, holds no counterparty risks

yes it does have cuter party risk in that your counter part can never get it, the govt/thief's can seize it, that worse than courter party risk, try walking though any airport with 1 million in gold, With BTC no worries.


Quote
Since the Internet has long stopped being anonymous and efforts to store just about every single datastream for a certain timeframe of possible analysis are underway (look no further than your own governments, be it USA or the entire EU, Russia or China for that matter) and the only thing that holds the dam against complete mayhem is an SHA256 code segment....

Exactly you can't encrypt gold, gold doesn't even have the code segment.
1831  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Hedge fund boss: Bitcoin over gold? Are you kidding? on: February 03, 2014, 10:07:07 PM
Hedge fund boss: Bitcoin over gold? Are you kidding?

Hedge fund manager Paul Singer is "shocked" by Bitcoin's rise, especially given gold's fall.

"There is no more reason to believe that bitcoin will stand the test of time than that governments will protect the value of government-created money, although bitcoin is newer and we always look at babies with hope," Singer wrote in a letter to investors of his $23.3 billion Elliott Management on Jan. 27.

"If you want an alternative currency, check out gold. It has stood the test of thousands of years as a store of value and medium of exchange," Singer added.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2014/02/01/cnbc-bitcoin-gold/5038763/

the problem with gold it the state and others can seize it any time.
1832  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Opening Remarks on Lawsky, Superintendent of Financial Services for New York. on: February 03, 2014, 10:01:05 PM
I'm going to make a few opening remarks in response the "money laundering" comments of the Ben Lawsky, the Superintendent of Financial Services for New York.

http://www.cryptocoinsnews.com/2014/01/29/new-york-bitcoin-hearing-troubling-regulatory-view/

I may edit these later

[1] What does Lawsky, define as money laundering?

[2] The proposition that money Laundering is inherently wrong needs to be evidenced by a reasoned position not just mere assertion of activities Lawsky appropriates emotive labels.

[3] The examples of 'narco' trade and "terrorism' are emotive labels on activities that can attract other terms,

[A]running a legitimate business, e.g. an alcohol brewer, it just so happens that certain classes of drugs face prohibition.

[B.] one person's so called 'terrorist act' is to another Self defence, freedom fighter.

The real question in relation the [3] is what are the circumstances that lead to these activities if they are deleterious in Lawsky's view. To attack a form of payment of money, simply move the medium of exchange to another for. Dealing with money laundering rather than the basal problem, is like shutting the gate after the horse has gone.

Until the basal conditions that create certain business models are changed, then anti money laundering will do nothing, except waste tax payer money. State actors via legislative regimes and policy decisions are largely responsible for creation of the business viability of Narcotics and Terrorism.

[C]Where is the evidence to demonstrate Money Laundering causes and increasing such activities, it may be that money laundering actually causes a decrease or has no effect.

[4] The Acts and omissions of the government/banking system and its massive failure and servitude on the people, is far worse than any money "supposed laundering outcome", by orders of magnitude. Essentially the economic output of the a good percentage of  work force has been mis appropriated by Banks  and their associated institutions, including regulators, through their monopoly, state sanctioned position. The bail out of the banks in the GFC evidences this, using the tax payers to prop up failed banking decisions. Historically examples such as the great depression, with all it consequences are also instructive of a poorly function monetary system.

[5] The innovation that a thousand flowers can bloom, is the mechanism to deal with many of the in-efficiencies of the existing system that may resolve many of the circumstances that leads to deleterious behaviour (in Lawsky's view).

[6] As observed elsewhere persons such as Lawsky, are infected by either actual bias or apprehended bias because their job function can be made completely redundant by the BitCoin technology. Accordingly a person must sit whose position is not so affected.












1833  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Block chain size/storage and slow downloads for new users on: February 03, 2014, 09:42:32 AM
If devs would come up with solution which would at least halve blockchain, I bet people would donate larger sums as a "Thank you" message.

Fantasy.  Nobody donates, much less large sums.  This is a cute delusion.

While working as a volunteer core dev for years, I received a whopping...  ~30 BTC in donations.  https://blockchain.info/address/1BrufViLKnSWtuWGkryPsKsxonV2NQ7Tcj  The vast majority of that prior to 2013, leaving the monetary total well under $500 for years worth of work.

Donating will not bring down blockchain size.  Technically infeasible, even if donations work.  Which they don't.


donation of that size may work from in a quasi Seigniorage manner. If enough good dev is done due a sufficiently large following, the 30 coins at 10K each may eventuate, thus being 300K which would probably cover the dev cost.

However you have to wait, to see the net effect of combined dev via price discovery a few years down the track.

[it is in the interests of those with larger holding to donate or undertake dev as well]
1834  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [QQQ] emunie questions thread. on: February 03, 2014, 05:32:12 AM
Further recent evidence to support the emunie system (which is founded upon the Quantity Theory of Money) and how it will effectively solve the "imperfect information" dilemma that leads to a distortion of wealth being centralized among those at the top.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-02-01/how-central-banks-cause-income-inequality

How Central Banks Cause Income Inequality

Notable section:

This brings us to the second undesirable and unjustified source of income inequalities, i.e., the creation of money out of thin air, or legal counterfeiting, by central banks. It should be no surprise the growing gap in income inequalities has coincided with the adoption of fiat currencies worldwide. Every dollar the central bank creates benefits the early recipients of the money—the government and the banking sector — at the expense of the late recipients of the money, the wage earners, and the poor. Since the creation of a fiat currency system in 1971, the dollar has lost 82 percent of its value while the banking sector has gone from 4 percent of GDP to well over 10 percent today.

The central bank does not create anything real; neither resources nor goods and services. When it creates money it causes the price of transactions to increase. The original quantity theory of money clearly related money to the price of anything money can buy, including assets. When the central bank creates money, traders, hedge funds and banks — being first in line — benefit from the increased variability and upward trend in asset prices. Also, future contracts and other derivative products on exchange rates or interest rates were unnecessary prior to 1971, since hedging activity was mostly unnecessary. The central bank is responsible for this added risk, variability, and surge in asset prices unjustified by fundamentals.

To cover off for the academics in the audience.

One may suppose theoretically banks should give some value add for best allocation of capital. However the reality is Banks (via their decision makers) avoid market discipline at the the expense of the taxpayer as the recent GFC bail out demonstrated.

Banks suffer from a second problem they cannot gather information as rapidly or process it as well as the many individuals who know their needs and wants with much better details than a central plan, policy or lending scheme can determine.

The Banks/central banks position is further worsened as they both are bound by the political dogma of the day as to what types of lending they should make, and also capture the political discourse of a credit rating basis, which also obscures actual needs and wants of the market, but rather is synthesised by banking information providers, credit related rating agencies along various economic-political-rationales that are impossible to verify, test or rigorously support.

In short banks are have become a warehouse for money with first access to the bankers themselves at the detriment of most other sectors. Further Banks and currency issuers have faced little or no competition in relation to their model of issuance but have relied on state sanction license/fractional reserve model providing a virtual monopoly.

Given the numerous defects of the current banking system policy makers should perhaps welcome, crypto currencies, which offer the following benefits

[1] solves the technical side of zero counter party risk,
[2] remove an enormous amount of now redundant banking IT infrastructure and development, thus freeing that capital for better use.
[3] Provides competition for cheaper payment methods for goods and service
[4] With zero cost to the government/taxpayer provides a fully funded alternative model.
[5] Introduces a competing economic model
[6] Can significant reduces banking overheads, account keeping fees, building, tellers etc
[7] Reduce the need and cost for producing & transporting physical money
[8] Offers a very cheap solution to millions of unbanked.
[9] Provides an easily linked in system to participate in the global market and avoiding large transaction cost, including currency exchange costs.
[10] Provides competition to existing payment providers/processors
[11] increases business activity and generates new services.




1835  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How many bitcoins do you have (poll)? on: February 02, 2014, 12:49:16 PM
8% over 1000 wow.

actually only the same number of people could roughly be millionaires at this point because if they did hold others could not buy!!!!
1836  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Day I Decided To Make A Dogecoin on: February 02, 2014, 12:32:16 PM
great work

does the foundry have any wax mold facility, with a cnc then do a tool steel version, that would have a much better result, for a limited run, you may be able to get a way with a good CNC machine for most of it in any event.

finally a stamp and die onto billets could be good as well.

sand cast tends to be a bit rough.
1837  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [QQQ] emunie questions thread. on: February 02, 2014, 12:28:45 PM
if u want to keep this clean u should've started a self moderated thread
hmm maybe your right, but I think the free congress of idea and open discussion is okay too, people can just use the ignore button if they want to and self moderate as well.
1838  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [QQQ] emunie questions thread. on: February 02, 2014, 12:27:33 PM
Answer to 3)
* The ipo will be sold with 1 EMU = 0.1$, but eventually this will go up. It's just that the coin has been thought to be stable. There won't be any crazy volatility like for other coins, but a stable growth instead.
* The incentive as early adopters is to get interest every time new coins are produced. When eMunie create new coins, they are distributed 50% to hatchers and 50% to coins holders.

I honestly think the idea is unique, and the non-volatility might make it the first real virtual currency (as many consider bitcoin and alt to be commodities).


this was my understanding that you get interest on your holding when it goes up, as that keeps the price of the coin stable but give you more of them.

the magic recipes of how this is done is quite involved and the "magic" part.

What happens when usage goes, down, IDK, (I think it would have to be like friecoin, but I'm not sure it is.)


there also seems to be a buffer system which sure could be exhausted, but is far better than not having one.
1839  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: [QQQ] emunie questions thread. on: February 02, 2014, 11:33:59 AM
first question from r0ach
I have a few questions.  I brushed off eMunie completely and never looked into it due to IPO being mentioned in the old days, so maybe you can clear a few things up.

1)  Bitcoin was designed in a way to prevent central bankers from profiting off the issuance of currency.  Satoshi's profit margin for adopting use of the currency was exactly the same as anyone else that used it.  What is your low ball and high ball figure for what you will personally make if eMunie becomes successful?

2)  Since this project is close source, and I assume you hold some kind of trademarks/patents, what exactly stops you from selling the entire project to Goldman Sachs as soon as it gets big, and they charge everyone $20 a month, or hour, or day to use it, like some kind of AOL service.  This is just one example of the 5 million things I can see going wrong with personal ownership or direction of the project.
1840  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / [QQQ] emunie questions thread. on: February 02, 2014, 11:30:40 AM
emunie questions thread.
beta now open please go here
http://beta.emunie.com/






Much obliged if you could post Emunie questions in here, to keep the [EMUNIE] Open Beta One - Information & Schedulehttps://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444723.0thread clean as helpfully pointed out by Peachy.

If nothing else this can serve as a place holder while the forum gets back up.

The creator of emunie, and those with more knowledge may choose to answer these questions [I don't think I know enough to make many informred answers]

Regards.

J
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