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1841  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: [INFO] Νέες τεχνολογίες γύρω από το Bitcoin on: March 08, 2018, 01:26:02 PM
Αλλο ένα ασφαλή site για να κατεβάσουμε τα binaries είναι το bitcoincore.org .
Ο admin του bitcoin.org πρέπει να έχει γίνει compromised πολύ καιρό τώρα όπως δείχνει και αυτό το αρχείο των πρόσφατων reddit post του

https://archive.fo/mrXQY

αν και ο ίδιος βγήκε και είπε ότι ο λογαριασμός του έγινε hack εγώ είμαι βέβαιος ότι συνεχίζουν να είναι οι ίδιοι διαχειριστές σε αυτό τον λογαριασμό. Απλά η επίθεση στο Bitcoin έχει γίνει ποιο σοφιστικέ.
Νομίζω ότι αν κάποιος θέλει να ελεγξει το Bitcoin αυτό που θα πρέπει πρώτα να κάνει είναι να ελέγξει τα δημοφιλή social media κανάλια.
1842  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: [INFO] Νέα άρθρα για το Bitcoin on: March 08, 2018, 01:21:59 PM
BITCOIN-IS-WORSE-IS-BETTER

https://www.gwern.net/Bitcoin-is-Worse-is-Better
1843  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: CLAIM Bitcoin Forks on: March 08, 2018, 01:18:30 PM
απλά να υπενθημίσουμε ότι βάζουμε τα privet key μας μόνο αν πρώτα έχουμε μεταφέρει τα bitcoin μας σε άλλα wallet
1844  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cobra-bitcoin compromised. Bitcoin.org is not safe bitcoin site anymore on: March 08, 2018, 12:30:25 PM
And a reminder to anyone what this person says when his account was "hacked" Tongue

https://archive.fo/mrXQY



the sad is that this guy not even respect the thousand of hours that volunteers contribute to this site. He must step down from bitcoin.org asap.
1845  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cobra-bitcoin compromised. Bitcoin.org is not safe bitcoin site anymore on: March 08, 2018, 11:47:01 AM
we have and more.... Tongue

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Sometimes people think through things and change their mind, it’s shocking I know. At first I was hateful of Bitcoin Cash, but then realised that it’s not so bad as a niche tool for payments, similar to LN.

https://twitter.com/CobraBitcoin/status/971561261661028352

any news from Theymos? I think anyone must avoid to use bitcoinl.org until the situation to shuttle down. Is not safe to use and especially to download bitcoin binaries from a site that the admin is an account that hacked and compromised.
1846  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cobra-bitcoin compromised. Bitcoin.org is not safe bitcoin site anymore on: March 08, 2018, 12:45:57 AM
You don't have to like it.  But at the same time, you have to recognise that calling upon someone in a position of authority to take action and forcibly remove someone you perceive as a threat is wholly antithetical to the ideals you supposedly subscribe to as a Bitcoin user.  As is trying to orchestrate a witch-hunt complete with pitchforks and burning torches to take their ownership away by coercion.  That's not how we do shit here.  You can't "win" by abandoning the fundamental principles that guide us.  

Maybe just use your words and make a compelling case as to why Cobra is wrong to say what they're saying.  Then allow people to decide for themselves which one the correct view is.  You know, like a civilised human being.  Is it really that difficult?  

All this bandwagon/populist crap is just stirring up unnecessary drama.  If anything, you're hurting your own cause by provoking extreme reactions to what are actually pretty trivial issues.  If people like you were more tolerant of differing views, there would be less division in the community overall and there may not even have been a split that people would feel the urge or need to defend against.  

Or, to put it more succinctly, you have to accept responsibility for your own involvement in how BCH came to exist in the first place.

Think on that.

for what i understand you propose for all of us to have done a logical step down and accept the follow term to prevent the bcash fork.

1. That Craig Wright is Satoshi and that his proposal of big blocks, 20k nodes are the true satoshi vision
2. That Roger Ver is the most brilliant tech guy to bitcoin ecosystem and everything he says is very logical in tech terms
3. To accept the blackmail from Jihan Wu and the situation that miners has the most power to bitcoin ecosystem to cancel segwit activation for months and never UASF happens
4. To accept that the real rulers of Bitcoin ecosystem is miners and big companies and never fight back for segwit2x
5. To accept that every crap opinion has much more value that whet bitcoin engineers says.

If I could facepalm any harder I'd likely knock myself unconscious.  No.  Funnily enough, none of that mindless drivel is what I'm proposing.

What I'm proposing is that the more you obsess about Wright/Ver/Wu/etc the more power you give them.

These personalities aren't important.  If you had even a fraction of sense you'd realise people only think they're important because you and all the other paranoid nut-jobs on this forum literally can't stop talking about them.  You're like their greatest PR consultant.  Keep giving them all that free publicity and making people think they're a big deal.  Or, better yet:

Shut.  Up.  About.  The.  Goddamn.  Boogeymen.  You.  Utter.  Cretin.

You and those like you continually reinforce and perpetuate the rift you helped create by focusing on egos, agendas and other such pathetic vanities that are in absolutely no way useful to the goal of further advancing a revolutionary technology.  People like you are directly culpable for creating an environment where this "Us vs Them" tribalist caveman mentality makes it impossible for anything but further splits and fractures.  Literally everything you are is far more damaging to Bitcoin than your chosen devils could ever be.

It's like you're trying to make a bad situation worse.  Kindly do Bitcoin a favour and just stop existing until you have a clue in your head.  Please. 



lol
1847  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: Δημιουργία Ελληνικού site για το bitcoin. on: March 08, 2018, 12:25:01 AM
αφαίρεσα το link για το Bitcoin.org μέχρι να ξεκαθαρίσει η κατάσταση με τον cobra τον έναν από τους διαχειριστές του που υπάρχει υποψία ότι έχει γίνει compromised η ότι έχει πουλήσει τον λαγαριασμό του σε τρίτους. Μέχρι να ξεκαθαρίσει η κατάσταση θα πρέπει να θεωρείτε ως μη ασφαλής site για το Bitcoin και καλό είναι να αποφεύγουμε όλοι να κάνουμε παραπομπές σε αυτό.
1848  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: [NEWS] Τα νέα από το www.bitcoin-gr.org on: March 08, 2018, 12:22:37 AM
Κενό ασφαλείας στα ledger hardware wallet

https://www.bitcoin-gr.org/?p=7570


Hack attack σε trading bot στο ανταλλακτήριο Binance

https://www.bitcoin-gr.org/?p=7576
1849  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: [INFO] Νέες τεχνολογίες γύρω από το Bitcoin on: March 08, 2018, 12:15:20 AM
Υπάρχει υποψία ότι τα binaries του Bitcoin.org δεν είναι πλέον ασφαλή καθώς ένας από τους διαχειριστές του ο cobra-bitcoin υπάρχουν υποψίες ότι έχει γίνει compromised. Μέχρι να ξεκαθαρίσει η κατάσταση καλό είναι να μην τα κατεβάζουμε από εκεί αλλά να τα κάνουμε μόνοι μας compile από το github

https://twitter.com/brian_trollz/status/971532000510271489
 

εδώ οι οδηγίες πως θα κάνουμε τα binaries compile σε ubuntu

https://t.co/h71kxDhq2K

ο cobra-bitcoin είναι ένας από τους co-owner του bitcoin.org η τουλάχιστον αυτός ο λογαριασμός μπήκε ως co-owner στο site περίπου το 2013. Μέχρι και πριν περίπου ένα χρόνο αυτός ο λογαριασμός του ήταν τελείως silent. Πριν ένα χρόνο άρχισε να ενεργεί αρκετά παράξενα. Αρχικά με ένα warning ότι τα binaries στο .org δεν είναι ασφαλή, μετά ενώ έλεγε ότι το bcash είναι ένα attack στο Bitcoin μετά πρότεινε ότι το bcash θα κυριαρχήσει επειδή το ln θα αποτύχει ενώ πλέον ανοιχτά το προμοτάρει. Την ίδια ώρα προτείνειε το pow να αλλάξει την ίδια στιγμή που η asicboost πατέντα έχει open και μπορούν να την χρησιμοποιήσουν όλοι ενώ αρκετοί νέοι miner ετοιμάζονται να μπούνε στον χώρο. Δεν είναι παράξενο να θεωρήσει κανείς ότι αυτός ο λογαριασμός έχει γίνει compromised

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/82ofw9/cobrabitcoin_must_step_down_asap_from_bitcoinorg/dvcgmsb/
1850  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cobra-bitcoin compromised. Bitcoin.org is not safe bitcoin site anymore on: March 07, 2018, 11:16:22 PM
this is what Maxwell says about this cobra compromised acccount

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I get the impression that cobra sold his credentials last year: He put up some sketchy warnings about the binaries on bitcoin.org then went quiet for a long time.

When he came back he started posting some really over the top rbtc conspiracy theory nonsense on reddit. When people moved to take action about it he suddenly said "oh my account was hacked" and dropped it. But the account wasn't use for the kind of petty vandalism that you normally see when a hacked account can't otherwise be used... Since then he's been slowly cranking up the psycho behavior, and right now he seems not far from the sudden behavior of the 'hacked' account.

Given that I'm not surprised to see the BCH pumping, and of course ignoring that whatever "better for payments" argument you can currently make for BCH could better be applied to Litecoin (which also has a lower interblock interval, AND segwit) and yet litecoin has mostly gone nowhere.

FWIW, no one wants a POW change more than Bitmain. They crank out chips privately for even obscure POWs then dump them on the public once they've reached diminishing returns on their own production. With sha256d they're competing against a huge installed base. Moreover, Bitmain has gone around unethically and unlawfully claiming patents on basic mining techniques like series wiring the chips to reduce convert costs which were in use prior to Bitmain and where any competitive mining device for any POW would adopt the same techniques.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/82ofw9/cobrabitcoin_must_step_down_asap_from_bitcoinorg/dvcgmsb/
1851  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: Ανταλλακτήρια on: March 07, 2018, 11:10:50 PM
πριν λίγη ώρα είχαν πέσιε σχεδόν όλα τα ανταλλακτήρια και είχαν σταματήσει το trade μετά από το φιάσκο του binance που ένα trading bot που χρησιμοποιούσαν αρκετοί user μάλλον κάπως χακαρίστηκε και άρχισε μόνο να δίνει εντολές πώλησης bitcoin και αγοράς via Tongue
Γιαυτό αυτός ο χαμός που έγινε.

https://twitter.com/motherboard/status/971489901895176192
1852  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: [INFO] Νέα άρθρα για το Bitcoin on: March 07, 2018, 11:08:22 PM
Το παρακάτω αφιερώνετε σε όλους όσους διαδίδουν ότι το bitcoin χρησιμοποιείτε για όλα τα δεινά αυτού του κόσμου 

‘It Just Felt Like a Miracle’: Small Groups Win Big in Bitcoin Donor’s $56 Million Giving Spree


https://www.philanthropy.com/article/Anonymous-Bitcoin-Donor-Rains/242606/#.Wp4b2baJL8I.twitter
1853  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cobra-bitcoin compromised. Bitcoin.org is not safe bitcoin site anymore on: March 07, 2018, 10:13:08 PM
for what i understand you propose for all of us to have done a logical step down and accept the follow term to prevent the bcash fork.

1. That Craig Wright is Satoshi and that his proposal of big blocks, 20k nodes are the true satoshi vision
2. That Roger Ver is the most brilliant tech guy to bitcoin ecosystem and everything he says is very logical in tech terms
3. To accept the blackmail from Jihan Wu and the situation that miners has the most power to bitcoin ecosystem to cancel segwit activation for months and never UASF happens
4. To accept that the real rulers of Bitcoin ecosystem is miners and big companies and never fight back for segwit2x
5. To accept that every crap opinion has much more value that whet bitcoin engineers says.

and finally to accept now that Cobra, a silent account for years that get active the last months, is not compromised even when he promote things that has not sense.
No dude. Bitcoin ecosystem was not work like this and was not survive so many years with hippies and flowers.

chek2fire
take off your blockstream dev defense hat.. and instead of the band camp/defense attack rhetoric... argue about BITCOINS ethos and utility.
all people are trying to hint to you is that you care more about the blockstream devs having ultimate decision powers and no one else should

take a step back from the keyboard. make a cup of coffee and think long and hard about WHO/WHAT you are defending

i have already here a cup of coffee what is your point? And i never see as my friend scammers like CraigWright, Jihan Wu or Roger Ver.
1854  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cobra-bitcoin compromised. Bitcoin.org is not safe bitcoin site anymore on: March 07, 2018, 10:03:55 PM
no offense but i wonder the same for you with the kumbaya view of things. You mean that we must be happy that roger ver, craig wright and now cobra attack bitcoin and promote bcash because it will made it "stronger" Tongue ?
ok.... Tongue
is like someone to slap your face and not react because you expect to get stronger Cheesy

You don't have to like it.  But at the same time, you have to recognise that calling upon someone in a position of authority to take action and forcibly remove someone you perceive as a threat is wholly antithetical to the ideals you supposedly subscribe to as a Bitcoin user.  As is trying to orchestrate a witch-hunt complete with pitchforks and burning torches to take their ownership away by coercion.  That's not how we do shit here.  You can't "win" by abandoning the fundamental principles that guide us.  

Maybe just use your words and make a compelling case as to why Cobra is wrong to say what they're saying.  Then allow people to decide for themselves which one the correct view is.  You know, like a civilised human being.  Is it really that difficult?  

All this bandwagon/populist crap is just stirring up unnecessary drama.  If anything, you're hurting your own cause by provoking extreme reactions to what are actually pretty trivial issues.  If people like you were more tolerant of differing views, there would be less division in the community overall and there may not even have been a split that people would feel the urge or need to defend against.  

Or, to put it more succinctly, you have to accept responsibility for your own involvement in how BCH came to exist in the first place.

Think on that.

for what i understand you propose for all of us to have done a logical step down and accept the follow term to prevent the bcash fork.

1. That Craig Wright is Satoshi and that his proposal of big blocks, 20k nodes are the true satoshi vision
2. That Roger Ver is the most brilliant tech guy to bitcoin ecosystem and everything he says is very logical in tech terms
3. To accept the blackmail from Jihan Wu and the situation that miners has the most power to bitcoin ecosystem to cancel segwit activation for months and never UASF happens
4. To accept that the real rulers of Bitcoin ecosystem is miners and big companies and never fight back for segwit2x
5. To accept that every crap opinion has much more value that whet bitcoin engineers says.

and finally to accept now that Cobra, a silent account for years that get active the last months, is not compromised even when he promote things that has not sense.
No dude. Bitcoin ecosystem was not work like this and was not survive so many years with hippies and flowers.
1855  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: Bitcoin Forks on: March 07, 2018, 09:10:43 PM
Για όσους θέλουν να πάρουν το Bitcoin Gold, να ενημερώσω οτι υπάρχει wallet στο official site του Gold (Bitcoin Gold Core Wallet v0.15.0.2)
https://bitcoingold.org/downloads/
Θέλει κατέβασμα το blockchain και μετά εισαγωγή τα private keys. Ίδια διαδικασία με το Bitcoin Cash.
Φυσικά, πρώτα θα πρέπει να έχετε μεταφέρει τα Bitcoin σε άλλο wallet, και ακόμα καλύτερα να έχετε ήδη πάρει και το Bitcoin Cash.
Έτσι τα private keys θα είναι ""άδεια"", θα έχουν δηλαδή μόνο το Gold μέσα, οπότε σε περίπτωση που το wallet είναι scam, δεν χάνετε και τα υπόλοιπα.
Το συγκεκριμένο πάντως, δουλεύει χωρίς πρόβλημα.
Όποιος/α θέλει περαιτέρω λεπτομέρειες, ας επικοινωνήσει.

και φυσικά ποτέ δεν πατάμε σε link που ποστάρονται από λογαριασμούς με μηδενικά post. Κάνουμε μόνοι μας search στο google και από εκεί βρίσκουμε μόνοι μας το official site του gold και κατεβάζουμε το wallet.
1856  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: [INFO] Συζήτηση για την Ισοτιμία on: March 07, 2018, 09:08:50 PM
Τώρα έγινε epic crash που προήλθε αρχικά μάλλον από hack που έγινε σε λογαριασμούς πελατών στο binance που χρησιμοποιούσαν bot. Τα bot αυτά από τι διαβάζω πούλαγαν αυτόματα bitcoin και έκαναν αγορές viacoin. Αλλά και το kraken καποια στιγμή σταμάτησε κάθε συναλλαγή του ενώ σχεδόν σε όλα τα ανταλλακτήρια την ίδια στιγμή είχαμε μεγάλες εντολές sell.
1857  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cobra-bitcoin compromised. Bitcoin.org is not safe bitcoin site anymore on: March 07, 2018, 08:49:43 PM
Something fucked up is happening here. A few days ago he was whining about changing the proof of work algorithm to save bitcoin from the miners. Now he's full bcash which is 100% the pet of those evil centralisers.

It makes sense if you consider that a contentious hardfork which could potentially divide the Bitcoin community in half would be incredibly beneficial to BCH, because it would create further confusion about which Bitcoin is the "real" one.  Regardless of what the "noble cause" is purported to be, more disruption and infighting is categorically not the way forward.  I, for one, don't buy this notion that we need to "save Bitcoin from the miners" with the nuclear option of an algorithm change.  It's a pretty flimsy pretense for making an enormous mess and, personally, I don't believe it to be sincere.  

At best, Cobra simply isn't particularly knowledgeable about all this and they were the "silent partner" for all these years for a pretty good reason.  At worst, there's some sort of attempted manipulation going on that we shouldn't fall for.



Or maybe we could just try being adults about it and not be completely intolerant to different opinions.  Seems much easier than making a big deal out of it, not to mention drawing more attention and publicity to the opinions you appear to be offended by.  You're free to disagree, by all means, but you absolutely don't get to dictate what happens to stuff that other people own.  That's kind of an important principle here in crypto.  If it doesn't belong to you, it's none of your business.

once again.. Who cares what cobra or anyone else believes. He is freely to support what he says. I really dont care. The problem is that the same person and i talk about cobra is the admin of bitcoin.org. Bcash supporters not only support their shitcoin but they have a great interest to  do whatever they can to destroy bitcoin. Who says that in the near future cobra not comprimise bitcoin.org with a malware or start to promote bcash as the "real" bitcoin and promote Craig Wright as the "real" Satoshi?
This is my problem dude. Not his opinion.

It doesn't matter what you think the problem is.  Nor does it matter how dangerous he might be in your paranoid fanboy delusions.  It wouldn't even matter if he was under the direct influence of whatever boogeyman you're soiling yourself over at any given point in time.  That's all completely 100% irrelevant.  The point, which you seem utterly incapable of grasping, is you are in literally no position to say he can't own something that already belongs to him.

If you can't respect the basic concept of ownership, what are you even doing here?

You said:
Cobra must step down from bitcoin.org

No.  False.  Cobra "must" do nothing of the sort.  Get over yourself.  

You also said:
Imo cobra-bitcoin must remove asap from bitcoin.org or step down. Then he can continue to promote whatever he like as bcash, dollar, banks, IMF or whatever he like. Who cares.

No.  False again.  Having partial ownership of a domain name does not preclude Cobra from discussing topics you personally find undesirable.  Again, get over yourself.

Aside from that, I like how anyone who gives the slightest hint of legitimacy to BCH is automatically assumed to be the equivalent of a cyber-terrorist who is being mind controlled by Jihan or Roger.  It's good that you're being reasonable about these things and not resorting to grossly exaggerated caricatures.   Roll Eyes  

How do fruitloops like you even function on a day-to-day basis?  I honestly do wonder sometimes.

no offense but i wonder the same for you with the kumbaya view of things. You mean that we must be happy that roger ver, craig wright and now cobra attack bitcoin and promote bcash because it will made it "stronger" Tongue ?
ok.... Tongue
is like someone to slap your face and not react because you expect to get stronger Cheesy
1858  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Cobra-bitcoin compromised. Bitcoin.org is not safe bitcoin site anymore on: March 07, 2018, 04:07:41 PM
This is continue to getting better. His new answer to reddit discussion

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/82ofw9/cobrabitcoin_must_step_down_asap_from_bitcoinorg/dvbn3l0/

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Bitcoin Cash has its flaws, many of the prominent people in their community are shady and their development process is flawed. But if you ignore all the stupid ways it's marketed, in some ways, it's actually somewhat useful. There was a huge need for some type of blockchain with the particular characteristics of BCH;

yeah until now crypto world has not a tech miracle like bcash Tongue and after that he says Cheesy

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Litecoin never really took off in a big way for payments, and LN is many years off from being a reliable way to pay (and comes with its own set of issues which make it less suited for certain types of payments).


this is what says every day Roger Ver, Jihan Wu and Craig Wright. Is liek to copy paste them. Are we sure that the old cobra owner of the account has not sell it? Is very suspicious that cobra-bitcoin get out from silence after so many years and the last 8 months begin to promote all of this.
Even dogecoin has more txs from bcash and every tech guy understand what centralisation will bring node of 20k $ as Craig Wright says.
1859  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: [INFO] Συζήτηση για την Ισοτιμία on: March 07, 2018, 03:51:21 PM
και άλλα στοιχεία για το sell των bitcoin

https://twitter.com/alistairmilne/status/971377923885236226

πρέπει να μιλάμε και για inside trading σε αρκετά ανταλλακτήρια γιαυτό και το dump που έγινε όταν κάποιος έμαθε ότι αρχίζει αυτό το μαζικό ξεπούλημα τόσων χιλιάδων bitcoin από το mtgox
1860  Local / Ελληνικά (Greek) / Re: [INFO] Συζήτηση για την Ισοτιμία on: March 07, 2018, 03:06:25 PM
35 χιλιάδες bitcoin πουλήθηκαν τους τελευταίους 3 μήνες από το mtgox trustee που νομίζω έχει δημιουργηθεί για να αποζημιώσει τους πελάτες του mtgox όποτε και αν. αυτό μπορεί να δικαιολογήσει την πίεση που δέχεται η ισοτιμία τους τελευταίους μήνες

https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/82moph/35_000_btc_of_the_200k_mtgoxbtc_were_sold_over/#oo
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