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1841  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BitForce SC - full custom ASIC on: June 10, 2012, 06:13:31 PM
I bet they don't ship in any reasonable quantity until 2013.  I'm watching and waiting for OpenASIC - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=76351.0 - with it being opensource hardware its more likely to be cheaper and therefore more widely available and used.  Any change in the bitcoin protocol would make a current designed ASIC redundant.  So with opensource hardware to go with opensource software its more likely to be greater adopted meaning less chance of a change to the bitcoin protocol being applied wiping it out.
1842  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE - request for next features on: June 10, 2012, 05:46:37 PM
Couldn't the GLBSE work with the major bitcoin exchanges to enable people to invest in GLBSE assets with fiat payments.  Hey they could even accept PayPal.  It would certainly induce more investing and could even work as an expensive way of buying bitcoins?

I emailed support@glbse.com and they said they will be implementing this idea of cash payments into the GLBSE for bitcoin security's but not and never a PayPal option.
1843  Economy / Securities / Re: Red Star Mining - FPGA company - 1.30435MH/s@0.06739W per share to be paid on: June 10, 2012, 04:54:58 PM
The board has shipped I have the tracking number and am expecting it by Friday (2012-06-15).  I'm going to start charging £0.89 per board a week electricity once were running on two boards and £1.97 per week for electricity used by my PC to run the boards 24/7.  Once we have the RaspberryPi the £1.97 weekly PC charge will dropped to £0.08 a week.  We don't have enough funds yet to pay for the RaspberryPi and 400W PSU but I am hoping on being able to lend RSM the funds in return for shares from the 0.040btc IPO sale.

I've worked the electricity charges out by 45W*£0.1172kWh*24hours*7days for the boards and 150W*£0.1172kWh*16hours*7days for the PC.
1844  Other / Off-topic / Re: FPGA Shipping on: June 10, 2012, 03:47:39 PM
Just keep in mind FPGA will be dead once ASIC is released 500Ghash.

Yeah well there is still people buying new GPU's to mine with.  The new ModMiner with the new bitsream can do ~1GH/s@~50W.  Even after the block reward half's in December/January the difficulty would have to be extremely high to make 1GH/s@50W unprofitable.  The OpenASIC project is looking at ~8GH/s@~100W@~$3,000 and won't be out until next year probably.  Yes BFL have an announcement on June 15th but with an ASIC any change at all in the bitcoin protocol will make them obsolete.  So unless BFL's ASIC is very cheap I'm going to be waiting for the OpenASIC as that ASIC stands the chance of being the cheapest and most widely used.  Therefore reducing the chance of them being made obsolete.
1845  Other / Off-topic / Re: FPGA Shipping on: June 09, 2012, 07:39:25 PM
The ModMiner has started shipping - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=79637.0 - tho I think they state two to four weeks shipping?
1846  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE - request for next features on: June 08, 2012, 07:31:21 PM
Couldn't the GLBSE work with the major bitcoin exchanges to enable people to invest in GLBSE assets with fiat payments.  Hey they could even accept PayPal.  It would certainly induce more investing and could even work as an expensive way of buying bitcoins?
1847  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will you be a bitcoincard re-transmitters? on: June 08, 2012, 04:38:48 PM
Shouldn't this thread be on the "Project Development" board?
1848  Economy / Economics / Re: Why I think the 21Million hard limit will never be reached - deflationary spiral on: June 07, 2012, 06:28:45 PM

The basic idea is a self aware concious A.I more intelligent than humans will be created within the next forty years.  Which could invent a superior version of its self which in turn will invent an even cleverer version and so on.  An intelligence explosion and event horizon for mankind.  Just as Moore's law is predicted to fall off the singularity will kick in.

One could easily argue that an A.I. more intelligent than humans was created 40 years ago.  Certainly multiplication of large numbers was handled much faster by machines 40 years ago.  And yes, we use computers to design the next generation of computers.  So does this mean the singularity already happened?  What explosion or event horizon did we see? 
1849  Bitcoin / Project Development / Re: GLBSE - request for next features on: June 07, 2012, 05:08:50 PM
It may also be good for each assets volume chart for the completed asks and offers to be different colours?  
1850  Economy / Securities / Bitcoin(card) Fund on: June 07, 2012, 04:17:41 PM
http://bitcoincard.org/fund.php

Goals of the Fund


It is good for Bitcoin users to bring more people into the new economy. The greater the population and turnover, the better the quality of the environment. Experience working with new economic tools could be an advantage that can be translated into personal wealth. We all benefit from a growth in the number of bitcoiners.

The popularization of bitcoin is happening all by itself. The appearance of new decentralized protocols and economic enclaves is inevitable. However, there may be some hitches along the way. Without going into too much detail, we can mention two main factors: probable laws that will affect each person directly (for example, laws hindering the installation of a bitcoin wallet), and “cooperation” with large firms whose infrastructure might be essential for bitcoin to work (remember, for example, the story of PayPal vs. Wikileaks).

Taking all this into account, we believe that the bitcoin community faces the following challenges:

1.   To have the bitcoin economy infiltrate the off-line world. This can be done in many ways; one is the bitcoincard. This is necessary both to parry likely technical attacks, and also to bring the retrograde part of society (on which reactionary members of the elite always rely) into the new economy.

2.   To begin to account for ownership rights in technical form, similar to the bitcoin protocol itself. The world benefited from the fact that monetary transactions became decentralized, open and anonymous. Accounting for ownership rights will serve as a similar upgrade. Of course, the bitcoin protocol can’t be transferred directly, if for no other reason than the fact that anonymity requires a more subtle approach.


So, what we are proposing is a public discussion, and then the public formation of a new breed of collective investment fund. Naturally, having to deal simultaneously with the risk of the undertaking itself and the risk of a non-traditional financing procedure is scary. However, the Wall Street model of corporate financing of development of the bitcoin economy would be a complete oxymoron. Also, a series of recent large investment rounds have shown that risk in the traditional sector has grown noticeably (for example, the later-stage valuations for Zynga and Facebook were somewhat off the mark). Now then, let’s take a closer look at the goals and proposed structure of this alternative type of fund. The main goal of the Fund is to spread bitcoin all over the world, making life more peaceful, free and fair. More specifically, the Fund should:


1.   Gather enough funds to produce a sufficient number of bitcoincards to meet current demand.

2.   Support projects in the bitcoin economy that use bitcoincards or related applications in their operating model.

3.   Make joining the fund as simple as possible for everyone interested.

4.   Account for the ownership rights of fund participants using a register with an unparalleled technical level of transparency and decentralization.

5.   Ensure unprecedented transparency in every aspect of project development.

6.   Protect the project to introduce bitcoincards and related applications from the traditional infrastructure of venture capital and the stock market.

7.   Minimize or liquidate project risks associated with the management of traditional legal entities, their potential liabilities and the fact that they are open to lawsuits.

8.   Simplify and reduce the price of the cash flow traffic necessary to organize production and delivery of cards.

9.   Minimize or liquidate the tax burden on the project.

10.   Generate profits for fund participants.


Entry in the register of the Fund


You can join the Fund simply by depositing coins in one of its wallets. The management of all of the Fund’s wallets will be described soon. The entry in the Fund’s register is a single line (time of joining, the unique code of the owner, number of shares, public key of the owner, last valuation of the Fund by the owner and its date/time).

The code of the owner is a regulated set of symbols that is assigned to an investor. For example, John Smith or Fr56H 456Y. The time of joining is the moment of receipt (accurate to the second) of coins by a wallet belonging to the Fund’s set of wallets. The register services entries with the same owner’s code but different times separately. Any consolidation techniques or external resale are performed at the sole discretion of investors.

The number of shares is determined using a basic iterative formula. Suppose there are two entries in the Fund at a time t0: on 10% and 90% of the shares, respectively. The total value of the Fund has been announced as X coins by mutual decision of the two owners. In general, a simple system of weighted voting is used to take decisions in the Fund: the representative behind each fund entry can submit the wording of a decision for a vote (in this case, the announcement of the price); during voting, the weight of the votes (voting power) will correlate directly with the shareholding, without any privileges. As for the specific task of valuation of the Fund, the result is equal to the weighted average amount, and the last entry (decision) of an individual participant is shown in the register of rights itself.

Of course, owners may overvalue the fund, but this will only result in the drying up of the inflow of new investors, leading to a forced revaluation. So, from the time t1 the amount Y is deposited, and the corresponding third entry is made in the register of the Fund: (t1, user_3/(X+Y)%, key_3). Accordingly, the 10% and 90% shares of the previous owners are reduced by 10%*Y/(X+Y) and 90%*Y/(X+Y). For example, if Y=X, the new shares will be 5%, 45% and 50%. In other words, it is enough for someone to contribute an amount to the fund that exceeds its valuation to gain control over the fund.

Once again: the Fund is valuated on an ongoing basis; the current supply of potential investors is counterbalanced by the ambition of the voting investors. If there is a sufficient number of both, the process becomes smooth and effective. There could be as many alternative and independent websites for valuation of the Fund by potential investors as needed.

The problem of the Fund being undervalued (due to owners of entries in the register who do not pay attention to the Fund) is easily resolved: the valuation is only taken into account if it is sufficiently “up to date”. The period to obsolescence of the valuation is set from time to time by a specially announced vote, similar to the Fund’s other important decisions.

The last variable mentioned in the register entry (the owner’s public key), the secure voting system (the log of the Fund’s actions), the management of all the Fund’s wallets, the principles of the register’s distributed storage protocol, the log of the Fund’s decisions, and the other technical aspects will be set forth in more detail by the group of potential investors that have tentatively signed up (see the section “Launch of the Fund” below).


Intellocratic model of Fund management


The Fund does not have a board of directors, management company or other structure with some sort of exclusive rights. The activity of the Fund is absolutely transparent. All actions that involve costs using the Fund’s cash are entered in a single log. The log of actions, like the register, is distributively stored. It cannot be lost or replaced.

Any Fund participant can forward an action for consideration. A decision of a weighted average majority is needed for the action to proceed. When taking computable (“smooth”) decisions (for example, valuation of the Fund), the result is a weighted average numerical figure. For example, in the case of the two entries in the register (10% and 90%), during the valuation of the first participant of 1000 coins and the second of 2000 coins, the valuation of the Fund will equal 0.1*1000+0.9*2000. When taking quantum decisions (one specific wording from several proposed options), the option that receives a weighted average majority of votes is chosen. For example, in the above case of the two entries in the Fund, all such decisions will be taken by the owner with the largest share in the Fund.  One can assume that the two-dimensional structure of the log will become unworkable fairly quickly. Therefore, when determining the density and level of diversification of the required decisions, the Fund will be forced to transition to one of the models of network intellocracy (democracy in which each vote has a weight corresponding to its proven expert status). Such algorithms exist, but the choice of a complicated model will slow development at the early stages. Real, practical steps (and the unavoidable small errors) are needed to find a truly suitable method of crowdsourcing. 


Cooperation with the non-bitcoin world 


Diversification, namely a large number of legal entities throughout the world, is needed to ensure the security of the Fund’s property. This property consists primarily of bitcoincards and their components during their production and delivery. We must reduce the temporal, spatial and judicial (legal) concentration of property to a minimum. The path from components belonging formally to their manufacturers to the anonymous cards in people’s pockets should be as short as possible time-wise, and as complicated as possible from the standpoint of the plurality and bifurcation of chains of ownership rights.


Launch of the Fund


The Fund should be organized in a way that excludes any type of manipulation. If there is a sufficiently large number of entries in the distributed register, manipulation will be nearly impossible. At the initial stage, however, the aforementioned arrangements could be open to manipulation. For example, a majority of owners could agree on a temporary (and simultaneous) decrease or increase in valuations in order to bar certain investors from the Fund (or, on the contrary, to “ram through” certain investors). 

To minimize such occurrences, the following must be done:

1.   As many participants as possible should be recruited up front (prior to the general opening of the Fund), so the vote on the valuation can be taken calmly, outside the software procedures of the Fund. This first group should join the Fund at the same time, at the time of its opening.

2.   The software codes responsible for the distributed keeping of the register and the log of actions of the Fund should be made publicly available in advance, to exclude mistakes and manipulation in the future. The capacity of the mechanism for maintaining the log to debug itself should be tested.

http://bitcoincard.org/fund.php
1851  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: What do you do with mined coins? on: June 07, 2012, 03:15:27 PM
I invest them in the GLBSE or deposit them for interest payments.
1852  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Intersango Exchange on: June 06, 2012, 07:14:31 PM
I thought you process transactions seven times a day?  I deposited via UK online banking nearly twelve hours ago.  I really hope this isn't the third time in three months for me that's it's taken longer than 24hrs to deposit as your bank will receive my transaction instantly or up to two hours at the very latest.
1853  Economy / Securities / Re: Red Star Mining - FPGA company - 1.30435MH/s@0.06739W per share to be paid on: June 06, 2012, 06:49:19 PM
New Motion Created

As the following

To use 3btc of RSM funds to advertise the company for new investment to speen up the purchase of board #3.  With Anonymous Ads I have already donated 0.5btc to test it out.  YES advertise to speed up sale of shares for board #3.  Or NO save the money
1854  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: [Resolved] Does there anyone can contact Nefario on: June 06, 2012, 05:54:29 PM
I haven't been able to access my account for days now and tech support seems to be ignoring me.

I asked this:
"Having fixed my browser permissions to show the capcha I'm being told my auth-code is no good but I'm providing the one supplied by the authenticator."

I got this reply:
"after checking your account everything is working fine.

You need to keep in mind that you must enter your two factor
authentication code when logging in(as you have enabled two factor
authentication)."

I had been using 2 factor auth successfully but after many attempts over the past couple of days, using google authenticator, and with no tech support I am completely flummoxed.

I am glad my account appears in order however would very much like to get back to investing.

Your assistance would be much appreciated.

Have you emailed - support@glbse.com - he only works during office hours Monday to Friday and this Monday and Tuesday in the UK were a public holiday.  You should get a reply soon if you emailed - support@glbse.com
1855  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Introducing the ModMiner Quad 800Mhash @ 40 Watts http://www.BTCFPGA.com on: June 06, 2012, 05:10:24 PM
How long until that new bitstream to take the boards to over 1GH/s@50W be ready?
1856  Economy / Securities / Re: Red Star Mining - FPGA company - 1.30435MH/s@0.06739W per share to be paid on: June 06, 2012, 05:09:00 PM
Our supplier cablepair stated in his ModMiner thread the boards will be shipped this Friday (2012/06/08) - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=79637.msg944709#msg944709 so get ready for the dividend to double.  Also by the time it arrives the new bitstream should be ready taking us from 800MH/s a board to over 1GH/s a board.
1857  Economy / Currency exchange / Buy Bitcoins (Anonymously) and quickly UK on: June 06, 2012, 02:08:38 PM
Please check the site - http://buybitcoins.blogspot.co.uk/
1858  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: CPU Mining | Is it worth it with these numbers? on: June 06, 2012, 11:29:26 AM
why not mine litecoins on idle cpus?

I agree mining litecoins with CPU's is definitely more profitable than bitcoin.
1859  Economy / Economics / Re: Why I think the 21Million hard limit will never be reached - deflationary spiral on: June 05, 2012, 08:13:33 AM
"Technological Progress Grows Exponentially and Reaches Infinity in Finite Time". This is a contradiction. The exponential curve reaches y=infinity @ x=infinity. So the referenced page fails to define exponential growth.

You can't have "infinite progress in finite time". I agree that this is impossible.
Alright then.
Keep in mind that the site just quotes the book on the subject. So this is an "official" position.

Lets define the singularity as "technology growth reaches the rate of x2 per day.". Do you think that this is impossible?
I can't tell if it is possible.
It also could 12233x per month or 0.12x per second or whatever.

But that's irrelevant hence the above definition of it. What you are proposing is something else, just a point on a slope not a singularity (hence the name (!) )

Well... a few weeks after that point, it will be x2 per second. So, close enough. It's just a trend line, not an exact mathematical exponential function.

I don't think "singularity" is meant to be taken literally. The idea is that growth, at some point, will be so absurdly fast that it will represent an unimaginably profound shift in society/human existence. Think of it in terms of "paradigm shifting events". See this resource to get an impression of this:
http://www.singularity.com/charts/page17.html

All it's really saying is that the next "event" is coming within our lifetime. Considering the exponential nature of technological growth (growth is proportional to size. f(x) = df/dx), it seems pretty inevitable to me.

Sorry for being so off topic.



Wow that is a lot of hand waving.  Maybe we can fly soon.

What do you mean by "technological growth"?  it looks like you are using a scalar quantity "f" in your equation.  What does it represent? 



The basic idea is a self aware concious A.I more intelligent than humans will be created within the next forty years.  Which could invent a superior version of its self which in turn will invent an even cleverer version and so on.  An intelligence explosion and event horizon for mankind.  Just as Moore's law is predicted to fall off the singularity will kick in.
1860  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: glbse password reset problem on: June 05, 2012, 07:57:16 AM

Tho you might not get a reply until tomorrow with the UK having a public holiday today.
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