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18521  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: February 17, 2015, 11:42:40 PM
How can you tell which month the Jupiters boards were manufactured in?
18522  Economy / Exchanges / Re: [OFFICIAL]Bitfinex.com first Bitcoin P2P lending platform for leverage trading on: February 17, 2015, 06:08:52 PM
How does the maintenance margin work exactly? Its at 15%

If you use maximum leverage, your initial margin is 30% - out of your total position size, you pay for 30% yourself and take out swap to pay for the other 70%. The amount you owe to the swap provider remains fixed, so as the price goes against you and the total value of your position shrinks, the percentage of it that's marked as "owed" increases, and the amount that you own "yourself" shrinks. If that part shrank to 0% you'd have a position worth exactly what you owe and would absolutely have to be liquidated immediately to avoid loss. For safety, the margin call comes when 'your' portion is 15%

So if you started out with the price at $200, with $100/0.5BTC of your own, you'd be able to borrow and sell another 1.166BTC to get $233, bringing you up to a total of $333 of which you provided $100 (30%). You'll continue to owe your swap provider 1.166BTC, so your position remains open until the position as a whole is worth 1.372BTC - at that point you have 1.166 owed and 1.372-1.166 = ~0.2BTC owned, (and 0.2 is 15% of 1.372, or at least it is when you use the exact numbers rather than these rounded versions)

Since you have $333, the specific price point where that's worth 1.372BTC is $242/BTC, but the maximum distance from your starting price will vary - it'll be the same percentage difference each time, so long as you always use the same degree of leverage, and it'll be more "forgiving" (further away) if you use less leverage, since you then start out owning a larger percentage of your position, so it takes longer to shrink down to 15%

tl;dr: Your margin call comes when (Position value - Swap debt)/Position value ≤ 15%

Or to rearrange that a bit, when Position value = Swap debt/0.85 (since your swap debt is a fixed quantity you can calculate that one ahead of time and work out what pricepoint implies that position value)

Yes thanks for the explanation. I was used to margin and initial margin when it came to stocks but here its confusing because it BTC. Thanks for the formula it makes sense.

So if I start out with a price of $200. with $100/0.5BTC of my own and I only sell another 0.5BTC in swap. So my total sell order is 1.0BTC

I currently have 0.5BTC and I borrow another 0.5BTC. So my swap dept is =0.5BTC

Position Value = 0.5/0.85 = 0.588 BTC

So with a starting price of $200, the margin call would occur at $200 / 0.588 = $340 ?
18523  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: February 17, 2015, 05:21:52 PM
I know this is currently off topic in this topic. But what is the speed of the old KNC Jupiter miners? I read rates anywhere from 450 - 800 GHs?
18524  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] Antminer S3s, PSU's, GPU's and other Misc. GPU Farm Stuff on: February 17, 2015, 06:24:14 AM
Can you ship to Canada?
18525  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Cointerra Hardware Support **Unofficial on: February 17, 2015, 06:20:29 AM
I see one of these advertised on eBay. Wondering if its worth buying or are they all badly built. Power isn't an issue. Just need it to be quiet and reliable.
18526  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: CoinTerra announces its first ASIC - Hash-Rate greater than 500 GH/s on: February 17, 2015, 06:18:37 AM
Saw one of these being listed on eBay. Was going to bid until I read all these posts about the hardware being very unreliable. Its weird because I always heards Terraminers were bullet-proof.
18527  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Script asic miners - Fully liquid cooled 175Mh/s+ rig. on: February 17, 2015, 04:14:49 AM
LOL


SCAM!
18528  Economy / Gambling / Re: Primedice | Most Popular & Trusted Bitcoin Game | Huge Community | Free BTC | 1% on: February 17, 2015, 04:06:51 AM
It seems all the winners on Primedice are the ones who are betting with 9900x. Too bad the faucet has a time delay. Would of been a sure way to win.
18529  Economy / Investor-based games / Re: BTC-Flow.com ★ Business Ponzi Game ★ 300%+ Return ★ Invest BTC ★ Referral on: February 17, 2015, 04:05:43 AM
I am surprised that this website still exists. Maybe its because it get bumped up every few minutes.
18530  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] SPONDOOLIES SP20E + EVGA 1300 SUPERNOVA (CA) on: February 17, 2015, 01:54:34 AM
Can't you underclock these things to make them run quieter?
18531  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] SPONDOOLIES SP20E + EVGA 1300 SUPERNOVA (CA) on: February 17, 2015, 01:18:28 AM
If these things werent so loud I would take it in an instant. But running at 90% FAN must be pretty annoying.
18532  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: Buying damaged/blocked mobile phones from EU on: February 16, 2015, 10:55:40 PM
If you have a mobile phone laying around that is damaged/broken or blocked and you want to sell it contact me.

I have a 5S which fails to charge/sync. Has a faulty PMIC. You need a hot air soldering station to repair this.

IMEI is clean. Not icloud locked.
18533  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTS] 28x 1TH Dragon Miners (USA) on: February 16, 2015, 09:36:37 PM
What kind of PSU?
18534  Other / Obsolete (selling) / Re: [WTS] 2X antminer S5 with family-friendly fans on: February 16, 2015, 09:35:12 PM
I agree with the other poster. You are asking too much. The fan mod add zero value. Its just like adding a spoiler onto a car, it does not increase the cars value.

Your whole analogy about Bitmain being on vacation for 10 days doesn't add much merit either. Mining for 10 days is what? $10 extra? I would rather wait 10 days and get a BRAND NEW MINER with warranty then buy a used one.

You can't sell something used for the same price or more of it being brand new. If you are serious about selling this, then you would lower the price and you would find a buyer asap but since you are asking this much its means you are not serious about selling.

I don't understand why you would sell this either. Even if you pay for electricity its still making you money. No reason to sell. Price and difficulty are stable right now.


So either lower your price to the other threads and sell it at market value or remove this listing. People aren't stupid and won't overpay.

This post is similar to the other thread where someone bought a brand new SP20 and wanted to sell them $100 over retail.  And they were surprised and offended when people made offers.

Good luck with sale.

18535  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTB] Corsair CX Series - 8 pin to 2x (6+2) PCI-E Cable HELP! on: February 16, 2015, 09:23:17 PM
Got this extra one with my ThermalTake



The Red is 8 pin? For sale?

Where abouts are you located. Need to find how out much to ship.

18536  Economy / Gambling / Re: DirectBet – LIVE Sportsbook & Racebook. Rated # 1 by Bitcointalk Members ! on: February 16, 2015, 04:11:16 PM

Yes he is pretty good. I saw him bet recently and was quite impressed.

I am really bad at sports bets. You need too much experience. Much different then poker.
18537  Economy / Gambling / Re: SealsWithClubs.eu | Largest Bitcoin Poker Site | No Banking | Fast Cashouts on: February 16, 2015, 04:10:07 PM
Honestly its just crazy how long this website was down.

With all the exchanges getting hacked and clients money stolen, people are just starting to panic.
18538  Economy / Gambling / Re: ➫ ➬ ➫ ➬ LUCKYB.IT ★ +36k BTC wagered ★ win up to 110BTC instantly! on: February 16, 2015, 04:08:18 PM
Confirms are usually never required because by the time you spend the money it should get confirmed.
18539  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTB] Corsair CX Series - 8 pin to 2x (6+2) PCI-E Cable HELP! on: February 16, 2015, 03:01:03 AM
Got this extra one with my ThermalTake

18540  Economy / Computer hardware / Re: [WTB] Looking for Mining ASICs in Canada (Antminer S3,S2,etc) on: February 16, 2015, 01:40:10 AM
BUMP!!!!!!
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