What did they make the basis of the case that he actually owned bitcoins at that point? Just his word?


So basically all he's done is claim he has x amount and provided the public address of such which anyone could do, but no actual proof of him ever actually owning or having access to them and them being in a trust is the excuse as to why he can't? Is there a list of addresses he's publicly claimed to have owned?

It's not gambling if there's no money at stake and that's the key issue you're missing. They're just taking about sports. Talking about sports isn't gambling, so technically it shouldn't be in a sub board of Gambling. If you stake money on something then it belongs in there but mere discussion of it isn't.


Well the point is is that they're not gambling related and are more fitted to belonging in off topic or even their own sub in there. Merely discussing sports isn't gambling. Its the same as discussing films or what potential films are going to be made and who's going to be cast in them. That would be discussion that belongs in Off Topic. If you were betting money on when or if the films were going to come out and who might be potentially cast then that would be different matter but that's not what's going on in the majority of sports threads.


I think the issues is that most of the content/threads is off topic, specifically if there's no gambling going on. It's just sports talk otherwise. Maybe Sports Discussion should be it's own board as that's essentially what most of it is and if so then it would belong in Off Topic.

Craig Wright is a habitual liar and fraudster. He probably doesn't have anywhere near that amount of bitcoins if many at all and his claims of having them or at the very least so many were just to try bolster his obviously fraudulent claim of being Satoshi, because it's widely assumed he holds them. If he did have as many as he claims and from such an early time period he could have easily proven such and also that he was satoshi or at the very least a very early adopter by singing a message from some of the addresses he owns. He admitted he can't do that and came up with some bullshit excuse about this trust to try weasel out of proving it. So, sorry to say but the Kleiman's are probably entitled to 50% of nothing and even if he does hold substantial holdings he isn't ever going to hand them over and will come out with whatever BS to prevent that, but my guess is he just doesn't have them in the first place (or anywhere near as many as he claims) and the Kleiman's only went after him because of the lies he told about having them or being satoshi.

Yeah, I wouldn't put money on those sort of odds but just see it as a free lottery. Your odds of winning the lottery are astronomical, but people do win it and as they say you've got to be in it to win it. It's not like you have to do anything extra anyway and it's just there in the background. Would be cool if someone from here won something though. You never know, someone might get lucky. I wouldn't even think about it though and just concentrate on doing your best in the pool. It's why it's worth taking the risk with some picks though as there's always going to be some upset or crazy score nobody sees or predicts but that's half the fun.

Those are the prizes from the previous pool. I'll update them later.

Yes. Why wouldn't you? Though the odds of winning one of the cash prizes are astronomical, especially when you consider only one person from the entire site can win each so even if you managed to get the correct scores right if someone else did and they have more points than you overall then they will win. Pretty shitty but I guess they can't afford to send prizes out to everyone who gets them right.

Yes. I've just been counting the 'yellow caps'.


Yes. In addition to the main top five places there are 5 consolation prizes for the highest scorers in a round so even if it becomes apparent that you're unlikely to win a top spot you're still in with a chance of winning something:

Main prizes (minus any fees if there's not enough to cover it):

0.04 1st
0.03 2nd
0.02 3rd
0.01 4th
0.005 5th

Consolation prizes:

0.005 1st
0.0025 2nd
0.0025 3rd
0.0025 4th
0.0025 5th

You're right that most of the mere sport discussion doesn't belong in there if they're not really discussing gambling, and even then it technically probably should be about bitcoin gambling only. The Gambling Discussion board is just a product of sig campaign spam as a lot of campaigns wanted posts in the Gambling board for obvious reasons, but there's only so much you can say about gambling before you exhaust your possibilities, so people started creating threads for every possible league of sport in the world to rack up their posts and meet their quota which dwarfed all the actual threads about bitcoin gambling sites etc so that sub board was created to separate it. I don't suppose it matters really where it but at least it's in its own section so if you or anyone else doesn't want to see it they don't have to.

I didn't realise there was an international break. Boring.

Top five highest scorers so far:

cryptofrka 16.5
hilariousandco 14.5
Sojourner 14.5
BitcoinSupremo 13 tied
hahay 13 tied

I'm sure these will all be usurped by much higher scores as the season progresses so don't be disheartened. Everyone is still in with a chance of winning the top prizes as well.

If anyone wants to join the Champions League pool who haven't already signed up please state your interest here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5154317.0

Money will be collected early next week and it'll be around £25 again.

I really wouldn't worry about your position right now as it's far too early. Everyone is always in for the running for a top score from a round as well, and a couple of good weeks can send you straight to the top. You don't even need to get correct scores as doing well on getting all the outcomes right and especially a close prediction is much better than getting one or two exact scores. The user mattle was mid table for a lot of last season then had a really great run in the last month or so to clinch a top 5 spot. I was the opposite and kind of blew it in the same time-frame and ended up mid table myself. I went straight into 1st position in the 1st week with the highest score from the round and then the last round I barely got two points. It can happen to anyone so all you need to do is just keep trying, but that's the fun of it.


Yeah, but don't you have to get all the scores exactly right? That's probably some lottery style odds. Probably even much worse to be honest.  It's worth playing though as the stars may align  . Don't forget superbru also offer cash prizes for correct scorelines: https://www.superbru.com/premierleague_predictor/prize_jackpot.php

It doesn't mean anything really. I am only one mod and others may feel differently. As I said, ref links are technically against the rules in most cases and they'll also be taken on a case by case basis but as you said there's not that many that do and I doubt many of them make much from them anyway. Again, I personally am not that bothered by them if someone is being helpful by offering tips but that's just me. Some users clearly put more effort in to them than others. Joca97's use of them seems fine to me, personally.

Theymos probably doesn't want to restrict users and there will be times when new users will be able to get loans genuine or not, but it's not against the forum rules for them to ask with or without collateral and it's something the staff wouldn't get involved with anyway so it's left up to the users to police. The lending section is mostly pointless to me anyway. I think most of the people who use it do so just to try easily build up some reputation or easily get some positive feedback. Taking out a loan when you have adequate collateral seems silly to me. Why do you need a loan if you have the money in something else? I wouldn't necessarily be against restricting it to certain users, but I think it's best just to leave it as it is because people will still come here to ask for loans whether they're allowed in that section or not. For those that do it's best just to tell them that they're almost certainly not going to get a loan without some form of collateral.

Technically they're against the rules, but people kinda started to get a free pass in the Gambling Discussion sub a while back. Personally, I don't really care about them regarding users like tipsters who are giving their picks away for free and include a ref link if anyone wants to put the bet through them. At least they're putting some effort or at least thought into their posts, but I'm sure many others (including mods) would disagree. If someone just signs up to post a ref link though that would be a different story. Theymos will probably say take them on a case by case basis but I'm sure everyone has a different opinion on in what context they should or shouldn't be allowed (especially regarding tipsters).

2.5 points from that round total lol. Can't believe Spurs lost to Newcastle and at home. Nobody predicted that outcome, not unexpectedly. I have Newcastle to go down on an accumulator as well. Spurs can't be throwing points away like that if they want to stay in the running for the title, but I think it's going to be down to Liverpool and City all the way.

Highest scorers so far in the running for the consolation prizes (though I expect all of these will be surpassed fairly quickly):

hilariousandco 14.5
Sojourner 14.5
BitcoinSupremo 13 tied
hahay 13 tied

I prefer using PayPal when necessary. It's great for ebay and other such online services. One or two clicks and you don't have to give the site your bank details and you're also protected if anything goes wrong. It's obviously not perfect and every business has to make money but we need payment processors regardless of whether you're using fiat or crypto. Which ones you use is entirely up to you and if there's cheaper/better ones people should vote with action. I haven't sold anything on ebay in years mostly due to their fees, but I still buy lots from there and it's the sellers who have to pay the price of fees not the buyers luckily. 


Well it's the same with Credit Cards. In fact, I think they offer even longer, maybe up to a year or something. I've never had a chargeback happen to me that long after. They're normally within a week or two when the person had claimed an item didn't arrive, but I'm sure PP would require some good reasoning as to why you've only just decided to try the charge-back 6 months later.

You were saying?  It seems a lot of people backed the draw last night and most at 1-1. I did think about changing it to 1-2 but glad I stuck to my guns this time. Nice to see both Manchester's dropping two points from this round.


Not for me. Thanks Pogba for the 3 points  .


I didn't do that great either really. Got 6 nul points but 2 close and 2 correct scores from the last two games, which was just enough for me two creep back into first. Had I not got the last two right it would have been a disastrous round.

There is only one true fake Satoshi and that is Craig Wright  .

If the real satoshi wanted to make himself known I'm sure he could easily do it in multiple ways. But ask yourself this, why did the real satoshi go to such great lengths to hide his identity. It's almost like he didn't want to be found. These other guys seem desperate to be found and want to make you believe they are satoshi just for their own financial gain. Again, if the real satoshi did want to re-appear, I'm sure he would and could easily prove it in multiple ways (unless he's dead, then probably impossible).


Well there you go. He's just trying to get attention to promote something he's involved in. Case closed.


Damn. I'm busted.

Well the opposite is also true as well. I think we'll be up by the season ends as long as bitcoin doesn't tank during the season and then it has a long way to climb back up before the halving to get back to where it is now.


I'm not sure what to go with but I don't think I'd back them to win. Maybe a draw or 1-2 to United. Haven't made my mind up yet but this could be one of those games where the gamble on going for the shock could pay off. Or not.

Oh, and thanks to buwaytress for sponsoring both the pools.

PayPal, as well as payment processors (including bitcoin based ones) have their place, especially regarding payment protection. Do you use ebay? Pretty much impossible to use it without it really, and I really wouldn't like to buy something from certain sellers without some sort of third party protection. Same goes for certain bitcoin purchases. Of course in an ideal world we wouldn't need them but sadly we do.


Think of it as an escrow service. Do most escrows work for free? Whilst Paypal fees can be a lot, I'm sure bitcoin escrow fees are pretty similar, but there's always going to be a price to pay for the security they offer. I'd much rather have the security of PayPal with using a new website as I know if there's any issues I'll be able to get my money back. Of course it's that's same loophole that allows fraudsters to flourish but at least I'm not doing anything wrong and I know my money is protected in case of issues.

The main point of bitcoin is that you can be your own bank and no third party or bank account is needed. Maybe this is unnecessary for you, but for many others it's not. Some people don't or can't have a bank account and bitcoin is a solution to that. Many people are also treating bitcoin like a speculative asset as well where there's money to be made from trading or even holding it (know as hodling here), but that doesn't come without risk. If none of that interests you then bitcoin might not be for you, but I think everyone should try own a little bit of bitcoin whether it's to hold as a long-term investment or just to be a part of the revolution. What you do with it is entirely up to you though.