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1861  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 08, 2016, 02:14:16 PM
Sorry you just don't comprehend. Will I receive your apology when you later realize you were wrong, as you did on Iota and again on your other failed idea for DAG-like design.

How many times I have taught you, yet you still don't respect me. Sigh.

You are hilarious. Lets see your fabulous white paper - I look forward to it with the utmost enthusiasm.

I am not hilarious. I guarantee you are wrong. If you could simply wrap your mind around the fact that no one will attack if it is not profitable for them to do so, and the analyze the ways they can profit, then you will likely realize your error.
1862  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 08, 2016, 01:51:57 PM
Profitable PoW just seems harder to attack by irrational actors than unprofitable PoW on an unpartitioned system.

Rational actors in unprofitable PoW have no incentive not to attack the system. At least if it's profitable there is the mining incentive.

This is utterly dumb confused crap, especially after I had already explained to you recently the profits from 51% attacking.

Your explanation was, frankly nonsense. I gave up trying to argue with you.

Sorry you just don't comprehend. Will I receive your apology when you later realize you were wrong, as you did on Iota and again on your other failed idea for DAG-like design.

How many times I have taught you, yet you still don't respect me. Sigh.
1863  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: POLL - Which Crypto will be the first FREE TRANSFER /microtransaction coin on: March 08, 2016, 01:44:51 PM
1. IOTA say that the free transaction DAG is not only possible, but launching "soon". Could IOTA really be "non-vaporware"?

Iota doesn't have free transactions. The payer has to include proof-of-work. Proof-of-work costs some electricity and/or CPU resources. Also the centralized servers oftenmay need to resubmit the payer's transaction with new PoW, as admitted by Come-from-Beyond in our discussions in the Decentralization thread. They will not do this PoW for free forever. Iota can I guess afford to subsidize these servers for the meantime to give the illusion you desire.

But sorry the correct answer is there will be never be transactions without a fee. The fee will always be charged indirectly if not directly, e.g. Facebook is free to use, but you get bombarded by ads to pay for it.
1864  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Microcash 2016 - The Return of Realsolid? on: March 08, 2016, 01:27:52 PM
Haha, got me.
1865  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do ETH investors understand Ethereum? on: March 08, 2016, 01:25:35 PM
[excellent post]

So true.

The best you can do is observe when experts debate, e.g. smooth and I, or gmaxwell and I. Then form a judgement based on that interaction.

No expert has debated me on Ethereum's technology. Everyone ran away and hid, or implicitly agreed. So that should be an indication to you, that I am very likely correct on my technological analysis of Ethereum.

Note I would not claim to be an expert on some aspects, such as the math of elliptic curve cryptography. Neither is smooth.
1866  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't you investing in a 2.0 platform? on: March 08, 2016, 01:19:10 PM
Factom is interesting and I can see it addressing some niche uses cases

Factom's security is so flawed that it is useless junk:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1388635.msg14112369#msg14112369
1867  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do ETH investors understand Ethereum? on: March 08, 2016, 01:12:30 PM
its clear ether has the highest chances at reaching mainstream success,even though it has its problems.

I feel some pity for you guys who so deluded that you think that. Go read my posts in the Ethereum Paradox thread. But of course, you just want soundbites, not the hard work of analysis, and thus you choose to be in delusion.

Ethereum has 0% chance of ever attaining 10,000 users as a decentralized block chain. It might end up as some centralized crap and perhaps some partnership will hoist some crapware onto it similar to the "success" of Windows Phone with its 0.1% global market share of the smartphone market.
1868  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ethereum Pump & Dump Scam on: March 08, 2016, 01:10:45 PM
And I even bought some more at 0.02900001, So I don't really care for the short term gains.

Im atleast going to hold Ethereum 1-2 years, minimum!

If you hold that 1 year, you will be one of the fools who loses all the money he invested in ETH. ETH is technologically flawed and won't be fixable, because the design team is pursuing utter nonsense.
1869  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do ETH investors understand Ethereum? on: March 08, 2016, 12:38:09 PM
Augur are released later this year then everyone will see the potential

Augur can't be secure without centralization. Just all nonsense you pumpers write. Never even one technology rebuttal.
1870  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Do ETH investors understand Ethereum? on: March 08, 2016, 12:37:11 PM
most problems will be sorted out

Incorrect.
1871  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't you investing in a 2.0 platform? on: March 08, 2016, 12:32:10 PM
Can't wait for the ANN thread of your coin. I guess you will have a lot of friendly people there  Cheesy

I remember an old quote of AnonyMints: "enable the free market to experiment and innovate. Don't try to proclaim you know the perfect design for all" . I think his matter-of-fact frankness and thirst for engineering what he feels is a fix to as yet unsolvable problems gets mistaken for him arrogantly forgetting the latter portion of that quote whenever he criticizes existing approaches.Of course it is easier to identifiy flaws than it is to propose a solution avoiding them, or indeed presenting another set of flaws. Harder so to successfully implement said solution so he has to get some props for open his project up for scrutiny.

Correct I am not against free market experimentation. But I think it is my duty to analyze the technologies (because no one else is ... well at least not publicly and exhaustively and because I need to know intimately all the flaws of others and how I plan to avoid those flaws). And that includes enumerating the flaws in any work I do.

I think what people get frustrated with is that they want to believe there is progress, and they don't want to hear that something is just hype to steal money from us. Especially the pumpers who bought the coin low don't want to hear any facts about technology.
1872  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 08, 2016, 12:22:21 PM
Personally, I think they will be necessary throughout it's life, though, simply because there is no mining competition, therefore no bound on the network hashrate or anything to value the PoW such that transaction acceptability can be easily bounded.

That is not the generative essence issue that causes Iota to centralize. Rather it is that the choice of the mathematical algorithm to use when payers sign and payees accept, is a Prisoner's dilemma— i.e. they can't be sure that every other payer and payee is using the same algorithm and the algorithm is only provably convergent on consensus when most (a super majority?) participants choose the same algorithm.

There simply isn't enough mathematical analysis of Iota yet to fully characterize the game theory. It needs centralization to prevent edge cases.
1873  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 08, 2016, 12:17:03 PM
Profitable PoW just seems harder to attack by irrational actors than unprofitable PoW on an unpartitioned system.

Rational actors in unprofitable PoW have no incentive not to attack the system. At least if it's profitable there is the mining incentive.

This is utterly dumb confused crap, especially after I had already explained to you recently the profits from 51% attacking.

You conflate unrelated economic issues and you have so confused yourself.

I told you I am not going to repeat myself again. I have no incentive to give away my design. I already described the design to a large extent and I just smile as you butcher your understanding of it.
1874  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 08, 2016, 12:15:49 PM
TL;DR: Bitcoin, like house dealers and cool bands, was great when it was obscure. Success just doesn't become it Sad

I largely agree here. I don't know that any of these systems can truly scale, nor that any of them will ever be useful for large amounts of value.

The solution may be much the same as cool bands, or anything else (including anything "cool" that only works when it is small). Churn.

Indeed the powers-that-be are going to try find a way to control anything that is popular. Period. That is why you see everyone here has been reduced to doing P&D to steal from each other, while the whales (powers-that-be) walk away our money.

We are fucked. Society is fucked.

I'd rather try to do something about that and maybe fail, then to do nothing and certainly fail.

And I can earn some money on that attempt as well, and so can others.
1875  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 08, 2016, 12:07:12 PM
If he was to try and convert it entirely to your system, it seemed to me like it would easily suffer from permanent preemption or constant service outages from government powers attacks.  I'm not really sure how you get past that issue.  Profitable PoW just seems harder to attack by irrational actors than unprofitable PoW on an unpartitioned system.

If the government wants to take down a coin, they can always do it even for Bitcoin. But that is a nuclear option, because there is no direct profit to 51% attacking a coin.

Whether the mining is profit or not, is irrelevant to the profitability of attacking a coin. The profitability of mining enables economies-of-scale to centralize the coin, which helps enable attacks. What you are erroneously claiming is that by overpaying for mining, then it is more secure than by paying consumerately to the level of transactions for unprofitable mining. But the latter may be 1000X more popular, thus have a higher hashrate (and use much less electricity per transaction as well as being decentralized).

Society needs for digital currency to work (which it can't if it is centralized because centralized shit always fails), so that society doesn't collapse into a Dark Age. I have to believe society will limit government, else we can all kiss our current quality of life goodbye.

Really you guys are clueless about my design and why it will work. And I like it that way, so you can't copy it.

Apparently Satoshi agreed:

Quote
>[Lengthy exposition of vulnerability of a systm to use-of-force
>monopolies ellided.]
>
>You will not find a solution to political problems in cryptography.

Yes, but we can win a major battle in the arms race and gain a new territory of
freedom for several years.

Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled
networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be
holding their own.

Satoshi
1876  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: The Ethereum Paradox on: March 08, 2016, 12:00:12 PM
Click & scroll down for the Casper progress...   don't miss the links to the hangout video!   Smiley

http://blog.synereo.com/2016/03/06/Synereo-Update/

At 1:11:45, Greg Meredith claims that the Nash equilibrium can be ignored because all game theories can be considered within the Pi calculus model.

Naive viewers might assume this implies the loss of Nash equilibrium (which we explained upthread) is irrelevant. Rather what he is saying is that any effects from the loss of Nash equilibrium will be observed in the Pi calculus model. He has not shown a proof that no negative effects exist within the Pi calculus model.

Worse yet, what he doesn't appear to realize is that his Pi calculus model is incomplete. It doesn't model the economic externalities that can't possibly be captured by a model of recursive (self-referential) validation, such as shorting the coin and the value of double-spends of sharded gas to the attacker. The Pi calculus is a process model, thus it doesn't capture these economic externalities.

In short, more technobabble bullshit.
1877  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't you investing in a 2.0 platform? on: March 08, 2016, 11:29:52 AM
Sorry I haven't analyzed Counterparty. I am at the limit of altcoins that I can research. I need focus more on my own work. After studying dozens of altcoins from Stellar to Factom to Iota to Dash, etc and finding flaws in all of them, I am confident there is nothing out there that is doing block chain consensus in a way that can scale decentralized, not even Monero.

Obviously Counterparty is built on Bitcoin's block chain so inherits the scalability issues plaguing Bitcoin.

Can't wait for the ANN thread of your coin. I guess you will have a lot of friendly people there  Cheesy

There won't be an ANN thread.
1878  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Microcash - The Return of Realsolid? on: March 08, 2016, 11:29:01 AM
Finally does anyone think this newest venture by Realsolid is legit?

Looks legit.


CFB, why am I not shocked at that answer  Wink

Me too. No white paper.
1879  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Ethereum heading to centralization? on: March 08, 2016, 11:21:35 AM
My motive is to have rational technological analysis. People don't like the truth. The fact that most all (but not all) of the altcoins are flawed is just fact.

Bullshit! (With capital "B") That's what people don't like!

Not one single technological rebuttal to my recent technological points about Ethereum by anyone on these forums. Zilch. Zero.

If you call that bullshit, then you have screws loose in your head. You can't seem to discern technological discussion from opinion. That is because you don't understand the technology. Get off my lawn.

What you don't like is truth.

You are now on Ignore technologically illiterate pumper. You are wasting my time with nonsense replies.
1880  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why aren't you investing in a 2.0 platform? on: March 08, 2016, 11:15:53 AM
Sorry I haven't analyzed Counterparty. I am at the limit of altcoins that I can research. I need focus more on my own work. After studying dozens of altcoins from Stellar to Factom to Iota to Dash, etc and finding flaws in all of them, I am confident there is nothing out there that is doing block chain consensus in a way that can scale (to millions of users) decentralized, not even Monero.

Obviously Counterparty is built on Bitcoin's block chain so inherits the scalability issues plaguing Bitcoin.
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