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1861  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Scammer- Jonathan Ryan Owens on: May 27, 2013, 11:49:44 AM
Based on the totality of the evidence, I am now firmly convinced that JRO was a victim and did not intentionally scam anybody. He may have made some bad decisions that seems obviously wrong in retrospect.

Yeah, but then again you're a well known shill/idiot, whose word isn't worth two birdshits. Obviously JRO is as much a victim as Patrick Harnett, and obviously you're as much a disinterested party as Meni Rosenfeld was.

The gall of you people. Get lost already.
1862  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: [TO THEYMOS AND MODS] BFL scammer tag? on: May 27, 2013, 11:42:32 AM
A class action lawsuit worth millions of dollars and hundreds of Plaintiff's

What's with this Internet obsession with "class action lawsuits"? Other than the obvious "expensive litigation you don't need to pay for upfront and somebody else is managing".

I like this forum as well, which is why I don't want to see it SUED OUT OF EXISTENCE. If they continue to accept money from them knowingly after they have clearly been shown to be operating fraudulently, they can indeed be held complicit. The whole "oh we didn't know" honey moon is over. Take old yeller out back and shoot him before he bites you and gives you rabies.

Must lurk moar.
1863  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Bitcoin Scammers on: May 27, 2013, 11:36:08 AM
Alright as you can see I'm a Jr member but I have senior like wisdom.

Totally dude.
1864  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple or Bitcoin on: May 25, 2013, 07:05:11 PM
Isn't Joel Katz the retard of cherry truck fame? Oh yes he is. Heh.
1865  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Ripple is excellent, but short-sighted. on: May 25, 2013, 07:01:39 PM
XRP is designed to be an intermediary facilitating the flow in and out of other currencies. Calling it a currency or a stamp is over-simplifying.

Q: How is Ripple a Ponzi if: A - XRP are given away, and B - There's a finite supply?
A: It has absolutely nothing in common with a Ponzi.

You're new here are you?

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Carlo Pietro Giovanni Guglielmo Tebaldo Ponzi, (March 3, 1882 – January 18, 1949), commonly known as Charles Ponzi, was an Italian businessman and con artist in the U.S. and Canada. His aliases include Charles Ponci, Carlo and Charles P. Bianchi.[1] Born in Italy, he became known in the early 1920s as a swindler in North America for his money making scheme. Charles Ponzi promised clients a 50% profit within 45 days, or 100% profit within 90 days, by buying discounted postal reply coupons in other countries and redeeming them at face value in the United States as a form of arbitrage.

How is it anything else.
1866  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Ripple is excellent, but short-sighted. on: May 25, 2013, 12:37:10 PM
the point is instead of using ripple as its intended use, a peer to peer exchange for bitcoins to fiat between people and exchanges like bitstamp...much like sending a cheque through a postal service, everyone is using it just to buy and sell the stamps between each other(xrp). as if the stamp/xrp is more important then the service ripple/postal service offer.

The funny part here is, of course,

1867  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Intersango locked my account on: May 25, 2013, 12:11:09 PM
After I made this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=156363.msg2176217#msg2176217

My account at Intersango was locked.  I'm beyond livid at this point and it isn't because I need the money.  It is because I don't take crap very well at all.

And Patrick is giving me nothing but crap.

My support ticket was made on:

March 24, 2013, 8:58 p.m.

I got a reply today:

"Please send a letter indicating the exact amount you believe you're owed and your address to:

Intersango LLC
United States Corporation Agents, Inc.
1521 Concord Pike #301
Wilmington, DE 19803

This is for our records."

Seriously Patrick?

It is pretty obvious what I am owed:



And I don't "believe" I am owed it.  I am owed it for a FACT!!!

Don't use a PGP system because websites "are better", enjoy your fact. Herpderp. This is how that better works.
1868  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: May 25, 2013, 12:10:31 PM
ROFL @ MPOE-PR, like always. Mad again because someone didn't choose your exchange?

I really don't give a shit. It's however out of the question vaporware might have "chosen" MPEx. That's exactly not how it works, what's next, you've chosen Jessica Biel and she's mad again so she married whoever else?

I am in no way saying you are wrong or right about this company, but everything you type seems to be FUD against competition that doesn't use your exchange, followed by ad hominem attacks when people disagree. (You really call people retards quite often.)

This will forever more be known as the Ripple fallacy: abstracting everyone into XRPeople indiscriminately then pretending somebody who's bitchslapped about ten thousand retards to be "attacking XRPeople who disagree". No honey, I don't do anything to people. I attack retards who "disagree". And I attack them for being retarded because their purported "disagreement" is too broken to discuss. If that's not the case I just discuss the disagreement (I sometimes discuss it even if it is utterly broken - if it is at least somewhat novel/funny, like, for instance, now).

And you REALLY like to talk shit and pick on the people who don't seem to know much, while ignoring the educated or semi-educated replies you get.

This hasn't quite happened yet, no.

All while your baby Satoshi Dice continues to tank.

Let me put it this way: the representation of reality in terms of cartoons, which is to say anthropomorphized animals, makes retards think everything in the simplest of terms and stop there. Here's a newsflash: reality is a little more complex than "cat chases mouse" and "Policeman fined me for speeding so he's threatened by niggers".

Don't be a retard, dare to think. What if the reason I do what I do is that I actually know what the fuck I'm talking about and there's perfectly good reasons for it? What would they be? How well do they work with what I actually say? Congratulations, you're right on the path towards intellectual normalcy (normal but not common these days).
1869  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Ripple is excellent, but short-sighted. on: May 25, 2013, 11:54:58 AM
Ripple - Ripplescamcoin = Better Ripple

Just release the source code already, I don't want to use XRP.

Pretty much.

Even if it's debatable if the Better Ripple end is above or below epsilon, it's still undebatable that Ripple - Ripplescamcoin = Better Ripple.

Noticing the elaborate sidestepping employed by people obviously attached to the Ripplescamcoin part and paid for it (such as) I'd guess there's absolutely no chance of this happening: never will Ripplescamcoin give up (until the venture capital runs out at least); nobody will reimplement Ripple w/o the scam because Better Ripple actually is below epsilon and thus not worth it.

Life in a free world: scamming and lying no longer reserved exclusively for the government; open to the public instead. Learn to love it I guess.

The Opencoin guys MUST be realizing that their XRP do have value (something like 2 cent per XRP at the moment) and that they are traded and used like a currency right now.

It's not at all that they don't realize. They do realize, as they took the deliberate step to waste some Bitcoin (bought for PayPal's venture dollars) in order to artificially increase the XRP exchange rate to a point where they can claim "looky, Ripple mkt cap > Bitcoin mkt cap". They figured this would somehow bring in more love, not more scrutiny.

To get a sample of that shitfest:

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Taking into consideration the total number of Ripples (XRP), that is, 100 billion, and the current exchange rate of approximately 70 XRP/USD, the XRP market cap is $1.43 billion USD. Bitcoin's market cap is currently $1.30 billion USD.

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Sources tell me that, in the same vein as what has been happening with Bitcoin, Chinese investors have shown great interest in Ripple, and are responsible for a non-trivial fraction of the recent rise in XRP valuation.

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Remember that Ripple's key investors have connections to PayPal and Dwolla, and will want to bring them on as Ripple Gateways. Such a move would boost Ripple's valuation well into the stratosphere, leaving Bitcoin behind as a beta-version afterthought.

(from obscure blogs nobody cares about nominally)

So then: whatever business strategists Ripple hired gave them the uniquely bad advice of trying to push up the price, oblivious to the fact that such an attempt will indisputably cement XRP's position among the known pump scams like Novacoin, rather than among the humble Bitcoin just-in-case substitutes like LTC. Bad move.

(An aside for Venture Idiots: submit already! Pay the fees of the actually competent. This thing where you're hiring the retarded but accessible is only going to continue the trend where you're being publicly humiliated. You're not "saving money", and you sure as hell can't even begin to "shape the field".)
1870  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Ripple or Bitcoin on: May 25, 2013, 09:56:38 AM
I'm not sure what you mean. I think you're viewing Ripple and Bitcoin through an unreasonably competitive lens. Ripple and Bitcoin are not going to be like Coke and Pepsi any time soon,
If Coke is USD, and Pepsi is EUR, then Bitcoin is New Coke and Ripple is a system of tubes that sprays any liquid you want to deliver into your friends' mouths. XRP would be the pressurized air that runs this system of tubes; you can trade bottles of this pressurized air but you can't drink it, only use it to send liquids throught the tubes. And you'd only let those you trust pour things into your mouth over the internet, so if you want give some raw milk to a friend of a friend in Japan, you pour the raw milk into the mouth of a mutual friend that you both trust, and he'll forward the raw milk to the guy in Japan. Excelsior!

You sir are too cool for this place and thus hereby cordially invited to #bitcoin-assets.

Ripple is an innovative banking system made by people who don't understand the most basic facts about banking or finance. As such, even if it worked technically (which it probably won't, seeing how the geniuses behind MtGox came up with the world's most victim of its own success trade engine already) it is still guaranteed to drown us in lol.

FTFY.
1871  Economy / Services / Re: [WTS] GPG and OTC Tutoring - One-on-one - 1 Hour FREE! [3 remaining] on: May 24, 2013, 07:51:36 PM
Does .1 BTC increments mean there are now 20 remaining?

Exactly.
1872  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Announcement: Tradehill is back on: May 24, 2013, 07:51:07 PM
Oh look, someone involved with another competing exchange bad-mouthing another.

How unexpected.

Are you thick? I mean seriously, if you take one of those intelligence tests, do you come out slightly under normal?
1873  Economy / Securities / Re: Securities Newbie. HELP ME INVEST! on: May 24, 2013, 07:50:29 PM
So where are the financial statements? Those are not it. There is no balance sheet or income statement that I can see. And that is not a company either.

And BTC is not a currency. Moving right on to more Captain Obvious contributions of great value and import. Head still inserted firmly up ass.
1874  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MtGox: Unauthorized withdrawal - someone just stole some of my Bitcoins! on: May 24, 2013, 07:49:51 PM
Mircea, my little diva, why so grumpy today? Have your male-period?

You still with the MPOE-PR = MP nonsense? That's so 2012, srsly.
1875  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bets of Bitcoin - Bitcoin betting on real world events on: May 24, 2013, 07:48:41 PM
Had the admin made the call to say "It didn't ship" everyone who voted against it would have been up in arms.

I think you might be a little confused. Who's up in arms is immaterial, who's in the right is the only thing that matters. Reality isn't the result of voting, scams are the result of voting.
1876  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: May 24, 2013, 07:47:36 PM
tytus, no prior history? You lived under a rock since the early days of Bitcoin mining?

Those "early days of Bitcoin mining" wouldn't be April 19, 2012, I hope.

Let me tell you some names from the "early days of bitcoin mining". Hashking. Amazingrando. Gigavps. Inaba. Tom van Ryp them. Buzzdave. Meni Rosenfeld. Diablo-D3. I could go on. And on. And on.

It failed, it wasn't a scam. I can attest to it personally: I was a bASIC customer and was refunded to the last cent.

Not much to go by. I recall the threads back in the day, the economics of why exactly "refunds to the last cent" weren't possible are quite plain, such claims as yours are pretty much worthless. Please document the "hundreds" etc you speak of.

Yeah like Bitfury would let someone build a scammer company on his own reputation without reacting in any way. Makes sense

Please review the history of the "early days". Preferably going back before April 2012, but even lately: MtGox and Coinlab, for instance. Also please review some very basic, beginner logic, because whatever you've got going isn't working worth squat.

MPOE-PR: stop being envious of other people actually building something and go back on your exchange nobody wants to use anymore. Attacking stocks that didn't select your exchange with so pathetic FUD only damages your own reputation (assuming it's still somehow recoverable).

Retard, review the history of "the early days of Bitcoin whatever". Specifically the parts which show what happens to people who try and claim I spread FUD.

I doubt Bitfury would post lengthy descriptions of his progress in the 100TH threads if he had no connections with them.

Gigavps made clear personal commitments which he then replaced, in clear violation of his own written word, with some llc. Patrick Harnett made clear statements of personal responsibility which he then igonred.

Friedcat studiously avoids making any sort of contract, and this should be somehow interpreted as better than a contract. Bitfury makes "updates" in this forum, and this you take as what exactly? In the event this is exposed as a scam your recourse will be what, ask for Bitfury to get a scammer tag for "obviously" making posts in a scam thread and then accuse Theymos & the forum & the moderators & the world of being at fault for your own broken thought process?

This ain't how it goes. Absent an actually signed declaration from Bitfury at a very minimum there's absolutely nothing here. Nothing other than, of course, the usual pump and dump scamfest that the outer ring of Bitcoin Hell is so properly famous for.
1877  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Bets of Bitcoin - Bitcoin betting on real world events on: May 24, 2013, 10:54:23 AM
Just started using this site, it looks pretty cool! Has anyone here had succesful bets placed, completed, and been paid?

Just started using this site, it looks pretty cool! Has anyone here had succesful bets placed, completed, and been paid?

A lot of people have.  It's been around a while.

Just started using this site, it looks pretty cool! Has anyone here had succesful bets placed, completed, and been paid?

A lot of people have.  It's been around a while.
yes, absolutely.

Just started using this site, it looks pretty cool! Has anyone here had succesful bets placed, completed, and been paid?

dozens

No, actually, it's a well known scamsite.

See here.
1878  Economy / Securities / Re: [PicoStocks] 100TH/s bitcoin mine [100th] on: May 24, 2013, 10:53:44 AM
ASICMiner has just announced they've decided to go with 65/55 nm for their next gen chip, which means they haven't really come far in the process. 100TH seems to have that generation now or at least very shortly.

What difference would generation make for a:

1. Fixed TH offering. For all you care it could be done on CPUs, as long as it matches 100TH it's the same.
2. Dubious offering. This guy with no prior history came out of the blue one day claiming about 1 million dollars' worth of investment in Basic backing his stuff. Basic turned out a scam. Somehow magically the guy didn't make a loss on the deal, but just invested his (obviously imaginary - on the grounds that no explanation was offered at the time) million in another dubious venture. Even if it were the case Bitfury actually delivers, there is absolutely no proof this thing is going to receive anything from there.

It's not a matter of "risky". It's a matter of nonsense.
1879  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: MtGox: Unauthorized withdrawal - someone just stole some of my Bitcoins! on: May 24, 2013, 10:48:13 AM
You can log in your account from a VPS or whatever, does not mean anything.

I could. But what's the probability that I log in from home and at the same time use my VPN connection and log me in again?

MtGox should at least check those suspicious cases - and ask for (email) confirmation.

Stop with the entitlement bullshit. The service op should nothing for your own comfort. You should, if you care and are willing to pay for it. If not stfu.

That aside: the website model does not work. It's okay for blogs, it's okay for stupid shit nobody cares about (twitter, facebook, whatever). It is not okay for BTC.
1880  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Is Tradehill's Jered Kenna like a Lannister? on: May 24, 2013, 10:47:15 AM
Update: Jered just now sent me 54 BTC to cover the 51 and change plus the 200+ in dollars converted into btc at today's rate ($126 on mtgox) (which is fine by me), rounding up for my trouble.

I still would like to see a summary of all transactions, and think Tradehill owes us that. Who knows? Maybe I used the $271 to buy another chunk when the value was low and he owes me more. Or maybe I made a withdrawal and lost the record of doing so and he owes me less!

Regardless, I do believe Jered wants to make everyone whole and just has lots of stuff on his hands. I'll be changing my signature to reflect this update.

This is exactly why he's a scammer: steal from everyone, pay whoever makes enough noise.

Anyone working with him today will have serious trouble staying in Bitcoin business in the coming years (leaving aside the problem of his own conscience, which would have to be absent anyway).
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