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1881  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Pregled Bitcointalk Signature-Ad kampanja on: February 07, 2023, 07:03:14 AM
Vidjet ćemo, pustili smo pipke Grin
SirJohn baš ne vjeruje u isplativost istih, što je u jednu ruku i logično s obzirom na cijenu kvalitetne kampanje. Na nama je da ga uvjerimo u suprotno.

U svakom slučaju imaju dosta fora planova za forum, nešto od toga će se i materijalizirati.

Mislim da ste vas dvojica stvarno dobro došli ovom forumu da malo uzburkate vode oko raznih kampanja, poolova i ostalih stvari gdje se može zaraditi crypto. Prvo ste krenuli s onom signature kampanjom gdje ste podigli ljestvicu na viši nivo, a sad uvodite novosti u gambling dio s ovim formatom natjecanja. Mislim da ćete imati prilično posla oko vođenja tog natjecanja ali vjerujem da ste svjesni toga jer ste slično natjecanje vodili za vrijeme svjetskog prvenstva. Siguran sam da nije lako pronaći i odabrati dobra pitanja da ne budu preteška, a opet da ne budu prelagana pa svi daju isti, logičan odgovor.
1882  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Croatian League - Hrvatska nogometna liga 2022./2023. on: February 06, 2023, 11:44:28 AM
And another weekend has passed with another disappointing result for Hajduk, but also for Dinamo. Hajduk lost another game at home against Rijeka. A year ago it wouldn't be so surprising for Rijeka to beat Hajduk. But this season when Rijeka is playing really bad, fans are furious. Especially when Hajduk was awarded in the last seconds of the game and Livaja managed to miss it.

As for Dinamo, I'm not sure if the lack of form lately is because players are unhappy in the club, but it is evident that something needs to change. After ending a game versus Gorica in a draw, barely beating Lokomotiva and now another draw against Slaven Belupo, I think their management has to do something about it.
1883  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 5000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: February 06, 2023, 10:54:55 AM
Thanks for the explanations guys, no worries, the World Cup format was amazing, and I think that was the best thing you could do, everyone loved it and it was highly competitive. CasperBGD, Harkorede, everyone else, we can get a great rematch!

Well this is one hell of a competition. I participated in the FIFA World Cup competition and I really liked it so it's understandable that I'll join this time too. I'm somewhat disappointed with the rather small number of applications. I guess that people here are not used to seeing such complicated competitions, but trust me when I say that it's not that complicated as it looks. At least if the format will be the same as in the FIFA World Cup competition.

It's only been a day and a half, we're fairly optimistic we'll get enough members Smiley
We still have some threads where we'll announce it, SB team will do the same in their thread and in their Clubhouse - there will be 2 leagues for sure at least.

We really want to start with 3 though, and considering that it is mostly free to play for decent rewards, it will fill up eventually.

It only just got announced so I think it's just about getting everyone informed. I would think after pool owners to message all participants we will get higher signups, as you could see even in La Liga pool some people weren't aware. Hard to keep track but I check all the pools every now and then and of course jeremypwr posts Wink

I never participated in pools or other competitions here on the forum so I don't know how fast they fill up with applications. I guess I got used seeing hundreds applications for popular signature campaigns so I expected similar here. I'm sure that most people that participated in the World Cup competition will join here. I don't remember seeing any bad comment about that competition.
1884  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's Bitcointalk Sports Fanatics League (BSFL) – 5000+$ rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: February 06, 2023, 08:39:22 AM
Well this is one hell of a competition. I participated in the FIFA World Cup competition and I really liked it so it's understandable that I'll join this time too. I'm somewhat disappointed with the rather small number of applications. I guess that people here are not used to seeing such complicated competitions, but trust me when I say that it's not that complicated as it looks. At least if the format will be the same as in the FIFA World Cup competition.
1885  Economy / Games and rounds / Re: ⭐⚽⭐ Sportsbet's BSFL Sign up thread - 5000$+ in rewards ⭐⚽⭐ on: February 06, 2023, 08:32:54 AM
Bitcointalk username: slackovic
BTC wallet: bc1qyjlmmgpykd4nynxuw457gjsxf50tg5azry60pn
Willing to pay 2.5 mBTC participation fee: Yes
1886  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Rješenje za FIFO evidenciju on: February 06, 2023, 07:06:10 AM
Malo jest komično. Doslovce sam tek nedavno skužio, kad pogledaš njihov primjer FIFO evidencije u odgovoru na pitanje 9 onom jedinom mišljenju gdje uopće daju primjer (https://www.porezna-uprava.hr/HR_publikacije/Lists/mislenje33/Display.aspx?id=19590), vidjet ćeš da prvo prodaju 10 BTC kupljenih u 2017. godini, a tek onda prodaju 10 BTC kupljenih u 2016. godini. To je LIFO, a ne FIFO.

Ja im se doduše nemam što previše smijati, jer sam isto zeznuo redoslijed u mom pitanju Poreznoj vezano uz FIFO gdje sam uzeo jedan realan primjer. (Inače, na to pitanje odgovor čekam već petu godinu).

Njihov primjer je samo 4 transakcije, a moj je bio 10 transakcija. Oba primjera samo potvrđuju koliko je FIFO nepraktičan na crypto, i koliko se lako pogubiti. Zato sam i išao programirati, jer je to posao za računalo, a ne za raditi ručno.

Problem je što računalo da bi dalo točne rezultate traži točne inpute. A svi znamo kako popis transakcija može izgledati u cryptu. Sve samo ne uredno i točno.
1887  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Rješenje za FIFO evidenciju on: February 04, 2023, 08:24:18 AM
Ovo je jako dobro pitanje - to se oporezuje isto kao i na Forexu, odnosno, ako ti je trade kraći od 2 godine, i ostvario si dobit, na tu kapitalnu dobit plaćaš 10% poreza. Vrlo jasno i jednostavno. Tvoj kolateral ne sudjeluje u posudbi i trade-u osim kao garancija. Iznos kamata koji si platio za margin loan možeš uračunati u trošak transakcije i za njega umanjiti dobit. Ako si ostvario gubitak, poreznu osnovicu u godišnjem JOPPD-u možeš umanjiti za taj gubitak.

Dakle, ako posudiš 1650 USD na marginu, kupiš 1 ETH, prodaš ga idući dan za 1700 USD i zatvoriš marginu, imaš 50 USD profita, i na tih 50 USD plaćaš porez.

E sad... što ako otprije imaš 0.5 ETH koji si kupio 2017.? Strogo primjenjen FIFO princip nalaže da si prvo prodao onih 0.5 ETH iz 2017., i na to ne plaćaš porez, i onda si prodao još novih 0.5 ETH za koje ti je nabavna cijena 1650/2=825 USD, i računaš profit (1700/2)-825=25 USD profita na koji plaćaš porez. Sa strane ti je ostalo još 0.5 neprodanih ETH koji imaju datum nabave s početkom trade-a.

U Poreznoj sumnjam da su ikada razmišljali o margini, i osobno ih se ne bih usudio ni pitati o tome jer će samo zakomplicirati praksu. Umjesto toga, ja bih za margin tradeove napravio zasebnu tablicu, napisao tok 1650 USD->1 ETH->1700 USD i na nju ne bih primjenio "normalan" FIFO, nego bih spario svaki stvarni ulaz sa stvarnim izlazom, jasno napisao profit, i za gornji primjer platio više poreza nego u "kompliciranom" slučaju tj. računao da mi je porezna osnovica 50 USD.

Sumnjam da bi Porezna oko toga previše prigovarala jer na taj način platim nešto više poreza nego po "kompliciranoj" metodi, iako striktno gledajući komplicirana metoda proizlazi iz onoga što je napisano u zakonu, i to nije problem samo crypta, nego i svih koji koriste marginu kod brokera, osobito na Forexu.

Ako hoćeš vidjeti kako izgleda točno izračunata "komplicirana" metoda, propustiš transakcije kroz ovaj moj Fifoator. Za ovu drugu alternativu, samo malo uredi transakcije da budu sparene i zbroji profit u Excelu.

Ovo gore je naravno samo moje mišljenje. Za službeno mišljenje bi trebalo pitati Poreznu. Koliko znam dosad još nitko nije Poreznu pitao za takve kompliciranije slučajeve, niti su davali ikakve smjernice po tom pitanju. Najkompliciraniji primjer koji su ikad dali je s dvije ulazne i dvije izlazne transakcije u onom službenom mišljenju o kriptovalutama, i u tom primjeru su fulali, tj. pobrkali su redoslijed i napravili su LIFO umjesto FIFO. Dakle, ni Porezna isto ne zna napraviti FIFO. Smiley


Jao pa zaboli me glava samo dok ovo čitam. Ne znam samo što bi bilo kad bi stvarno krenuo pratiti svaki margin trade. Najgore je što ljudima poput mene ovakve "kombinacije" izgledaju toliko komplicirano da bi radije živio u ilegali nego pokušao opravdati zaradu FIFO evidencijom. Jer nije sad stvar pisanja svakog trejda nego što to još mora biti potkrijepljeno nekim dokazima s kripto mjenjačnice, zar ne? Jer inače bi svatko mogao izmisliti FIFO analizu. Što ako je kripto mjenjačnica na kojoj radim margin trade decentralizirana i nema mogućnost ispisa svih transakcija koje su napravljene? Znam da se može napraviti ispis transakcija s walleta ali tamo nigdje ne pišu detalji transakcije. Samo piše da je poslana određena količina USDC-a i u drugoj transakciji da je određeni iznos USDC-a vraćen.
1888  Local / Altcoins (Hrvatski) / Re: Altcoin novosti on: February 03, 2023, 10:44:16 AM
Ma da moglo se naravno ali nisi znao kada ga možeš otključati ako ćemo tu terminologija koristiti  Grin

Meni nije ni slična situacija, puno je bolje kada znaš da možes do svog novca u nekom normalnom time frameu. Koliko je bilo kašnjenja na ETH mreži rizik je bio popriličan da se ljudi moraju oprostiti od novaca ma stvarno dugo vrijeme.

Naravno. Čak i da sam imao 32 ETH, sigurno ih ne bi zaključao jer baš to - ne znaš kad će ti lova zatrebati. Drugo je kad je tih 32 ETH samo manji dio portfelja pa se možeš igrati. Je li netko od naših ovdje zaključao 32 ETH ili sudjelovao u nekom staking poolu? Ako se ne varam, postojao je neki wrapped ETH koji se dobio za zaključavanje ETH-a u nekom poolu. Mislim da je bio sETH ili tako nešto...
1889  Local / Altcoins (Hrvatski) / Re: Altcoin novosti on: February 03, 2023, 09:23:22 AM
opet, procenat ETH na ugovoru je manji od 14%, a PoS blokcejn prosek je iznad 50%, mislis da ulagaci u ADA/DOT/SOL vise veruju projektima od ulagaca u ETH? meni izgleda prilicno normalno da taj procenat skoci sa 14 na npr. 30 brzo posto se povlacenje omoguci, i svi budu bili svesni da sad mogu povuci ETH koji su ulozili (kao sto je to slucaj sa ADA/DOT/SOL)
To mi zvuči vrlo logično, biti će neki manji dio ovih koji već imaju stake koji će povući sredstva ali mislim da će to biti stvarno mali dio. Ko god je imao dovoljna ETHa da stavi u stake ne znajući kada će ga moći izvaditi sigurno ima još love strane. Mislim da si u pravu i da će biti puno više novih ljudi voljnih zaključati ETH nego onih koji će se odlučiti na izlaz.

Moguće. Nadam se da će biti tako iako ne bi imao ništa protiv da sruše cijenu ETH da dokupim malo Grin

Trofo, kako to misliš da će biti puno više novih ljudi voljnih zaključati ETH? Zar se to nije moglo do sad? Nisam baš pratio to zaključavanje ETH ali mislim da je i do sad bilo tko mogao zaključati ali nije znao kad će moći otključati taj ETH. Bili su čak i neki poolovi gdje se moglo zaključati ETH ako imaš manje od 32 ETH.
1890  Local / Altcoins (Hrvatski) / Re: Helium on: February 03, 2023, 09:19:39 AM
Jel zavrsio ko na denylistu? Meni je prije nekoliko zavrsio jedan ruter nzm iz kog razloga, to valjda ni oni ne znaju... Vidim dok se makne sa liste dok oni to pregledaju traje dosta... Ima li ko iskustva sa ovim?

Zar postoji još netko tko rudari Helium? Ja sam jedan router prodao prošle ili pretprošle godine još dok su se mogli prodati, a drugi sam raskopao jer imam više koristi od Raspberry Pi 4b koji je unutra nego od samog routera Grin
1891  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Rješenje za FIFO evidenciju on: February 03, 2023, 09:14:55 AM
Nisam siguran je li netko postavio pitanje, ali kako se u FIFO evidenciji prikazuje leverage trading? Jer to je malo složeniji princip trgovanja gdje ne mogu napisati da sam za 1600 dolara kupio 1 ETH uz 10x leverage kad sam zapravo uložio 160 dolara da posudim 10 puta veći iznos ETH-a.
1892  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: February 03, 2023, 08:58:07 AM
I agree with the argument that most of the players will be in their late 20s or 30s. But in the previous editions, most of the European teams had good players in their early 20s. However this time (Qatar 2022) only a few of the European teams had such players. Some of the teams do have players who are 20 or 21 years old, but they are no match for the more experienced players. Players of the calibre of Erling Hĺland or Ronaldo of 2006 are extremely rare nowadays. Let's take the example of Germany. They have a few - Karim Adeyemi, Youssoufa Moukoko and Lukas Nmecha. But these players are not even regulars in the playing XI. Most of the attack is being done by Müller, Gnabry and Gündoğan.

That's why all teams have coaches who decide if experienced players should play or younger players. But when you look at the game against Japan that Germany lost, their worst players were Musiala who is 19 years old and Havertz who is 23 (I still count him as a young player). Maybe they would have won the game if their coach put more experienced players into the game from the start. Who knows. But every coach must think about introducing young players and that's best done by combining few young players with experienced players. If they keep playing with experienced players, the time will come when those players won't be competitive anymore and those younger players won't have experience in playing important games.
1893  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: February 03, 2023, 08:25:53 AM
The two strongest teams in Qatar 2022 were Argentina and Brazil. No one will deny that. All the other teams (including European teams such as France and Spain) would rank much below them. I agree that France managed to reach the finals, but they were lucky to avoid good opponents during the knockout phase. And one more thing. European teams perform well only when the tournaments are staged in Europe. This time the tournament was being held in Qatar, and teams such as Germany and Belgium had a horrible run.

You do know that Brazil was kicked out of the World Cup in quarterfinal game by Croatia? I'm not saying that Croatia has a better team than Brazil, but saying that Brazil was one of the two strongest teams in the World Cup is ridiculous. Your other statement that France managed to get to the finals by avoiding good opponents goes into the same category. They beat England in the quarterfinal and you are saying that they avoided good opponents? England isn't a good opponent?
1894  Local / Altcoins (Hrvatski) / Re: Altcoin novosti on: February 02, 2023, 02:00:18 PM
juce je pokrenuta Zhejiang test mreza, kao korak ka implementaciji Shanghai nadogradnje na Ethereum, koja ce omoguciti povlacenje ETH iz PoS ugovora o ulaganju (testiranje povlacenja ce biti moguce za 6 dana)
za sada sve radi kako treba

uz to, broj ETH tokena u opticaju se spustio na najnizu vrednost od kako je Ethereum presao na PoS, usled pojacane aktivnosti na mrezi tokom Januara

A je li u broj ETH u opticaju uračunat i ETH zaključan u stakingu? Znam da neće sav ETH biti odmah dostupan za povlačenje nego će se dnevno moći izvaditi 46200 ETH. To je svejedno popriličan iznos ali nisam siguran da bi trebalo utjecati na cijenu jer je to nekih 70 milijuna dolara. Ali ono što bi moglo utjecati na cijenu je činjenica da će se stejking nagrade moći povući odmah, a one iznose oko 1 milijun ETH, odnosno oko $1,6 milijardi dolara.
1895  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers on: February 02, 2023, 01:46:52 PM
Portugal has some good younger players such as Joăo Félix, Rafael Leăo and Gonçalo Ramos. But these players are miles behind Ronaldo. And it will take many years before any of them can be even compared with Ronaldo. Even in 2006, when Ronaldo was just 20 years old, he was considered as a superstar. Players such as Félix and Leăo doesn't have that sort of a reputation now, and they are well in to their 20s. But then I have to admit that most of the European teams doesn't have quality younger players in their ranks. The squads are mostly comprised of player in their late 20s or 30s.

It's not strange that most European teams are composed of players in their late 20s and early 30s. That is the period when a player should be in his top form. It's rare that a player in his early 20s becomes an irreplaceable part of the team. Young players need older, more experienced players in the team to look up to.
1896  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: February 02, 2023, 01:20:12 PM
/snip

But I find it funny how host countries are sometimes able to somehow beat favorite teams. Russia played so well that they were eliminated in quarter-finals while almost beat Croatia, that went into finals and Qatar beat Argentina, a team that defeat all the other teams and won Fifa World Cup.
Russian players were definitely on steroids because they were running like horses but idk about Qatar.

Qatar didn't beat Argentina in the World Cup. They played really badly and it was evident that they don't have the quality to play against top teams of the world. They played four games in the group stage and managed to score only one goal against Senegal.

But I see your point. Playing at home often makes players give an extra effort for the fans and then surprises can happen. But sadly that didn't work out for Qatar.
1897  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Croatian League - Hrvatska nogometna liga 2022./2023. on: February 02, 2023, 10:16:25 AM
Even if such players leave Dinamo they will be still the top contender for the title and mainly they will win it.As you say the lack of a plan and also finances impact all the other teams but I want to emphasize another fact here which makes it even more clear,the fact is that Dinamo for example when facing such teams they go and win with a tennis result like 5-1 against Hajduk last season or two seasons ago I don't remember this well but when I saw that result it impressed me a lot in a bad way and I thought to myself,how can Hajduk be a contender when they lose 5-1 to the top team?

Of course that Dinamo will win against any team in the Croatian league in 4 out of 5 games. Now and then it happens that Dinamo lose a game like the one against Osijek in October. Hajduk, Osijek and Rijeka are considered as contenders because of their results in the past. Today they are not considered as real contenders because it's clear to anyone that Dinamo will win the title. It looks ridiculous to me when I see media headlines saying that the game between Dinamo and Hajduk/Osijek/Rijeka is a derby when we all know that it's not.
1898  Local / Hrvatski (Croatian) / Re: Bitcoin bankomati i fizičke kripto mjenjačnice u Hrvatskoj... i šire on: February 02, 2023, 08:41:44 AM
@BitcoinATM Shitcoins.club

Čim vas pohvalim odmah zapne Smiley Mislim da je krepao uređaj koji broji lovu u bankomatu na lokaciji Tower Centar Rijeka. Brojanje je išlo užasno sporo i nakon što mi je isplatio dio love dobio sam poruku da mogu ili zadržati kod ili isplatiti preostali BTC na adresu. Tu ide moja primjedba, ne mogu vjerovati da je jedini način za isplatu BTCa da ručno unesem BTC adresu. Zašto nema neke opcije poput povrata na adresu s koje je poslano ili pak skeniranja QR koda kada već imate hardver za to?

Nadam se da će problem biti brzo rješen jer ne volim imati lovu u limbu.

Uh, pa to je užasan način za isplatu love na wallet. Toliko je mogućnosti da ćeš pogriješiti neki broj ili slovo i poslati BTC na neku nepostojeću adresu. Mislim da stvarno ne bi trebao biti problem postaviti BTC bankomat s kamerom koja bi mogla očitati QR kod. Ako se ne varam, u jednoj mjenjačnici gdje sam mijenjao kripto za fiat ima opcija da se skenira QR kod umjesto da zaposlenici čitam adresu walleta.
1899  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: FIFA World Cup 2026 :Canada/Mexico/United States: Discussion Thread on: February 02, 2023, 08:36:44 AM
Football has become more globalized. Previously we had 8 to 10 teams who were capable of entering the semi-final stage of the world cup. But that has changed. Now almost all the participants are capable of doing so, proven by Morocco during the last edition. European teams are till dominating, but I can notice hints of their upcoming weakness. Younger players are not emerging from club football sector, especially for teams such as Germany and Italy. This time, during Qatar 2022 we had at least a dozen upsets. That proves that the gap between "stronger" teams and "weaker" teams is narrowing.

That said, UEFA qualifications are always complicated. Always there will be a few deserving teams that lose out. Italy attracted a lot of attention when they failed to qualify. But some of the other deserving teams also failed to make the cut, such as Iceland, Republic of Ireland and North Macedonia. FIFA is trying to address this issue by increasing the number of participants from 32 to 48.

I wouldn't say that a team deserved to play in the World Cup if they didn't qualify. The problem is that all the countries you mentioned are from Europe where most "strong" teams come from. I'm sure that those three countries would have qualified if they played the qualifications on some other continent like Asia. Maybe it would be more fair that countries from all over the world compete in the same confederation so that European teams play against teams from other continents. But that would be more expensive and less teams from outside of Europe would qualify for the World Cup. That's why I think this is the best format because even weaker teams gets to play in the World Cup.
1900  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Croatian League - Hrvatska nogometna liga 2022./2023. on: February 02, 2023, 08:24:36 AM
Yes, you are right, Ademi wanted to leave due to his dissatisfaction with the situation in the club, but he is not allowed to change the club.
It is never a good idea to leave a dissatisfied player in the team, and considering how much Ademi has given to the club all these years, he certainly did not deserve the club to treat him like this.
Personally, I think that all three players, Ademi, Livakovic and Petkovic, will leave the club at the end of the season.

If things don't get sorted out in Dinamo, I expect even more players to leave Dinamo. Not just those three players. I'm sure that anyone playing in the club will rather go to some other club that doesn't have problems and fraction wars.

As for Hajduk, Rijeka and Osijek, I think it is not realistic that they will become competitive in European competitions in the near future, and the main reason, apart from finances, is the lack of a long-term vision and plan.
Miskovic sells out the entire first team every year, Hajduk sells out all young and talented footballers for little money, and last season when Osijek had a real chance to fight Dinamo for the title, he sold his best player to Dinamo.
With such weak competition, which is only thinking about how to sell its best players and earn money, Dinamo does not have to worry about its dominance in the Croatian league.

I think that this is the main reason why Croatian club football is getting weaker every year. Every year Dinamo doesn't have to worry about becoming a champion. They just have to be good in the first part of the season to compete in the European competitions because wins in those competitions bring the money to the club. After they get kicked out, they can start selling players because there's no need to pay their high wages to play in the Croatian league.
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