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1881  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: February 28, 2013, 09:15:53 PM
anyone else amazed by last 3 hours of trading...  Tongue

Not anymore, those huge swings barely get my attention these days.
1882  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Where to order ASIICS? on: February 28, 2013, 09:03:41 PM
So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?

They have produced and delivered some FPGA units, people seemed quite happy with them. So yeah they have produced products.

But BFL ASICs, I dont think any in the wild.

Two problems with that thinking, though I thought along the same lines at one time. First, Thomas Van Riper also produced FPGAs and in fact is still selling them(BTCFPGA), yet he failed miserably at producing an ASIC product. Secondly and more  ominously, BFL had a stash of FPGA chips that they turned into FPGA products and when those ran out they stopped selling FPGAs. While this isn't in itself an indictment, the fact that they sanded the markings off the chips and didn't seek a new supply/continue selling is disturbing. To compound concerns they trashed the FPGA market when they ran out of chips to sell by announcing an ASIC product on a timeline they couldn't hope to meet.
1883  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: February 28, 2013, 08:56:31 PM
Coinbase is bought out for the day. Wink
Actually they are down for maintenance.

Worked just fine for me, until I tried to buy the dip. Then I got a msg saying they were bought out for the day.
1884  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: BitBet "BFL Will Deliver" bet resolving soon, how did you bet? on: February 28, 2013, 08:51:58 PM
Irregularities in the die pics they've recently posted have me considering betting against them and I never bet outside of a poker room.
1885  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Avalon will ship 290 units by tomorrow, correct? on: February 28, 2013, 08:48:22 PM
They really need to offload customer service to someone as they're too busy to perform even the most basic levels of support. I have infinitely more confidence in the Avalon team than I do their competition, but the lack of communication is again getting silly.
1886  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: February 28, 2013, 08:31:18 PM
Coinbase is bought out for the day. Wink
1887  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: In the near future! Butterfly Labs on: February 28, 2013, 06:41:59 PM
There's no way to be among the first to receive a BFL product even if they are legit. Their backlog is huge and their first crop of chips is microscopic by comparison. Regardless of what they say, if you were to place an order now you'd be lucky to receive it by this fall.
1888  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will the companies accepting bitcoin continue to pour in? on: February 28, 2013, 05:26:22 AM
That hardly screamed insecurity at all...
1889  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Them BFL Cowboys on: February 28, 2013, 01:17:30 AM
I don't find their ridiculous excuses for the delays to be at all credible and please don't get me started on comparing Van Riper to Vleisides.
1890  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: If bitcoins become massive, what is a good amount to have? on: February 28, 2013, 12:36:50 AM
Definitely. Hold onto something safe...like fiat. Grin
1891  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Them BFL Cowboys on: February 27, 2013, 11:28:04 PM
I concur with with Yogafan on the "Its almost like you want them to fail" part. As someone who has a vested interest in their upcoming line and in addition to that a potential customer of other bitcoin mining products; I would like to ask you to please stop the FUD. What you are doing is not helpful at all for the community at large nor is it informative.

If and when BFL turns out to be a failure / scam like bitcoinasic.net, that is when it would be appropriate to make comments like they are "cowboys" and bash them into non-existence.

Wouldn't it be too late to warn unsuspecting investors of the risks/poor company performance at that point?


If their true intention was to con investors, such warnings would be valid and warranted. However based on the evidence of their past endeavours and in addition to bringing one of CGminer's core developers to actually visit their headquarters in KC; its highly unlikely that they would go through all that effort to con unsuspecting investors.

Pardon? They've been lying about shipping dates for EIGHT MONTHS...how is that not a con? The evidence of their past endeavors indicates that they're dishonest about shipping dates and power consumption specs. Hey at least they're consistently dishonest though right?
1892  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Where to order ASIICS? on: February 27, 2013, 07:31:57 PM
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placing an order with BFL will not result in a product anytime soon...if ever.


So, are there no BFL products in the wild yet?

From their website they looked pretty legit. Granted, I am lord of the noobs when it comes to BitMining and have 0 idea about any of this just yet.

Zero. Yeah their website is lovely.
1893  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: February 27, 2013, 06:46:56 PM
there are some folks betting on a turn down below the all time high. most likely, they have only the interest to avoid prices going higher
but I am not sure if they will manage. the upward pressure is huge, and their ask orders could well be a great dinner for the bulls. and when the all time high breaks, fasten the seat belts...


Also, half the wall is fake...

DAMMIT! Why can't we ever have nice things?!? Angry
1894  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Is Litecoin really really cheap right now? Or is it dying? on: February 27, 2013, 06:27:10 PM
Everything in (physical) existence is a duality (this includes virtual stuff), best known are things like like day/night, energy/matter, male/female, yang/yin, hot/cold, Coke/Pepsi, PC/mac, Etc/Etc - a piece of paper has to have two sides & anything that comes in to existence brings it's other side in to existence also, they can compete/cooperate & everything in between but there will always be an Alt, whether it is Litecoin or another alt to Bitcoin I couldn't be sure but atm it is by far the most likely candidate imo & so therefor well worth keeping an eye upon at the very least, there are niche markets where it may prove very successful & dedicated talented people working on applications for it  - I am actively building a stake in it atm - which you can find it somewhere on http://forum.litecoin.net/index.php/topic,608.0.html hopefully, if you like.

What about Ford/Chrysler/GM?

Bad example. Two of those companies have been driven into bankruptcy and have received goobermint bailouts.

I'm pro LTC btw.
1895  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker on: February 27, 2013, 06:21:00 PM
(Everyone afraid to post after donald duck?)

I was...bad karma, was waiting for a Mickey Mouse or Pluto post to turn things around. A 420 will have to do.
1896  Other / Off-topic / Re: [POLL] Should BFL get a Scammer tag? on: February 27, 2013, 05:52:53 PM
What the hell is BFL? I keep seeing it mentioned around the forums

Butterfly Labs = vaporware vendor.

http://www.butterflylabs.com/

1897  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Delivery estimate for BFL single? on: February 27, 2013, 05:13:18 PM
Going off all ive read, mid to late march is my guess.

I seriously doubt it. Their current lie rosy picture leads one to believe that when the 6000 5000 chips finally leave the bumping facility that they'll have working products shipped within a couple weeks, but that's not at all realistic even for a company staffed with competent labor.
1898  Economy / Speculation / Re: Silver at 29 ,Bitcoin at 30. this is no-brainer.. on: February 27, 2013, 05:03:40 PM
We know the supply of physical silver is also limited. What we cannot know is how much paper silver will be manufactured counterfeited. Advantage BTC.
1899  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin to Wall Street ? on: February 27, 2013, 05:00:09 PM


Give them a little time to concoct another plausible improbability. +1 to Loaded I guess (if at all related Wink ).

she can put those paddles on me any day. Wink

oh wait, i'm not a bear.

...also if your heart is beating at the time it wouldn't be beating afterward.

lolz at this "news"

Can you elaborate?
1900  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: Them BFL Cowboys on: February 27, 2013, 03:42:32 PM
I concur with with Yogafan on the "Its almost like you want them to fail" part. As someone who has a vested interest in their upcoming line and in addition to that a potential customer of other bitcoin mining products; I would like to ask you to please stop the FUD. What you are doing is not helpful at all for the community at large nor is it informative.

If and when BFL turns out to be a failure / scam like bitcoinasic.net, that is when it would be appropriate to make comments like they are "cowboys" and bash them into non-existence.

Wouldn't it be too late to warn unsuspecting investors of the risks/poor company performance at that point?
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