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1881  Other / Politics & Society / ‘Ring of steel’: NATO summit turns Welsh cities into massive open-air prisons on: August 29, 2014, 09:02:26 AM
‘Ring of steel’: NATO summit turns Welsh cities into massive open-air prisons
http://rt.com/uk/183348-nato-summit-fence-lockdown/



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A “ring of steel” likened to a prison or the Berlin Wall has been erected around the NATO Summit venues in Newport and Cardiff city center ahead of the military alliance’s conference next week.

Ten miles of nine-foot high security fencing has been set up to protect world leaders attending the September 4-5 conference amid fears issued by former foreign office minister Kim Howells of a possible attack by Islamic extremists.

Some reader comments hit the nail on the head:

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David Hilton 28.08.2014 20:09

What are they frightened of ?, ISIS ?, Al Qaeda ?, the IRA ?, Russian or Chinese spies maybe ?.
NO, they`re frightened of the British public, we know America is using NATO to start another war, and we won`t have it !!!!!.
 
Reg 28.08.2014 19:40

Isn't this shameful! If they haven't done anything wrong and they've done their homework why so frightened?
 
Nigel Hedley 28.08.2014 19:32

. . . this is insane! NATO has a headquarters in Brussels . . . why can't the meeting be held there? what is the point of an HQ if you don't use it . . . they would never consider holding a meeting of the General Assembly of the UN any where else than the UN in New York . . . (actually they did once, in Central Methodist Hall in London . . . but that was before they had their own building!!

Mr. Kite 28.08.2014 17:42

Well as they are most likely discussing the next false flag operation, which they are hoping will kick start world war 3, they need such security. Can't let that info get out now can they?
1882  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sanction against Russia for West-choreographed conflict in Ukraine on: August 29, 2014, 08:45:36 AM
Russian gas sector should not be sanctioned – EU energy chief
http://rt.com/business/183364-russian-gas-not-sanctioned/

Switzerland mirrors EU sanctions against Russia
http://rt.com/business/183296-switzerland-sanctions-russian-lenders/

Bye-bye Swiss cheese.

What irks me is why they talk about sanctions as a normal everyday stuff in the first place?
1883  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: August 29, 2014, 08:16:34 AM
I love how "the international community" operates. They first urge Russia to somehow magically de-escalate an internal conflict in another country, and then, when Russia comes with concrete proposals for peace, they get blocked:

Russia-suggested statement on Ukraine ceasefire blocked at UNSC under ‘frivolous pretext’
http://rt.com/news/183512-security-council-ukraine-russia/

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A statement calling for a ceasefire in eastern Ukraine was blocked at the UN Security Council under a completely frivolous pretext, Russia's envoy to the UN Vitaly Churkin said, after a heated debate with Kiev again accusing Russia of full-scale invasion.

“The Russian delegation's proposal on declaration of a ceasefire was blocked under a frivolous pretext,” Churkin said after the emergency session of the UNSC meeting, Itar-Tass quotes. “The Security Council as a result of destructive efforts of a number of its members was unable to play its role in resolving the Ukrainian crisis.”


A sad image of a WWII memorial at Savur-Mohyla, yet so symbolic:



UN: Ukraine conflict death toll hits 2,600, civilians ‘trapped inside conflict zones’
http://rt.com/news/183620-ukraine-conflict-death-toll/
1884  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russia invades Ukraine on: August 29, 2014, 08:12:36 AM
Russia’s Defense Ministry ridicules NATO’s photo-proof of invasion in Ukraine
http://rt.com/news/183536-nato-images-ridiculed-russia/

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It makes no sense to comment in detail on the satellite imagery released by NATO as “proof” of Russia’s military involvement in Ukraine, Defense Ministry’s spokesman said, pointing out that even high NATO officials were hesitant to put their names on it.

...

 “You know, it has become ridiculous… If earlier, someone would at least put their names on those images, be it Breedlove, Rasmussen, or even Lungescu, now, they are hesitant,” Konashenkov said as cited by RIA Novosti. “It makes no sense to seriously comment on this.”


...

 Russia's permanent representative to the EU Vladimir Chizhov also said neither NATO, the United States or the European Union have presented any evidence of Russian troop presence in the east of Ukraine.

According to him, the “stuffing of misinformation through the media and directly from Kiev” each time is carried out on the eve of important meetings at the EU level, this time ahead of the summit on August 30 in Brussels, “probably in anticipation of some critical language and even sanctions from the EU,” Itar-Tass quotes.

And some entertainment:
http://rt.com/news/183548-canada-geography-tweet-russia/

Plus this food for thought:
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On Tuesday, President Vladimir Putin said that Ukrainian troops regularly cross the Russian border both armed and unarmed, intentionally or unintentionally, and were never charged with anything and allowed to freely return to Ukraine.
1885  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: August 29, 2014, 08:09:05 AM
Russia urges UNSC to stop ‘speculation around MH17 flight’
http://rt.com/news/183524-mh17-investigation-churkin-unsc/

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At a UN Security Council meeting, Russia demanded the international community to stop speculation about the MH17 flight, unless someone is willing to contribute info important to investigation, such as air traffic controller’s records concealed by Kiev.
1886  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Russia invades Ukraine on: August 29, 2014, 07:25:50 AM
Basically, this:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-28/ukraine-accuses-russia-launching-invasion-then-promptly-retracts

This is yet another character assassination attempt on Putin and demonisation of Russia. First Putin personally shot a non-existent Buk, now Putin personally drives a tank into Ukraine.
And interesting analysis of this personal verbal assaults on Putin here:
http://futuristrendcast.wordpress.com/2014/08/15/is-putin-part-of-nwo/

And a greater historical perspective on where all this comes from here:
http://stanislavs.org/black-myths-about-rus-from-ivan-the-formidable-until-our-time/
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740020.0
1887  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: August 28, 2014, 02:31:22 PM
Ukraine Accuses Russia Of Launching Invasion, Then Promptly Retracts   Grin

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-28/ukraine-accuses-russia-launching-invasion-then-promptly-retracts

Oops, they did it again...

The key point of this whole renewed round of charade is this:

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Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseny Yatseniuk appealed to the United States, European Union and G7 countries "to freeze Russian assets and finances until Russia withdraws armed forces, equipment and agents". Rebel advances this week have opened a new front in the conflict just as Ukraine's army appeared to have gained the upper hand, virtually encircling the separatists in their main strongholds of Donetsk and Luhansk.

Yatsenjuk and Poroshenko are nothing more than Washington puppets, so this is just another pretext for more "sanctions" so as to threaten Russia not to continue with its dollar-ditching.

Zerohedge thinks it's about Syria:

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PUTIN STARTED WAR IN EUROPE, UKRAINE’S PREMIER YATSENYUK SAYS

Ok so far so good: accusations, counteraccusations - we are used to that.

But where things once again got surreal, making everyone not only laugh but wonder how the CIA has lost the plotline so badly, was the following "clarification" headline from Reuters, which noticed some rather substantial change in the language on the website of the Ukraine president:

CORRECTED-UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT POROSHENKO SAYS RUSSIAN TROOPS HAVE BEEN BROUGHT INTO UKRAINE (NOT 'RUSSIAN MILITARY INVASION HAS TAKEN PLACE') - PRESIDENTIAL WEBSITE

Indeed, instead of explicitly saying a "Russian military invasion has taken place", the website now reads: "I have made a decision to cancel my working visit to the Republic of Turkey due to sharp aggravation of the situation in Donetsk region, particularly in Amvrosiivka and Starobeshevo, as Russian troops were actually brought into Ukraine," the President noted."

For all those wondering if to BTFATH or STFR, please sit tight until Ukraine gets its marching orders from the US State Dept whether to brand the "Russian troops being brought into Ukraine" as an invasion, or merely an accidental crossing, depending on how all of this will impact US strategy in Syria, which all of this is really all about: because remember, if and when the US begins to bomb the Assad regime under the guise it is fighting ISIS, all it will do is greenlight Qatar sending its gas pipeline to Europe... which after all has been the plan all along since 2012.

So stay tuned as this "socially-networked war" comedy unfolds before our eyes.

 Grin



Some comments are a fun read:

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It is only real when photos of Putin leading the troops while sitting bare chested on tanks surface....

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Needs more drama...

Standing grim faced on a tank turret with the Russian flag in one of those 30's poster heroic Soviet poses.

Calling WB7...

...

Don't they know what happens when you cry wolf too many times?

And a more interesting informative comment:


The Ukrianian conscripts are giving up their equipment and laying down their guns.

https://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=4046811478707691837&postID=7650351684817266383
East Ukraine militias seize large amount of Ukrainian armor

According to the hackers' estimates, defenders of the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics seized 79 T-64 tanks, 94 infantry fighting vehicles, 57 armored personnel carriers and 24 Grad systems

Not just a sharp deterioration of the situation. JUST GRIM in Kiev


Hm, a good analysis from the above link, though I do not agree that Russia should have sent in peacekeepers from the start - that would have been walking right into the trap:

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The 'rebels', having reached their SINGULARITY, can now employ the 'blitzkrieg' that was such a terrible tactic for the neo-Nazis (hence the 'cauldrons').

Blitzkrieg requires rapid conquer and conversion tactics of the territories gained. This was something Kiev could never do, leading them into the same type of traps the original Nazis eventually encountered in Russia during WW2.

But when Blitzkrieg worked for the original Nazis, it revolutionised the face of modern warfare (which prior to that date relied on mega-expensive, static, state-of-the-art defensive lines).

Google "Ukraine" in the news section, and read what the Jewish controlled mainstream media is currently saying. If you recall, these outlets were telling their readers only a week or so back that the 'rebels' were about to fall. Some of the 'short-bus' types haven't got the updated memo, and are still pushing this nonsense. But most have swapped to headlines declaring the Putin has sent Russian forces into East Ukraine, and these are the reason for the 'magic' reversal.

Problem is, these so-called Russian forces are NOT accused of defending the two main 'rebel' cities, which is curious since Kiev's main attacks were happening there. The focus instead is one telling their readers that Putin himself (yes, really) is directly commanding new forces sweeping Southwards- ultimately on their way to Crimea (apparently).

The Jewish controlled mainstream media of the West ALWAYS assumes its readership has the memory of a goldfish (hence the memory-hole concept of Orwell's 1984). With regard to 99% of the sheeple, they are sadly right.

So we have victory at last? Well yes, Novorussia now clearly has an army that can defend the new independent region from CURRENT neo-Nazi forces. But this outcome is what NATO was planning for all along. Had Putin simply sent in the peacekeepers at the beginning, Ukraine would have split into new nations by now, with ZERO escalating military tensions.

East Ukraine has reached a level of successful militarisation that now allows NATO to formally define it as a CLEAR and PRESENT threat. NATO has a major meeting coming up in Tony Blair's homeland. NATO is about to open up a second front against Russia in Finland, another region Russia CANNOT allow to become a NATO first-strike base.

The West can trivially craft a Syria-style war against Novorussia for as long as it desires. And since Ukraine possessed simple nuclear warheads (manufactured AFTER independence), the nightmare scenario has the monsters of the West 'persuading' their Kiev stooges to apply the 'Hiroshima' option. If this seems INSANE to you, you haven't been paying attention to the absolutely horrific warmongering of the West since the first Iraq War.

By hook or by crook, the monsters will get their World War. Ramping up accepted levels of military violence all across our planet is an essential part of their 'grooming' strategy- and getting the use of nukes as an 'expected' part of large scale warfare is a stage they must reach.

PS Humanity used to consider bombing cities from the air as obscene as nuclear warfare. The most extraordinary propaganda campaigns were crafted in the early 20th century to reverse this opinion- and by the time WW2 arrived, the 'allies' could burn entire cities filled with civilians to the ground, with minimum public outcry.
1888  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Poland- the way to Western Europe Russo-Mania style! [free] on: August 28, 2014, 01:59:27 PM
2 - As in any country, especially in an unstable one, there's what is good for the country and its people, and what is good for those, who managed to claw their way to the top positions. These things are divergent. I don't think Moldovans really want to join either Russia or Romania, provided they have a say in how their country is run, but if played "correctly", these people can be divided into warring camps. Divide and conquer.

No, I haven't touched the topic of name-changing. There is too much of it, to suite the political winds. There was some protest at renaming of Stalingrad, and there is a movement for return of that name now. Changing of a name should not be taken lightly, and should not go against the wishes of the people living under that name. I despise Stalin, but I am for the return of the name Stalingrad.
1889  Other / Politics & Society / Re: RAND PAUL: HILLARY'S 'WAR HAWK' POLICIES LED TO BENGHAZI ATTACK, RISE OF ISIS on: August 28, 2014, 01:48:23 PM
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While Muammar Gaddafi, or Syrian dictator Bashar Al-Assad, or Iraq’s Saddam Hussein—deposed during the George W. Bush administration—were certainly bad actors

Talking about Assad in the past tense already...  Roll Eyes
1890  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Poland- the way to Western Europe Russo-Mania style! [free] on: August 28, 2014, 01:01:00 PM
Liberation of what?Huh Sorry but I can't help laughing when you use russian for it... why?

Chișinău. Happy? Maybe for the same reason English say Crimea and not Krym, Moscow and not Moskva.  I can't help laughing when they use english for it... why?

You have to make it more clear.. who wants this , Romania or Moldova , if it's the second I don't see any reason not too.
But I have to say I'm against a reunification right now
Neither, if a referendum was conducted.

Because the veterans of the Soviet Army liberating Moldova now got the same status as those fighting on the side of Germans and Romanians. (Going the same path as Ukraine and Baltic, where the punitive Nazi battalions of the 1940s are the new heroes)

Because the Russian veterans had the same habits of liberating a country and then forgetting the way back.

Here you go again. I said, Soviet, not Russian, don't mix that up, will you - the veterans include Moldavian, as well as representatives of other republics. If Romanians have issues, they should address them to Georgia. Wink

Bottom line is...
Russia has nothing to say in this matter.
It's an internal affair between Romania and Moldova.

The really bottom line is, is an internal affair of Moldova only, not even Romania.

However, as long as a large portion of a population (especially in the East, Transnistria, bordering to the Russian-speaking part of Southern Ukraine) does not want to become Romanian and doesn't want to be forcefully Romanised, then those people will be looking towards Russia for support, just as Moldovians of Romanian descent in the West-Moldova will seek support in Romania. And then there is a wildcard in the form of the gipsies.
1891  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Poland- the way to Western Europe Russo-Mania style! [free] on: August 28, 2014, 12:19:50 PM


You are missing Moldova here, where West-Ukrainian-style ethnic unrest is being fomented now, and which will be unleashed soon. The hand of Romania is seen pretty strongly there, and well as worshipping of Nazi-german army collaborators. Familiar?

Why did I anticipate this attack?
Probably because of this?

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/business/article/moldova-inaugurates-gas-pipeline-in-bid-to-break-energy-reliance-on-russia/506029.html

=))))))

Wrong.

Because a couple of days ago Moldavian veterans were celebrating the liberation of Kishenjov. They were relegated to a memorial cemetery from the main square, where the celebration previously customarily to place. The communal workers suddenly had to dig up the square on that day.
Because the Belskij street, named after the commander conducting the liberation of Kisjenjov from Romanian troops got renamed, despite protests of the residents.
Because on the 9th of May the prime minister turned up with a ribbon of a Romanian flag colours.
Because the veterans of the Soviet Army liberating Moldova now got the same status as those fighting on the side of Germans and Romanians. (Going the same path as Ukraine and Baltic, where the punitive Nazi battalions of the 1940s are the new heroes)
Because the memorial to the fallen soldiers was almost demolished, and only massive protests saved it.
Because there are open calls in the political top that Romania should just annex Moldova.
Because the association agreement of Moldova, which met the same level or protest as in Ukraine, bears the same sovereignty-depriving legal points.

Moldova is going the same path of hatred-building that Ukraine took over the last decades. Moldova is not yet ready to be unleashed - the young generation has not yet been fully-indoctrinated. It's a ticking bomb slated to go off in a few years.

The link above (I didn't know about that, thanks for pointing it out) demonstrates yet another step on the above path. It's just another flag-waving demonstration of Moldavian oligarchic elite (which is even more corrupt than Ukrainian prior to the February coup was) showing how subservient they are to the hand that feeds them.

By the way, I am not sure if Romania at a common level will be happy with what is prepared for it in Moldova.

If the gas cooperation between Romania and Moldova was kept on the business level and benefited both countries, so much the better. It's politicising of business as the current trend that is the problem.
1892  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: August 28, 2014, 11:53:49 AM
Before the conflict in Ukraine started you had no post in politics and society..
After that you have no posts on the other boards....

I am still here. It struck too close home - my family has ties to Crimea and Odessa, I also spent almost all summers of my childhood there. I couldn't sit and watch as another Yugoslavia unfolded, with one-sided ad-nauseum stories in the local media. You don't see me commenting (much) on the Middle-East conflicts - letting those who have ties to that region do the commenting. I only have that much free time and emotional capacity. Translating takes time, getting into the situation takes time, other boards (especially the wall observer) were sacrificed. It's like asking why so few turned up at a carnival when the city is under artillery fire. You priorities change. The priority now is to stop the hostilities in Ukraine specifically and against Russia on the bigger level so as to avoid hot WWIII.

Besides, I hope my posts differ from a regular NATO-troll. I try to translate, inform, call to reason. It is my belief that conflicts such as in Ukraine, are born from ignorance and misunderstanding, leading to fear and murder, yet it does not spring up unaided - such hatred needs to be specifically fostered.

I am also painfully aware that a single commenter such as myself won't change anything. Those who can use their heads and analyse the situation can see what is really happening. Those who get swayed by my arguing, will as easily be swayed by someone else in a different direction, and those, blinded by genuine  hatred and bloodlust, or simply well-paid will continue their destructive work.

However, if you just give up and give in, people in Russia and Eastern-Europe would have been talking German by now, as an example...
1893  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: August 28, 2014, 11:25:24 AM
Two more (new) trolls in one day. I say NATO is getting desperate. The amount of unleashed trolls and the acidity of their droppings is a sure indicator. And they are peaking for the second time since May.

There was even less trolling when MH-17 got shot down and it seemed as though Russia would get the blame, despite the perpetrators missing by a few kilometres and the plane falling in Ukraine, and not in Russia, as seems to have been the plan, judging by the subsequent (ready-made for the crash?) rhetoric of Russian skies not being safe for civil aviation.

This is getting interesting. Frankly they should proceed up to Kiev & arrest Yatseniuk, Turchinov & Poroshenko then line them up before a firing squad. The thousands of dead in Novorossiya should get justice.

Russia is logging all the atrocities committed by Kiev in a white book, containing two volumes already. There will yet be a Nürenberg-style process.
1894  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Crimea, Ukraine, Poland- the way to Western Europe Russo-Mania style! [free] on: August 28, 2014, 11:20:08 AM
Welcome to my ignore list. You have failed a simple human decency and code of polite conduct test.
1895  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: August 28, 2014, 11:18:38 AM
I am moving the following post in here from from under the troll-droppings in the Donetsk thread:



By the way, who shot down the Malaysian Airline?


A Ukrainiain MiG-29.

http://linkis.com/themillenniumreport.com/Ay72W

The whole MH17 thing was one of the most obvious false flags ever. Not only did it coincide with strangely coordinated numerology,  but there has been so much obvious evidence of a coverup that even the most hardened of conspiracy theory deniers would have to give pause.

Also, there has been a secret agreement that all of the investigating countries have signed Non-Disclosures, so whatever the outcome of the investigation... it will never be made known publicly.

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2014/08/mh-17-investigation-secret-august-8th-agreement-seeps.html

snip:

 In other words: the official ‘investigation’ is being carried out by four nations that, as U.S. allies, are hostile toward Russia. One of those four nations, Ukraine, is not only a prime suspect in possibly having shot this airliner down, but is currently waging a hot war to ethnically-cleanse the pro-Russian population out of southeastern Ukraine; and the initial ‘news’ reports in Western ‘news’ media regarding the downing of MH-17 had said that this airliner was probably downed by the local rebels there, who were trying to shoot down the Ukrainian Government’s bombers that are constantly bombing them. Some Western ‘news’ reports even speculated that perhaps Russia itself had shot this airliner down. If the UNIAN news-report is correct, then there is no way that the ‘investigation’ will be able to be released to the public if it indicates that the Ukrainian Government (which, according to that news-report has veto power  over the making-public of the study’s findings) is blamed for having shot the airliner down.


Furthermore, satellite evidence showed that MH17 was shadowed by Ukrainian fighter jets so that cannot be denied. Also, the plane was ordered to lower from 35,000 feet to 33,000 feet by Ukraine air traffic control. And finally, all the Air Traffic control tapes were confiscated and have never been released. All of this is extremely suspicious and point to a coverup from the Ukraine authorities.



Reposting this here, as it seems to be a theory that explains the most of the observations (and the link of origin was not that stable for me):
http://linkis.com/themillenniumreport.com/Ay72W

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Boeing-777 was downed by Ukrainian MiG-29, Romanian expert says.

Romanian military expert, pilot and former deputy commander of Otopeni military airport, Valentin Vasilescu, presented his version of the tragedy of the Malaysian Boeing in the sky over Ukraine. According to the expert, the plane was shot down by Ukrainian MiG-29, possibly piloted by Polish pilot.

Valentin Vasilescu refutes the theory, according to which the plane had been shot down by surface-to-air missile, which, according to American and Ukrainian versions, the militia launched from Buk-1M mobile unit.

“A surface-to-air missile, with a warhead weighing from 40 to 70 kilos, explodes not inside the object of destruction, but near it, at a distance of 50-100 meters. The detonation of the warhead produces a shock wave that disperses fragments with high velocities. They can puncture the fuselage of an aircraft, but given the size of the Boeing-777 (73 meters long, with a large wingspan), they can not lead to the destruction of the aircraft in separate smaller parts, as it happens with the aircraft that are 7-10 times smaller. Such fragments, when hitting a Boeing-777, can rupture the fuel system of the aircraft. The fuel can spread on the fuselage and wings, setting the whole plane on fire,” said the expert.

“Similarly, if the hydraulic system had been damaged, the Boeing 777 would have lost control of the flight. Thus, if such a large aircraft like Boeing-777 of Malaysia Airlines had been hit by surface-to-air missile, the crew would have been able to warn traffic control services of the situation on board. But we do not see anything like that in registers,” Valentin Vasilescu said.

The plane, as shown by black boxes, collapsed in the air, but this is only possible in case of a horizontal nosedive from the height of ten thousand feet, when the maximum speed limit is exceeded. “If the plane spins, the crew is very often unable to control the aircraft. Instantaneous depressurization of the cockpit may also occur,” the expert said.

Douglas Barrie, a researcher of the International Institute for Strategic Studies, said that the edges of a fragment of the cockpit fuselage on the right side were bent from the inside to the outside. This indicates an explosion that occurred inside the plane, which is impossible if the Boeing MH-17 had been shot down by missile equipped with a proximity fuse.

The plane could not be shot down by Buk-M1 as there was no electromagnetic radiation from the missile complex registered. There was no thick plume or white condensation of 10-35 kilometers from the earth, which appears and lasts for several minutes after launch.

The expert notes that he is not alone in his opinion. For example, Gordon Duff, a veteran of the Vietnam War, currently a security consultant, believes that the Malaysian Boeing could not be shot down by surface-to-air or air-to-air missile. According to him, it was either a bomb explosion on board, or “a gun of a Ukrainian fighter jet.” “It was a diabolical brain that planned the attack, as flight MH-17 was shot down from an onboard gun. The gun left traces that make one believe that it was a small bomb that exploded inside,” he said. Canadian expert Michael Bociurkiw wrote in his report that part of the aircraft fuselage was dotted with “shrapnel-like, almost machine gun-like holes.” He said the damage was inspected by Malaysian aviation-security officials. Bociurkiw believes that Boeing MH-17 was shot down from small arms or artillery weapons of a fighter aircraft that had a high fire rate.

The expert referred to the report from BBC correspondent Olga Ivzina from July 23, 2014, which was later censored by the company management. The report provided testimony from residents of the Donetsk region, who confirmed the presence of another aircraft in the sky over the area, where  the catastrophe occurred.

According to Valentin Vasilescu, evidence from Russian military experts about the participation of a Ukrainian fighter aircraft in the destruction of the Boeing were quite convincing. He recalled that at the press conference of the Ministry of Defence of the Russian Federation on July 21, 2014, Chief of Air Staff, Lieutenant-General Igor Makushev and Head of the Main Operations Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces, Lieutenant-General Andrei Kartopolov, noted that at the time when the airliner disappeared from radar screens, radar stations of the Russian Defense Ministry registered another aircraft, supposedly a Su-25. The aircraft is capable of gaining altitude of up to ten kilometers and can be equipped with air-to-air missiles with a range of 12 kilometers, capable of striking targets at a distance of five kilometers. The unidentified aircraft was approaching the liner at a distance of three to five kilometers and then continued to patrol the crash site.

However, the Romanian expert believes that it was not a Ukrainian Su-25, as the plane could not reach the altitude of 10,300 meters and strike the Boeing due to the poor level of training of Ukrainian flight personnel and technical imperfection of old Su-25. Vasilescu indicates that radars show Su-25 identically to MiG-29 fighter jet, as the planes have identical reflective surface area. “The altitude limit for MiG-29 is 18,013 meters, so the height, at which the Malaysian plane was flying – 10,300 meters – was easy to achieve.” “The Su-25 does not have enough acceleration due to its maximum speed of 975 kilometers per hour, so it can not catch up with a Boeing-777, and follow it at a distance of 58 kilometers at a speed of 900 kilometers per hour and at an altitude of ten thousand meters, keeping the velocity of about 200-300 meters per second, to attack it from on-board weapons. A Mig-29 has two high thrust engines, allowing it to develop the speed of 2000 kilometers per hour. The fleet of the Ukrainian Air Force has fighter aircraft MiG-29 that are capable of intercepting Boeing-777. The fighters are based near Kiev and in Ivano-Frankivsk,” the expert concludes.

Vasilescu added that MiG-29 of the Ukrainian army are armed with GSh-301, 30 millimeter gun, with a rate of 1,500 rounds per minute. The gun was loaded with 150 shells containing tungsten alloy. “These shells go through targets, leaving traces of perfectly circular shape. They do not explode inside the cockpit, they are not incendiary, but can kill the crew and destroy the cockpit, which can be seen in the presence of holes with their edges opening outside on the opposite wall.

Thus, the Malaysian Boeing MH-17, according to the Romanian expert, was shot down from a gun of a MiG-29 aircraft, rather than a missile. Even air-to-air missiles, the expert says, R-60, for example, have a proximity fuse. In this case, fragments would fly 360 degrees around and strike the entire fuselage of the aircraft, not just the cockpit. In addition, air-to-air missiles are equipped with heat seekers that target the most heated part of the aircraft, i.e. the engines. The crashed Boeing had the cockpit destroyed. The death of the crew and the depressurization of the cockpit made the Boeing spin instantly, and the plane fell apart at an altitude of two thousand meters. In the air, there was neither fire, nor bomb explosion.

The Romanian expert noted that Polish military pilots are best trained in south-eastern Europe and have many hours of flight time (180-200 hours per year). “They are familiar with the airspace of Ukraine, they took part in all exercises that Ukrainian Air Force has organized in the last four or five years. Polish Air Force has 31 MiG-29 jets, 16 of which were re-equipped by specialists of Israel Aerospace Industries. The planes received new avionics (multifunction color displays (MFCD), GPS-guided weapons, data-link support, UHF / VHF RT-8200 Rockwell Collins radio station and MDP video technology, etc.). Polish pilots were trained by Israeli instructors who have extensive experience in destroying a variety of air targets, concluded Valentin Vasilescu.
1896  Other / Politics & Society / Moldova on: August 28, 2014, 10:58:39 AM
I started this thread as humoristic jab at another moderated russophobic thread, that went under the title "Crimea, Ukraine, Poland- the way to Western Europe Russo-Mania style!".

The discussion here evolved towards Moldova and what is going to happen there, so I am renaming this thread and giving it a new direction. It will be very relevant soon.

The initial post is below the line.



Well, this one is at least un self-sensored as appropriate to freedom of speech, unlike the other thread, which is created in the best censored NATO-troll traditions. Cheesy

Now, what did people want to say?

Remember, Poland has made its choice many centuries ago, in becoming the cannon fodder for the Western powers.

Crimea? You try to say this in Crimea and watch the reaction... Smiley

Ukraine? West-Ukraine - yes. East-Ukraine - no.
See: http://stanislavs.org/two-ukraines/

You are missing Moldova here, where West-Ukrainian-style ethnic unrest is being fomented now, and which will be unleashed soon. The hand of Romania is seen pretty strongly there, and well as worshipping of Nazi-german army collaborators. Familiar?
1897  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crash: Boeing 777 Crashed in Ukraine Near Russian Border on: August 27, 2014, 02:38:14 PM
Conspicuous silence continues... Currently it feels as if only Russia is interested in finding out what really happened. Even though no Russians died on board, Russia and its reputation is one of the victims of this shoot-down.

Death & lies: The only truth of flight MH17
http://rt.com/op-edge/183132-only-truth-flight-mh17/
1898  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Donetsk, Kharkov, Lugansk - way to Russia. on: August 27, 2014, 02:00:49 PM
mothers of captured russian soldiers beg putin and shoigu to bring back their sons to russia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbgVEt9-SmM

What about this? Mothers of captured and killed Ukrainian soldiers picket a high ranking Ukrainian army general.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWi0Daf228M

Unlike the Russian army, most of those teenagers who were recently drafted in to the Ukrainian army joined it unwillingly. They were threatened with jail sentences if they refuse to serve in the army.

As far as I can gather - they were the escort of the humanitarian aid convoy. You can hardly call that an invasion force.  Roll Eyes
Or did anyone expect that the convoy would have been sent in without cover, when West-Ukrainians make a sport of hunting on civilian buses and cars? Convoy protection is a standard practice in all hot spots.
1899  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Meanwhile in Ukraine... Revolution. on: August 27, 2014, 01:38:38 PM
An interesting Op-Edge on RT:

‘Poroshenko wants to internationalize the situation and turn it into a conflict between Ukraine and Russia’
http://rt.com/op-edge/183112-russia-ukraine-crisis-negotiations-gas/

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Russia does not consider itself party to the conflict in Ukraine, seeing it as a conflict between the Eastern Ukrainians and the Kiev, while Poroshenko’s analysis of the situation is totally different, legal expert and blogger Alexander Mercouris told RT.

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RT: Why do you think Vladimir Putin devoted most of his opening speech to economics, unlike his Ukrainian counterpart, who right away spoke about the conflict in Ukraine?

AM: The fundamental difference is that the Russians do not consider themselves to be a party to the conflict in Ukraine. They see the conflict there as a conflict between the people in the Eastern Ukraine and the authorities who came to power in Kiev in February. So their analysis of the situation is totally different from the one of Poroshenko and of the people in Kiev who want to internationalize the question and turn it into a conflict between Ukraine and Russia. That is why you see a totally different approach from the two presidents.

So far Russia managed to not get involved, except for sending a few trucks with humanitarian aid to the genocided Russian population of the East-Ukraine, and getting hit by the sanctions for a few of its diplomatic efforts at initiating peace process.  I hope for the world in general that Russia will continue to deny NATO warmongers the pleasure of creating WWIII, and stay strictly on the diplomatic level.

Judging by the reactions from the Russians, there is hope:

Most Russians see Ukrainian turmoil as civil war - poll
http://rt.com/politics/182860-russia-ukraine-civil-poll/

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Almost 60 percent of Russians consider the current crisis in Ukraine a civil war, and the same share of those polled do not expect the strain in Russia-Ukraine relations to develop into a ‘hot’ military conflict.
1900  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Is the West gearing up to invade Russia once again? on: August 27, 2014, 01:23:58 PM
What do I see: more hawkish rhetoric from NATO (read: US and Rasmussen):

NATO chief eyes more bases in E. Europe to confront Russia
http://rt.com/news/183064-nato-rasmussen-europe-russia/

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Under the pretext of an 'overt' Russian threat, NATO is pushing for a ‘readiness action plan’ that will bring the Cold War military bloc closer to Russian borders than ever - even despite objections from some NATO members.

NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said the 28-nation military bloc, which meets next week in Cardiff, Wales, would attempt to overcome internal opposition and agree to the deployment of military bases near the Russian border.

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"We have something already called the NATO response force, whose purpose is to be able to be deployed rapidly if needed,” Rasmussen said in an interview with several European newspapers. “Now it's our intention to develop what I would call a spearhead within that response force at very, very, high readiness. In order to be able to provide such rapid reinforcements you also need some reception facilities in host nations. So it will involve the pre-positioning of supplies, of equipment, preparation of infrastructure, bases, headquarters.”

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Remarkably, Rasmussen asserted that Russia “does not consider NATO a partner,” when it was NATO that flat-out refused Russian participation in the controversial US missile defense system, also planned for Eastern Europe. Such cooperation, had it been given the green light, would have sealed the so-called reset between the two Cold War-era foes, bringing to end years of mutual suspicion and antagonism. Instead, the US and NATO opted to keep Russia on the sidelines, ensuring nothing less than another full-blown arms race.

Norway already got several ship-loads of American weapons and tanks to be deployed near Russian border, ready to attack.

PS:
Two NATO warships heading to Black Sea – report
http://rt.com/news/182944-nato-ships-black-sea/
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