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1901  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why Bitcoin is dumping? on: November 23, 2019, 09:09:58 PM
China 'banned' Bitcoin AGAIN? - https://twitter.com/DoveyWan/status/1197807060877901825

I have always maintained that the less China there is the better. Nothing has changed. There aren't even any exchanges there to screw with any more.

apparently they plan to shut down small local exchanges that remained after the 2017 ban: https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-drops-below-73k-as-china-vows-to-dispose-of-exchanges

more than that, it sounds like they are planning to go after offshore exchanges too:

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they will further regulate Trading platform whose servers are outside mainland but providing virtual currency trading services to domestic residents
1902  Economy / Speculation / Re: Disturbing on: November 22, 2019, 09:55:08 PM
And at this point in time did China announce that they are vowing to ban all local crypto exchange inside their country. This isn't a result of them having majority of their local market for the crypto, but a genuine ban on it and instead said that they would focus more on blockchain technology instead.

source: https://cointelegraph.com/news/bitcoin-drops-below-73k-as-china-vows-to-dispose-of-exchanges

they would just be enforcing the ban they issued in 2017. all chinese exchanges of note already shut down or left the country, hence the emphasis on "local" (read: small) exchanges.

the chinese government always likes to send a message when they sense that bitcoin speculation is on the rise.
1903  Economy / Speculation / Re: trump is the cause of drop prices bitcoin on: November 22, 2019, 08:32:55 PM
since the commentaire of trump on twitter before three month prices already starting falling

coincidence. the market had already topped out weeks before he made those comments. after a 350% rise this year, the market was bound to take a tumble, don't you think?

but should trump make another twitter about bitcoin but this time positive and give prices bullish trend?

quit dreaming. Wink
1904  Economy / Speculation / Re: Does the future of money lie with prepayments on: November 21, 2019, 12:13:37 PM
This is obviously offered because companies can invest the funds deposited into their own operations and generate a better interest for themselves as it was something like 10% being offered. Is this a thing that's always existed with companies or is it new?

amazon has been offering this (at least in the USA) for a few years.

it's not that they can reinvest for higher rates. it's that their margins are much higher than 10% so they can afford to give 10% off. in exchange, they get to lock in the customer's money right now.

it also works as a marketing ploy. when people feel like they're saving money, they spend more.
1905  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: [2019-10-05] Canadian crypto exchange owner vanishes as regulators close in on: November 20, 2019, 06:17:38 PM
There's a few articles out there but this one has it covered. Interstingly enough they point to Fraud from credit and debit deposits as being a large part of the issue. I don't really buy it though as you would think you would shut down most of the deposit means that were causing the fraud before it got out of hand.
https://globalnews.ca/news/6184883/bitcoin-exchange-bc-funds-missing-receiver-says/

you'd think so, but desperate companies act desperately sometimes.

it reminds me of full tilt poker in 2011. for many months, they were unable to process millions in incoming deposits, but they were crediting the deposits to player accounts to keep operations running smoothly. players figured out what was going on and started defrauding them on deposits because withdrawals were flowing fine. full tilt intended to find a payment processor who could collect all the deposits but in the meantime, the DOJ shut them down and revealed they were totally insolvent. the jig was up.

if not for pokerstars buying them out, full tilt players would have lost everything. sadly, i don't think anyone will be buying einstein exchange's toxic debt.....
1906  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Millennials Increasingly Prefer Bitcoin to Gold or Real Estate on: November 19, 2019, 07:45:22 PM
To all of the millennials here in Bitcointalk, do you also agree that Bitcoin is a much better option than gold or real estate?

bitcoin is a much higher risk / higher reward proposition. nascent and emerging markets always have much more growth potential than established markets. that's because they are more speculative and risky.

so to me, bitcoin isn't better or worse per se. it's just the best play to make if you have limited capital---the most bang for your buck in terms of potential ROI. i'd like to take some of those returns off the table in the next bull market and roll them into more conservative investments like gold and real estate. once you have more capital, it makes sense to diversify into lower risk markets.
1907  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: People’s Bank of China Announces Test Program to Limit Cash Transactions on: November 19, 2019, 07:33:39 PM
this seems to be happening all over the world as governments hedge against future liquidity crises.

it goes hand in hand with their plans to launch a central bank coin too. prevent capital flight via cash and drive the population towards a surveillance-friendly digital currency---two birds with one stone!
1908  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-11-18] Russian Intelligence FSB Linked to $450 Million in Missing Bitcoin on: November 18, 2019, 07:57:30 PM
YoBit is also a Russian based company, but I don't see them having any problems from the Russian authorities. Are they paying for protection, or just not engaging in illegal activities?

WEX (and certainly BTC-E) were much bigger, so that might be why. this is also the first we've heard of the russian authorities targeting WEX. so if the FSB is truly coming after russian operators this way, it's possible they shook down yobit and we just don't know about it.

in fact, there were some (unconfirmed) rumors that moscow police arrested yobit's owner last year. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3054442.0
1909  Economy / Speculation / Re: nrd525 Market Tracker on: November 17, 2019, 09:38:51 PM
And the China ban is back on =)  Or they probably want to do some blockchain stuff while staying away for speculation and ICOs.
https://www.coindesk.com/china-is-poised-for-another-crypto-trading-crackdown-as-speculation-returns

that's not surprising tbh. people kept painting the president's comments about "blockchain" as a huge about-face on bitcoin and cryptocurrencies and free markets. i am/was extremely skeptical about that. if anything, china is becoming increasingly anti-market and the government is actively cracking down on existing crypto markets. 

you can tell because major chinese companies are jumping in line---weibo banning posts about "blockchain" or "crypto trading" and alipay blocking bitcoin/crypto transactions. if the government were about to become bitcoin friendly, this shit wouldn't be happening.
1910  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Mt. Gox Trustee Delays Bitcoin Distribution by March on: November 17, 2019, 07:30:52 PM
my god, peter vessenes is still holding things up with his frivolous lawsuit?

as expected, the bankruptcy court saw right through his bullshit, denying his claim for billions. tbh i'm amazed the courts granted coinlab $4 million at all. and now vessenes is appealing for more---what a scumbag!

on the plus side, this means 145k bitcoins won't be recirculated into the supply yet. i assume some portion of those coins will be sold on the market once distributed, pushing prices down.
1911  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Snicker - New Privacy for Bitcoin transactions on: November 16, 2019, 08:28:58 PM
So SNICKER is definitely a step in the right direction
You are aware some elements of certain laws in the us pertain to obscuring source of ...

what is that name for?

you're referring to money laundering. that only applies to concealing the source of illegally obtained money. snicker is laundering-agnostic and requires no interaction between participants, so there is no way for the other party to question/confirm whether funds were illegally obtained. the counterparty has therefore engaged in no crime.

this is specifically different from, for example, a centralized mixer that advertises their service for money laundering.
1912  Economy / Economics / Re: Fed Ups Its Wall Street Bailout to $690 Billion a Week as Media Snoozes on: November 16, 2019, 04:20:21 AM
This is quite an alarming development on Wall St. as I sense a grand conspiracy to cover up what could be an impending crisis among financial institutions where the collapse of just one major entity could trigger a ripple effect that could lead into a major financial crisis!

In the first place, the idea of Feds giving out loans in huge sums suggest these Wall St. entities financial standing are not as healthy as it seems and I agree that this "loans" are sugarcoated term but technically, it is still a bailout meant to help these ailing companies. Imho.

it's really a sign of a crisis of confidence. banks refusing to lend to one another to meet daily liquidity requirements is exactly what was happening during the 2008 crisis. it's certainly not a bailout, but it's ominous in terms of a potential financial crisis that could lead to bailouts.
1913  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: ~80 MB transactions with 1 s/b fee were just injected into the mempool on: November 16, 2019, 03:01:01 AM
i was wondering why my 1 satoshi/byte transaction from yesterday never confirmed. there's still 79 MB in the mempool at that price!

thank goodness for RBF. it looks like i only need to bump the fee to 2 satoshi/byte. Cheesy
1914  Other / Off-topic / Re: Do you think Gavin Andresen will make a comeback? on: November 16, 2019, 02:51:52 AM
Do you think by any chance he'll make a comeback into the world of crypto? He could be real useful for making either Bitcoin or Bitcoin Cash stronger than ever before. I know that we already have many talented developers working on both projects, but Gavin is skillful and knowledgeable about Blockchain since he's been a pioneer in the industry.

i figure he's been keeping a low profile because "time heals all wounds". at some point, he will probably resurface and engage in some kind of underhanded campaign like bitcoin XT or bitcoin classic again.

he doesn't have much to add at this point. bitcoin moved beyond gavin a long time ago.
1915  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-11-12] Bitcoin Mining IPO Could be the New Gold Rush on: November 15, 2019, 11:48:55 PM
At least GPU manufacturers can treat it as a side show though I wonder what their feelings are about being encroached on so violently by a market they had no plans to cater for.

encroached on? increased demand seems like a good problem to have, even if market demand is more volatile. the 2016-17 bull market was a massive boon for companies like NVIDIA and AMD.

Also do not forget that everything does not depend on bitcoin. The risk of owning a stock would also depend on how well the Asic manufacturer's performance is as a company.

The health of the company is solely based on Bitcoin. If Bitcoin isn't going up, there is no real demand for additional mining gear. If there is no demand for additional mining gear, the company stock is worthless. Bitcoin is the center of this whole space. If it's going down, it takes the whole space with it.

that's true---if bitcoin price is consistently trending down. in that case, they are screwed no matter what. but bbc.reporter is right that a bullish bitcoin isn't enough to save a mismanaged company, especially as the manufacturing space gets increasingly competitive.

bitmain's IPO plans always felt like a cash grab to me. they are cashing out ASAP while they're still at the top.
1916  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-11-13] Crypto Space Has Shockingly Low Total Liquidity of $500 Million on: November 15, 2019, 11:22:37 PM
I have been following the volumes at messari and they have consistently dropped in the last months. Not so long ago the daily volume on messari for Bitcoin fell below $100 million, which is an absolute joke.

that's what happens during consolidations. it's especially obvious in triangles---volume is totally dead by the end. that's one of the reasons i'm pretty sure $7296 was the bottom even though things look a little grim right now. that push to $10.5k was done on massive volume, the biggest since the june top.
1917  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-11-13] Crypto Space Has Shockingly Low Total Liquidity of $500 Million on: November 15, 2019, 07:45:59 AM

Does this mean that the entire 2017 bull run was consequence of fake volume? The wild upward trend coincides with suspiciously high volume which was fake if that's what you're saying?

on the contrary, the 2017 bubble took off after the chinese exchanges turned off the volumizer bots. they did so because the government was investigating them.

the chart actually makes it look like the fake volume was keeping a lid on the price throughout 2016. probably just a coincidence though.
1918  Bitcoin / Press / Re: [2019-11-13] Crypto Space Has Shockingly Low Total Liquidity of $500 Million on: November 14, 2019, 09:59:18 PM
Perhaps it wasn't 100% clear-cut, but it was close enough for me to be convinced.  See this CoinDesk article from back in 2013.  In particular, this section:

At least the Chinese did a more convincing job of it than the current crop

huobi and okcoin were no more convincing than today's crop. people used to refer to their volume churning as "the volumizer" and everyone knew it was completely fake. on some days they did volume well into the millions of BTC on a single exchange. nobody bought that shit for a second lol. if you zoom out on the old bitcoinwisdom charts it's incredibly obvious when the volumizer was turned on and off:

1919  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: New IRS 'guidance' on: November 14, 2019, 11:20:22 AM
I think folks who think because a fork is effectively worthless the nanosecond it forks may find the tax man is unreceptive to noodling of that nature.

but that's the most obvious approach if you follow their guidance to the letter. placing value on assets where markets don't exist yet is impossible anyway.

exchanges crediting forked coins---especially cases like bitstamp crediting bitcoin cash months after the fork---are gonna yield taxable income though.
1920  Economy / Exchanges / Re: Poloniex has moved to the Seychelles on: November 13, 2019, 08:14:13 PM
Note also that if there's an issue, it's incredibly difficult to use a company in the Seychelles.

Worse than that, Poloniex's terms requires you to agree that you shall not sue them...

are you referring to a mandatory arbitration clause? i know bitfinex has such a clause. it would be extremely difficult to go after bitfinex in the british virgin islands too. i think lots of exchanges write those into the user agreement, but whether those clauses are enforceable is another matter.

shady exchanges hide in shady jurisdictions. this is one reason why people are willing to pay such high fees on coinbase and gemini.
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