Looks like the Ethereum price got just a tad bit ahead of actual value. Ethereum’s creators acknowledge these concerns, and say that developers are working hard to solve the problem. Lubin said in March that a “scalability solution” might be ready in two to three years. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-bitcoins-challenger-is-up-1100-this-year-but-is-it-ready-for-prime-time-2016-05-18So much for Bitcoin "scalepocalypse". Ethereum isn't even a permissionless or decentralized network in the first place while using PoS, but even if they try to trick people into thinking they are, they're now saying a scaling solution (which doesn't exist) will take 2-3 years. Ethereum is not "using PoS", it is entirely PoW (except the ICO). Yes they plan to switch to PoS but that is just as much vaporware as the scaling solution. You can't have it both ways. Since when are they not changing to PoS??? Last time I checked, that was their plan with the only resistance possibly being Szabo. In terms of imploding Eth, staying on PoW would be just as detrimental since they issued an IPO for the entire coin supply. It's a disaster no matter what path they take. Investors would flip out if they make an announcement saying they're going to be hyperinflating and leaking mined coins forever. Vitalik would be the new Bernanke of crypto: ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmacromon.files.wordpress.com%2F2010%2F12%2Fhelicopter-ben.jpg&t=664&c=4SKSeY0up4KISw)
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Ethereum scammers are in full desperation mode now. Nobody is buying their Eth pump so they keep doing orchestrated BTC dumps to temporarily lower BTC price, make believing that will make people want Eth instead but there are just no willing buyers for that scamcoin.
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Ethereum scammers are in full desperation mode now. Nobody is buying their Eth pump so they keep doing orchestrated BTC dumps to temporarily lower BTC price, make believing that will make people want Eth instead but there are just no willing buyers for that scamcoin.
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Ethereum scammers are in full desperation mode now. Nobody is buying their Eth pump so they keep doing orchestrated BTC dumps to temporarily lower BTC price, make believing that will make people want Eth instead but there are just no willing buyers for that scamcoin.
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Ethereum scammers are in full desperation mode now. Nobody is buying their Eth pump so they keep doing orchestrated BTC dumps to temporarily lower BTC price, make believing that will make people want Eth instead but there are just no willing buyers of that scamcoin.
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No response from the people shilling for this thing that by their own admissions, it wouldn't be useful until 2-3 years from now? (but the solution they claim doesn't even work/exist)
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buying Sterile BTC or Tokens that can not make more of themselves is Pure Speculation.
Example: It is like a farmer buying a herd of cattle that are sterile.
![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWTmqDah.jpg&t=664&c=2nwjgkpc8ylsnQ) Is it too complicated for your little r0ach brain to comprehend? The original Bitcoin founders said that your interpretation was "proof of steaks".
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buying Sterile BTC or Tokens that can not make more of themselves is Pure Speculation.
Example: It is like a farmer buying a herd of cattle that are sterile.
![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FWTmqDah.jpg&t=664&c=2nwjgkpc8ylsnQ)
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Another stake in the Eth vampire: Why proof of stake has no value:
Since Satoshi did not solve the Byzantine generals problem, this means confirmations are completely arbitrary. So why are two confirmations more useful in Bitcoin (PoW) than one? Because it's an open entropy system where over a period of time, it's either unlikely or statistically impossible for someone to maintain a monopoly on block validation when there is no upper limit to confirmations.
Recursive systems like proof of stake tend to permanently monopolize block validation by design, with no real fault or state recovery to fix it once it goes off the rails. This makes a proof of stake confirmation essentially worthless due to being a bounded entropy system.
On top of being worthless, proof of stake is also a permissioned ledger. The purpose of mining in Bitcoin is to create a permanent decentralized exchange peg, which thus results in a permissionless system.
So does it mean if the PoW continues in the Etheruem, the Etheruem will have some value? That is the same as bitcoin. If Ethereum stayed on PoW, the coin would be considered a failure since they issued an IPO for the money supply. The price would crater once they announced they'd be leaking mined coins forever after suckers investors bought all the coins vitalik created out of thin air.
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POS is crap, and I agree with him that ETH is headed for a world of hurt in the near future.
Well, it seems the above poster agrees with me about Eth, but then goes onto a made up conspiracy afterwards. I don't have an agenda besides being able to use cryptocurrency as a store of value instead of banks, meaning I only care about things that have actual fundamentals instead of mindless pump and dumps for eternity. My only interest in Bitshares was in the past when I realized Satoshi didn't solve Byzantine generals and I thought some type of workaround would be required to make cryptocurrency function in lieu of that as I discussed in this thread I made titled "Satoshi didn't solve the Byzantine generals problem": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1183043Bitshares had a built-in process for auditing block validators to deal with this deficiency, so it seemed like something that might have promise. I did not have as much of a comprehensive understanding of cryptocurrency as I do now and made a mistake in thinking proof of stake might have promise, as tons of people do all the way from Gavin Andresen to Vitalik to shady Russians like Come from Beyond. Even Anonymint has attempted to tinker with DPoS to make it work. As for now, I know that nobody has really done anything to actually address the Byzantine generals problem, which Anonymint and I agree is likely unsolvable in cryptocurrency (probably Fuserleer too in relation to CAP theorem), and this is my current standing to relevant cryptocurrency methods: Why proof of stake has no value:
Since Satoshi did not solve the Byzantine generals problem, this means confirmations are completely arbitrary. So why are two confirmations more useful in Bitcoin (PoW) than one? Because it's an open entropy system where over a period of time, it's either unlikely or statistically impossible for someone to maintain a monopoly on block validation when there is no upper limit to confirmations.
Recursive systems like proof of stake tend to permanently monopolize block validation by design, with no real fault or state recovery to fix it once it goes off the rails. This makes a proof of stake confirmation essentially worthless due to being a bounded entropy system.
On top of being worthless, proof of stake is also a permissioned ledger since the purpose of mining in Bitcoin is to create a permanent decentralized exchange peg, which thus results in a permissionless system.
p.s - the quote from "bl234st" in your original thread is likely the lunatic known as "nogano", a child that sells marijuana seeds on the internet that I have the constant misfortune of running into.
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Looks like the Ethereum price got just a tad bit ahead of actual value. Ethereum’s creators acknowledge these concerns, and say that developers are working hard to solve the problem. Lubin said in March that a “scalability solution” might be ready in two to three years. http://www.marketwatch.com/story/this-bitcoins-challenger-is-up-1100-this-year-but-is-it-ready-for-prime-time-2016-05-18So much for Bitcoin "scalepocalypse". Ethereum isn't even a permissionless or decentralized network in the first place while using PoS, but even if they try to trick people into thinking they are, they're now saying a scaling solution (which doesn't exist) will take 2-3 years. My estimate for what capacity Bitcoin needs to act as a checkbook type device for large value transactions with market penetration in middle/upper middle class first world nations is around 8 MB blocks. After Segwit + the 2017 hard fork, Bitcoin will have around half of that, but it will also have payment channels due to segwit. 3-4 MB blocks + payment channels will likely give far more capacity than just plain 8 MB blocks, so Bitcoin will already be good enough to do it's job as a worldwide currency.
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A reddit submission by some guy that holds 10 eth.
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The Stoat spam has decreased a lot after that Eth double top and beginning of dump.
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Globalization makes the overpopulation problem of one country turn into everyone's problem as they use global labor arbitrage to reduce your standard of living. If you want China to not be the marginal cost king and plummet your own standard of living, you would both need to use the same currency so they can't devalue to increase exports as a first step.
Then the next step is entirely ideological based. If you're a crazed anarchist, you would believe in free trade. If you're a nationalist that believes in some form of govt, you would likely issue tariffs to prevent the manufacturing base of your country from being gutted since the one thing every 3rd world nation has in common is no manufacturing base.
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[...]Lisk, IOTA, Ethereum, and Waves are all permissioned ledger IPO cash grab scams. [...]
Normally you don't omit the word "russian" when you copy-paste your rantings. Did you do it on purpose because your level of xenophobia has decreased or was it just the haste? I view Russians more as vodka salesmen comedians that really like Adidas tracksuits than any type of "phobia".
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The only answer is tariffs or war, pick one.
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I've already addressed the bullshit "china syndrome" posts before: The marginal cost over time of Bitcoin shows an ever increasing percent being energy costs. This means sha256d will likely be commoditized. There is no Chinese monopoly after that happens. Of course, China being the top producers of Bitcoin isn't even a Bitcoin problem in the first place. It's a symptom of China controlling manufacturing for everything on earth as corporations use their slaves for global labor arbitrage.
This problem will also cease to exist either through tariffs or war. US has already placed huge tariffs on China steel. Next, every country will place huge tariffs on everything else coming out of China.
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what exactly is your problem with ETH? I get that you say its manipulated but that shouldn't be a problem as all crypto's are manipulated. I don't know a lot about ETH but my favourite guy to listen to about crypto is Andreas Antonopoulos, who likes and owns ETH, and that guy is very smart and very honest.
I'm not thinking about buying ETH but I'm interested in your reasoning (in laymans turms please)
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Besides Eth's other issues, just wrote a post on that subject that's relevant to all proof of stake systems: Why proof of stake has no value:
Since Satoshi did not solve the Byzantine generals problem, this means confirmations are completely arbitrary. So why are two confirmations more useful in Bitcoin (PoW) than one? Because it's an open entropy system where over a period of time, it's either unlikely or statistically impossible for someone to maintain a monopoly on block validation when there is no upper limit to confirmations.
Recursive systems like proof of stake tend to permanently monopolize block validation by design, with no real fault or state recovery to fix it once it goes off the rails. This makes a proof of stake confirmation essentially worthless due to being a bounded entropy system.
On top of being worthless, proof of stake is also a permissioned ledger. The purpose of mining in Bitcoin is to create a permanent decentralized exchange peg, which thus results in a permissionless system.
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