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1901  Other / Off-topic / Re: Butterfly Labs invests heavily in high speed production equipment on: October 06, 2012, 11:47:20 PM
Have you tried to actually do this before? From the way your talking to me, either you have done it and it failed (for some reason?) or you haven't and aren't willing to try.

Yes, yes we have.  There is no amount of proof or information that will satisfy people.  Keep reading as to why.

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I only know that one of your former products allegedly under performed and didn't live up to expectations. So I understand that angst in "these people". Beyond that, considering you have actually delivered products before to a market....why do you guys have such an incredibly bad reputation? Your company suffers from a very bad image seemingly beyond that bad product launch.

Yes, one of the first FPGA products out, before people understood the unique requirements that bitcoin puts on integrated circuits that you don't find in basically any other industry.

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People are doubting that you guys are even a legitimate company. Why don't you hire someone to do the PR work to turn it around? Or at least provide the contradictory evidence that forces naysayers to back down?

Just like they doubted it before, but low and behold, here we are.  We are even shipping thousands of products and people still doubt it.  So no, no amount of "proof" would be enough.

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The people behind Avalon seem to have also delivered products to market as you have. They don't face anywhere near the same scrutiny and PR problems that your company does. Why is that? You might have a ton of orders but anytime anything [even tiny things] goes wrong it will just add to the bad PR.

Because their marketshare is about 1% of ours.  It's easy to make everyone happy when you are dealing in small quantities of orders.

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Don't get mad, hire some professional, figure out what you can do to clean up that pervasive image of your company and solicit the help of forums Admins to intervene if someone says something which is verifiably false.

So here's where you really go wrong in your assumptions.  There is no amount of PR that will satisfy the people on these forums.  Nothing.  They like to troll, no matter what the occasion.  It's like a national pastime.  The forum admins will not (and nor should they) intervene when someone says something verifiably false, because that would cut the forum chatter down to a mere trickle.  Most people posting the conspiracy theories or all the negativity are posting verifiably false information.  You can go and point out where every single point someone makes is false, show them complete documentations as to why it's false, give them mathematical proofs that are undisputed the world over, but it makes no difference.  

There is very little point in engaging with the Bitcoin Talk community, unless it's for entertainment value.  The signal to noise ratio and troll to user ratio is so extreme as to make it virtually useless.

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Your company [BFL] looks like it has a lot more business and orders in its pipeline than any other. But after reading through the community your bad PR has "scared me away" from placing an order. If too many people are saying there is something wrong, then there is probably something to it. <---That is the pervasive impression I got.

Totally understandable from reading these forums.  As I said, if you get anything but entertainment value from the forums you are being mislead.

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Imagine that, I am going to buy from some company in CHINA...than feel confident in a company closer to home. That is the state of things from my corner.

We'll be glad to sell you a profitable product when your new instantly unprofitable one shows up and you decide it's not worth your time to pay more in electricity than it earns, just let us know.

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To someone whom is seeing and reading that inundation of bad PR [whether it be true or actually very false and baseless], what does a lifetime of warranty and higher performance rating actually mean if most everyone is constantly hammering on about how many bad points BFL has? You would have to either own BFL hardware and by virtue of experience know of the reliability OR trust in what others have said.

Exactly.  The signal to noise ratio is to high here, you can't make an accurate assessment of the situation.  However, the vast majority of the people who own BFL products are very happy with them.  Strange, that would surely be, if what your read on these forums is true, no?  

Beside, everyone loves to hate on the "king of the hill" as it were.

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It makes it feel more like "a gamble" with 1.3k (or equivalent bitcoins) than it really should be. I want to buy from your company what I need for mining. But damn, considering what has been the focus of things, it makes it feel much more risky than it actually probably is.

Then stop reading these forums, because you won't get any actual content unless you know how to sift through the garbage and 99% of it is garbage.  Good luck.

When you sift through all the crap, here's the crux of the problem people have with BFL:

BFL won't tell it's secrets. BFL is not open about everything they do.  In no other industry would this be considered abnormal... but here apparently keeping trade secrets is a cardinal sin.  Well, when you're talking about millions of dollars of investment at risk for revealing those secrets, well then, it's just too bad.  

People just HATE the fact that we seem to be able to do things no one else can with our hardware (even now, our FPGA miners are the fastest, cheapest mining devices available.).  The ASICs only make this even more pronounced and that makes people crazy because we won't reveal the magic behind it. (It's unicorn blood, BTW).




1902  Other / Off-topic / Re: Butterfly Labs invests heavily in high speed production equipment on: October 06, 2012, 10:01:06 PM
Yes, for two weeks, starting three weeks ago.
1903  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Nefario on: October 06, 2012, 10:00:04 PM

And they often enforce it too with physical force Sad

That's the really annoying part.

If they win, doesn't that de facto imply that they actually have jurisdiction over the entire planet?  If you are able to project force into a domain and maintain it, you by definition have jurisdiction over it.
1904  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin is centralised on: October 06, 2012, 09:52:02 PM
I rest my case.

PS - You probably wern't babbling like an idiot in London, thus I communicated with you as an adult.  You speak like a child on the forums, you get treated like one.

1905  Other / Off-topic / Re: Butterfly Labs invests heavily in high speed production equipment on: October 06, 2012, 09:47:26 PM
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They could kill tons of rumors just with that alone. (Please include any Exif Data and original file names!)

You must be new here, so let me answer this for you:  No it wouldn't.
1906  Economy / Services / Re: [WTB] Frontend setup for eloipool on: October 06, 2012, 09:35:25 PM
Wizstats isn't a front end and Simplecoin never worked quite right to begin with and was full of security holes.  There's a reason people aren't using it or if there is a pool or two still using it, it's so modified from it's original form as to be almost unrecognizable.

As I said, if you want a proper front end, you will have to write it yourself or be prepared to spend a lot of money.

1907  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Do you think that there is something funny about BFL's new ASIC on: October 06, 2012, 09:16:01 PM
they are literally sitting on a gold mine, that IP is going to be very closely guarded
A hardware SHA256 processor isn't exactly rocket science... the fact that they give no updates really smells IMHO.

Yes, rocket science is actually much easier. 

I look forward to your ASIC mining device you will be selling soon, right?  Cause.. you know, it's easy.
1908  Economy / Services / Re: [WTB] Frontend setup for eloipool on: October 06, 2012, 09:14:51 PM
Get what one to work?
1909  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] BFLS - Bitcoin Mining & Sales on: October 06, 2012, 09:14:17 PM
Ok, so I'm just as in the dark as everyone else with regards to GLBSE, but here is how I am going to handle the BFLS and BFLS.RIG.  Fortunately, since BFLS and BFLS.RIG were never designed as a security, bond or anything of the sort things are fairly easy.  GLBSE was a way for me to handle payments being divided up easily among a number of owners of the BFL hardware - this means I can pretty easily make the transition away from GLBSE.  BFLS and BFLS.RIG has always been a way for us to split the costs of purchasing a single or a minirig, so it's not really a hindrance, as I made no profit on shares traded, etc... and thus have no accounting to worry about as far as that goes.

What  you need to do:

Send me an email with the subject beginning: GLBSE:

In that email include the following:

Your GLBSE user name
Number of shares you hold of both BFLS and BFLS.RIG
BTC Payment address

Obviously, I will need to verify that information with the GLBSE records, assuming they are forthcoming as potentially promised.  Once that information is verified, I will include you in the payout rotations.  I will be withholding payouts temporarily to unverified shares/shareholders until they can be verified.

BFLS and BFLS.RIG will be combined into one payment, and BFLS "shares" will be converted into BFLS.RIG "shares" at a rate of 1.21:1, so for every 1.21 "shares" of BFLS you own, you will get 1 "share" of BFLS.RIG - this is because the monetary value of BFLS.RIG is slightly more than BFLS.  This actually works out well, as I was intending to upgrade the singles to an ASIC minirig anyway, doing away with BFLS all together. 

I will continue with the Sunday night payouts, but they will be sent directly to your wallet going forwards.  I had a substantial chunk of funds in GLBSE for payouts when it went down, so here's to hoping it's recoverable. 
1910  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] BFLS.RIG - BFL Hardware mining & Sales on: October 06, 2012, 09:13:13 PM
Ok, so I'm just as in the dark as everyone else with regards to GLBSE, but here is how I am going to handle the BFLS and BFLS.RIG.  Fortunately, since BFLS and BFLS.RIG were never designed as a security, bond or anything of the sort things are fairly easy.  GLBSE was a way for me to handle payments being divided up easily among a number of owners of the BFL hardware - this means I can pretty easily make the transition away from GLBSE.  BFLS and BFLS.RIG has always been a way for us to split the costs of purchasing a single or a minirig, so it's not really a hindrance, as I made no profit on shares traded, etc... and thus have no accounting to worry about as far as that goes.

What  you need to do:

Send me an email with the subject beginning: GLBSE:

In that email include the following:

Your GLBSE user name
Number of shares you hold of both BFLS and BFLS.RIG
BTC Payment address

Obviously, I will need to verify that information with the GLBSE records, assuming they are forthcoming as potentially promised.  Once that information is verified, I will include you in the payout rotations.  I will be withholding payouts temporarily to unverified shares/shareholders until they can be verified.

BFLS and BFLS.RIG will be combined into one payment, and BFLS "shares" will be converted into BFLS.RIG "shares" at a rate of 1.21:1, so for every 1.21 "shares" of BFLS you own, you will get 1 "share" of BFLS.RIG - this is because the monetary value of BFLS.RIG is slightly more than BFLS.  This actually works out well, as I was intending to upgrade the singles to an ASIC minirig anyway, doing away with BFLS all together. 

I will continue with the Sunday night payouts, but they will be sent directly to your wallet going forwards.  I had a substantial chunk of funds in GLBSE for payouts when it went down, so here's to hoping it's recoverable. 
1911  Economy / Services / Re: [WTB] Frontend setup for eloipool on: October 06, 2012, 08:40:24 PM
Sure, if you've got about 5000 BTC lying around you aren't using.  Other than that, it's probably not going to happen.  All of the working, quality front ends are custom programming.

1912  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [2000 GH/s] EMC: No Fee/PPS/DGM/Dwolla Payout/SMS/Yubikey/GBT/Vardiff on: October 06, 2012, 03:30:44 PM
Yes, US2 and 3 were down.  I will be moving at least one of those servers to a different data center ASAP.  They are both back up now and should be ok. 
1913  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] BFLS.RIG - BFL Hardware mining & Sales on: October 06, 2012, 02:32:21 PM
I just found out about GLBSE closing so I don't have any info right now.  I will make a post here once I have more information and get everyone taken care of.
1914  Economy / Securities / Re: [GLBSE] BFLS - Bitcoin Mining & Sales on: October 06, 2012, 02:31:32 PM
I will post here when I have more information on the situation.  I'm afraid I don't know anything more than anyone else and I just found out about GLBSE closing for good, so I'll work through the issues and get everyone squared away ASAP. 
1915  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: bitcoin is centralised on: October 05, 2012, 11:47:52 PM
But if you want people to take you seriously, proper spelling, grammar, capitalization and punctuation are important.  Otherwise you just look like a troll or tween trying to text.

It's one of the primary reasons I have never taken you seriously.  You write "u,", "ur" and "lol" and you can't take the time to communicate in a respectful manner, as such, you get exactly what you give: No respect.  Your message is loses most of it's impact.

1916  Other / Off-topic / Re: Butterfly Labs invests heavily in high speed production equipment on: October 05, 2012, 11:19:33 PM
Email office@butterflylabs.com.  We get hundreds of emails per day, sometimes I can take awhile to get to yours if it's been a particularly heavy day. 

(Yes, we get ~400 emails per day on average, sometimes much more than that)

1917  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: Tx fees going up. What is zero fee mining? What is fair pay? on: October 05, 2012, 10:53:41 PM
Yeah, but did you include the other 2000 blocks that have a fee in your calculations? Smiley

1918  Other / Off-topic / Re: Butterfly Labs invests heavily in high speed production equipment on: October 05, 2012, 10:41:36 PM
Ummm, BFL isn't selling the items?
1919  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: What are the chances Bfl. Basic. Avalon. Etc use the same gear? on: October 05, 2012, 10:36:50 PM
Quickly?  We've been working on it for months...  I'd have to look at the exact date but I want to say we started around March or April.
1920  Bitcoin / Pools / Re: [2000 GH/s] EMC: No Fee/PPS/DGM/Dwolla Payout/SMS/Yubikey/GBT/Vardiff on: October 05, 2012, 10:20:28 PM
Yeah, this is probably one of the worst weeks yet.  I'm  checking to make sure nothing is broken, but I think it's just a function of the difficulty being at an all time high and craptacular luck.  Higher difficulty seems to magnify bad luck as a perceptive device.
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