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19501  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: I have found a wallet with 40 BTC on: February 24, 2017, 02:49:03 AM
i think if he can give the proof that he own the wallet with 40 btc, maybe we can believe and we can helped him to transfer the amount into other wallet. but if he only tells us that he own the wallet, then its hard to believe it because i don't think that the wallet is really have 40 btc inside and if its true, then he is the one of the richest man for now.
19502  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Are you Rich from Gambling? on: February 24, 2017, 02:37:46 AM
No I am not rich yet from gambling but I am hoping I will hit the lottery jackpot so that I will be rich from gambling.  I doubt I can rich just by sportsbetting or playing dice or poker.  I have a very low bankroll and all I need is the lottery Jackpot for the millionaire thing.

There is really no wrong in wishing to win in the lottery - it is fine. However, your chances of winning in sportsbetting, dice, and playing poker, is more than winning in the lottery.
That's normal because you can't win as big as the reward in the lottery, actually you can also make your sports betting as lottery likes by doing a many legs parlay that would give a payout which will satisfy you. The more legs to put in a parlay would mean the chances of winning is lessen while the reward is getting higher, it's up to you but it's more fun to do it in sports as you can analyze it prior.

this could be possible if we have the right info about each of team on the match on sports betting, but if we only buy lottery jackpot then our chances is small depend on sports betting so maybe we only trying to place a bet in sports betting. but for being curious in lottery jackport, i think its good to try but we should consider its just a games.
19503  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Why trading is better than gambling? on: February 24, 2017, 02:33:08 AM
Hey! guys i need your opinion and help because i didn't know about this trading thing i only know about how you can earn bitcoin by gambling but still my friend told me that gambling is not the way to earn bitcoin but if you try trading you will earn much profit why is that so guys? trading is better than bitcoin? how? why? where to find that trading thing?
For not deep in gambling of course Trading is better than gambling, but to those gambler who are addicted in gambling site for them gambling is better than bitcoin. In my side trading is really one of the best putting our investment.

Yeah, it really depends on the person whether he likes gambling than trading. If the guy is addicted to gambling already, then we have a problem with that since he'll most likely gamble all the way and not care about money. If you are talking about earning money, then hands down trading is better. No one earns from gambling but the casino and its investors.

i am choose doing trading too than playing gambling to make money and i think doing trading is not difficult as long as we want to learn about trading and with some practice, i am sure that we can do better in trading and we can make money although for the first time and the second is not much money, but in the end, we can make big money from trading.
19504  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Discussion (Altcoins) / Re: Is it worth it investing in cloudmining at the moment? on: February 24, 2017, 02:23:38 AM
Ah nope try using a calculator and compute how you will be earning in your contract with the cloud mining you are in then you'll know that its not profitable.
With the increasing difficulty in bitcoin mining that is solving some computer algorithms to get bitcoin has become rather hard.
If you dont want to lose your money in this investment site, i suggest dont try it.
what about those that claim they are getting profits from genesys and hashflare, scammers?

i think its true because this is what i am get from genesis after i am making investing with them but i need almost one year before i can take my roi. to make investing in cloud mining is worth but you need to thinking about the long time that you can reach your roi and you should be patience for this. if you can patience, so you are fine but you need to choose the legit cloud mining.
19505  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin to 1400 on: February 24, 2017, 02:16:06 AM
I don't think we will cross $1200, there is a limit to where a pure hype can take us. We will have 3 weeks of energized bullish trend and it all end March 11.
The most possible scenario: ETF won't be accepted (so far there is only 25% chance for SEC approval) and we most likely will see some draconian regulations coming from China.
Bitcoin won't reach $1400 because of that, definitely not within a month. Maybe later this year.

50/50 on bitmex. Maybe some insider trading is going on or there's a trap waiting. I don't think the price will drop below ~$900 +- $50, It could drop 90% or more as it previously has.

i see in the market, then after the price is reach $115x, the price is getting changing too much and its up and down for many times. so we should only wait to see how much the price will be up or down. and if you said that we have 3 weeks then i think the price will around from the range 1100-1199, right? hm i think its good for us to trying to make a profit from this.

19506  Economy / Economics / Re: Difference of Trading and Investing? on: February 24, 2017, 02:06:59 AM
Guys sorry for this question above but I would like to ask here that

What is the difference of Trading to Investing?

though I know that I can search it in google but I want an answer from those people who have already experienced this two.
Thank you.

I hope you can help me in my confusion..

Trading is exchanging things with someone else too get a profit out of it. For example I trade a piece of wood for a lighter so I can start a fire.
Investing is putting your money in something like Facebook and you wait for the worth to rise before you have a profit.

well, technically you can consider trading as an investment too.
when you are trading, you invest in facebook (stock) or something like bitcoin and when it is worth more you sell it or part of it to make profit then buy (invest) when it is low again.

i think its not the same with ordinary trading because i think its called investment and we are not going to sell when the price is not high and we are considering to keep in for long term. in trading, i think we doing buy and sell for short term but if the conditions is like now where the altcoin is getting down, then we have two option which is sell or still hold for a while and wait the increase price soon.
19507  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How do you know when to stop? on: February 24, 2017, 02:04:24 AM
When do you stop? Do you have a daily limit or something?

Yes of course, you must have a limitation to your bankroll while doing gamble in the game, whether you win or loss once the limits has been reach then stop, do it on the next day again.

limitation can help us to avoid getting more loss in gambling games so we still have money for another playing and we should obey our rule and we should leave the sites as soon as possible. i am practicing to use limitation so far and i think its works fine for me and i hope i can continue doing this so i can controlled myself in gambling games.
19508  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Dice game strategy? on: February 24, 2017, 02:00:28 AM
That's right, there is no way to play a dice game with the odds being 50/50. The house make a profit by getting a "fee" in addition to their 49% of the winnings. Sometimes we get lucky but most people lose money. I have had long winning streaks but then the next day I will have a long losing streak and lose everything I gained the previous day.

Even though the odds are against us, I still like playing dice games. I like that we have a chance to win even though we may still lose. The key is to not let it get out of hand. I don't bet with more than I can afford to lose.
That is the basic rule you have to follow if you want to last, gambling is not easy as we think that we can get money and consider this as a source of our income. We have to think that the best way is the safest way, and that is to play it for fun only. Since there is no strategy that would work in the long run, you will never get success if you stick with your intention to be profitable.

By doing gamble in the gambling sites, we need to be careful anyhow, because if become careless no wonder in the end we might lose more of it. And nothing difference even I transfer in other gambling site where to play with because every house edge are most preferred to protect the market, just Important is if you play dice whatever amount you bet if loose double your bet in the next round until you win, then back on the basic bet amount you started.

In short, we should always remember and bear in our minds that gambling is design for the casino owners to win because that is their business and you cannot stay long in the business if you are not earning any profit at all.

Off course all casino owner would like to a make a more and more profit for them only and they are not interesting to distribute their money to gamblers. If one understand this basic concept then gamblers will not spend more money in gambling to win bigger amount or to become rich fast. If one play longer period than losses chances are more than winning so should gamble once in awhile for short time to enjoy our free time.

this is why they build casino and if they get success from one sites, then they will build another one so they can have more profit from many sites. i think if we can see this, its a good idea for us to follow the house and make investing to them so we can take a profit too with them although we can not get the profit in short time but its really worth to try.
19509  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do you estimate the value increase of bitcoin? on: February 24, 2017, 01:45:59 AM
and i think its not easy to predict the increase or decrease the price in short time because no one will now about this but we only know from the trend, is up or down but for the price, we can not do with the right price. i think its better for us to doing our research to find the best clue for us that will help us to find the right price.


Bitcoin price is not fixed. The price of bitcoin has a high fluctuating structure.
Can you predict the increase or decrease in bitcoin price?

The simple answer has to be patience because even if the price is not as per your need then you can wait. I had some bitcoins last year and I thought I will have to sell them at a little loss but I shown a little patience and now I sold them making good profits.

you get the good result for your patience so you can make high profit from bitcoin and this is our lesson to be patience for now and we should saving more bitcoin to get profit like you.
19510  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading in Bittrex.com on: February 24, 2017, 01:26:58 AM
WHAT do to start trading on the websit bittrex bitcoin to go to find out more profit for every day please explain, whether by forming a team we can share for prediction of coin in every day for purchases and sales and if there is a solution other than that friend,
While searching you may find so called altcoin gurus, groups, pump group but don't follow whatever they claim. Do your own research before investing in any alts. Crypto related twitter accounts, facebook groups, altcoin discussion/speculation board of this forum is also good place to get latest update regarding altcoin market.

Don't buy coins that didn't had much volume in past few months and suddenly it is pumping/dumping in last 24/48 hour.

i am agree with this, its a good for us make our own research because we can not depend on other people to reach our goals, maybe we can read the info and after we know the point, then making research is a must that we should do. beside that, don't be 100% believe from many news in out there because not all of the news is really and you need to find out in other source so you can get more info.
19511  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you care about bonuses on btc casino ? on: February 24, 2017, 01:21:52 AM
In think if you willing to lose money gambling then you may as well go all out and maximize your prize by taking advantage of the many bonuses available to you from varies casinoes.

Some bonuses are fun such as free spins or even free bets. Some you do not even have to deposit bitcoins with. Those are my favourite. Introductory bonuses for new casinoes are usually good too.

getting bonuses is a good for new people which come into gambling site as they can trying to playing gambling and they can getting new experience in gambling games. i considering this is the other fun parts that we can get from gambling games and if after we've played, we are getting loss all bonuses, then maybe we can get more free money so we can continue to playing gambling.
19512  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoins Everywhere? Not yet... on: February 24, 2017, 01:15:11 AM
Most of the members consider bitcoin as major currency of future. Let us assume that it will be accomplished one day, but before that, I wonder which spheres of our everyday life will adapt bitcoin first?

Of course since bitcoin is an online opportunities to anyone, all online business will be shift into bitcoin, from marketing online, shopping online, online banking and others will massively adapted by it.

i am sure that in future we can see this after bitcoin getting approve from the government but until that time, we only use bitcoin for another purpose like doing trading for example. and i think if we do this from now on, then we can prepare ourself before we can see bitcoin is available in every where.
19513  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Alt coins worth buying on: February 24, 2017, 01:08:31 AM
Nebium , GAME and NEM!

NEM, definitely, is the best blockchain project and the recent Chinese CERT report, auditing 25 blockchain projects, proves it. I discovered NEM last year and from that time it is my favourite in blockchain industry. I'm kind of dissapointed that Ripple having millions of funds are worst blockchain on the scene. At the same time it is positioned as the most used blockchain for international transfers.

I'm starting to see NEM as another alt coin that is worth to buy and to invest. And upon checking with coin market cap it's on the number 9 spot and its chart shows a very good progress from down hill, now to uphill. I will now add NEM to my list and will know more about this alt coin.

i am thinking the same as i see the NEM price is not going too far and the dev still make good movement for their project. i think this could be a worth altcoin for buying and we need to keep for a while and after btc rally is finish, i think its the time for altcoin especially for NEM to getting new place in the price.
19514  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Investing in casinos on: February 24, 2017, 01:02:30 AM
it's not good to put all eggs into one basket. Because you need to maximize your bitcoins to get good profit from it. And if you are going to look on that way of investing you should relay on some experts on this type of investment like the thread that I gave. The higher amount you'll invest, the higher return will possible get back on you.
If you are going to put all your investment in one place so you will remain restricted and there will be more chance to lose most of your by investing your all money in one place.

But if you are going to  invest  your  money in different places so if your one investment goes there are more chance that your other investment will increase. So, it will be good decision to invest your money in different places.

i think its better to spread our investment because we don't know the gambling site will be online until how long and if the bad thing is happen, then we still have another investment. to avoid this, we need to make research about the good gambling site so we can stay safe while our investment is running.
19515  Economy / Speculation / Re: Breaking: Bitcoin OFFICIALLY breaks ATH on: February 23, 2017, 08:17:49 PM
Congratulations guys and gals. Bitcoin is almost getting to $10k like some of you wanted.
$10k would be awesome price, but i don't think we'll see that kinda price soon. what we're going to see soon is pump to $1500+.

its too soon to said that we can reach $10k fast because we need to break barrier of $2xxx before we can reach the next price and of course we need waiting for the moment its come but as many of us is believe that bitcoin price soon will break the barrier, so before we increase more, we need to reach $1200 first and if we can break in short time, then the chance to reach $1500 is not too long before we reach $2xxx.
19516  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Does experience matter in gambling? on: February 23, 2017, 08:12:57 PM
Experience does not matter in gambling and in fact experience gives even more loss compared to a new gambler in my opinion as you can see that when a gambler is new he/she wins a lot while with time in long term they always loose.

If you talking about game such a dice, that probably happens because he/she (newbie) have more luck.

It's different story if that newbie haven't experience playing game such a poker, sportbetting which the game required skill and experience too.

we need experience before we could be a pro gamblers because with experience, we can learn many thing that we know like if we are in one situations and we already seen this, we can make fast solution so if something bad is happen, we have another way to cover it and if we have loss, our loses its not too much and we can continue the games.
19517  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: What Is Your Worst Moment in Gambling? on: February 23, 2017, 08:01:46 PM
My new the worst moment in gambling is yesterday when I losted 0.5 btc on roulette because I was so stupid ,i comed from 0.1 to 0.5 btc and i was going all in on red beccause it was valentine couple days ago so i was thinking that they will give me my red but black comed pff.
it is your greed problem. 0.5 BTC is huge amount almost $500+. Seriously you don't have control in your play. I will not bet 0.05 BTC in a single bet, but you made 0.5 BTC bet you are great. I don't have that many guts to play. But this is a very bad move for you. You will lose some more money in gambling. So control your mind and don't play all in ever.
I Agree , that move is a very wrong betting style ,Anyone who can see you betting all in will say you are in greed of winnings .
0.5 to go all in is a big lose ,But the point is if you learn from it ,if not better to stop gambling if you can't control yourself but if you can much better if you win again you are surely happy having even a small amount won .
A piece of advice Don't/Never Go All In .
Going all in wouldnt really be advisable but there are people do really like to see or know fast results which they cant afford to play on longer times and they do want to play all in but we all know chances of lossing is very high and those amounts will surely gone if your not lucky enough.

place a bet for all in is only make us to getting quick loss if we don't have a better luck in gambling games and what we can do after the loses come is we are stop to quickly and we can not continue to playing gambling except we have another money that we can use to stay with the games. all in all, its not good if we make all in gambling games and we do not know if we are the next winner or not so its better to play safe and not risk all of our money.
19518  Economy / Speculation / Re: BREAKING: All time high has been achieved! on: February 23, 2017, 07:57:55 PM
That's right, bitcoin broke it's record of all the time. The next point is going to be 1200$. Bitcoin's temps of grow don't stop to surprise. But I expect some new fall will fallow, cause of it's normal thing for bitcoin.

i am agree that next price that we should reach is $1200 but we need more time before we can see that price. but i think like Taki said, there is always a correction for the price before its increase soon so its better for us to still follow the market and make profit from the different price. but i hope the fall is not to deep because if this is happen, then the price is getting hard to reach $12xx and we need to wait more longer.
19519  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling and betting?? on: February 23, 2017, 07:49:32 PM
Betting/sports betting have little risk than gambling but you may have to wait for few hours till you can see the result/outcome from your bet in sports betting.

Gambling is riskier but in short period of time you can multiply your bankroll if you turn out to be lucky. Sports betting is better for those who have in depth knowledge about games and gambling is good for the one who like to get instant result and multiply their coins in one roll.  Cheesy

Betting or gambling is both risky and how can you determine and identify that they are actually different? For me they are just the same and it's up to you on how you are going to say what is the best / better. Whatever you do as long as you are betting your money or gambling it for real, it's actually the same guys.
Its actually the same and im confused why people do really compare this thing and until now they keep asking on this matter and this topic is already been discussed before as far as I remember. You will need to bet for you to able to gamble and which means its part of gambling.

maybe the same thing between gambling and betting is both using money to place a bet, but its different games that we can play. gambling is something that we can play without doing much of setting and betting is something that we should make some analysis to place a bet. and the other thing is in betting we should know about the team and we have to make good analysis to win the games.
Regardless on how you think, that is all gambling. We bet because we are gambling and that involves money in order to gamble. We have different interest in games in gambling but we have the same purpose, which is to have fun and make money at the same time. But as what we have experience, that is not easy to achieve as we stay we are getting more fun but the amount we spent was accumulated into a bigger loses already.

yup i know that, we involves money but we don't have to get big risk as we can place a small bet and we can do it over a time and although the winning chance is not predictable, we can still thinking that playing gambling is just for fun and not about making big money because
19520  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: is gambling worth to try for newbie? on: February 23, 2017, 07:42:17 PM
Everyone was newbie when they started learning something, but they can choose to learn in easy way or hard way Roll Eyes
In this case, i think gambling isn't worth to try for newbie considering the risks of losing money and addiction, i think they shouldn't gambling with real money but only for fun/learning purposes.

If you think so, for me it's not that bad and its worth it for newbies to try out gambling but it's better if they are guided by an expert gambler or a person that is already in gambling industry for a longer time. As long they can afford to lose the money that they are going to gamble and they are willing for it, I guess there's no problem for it.

There is a bunch of speculation on how much money would be made with Gambling and the conclusion is usually that there isn't a right answer. People could win and lose if they make the slightest mistake when betting against something.

If you are looking to get into Gambling, I would suggest that you research the type of Gambling it is first. For example; in E-Sports, looking up the type of game the players are involved in is an easier method of winning a bunch of money. The concept is pretty simple to grasp if you realize the things that is within your screen.

There is also a 77% chance of losing, so be ready for that.

Yes playing your specialty like betting in sports for a newbie is good. But we know that newbies wanted to try things out of their curiosity. I just don't get it where you got that 77% of chance of losing. I don't even know how to measure the chances of winning and for a newbie we know that higher chance of losing is there.
There are some games that actually high chance of losing like slots game or any automated system or program.. like dice game slots.. unless if you are gamble in real and live games.. like like you mention sports betting is one of the good place where we can gamble that has higher chance to win. than the other games.

Though it is not advisable to do gambling if we wanted to earn more or make our bitcoin bigger. Gambling is not the first option but if you think you have the luck with you then you can try it. But make your playing fun too so no regret in the end.Then try also investing and trading.

but don't be too greedy when you think that you are win some of games because when you get too greedy then you need to careful because in the end you can only get loss of your money. i think for newbie, you can try playing gambling and its worth for you but you need to make a rule for your self or make limitation how long you can stay in gambling site and what should you do if you only get loss so you can quit as soon as possible if you getting loss.
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