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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is ripple about to blow off as the next big thing ? on: August 27, 2017, 06:29:12 AM
I think ripple may be trading above $10 before the end of this year. Many people are becoming interested in ripple today because of the beauty of the technology. Hope ripple announcement of big thing should influence the price positively and we would see the price pump till we get to $10 before the end of the year. Like others popular coins we expect this coin to keep compete with others serious altcoins.

I agreed with you something good is coming with ripples..  lets hope for the best keep hold and HODL

I`m talking about ripple and I`m buying ripple. Now I have some nice amount of ripple, will it blow off I don`t know, but if it happens I`m ready and I have some on a side. Ripple is good coin, with active community, this is not first thread about ripple going up. Many coins will increase their value in the future, which coin will be the next big thing is hard to say, I have few favorites and ripple is sure one of the favorites.
If ripple come to 10$ before the end of the year, that will be great, in that case I think ripple can go even higher in next couple years. I don`t like to repeat myself but I`m a long term ripple holders so I wait, and we will see what will happen.

Ripple has two things, The Ripple Network & XRP.

XRP is a cryptocurrency, and NO one uses it.

Ripple network is what is being massively adopted, and is simply the removal of oversight for money laundering and such.
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Is ripple about to blow off as the next big thing ? on: August 23, 2017, 11:54:00 PM
Ripple is not a coin. And XRP isn't used by anyone. They are two separate networks.

NO ONE seems to understand this... I've written two articles that will help people understand. Part 1 is here.

I blame Ripple the company itself for all the misunderstandings.
23  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: IRS Now Has a Tool to Unmask Bitcoin Tax Cheats on: August 22, 2017, 10:37:38 PM
They're not going anywhere with this. It's only a prevention tool that was developed to make people scared and start thinking about paying their crypto taxes.
I wonder why they're so interested in BTC but not altcoins. I'm pretty sure that if bitcoiners aren't paying their taxes altcoiners aren't doing it either.
Also, I'd like to see the IRS sweat while deciding the point at which ownership of a coin changes. Does this address still belong to this guy or maybe it's another one? Was there an exchange or is he sending money to himself?  Grin

Glad you see the end game. They basically are phishing for voluntary surrender of assets.

The IRS is just afraid because they don't understand. If you read my tax article I write this in it, which nullifies most of the fears if you think about it.


"If the coffee shop doesn't pay taxes when collection cryptos during sales, it's no different than with fiat. They can been audited and actions taken against them for tax evasion. The sales record exist and is immutable on cryptos so it's actually harder to cheat taxes in this case compared to fiat cash."

24  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: IRS Now Has a Tool to Unmask Bitcoin Tax Cheats on: August 22, 2017, 08:45:28 PM
We all knew it was coming. Different agencies have already been doing just that.

Luckily they don't really have a way to tie you to it. And furthermore they have no purview to tax you. The problem is how much is understood by the IRS. The problem is if politicians let the IRS destroy cryptocurrencies in the US. At least for legal citizens.

Honestly here's the real issue... People not reporting income in fiat, and converting it all to Bitcoin. The people ALREADY EVADING TAXES are the problem they are after more than anything, surely. At least that should be the case. It's very important that the crypto-community makes this distinction.

As you may have noticed they can only bugger people on exchanges, so it's not like everyone has to be running in fear that is hodling in cold wallets.
25  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: [b]Other OR SOME WALLETS HAVE BEEN HACKED[b] on: August 22, 2017, 08:37:01 PM
Ya... we are probably a century away at least from seeing an actual Blockchain "hack" on any decentralized network.

It sounds to me like a crappy wallet interface, fake wallet site, virus & key-logger, or something.

If you are hodling and have zero intension of selling, trading, etc... you should only use a cold wallet. That or trust that Coinbase will continue. If you run Windows/Mac OS it's especially true that you should take some serious steps in security.

I am sorry this happened to your friend, my sympathies to anyone that gets hacked. 
26  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Where can i report a crypto crime? on: August 22, 2017, 08:32:42 PM
HOLD ON HOLD ON

What kind of crypto crime?

First off, the police cannot help you with most things at all. They can only help with things in the purview of the state, really, and anything that offers extradition. For example the Bitcoin network doesn't and cannot offer extradition. There are no provisions for that.

If you report a crime, are you sure you won't be the one confessing a crime to the police? The answer could very likely be yes, whether it's true or not.

This is the biggest downfall of cryptos in general, the fact that they basically exist in another "country" almost. The gateway has a slightly fickle nature to it. But luckily it's still miles and miles better than regular fiat etc.
27  Other / Off-topic / Re: Gamers on: August 21, 2017, 11:09:54 PM
I feel bad for you CS:GO players... Doesn't hold a candle to CS:S.
28  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: irs and coinbase on: August 21, 2017, 07:33:21 PM
You can't "win" when you accept defeat, like you two are interested in.

You make it sound like they are entitled to it. Like there is something lawful about taxes on cryptos before conversion to fiat. There is not. The reason it hasn't been in court yet is because best case scenario FUD like you two want wins general perception so no one challenges something unlawful.

Coinbase is the one that might be skipping out on taxes. If they sell Bitcoin and gain income, they must pay tax. It's simple... If Coinbase acquires a bunch of wealth in the purview of the state, the stake of obligation of protection & service to Coinbase increases for the state. Hence they have a reason to tax Coinbase. That's precisely why taxes exist.
29  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Questions about ICO participation as a United States citizen on: August 21, 2017, 07:25:12 PM

I wouldnt paint this so cut and dry. I will agree that they will not retroactively enforce this; that is making a list of participants and going after them (would be really difficult, to be honest). But you are running afoul of some pre established law by participating in these as a guidance has been issued. Since you aren't the one holding the money; they would be more likely to go after the ICO (this is about money, after all). Besides willfully purchasing an illegal, unregulated security, most of us are not accredited investors, which requires an AMAZING amount of income or wealth to qualify for. Only accredited investors would be allowed by the SEC to participate in something with this much risk. If you lie about being an accredited investor, or your region, to participate in one of these (they are starting to ask this now), you may forfeit your ability to seek damages/redress as you committed fraud.

Be careful. All of these arent securities, but for the ones that are, treat these as truly risky/volatile investments.

"In the United States, to be considered an accredited investor, one must have a net worth of at least $1,000,000, excluding the value of one's primary residence, or have income at least $200,000 each year for the last two years (or $300,000 combined income if married) and have the expectation to make the same amount this year."

If you don't have a lot of money, you can't be liable for not applying to be an accredited investor. Just don't lie and say you are.

This is a major problem in the USA. The laws for accredited investing are there to protect people that previously couldn't even look into investments. It's all pre-information age. It's archaic, old, bullshit. The problem came from supposedly "creditable" people claiming it was safe to give them money, not the other way around. This is an ancient statute that needs to be turned to rubble. One of the biggest values in cryptos today is that the average person can choose to have some autonomy with it.

But please, continue to roll over and keep the status quo. We all know that's why everyone became interested in Bitcoin to begin with.
30  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Paying TAX on: August 21, 2017, 07:16:05 PM


A friend of a friend recently purchased multiple  Asic miners and   he told me hes going to mine, hold, and whenever he cashes out present the earnings as capital gains. He will  put down the value of the equipment used in column E on his  Schedule D 1040 form.  I view this all as straight capital gains.  I feel thats the best thing for us miners to do, even if the  IRS balks, your not going to  jail and maybe have to pay a small fine due to the fact that this is a new field, for us and for the IRS.

Another thing that may work is, mine, hold, and hope that  your countries economy becomes like Japans, in Japan you can use Bitcoin  as a taxless currency  for goods, rent, property, cars and food.   I foresee this happening after the price  of a bitcoin starts to stabilize around 100K, which should occur toward the middle of the 2020's

     Using Bitcoin in Japan: https://youtu.be/xrauYRGDCjY

During a discussion about trying to have favorable tax situations with cryptos a friend once said, "Don't do it, that's like inviting the Devil into your home, there's no good reason to do it if it's not already happening"

I highly recommend against filing capitol gains tax. For what reason is it wise to inject crypto mining with the state? They shouldn't be allowed in it, but if everyone lets them in then they'll think it's all ok until a Supreme Court case goes to show they have no right (it's only a matter of time).
31  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Not Declaring Bitcoin Income on: August 21, 2017, 07:08:55 PM
Coinbase needs to be paying corporate taxes. Not the users.

If Coinbase sells you Bitcoin from their own accounts that is income they have.

If you sell Bitcoin to Coinbase that is income you have.

There is no reason for the IRS to be beyond the gateway world since taxes cannot go to protecting any basic rights within the crypto realm. They hold no purpose besides people foolishly asking the IRS to take their money.
32  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin split to Bitcoin Cash! (BCH) Yep! You probably owe IRS a lot of $$$. on: August 21, 2017, 07:04:59 PM
My guess is that the IRS will not care, as long as you are not converting your BCH to fiat. Once you convert it to fiat, then you are liable to pay taxes as ordinary income (unless the transaction qualifies as long term capital gains).

In time (if not already) the IRS will definitely care about crypto-to-crypto capital gains. But their resources are limited, and it's easier for them to go after big fish leaving paper trails in the legacy banking system.




Only if people like you faithfully accept it.

No government has purview with cryptocurrencies. The harder they try, the more their country loses valuable resources.
33  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Not Declaring Bitcoin Income on: August 17, 2017, 10:06:19 PM
Bitcoin is very trackable. But the thing is how do you decide whom to track? There is no good automated way to do it. Bitcoin is out of the purview of any country really, and should be treated that way. I wrote some about it here.

If you convert Bitcoin to fiat, pay income tax on it if your country has income tax. Simple.

Bitcoin ATM's bring up some legality concerns. Technically you are selling them for fiat, so you should also pay taxes like it's income instead of like it's a bank.

I'm in the United States. That's how it is here, as well as pretty much anywhere. It's just a question, is there income tax?
34  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Questions about ICO participation as a United States citizen on: August 17, 2017, 09:27:58 PM
It's somewhat simple. They are not going after citizens because security laws are not for citizens in that the punitive measure are for those offering unregistered securities. It's way too costly to seek out people that buy non-securities, and there's no purpose as the law exists to stop them from wasting money. Why fine people that you made a law around preventing them from being ripped off?

The ICO's that don't allow US participation are not protecting you, they are protecting themselves from the long arm of the SEC. If you have to VPN and all of that to participate it shows a record that they clearly didn't allow it, but you cheated their protection so they aren't particularly liable so long as they obviously try to be compliant and protective.

You can't "cash out" an ICO anyways, you have to convert it to a more legal crypto first.

Don't play the capitol gain games. It's all senseless IMO since decentralized things are out of the states purview. Just pay income tax when you convert to fiat and withdraw from the custodian.
35  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: irs and coinbase on: August 17, 2017, 09:20:45 PM
It was only US citizens with over $20k worth. And it never happened.

It's total BS anyways. The IRS has no right to any of it until the convert to fiat. It's out of the purview of the state until it's fiat so they are not providing any facilitation of it's use that isn't already taxed.

I wouldn't call it anything but a pathetic attempt to see if people would willingly hand over funds for no reason.
36  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Bitcoin Tax heaven. on: August 15, 2017, 10:52:45 PM
Withdraw enough to pay income tax on & buy property in a chosen country with low/no income tax, one which gives residency once property of a certain dollar amount has been purchased. Move there, be a resident. Now you can cash out all you want without pay much/any on it.

That's all there is... if you want to stay in the state which you live now pay income tax on it, that simple. Don't try to launder it or whatever, the stress will ruin your retirement.
37  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Paying TAX on: August 15, 2017, 10:47:11 PM
Conceptually you "gained property" as far as the USA is concerned. You pay tax when your property gains value. They're asking you to pay value on nothing becoming something.  Roll Eyes

IMO I think it's entirely wrong to pay taxes on that. I wouldn't. Bitcoins are out of the purview of the state no matter what they like to claim. Fact is you paid tax on everything that allowed you to mine that Bitcoin.

If a furniture maker pays taxes on his woodshop, wood, brushes, oils, etc... and makes a chair, does he pay taxes on the value of that chair coming into existence? No. Lawfully he "would pay tax" but he doesn't. No one does that. They pay sales tax when they sell it, or pay higher property taxes to compensate. If they are listed as a commercial entity they pay extra taxes like for electricity etc.

Think of it like this, they're acting as if Bitcoins fell into your lap like your pop passed away and left them to you. They want to tax on that. What they're ignoring is POW (proof of work) in which you paid plenty of tax already and have "labored" it into existence. So their argument is really faulty.

How and why are they able to say this crap? Because no one has challenged them yet. Why haven't they enforced it? Because then they wouldn't have any volunteers since it has some shit chances of holding up in court.
38  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Wondering about Taxes and legal stuff in USA on: August 15, 2017, 10:39:41 PM
IF you can keep track of it all, you could pay capitol gain tax. That's hardly possible. Plus I don't think capitol gain tax is a good idea for cryptos because it implies that there is some sort of jurisdiction on them. I recommend just paying income tax. Fact is that you left the purview of the state, and re-entered it. The first time, Coinbase or whatever paid the tax. The second time you converted you now own a big asset in the purview of the state that facilitates the fiat, so it's your responsibility.
39  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Can I use „bitcoin“ in my domain? on: August 15, 2017, 10:36:31 PM
There is nothing but laughter to stop you from being http://therealbitcoin.bitcoin well and money for servers and stuff like that...
40  Bitcoin / Legal / Re: Which jurisdiction is better now? on: August 15, 2017, 10:35:21 PM
Anywhere that won't give the USA extradition or extension, and won't classify it as a security.
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