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21  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: October 03, 2019, 12:04:46 PM
We should get to 128kb block size on BTC ASAP, 1mb per block of child porn is way too much for BTC.

The red trust you left for gmaxwell is remarkably stupid incorrect:

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On 26 August 2019, US Federal Court of Florida ruled that Satoshi Nakamoto is the partnership of Dave Kleiman and Craig Wright, ordered that the Trust which holds the first 1.000.000 BTC should send 50% of Dave's BTC to his brother, Ira Kleiman.
So now, for the first time in history we have confirmation by a US Federal Court of the fact that CSW is at least 50% of Satoshi Nakamoto.

From the transcript of the hearing you mentioned:

Quote
First, the Court is not required to decide, and does not decide, whether Defendant Dr. Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, the inventor of the Bitcoin cybercurrency.

This was on Page 2 of the 29 page document!

So I have to ask: are you a liar, or are you just stupid? You're clearly one or the other, so which one is it?

Quote
Pursuant to Fed. R. Civ. P. 37(b)(2)(A)(i), the Court deems the following facts to be
established
for purposes of this action: (1) Dr. Wright and David Kleiman entered into
a 50/50 partnership to develop Bitcoin intellectual property and to mine bitcoin; (2) any
Bitcoin-related intellectual property developed by Dr. Wright prior to David Kleiman’s
death was property of the partnership, (3) all bitcoin mined by Dr. Wright prior to David
Kleiman’s death (“the partnership’s bitcoin”) was property of the partnership when
mined; and (4) Plaintiffs presently retain an ownership interest in the partnership’s
bitcoin, and any assets traceable to them.

Page 28
22  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: October 03, 2019, 11:11:20 AM
We should get to 128kb block size on BTC ASAP, 1mb per block of child porn is way too much for BTC.
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: -- The Riddle of the Twin Brothers - Who Were, Are and Will Rule the World! on: September 18, 2019, 06:11:24 AM
We'll use the... wait for it... bilge pumps. Party at the bottom (you get it? The future). Are you not invited?
We set it all up.


What if you drain the ocean and Atlantis is not there?

They will build it from scratch. Those who can drain an ocean are scary people, target oriented.
24  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: September 05, 2019, 12:19:43 PM

Where did I say something about block size? We were talking about transactions, as far as I can tell.


@HardFireMiner

Yes we are talking about transactions - speed and throughput capabilities on the network (TX's per. sec. and fees etc.,), all being relative to what is/was the ongoing blocksize debate, which fractured the community and is/was the major reason for the BCH and BSV forks.

It may surprise you that I'm far from being a Bitcoin maximalist.

This is very simple really (and from a mostly non-technical perspective) ...

If 100 people (transactions) are waiting for a bus (a block) at a bus stop (the point of sale) and said bus can only carry 50 people, the other 50 people must wait for the next bus (assuming that the bus is not already full of course!). The people waiting for the next bus are stuck in the mempool.

The frequency of buses on the timetable (blocktime) is fixed at 10 mins. ("Set in Stone"), said 50 people must therefore wait approx. 10 mins. for the next bus etc., etc.,

This is the nature of Bitcoins TX model (herewith, real-time example) ...
- https://bitcoinfees.earn.com/

The BCH / BSV 'solution' is/was to assume that we simply require bigger buses (blocks) to solve the issue.

Whilst this might seem to be the perfect solution, more congestion actually occurs and the reason relative to buses is that it takes longer for people to board and to alight from the bus.

In terms of Bitcoin, bigger buses (blocks) cause more pollution and will fill up your hard drive faster. If your hard drive is full you can no longer run a node or you need to buy a bigger more expensive hard drive i.e. increased centralization and barrier to entry etc.,

HINT: Empty buses don't need to be bigger!  Cheesy

The Lightning Network is one off-chain solution to this problem by effectively providing separate shuttle bus services for say peak times - by offloading micro payments etc.,

Hence ...


You say "In terms of Bitcoin, bigger buses (blocks) cause more pollution and will fill up your hard drive faster." This sounds reasonable but i will try to explain my view on it :

On BTC, when 50 people arrive and enter the bus, every individual that comes after the 50th and before 10 minutes, will wait for the next bus, that will carry 50 people as well.
Now lets assume that there is heavy network activity, i.o.e. all the people in the town want to take the bus in relatively same time. They will be blocked, a panic will occur, everybody will try to pay more to get accepted (remember those huge fees during the 2018 BTC network congestion? not to mention, up to 2 weeks wait time for transactions to be delivered)  and no matter what those people do, the bus takes 50, no more people.
Lets say there were 25000 people waiting for the next bus. They waited 2 weeks(2018 btc network congestion). (The space on hard drive will be same as on BSV, the only difference is in time confirmation and fee)

On BSV, there are no, or mostly no limits on how many people a bus can carry, it is up to the bus operators(miners). Now lets assume same situation described above - heavy network activity. 50 people come enters bus, yes it will still stay 10 minutes waiting for others, but others will be able to take the bus and leave in maximum 10 minutes, not 2 weeks, with reasonable fees. It is up to miners want they to mine big blocks or not.
Same 25000(actually, close to as many as necessary) people waited 10 minutes(The space on hard drive will be same as on BTC, the only difference is in time confirmation and fee).
Big blocks can and will see their rise and necessity when the next huge network congestion will occur, the network will freeze and many more can happen and most likely will happen.

So while your statement sounds reasonable, it is not because bigger blocks will only occur if necessary, to deliver what bitcoin was designed to do from the beginning - Same transactions per second(TPS) ability as VISA or paypal, or anyone, for that matter.  It's like saying, lets eat less, to poop less(hello Bolsonaro).

BTC will get those 50 gb of storage during a heavy network activity in a ridiculous amount of time, we will see sooner rather than later.
Bitcoin will get those 50 gb of storage like a boss in 10 minutes and will put the headstone on BTC ability to scale.

Yes, in time, not everyone will be able to store the blockchain and mine bitcoin, it will be economically unreasonable. In this, like in every field in capitalism, the strongest and most effective business model will dominate. Bitcoin mining doesn't need to be different in today's global economy. As businesses develop, the business models also develops, in time, competition creates a fairer price for the consumer and a more stable revenue for the producer, every mature business tends to be more efficient. Everybody can start an oil business, but can everybody afford it? Who can compete with Standard Oil starting from scratch? Not many people.
While the myth of monopoly and oligarchy is present in the bitcoin world, i totally disassociate with such statements as they are not based on common sense, I see them as mediocre socialists/anarchist that live in a parallel world. If there will be demand, and it will, bitcoin will scale and will deliver any size necessary of blocks, and thus delivering any TPS(in 10 minutes Cheesy ).


25  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: September 05, 2019, 08:47:20 AM


This is a very interesting topic.  If a solution was found, a much better, easier, more convenient implementation of Bitcoin would be possible.

Originally, a coin can be just a chain of signatures.  With a timestamp service, the old ones could be dropped eventually before there's too much backtrace fan-out, or coins could be kept individually or in denominations.  It's the need to check for the absence of double-spends that requires global knowledge of all transactions.

The challenge is, how do you prove that no other spends exist?  It seems a node must know about all transactions to be able to verify that.  If it only knows the hash of the in/outpoints, it can't check the signatures to see if an outpoint has been spent before.  Do you have any ideas on this?

It's hard to think of how to apply zero-knowledge-proofs in this case.

We're trying to prove the absence of something, which seems to require knowing about all and checking that the something isn't included.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-interactive_zero-knowledge_proof

 Cheesy


From Bitcoin whitepaper:




And another quote from satoshi on this forum:



Bitcoin TX's may be fast, bitcoin can even scale(BSV), however, they are not instant and were not designed to be so. Failed delivery, rerouting, damage in delivery (malicious maltreating included) or simply delayed all arise with Bitcoin transactions.



Cool tournament, by the way.

I have not failed to understand what the real Satoshi meant (who is most certainly not CSW).

I also do not require your help in any matter whatsoever either ...


Bitcoin TX's are not fast, they are in fact more or less instant, when broadcast.

Because a transaction is considered settled and confirmed when broadcast to the network? Once broadcast, transaction confirmed, instantly?

Riiiiight.

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Transaction throughput (network confirmation time etc.,) is largely what governs scalability. Not block size.

Where did I say something about block size? We were talking about transactions, as far as I can tell.

26  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: September 04, 2019, 02:01:50 PM
There was no assumption from the Judge.

There is a sanction that establishes Kleiman & Wright as partners, only for the cause of the proceeding, because Wright is held in Contempt of Court.

I will repost judge Reinhart's established facts:

THE HONORABLE BRUCE E. REINHART
UNITED STATES MAGISTRATE JUDGE
Quote
Therefore, as a remedial measure pursuant to Federal
Rule of Civil Procedure 37(b)(2)(A)(i), the Court deems the
following facts to be established for purposes of this action:

And, by the way, I find that no lesser sanction is
sufficient than what I'm about to announce.
One, Dr. Wright and David Kleiman entered into a
50 percent 50/50 partnership to develop Bitcoin intellectual
property and to mine Bitcoin.

Second, it is deemed proven that all Bitcoin mined
by Dr. Wright prior to December 31st, 2013, was joint property
of Dr. Wright and David Kleiman at the time it was mined.
Because Dr. Wright's 10th affirmative defense relating to the
statute of frauds challenges the existence of a partnership,
it is inconsistent with these findings and these facts, so it
is stricken.
As a further punitive sanction, I deem the following
facts:
One, any Bitcoin-related intellectual property
developed by Dr. Wright prior to David Kleiman's death is
jointly and equally owned by Dr. Wright and by the plaintiffs.
And, two, any Bitcoin mined by Dr. Wright prior to
David Kleiman's death and any assets traceable to those
Bitcoin is presently jointly and equally owned by the
plaintiffs and Dr. Wright.
Dr. Wright's third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh,
eighth, second seventh affirmative defenses assert that David
Kleiman surrendered has legal rights in return for shares in a
corporation. These affirmative defenses are inconsistent with
the facts as I have deemed them, so they are stricken.
I do not strike Dr. Wright's first, second, I think
ninth, or 11th and 12th affirmative defenses. So I do not --
I do not strike all of his pleadings
. I do not enter a
default judgment. I leave in place the affirmative defenses
relating to statute of limitations, latches, res judicata and
the one I can't remember.
In addition, Dr. Wright's April 18th motion which
was in substance a motion for protective order was denied, the
plaintiffs' June 3rd motion to compel was granted, and the
current motion is also granted. Therefore, I will order that
the plaintiffs are entitled to receive reasonable attorney's
fees and expenses related to each of those motions.


As you can see from above, there ARE not only assumptions by the Judge, there are established facts. There are also points in Dr. Wright's affirmative defense ACCEPTED by the court.

Hope this clears it up for you.
27  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: September 04, 2019, 11:23:11 AM
...snip...

Remember when Craig announced that he was working on true fungibility and mixing for BCH? I do!





Jep - but that's not against tracability IF YOU NEED IT to prove against regulatory instances where your ownings came from. Otherwise you ll get rekt or blacklisted anyway

Mixing (on or off chain) is probably the worst way to do privacy, anonymity, or to prevent traceability etc., This only provides plausible deniability, at best.

What people don't currently realize is "Oblivious Transfers", won't even add 'true' fungibility. - SWIM  Cheesy

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fungibility

Definition of oblivious;

1 : lacking remembrance, memory, or mindful attention
2 : lacking active conscious knowledge or awareness —usually used with of or to

Synonyms;

clueless, ignorant, incognizant, innocent, insensible, nescient, unacquainted, unaware, unconscious, uninformed, unknowing, unmindful, unwitting


 Cheesy

This is a very interesting topic.  If a solution was found, a much better, easier, more convenient implementation of Bitcoin would be possible.

Originally, a coin can be just a chain of signatures.  With a timestamp service, the old ones could be dropped eventually before there's too much backtrace fan-out, or coins could be kept individually or in denominations.  It's the need to check for the absence of double-spends that requires global knowledge of all transactions.

The challenge is, how do you prove that no other spends exist?  It seems a node must know about all transactions to be able to verify that.  If it only knows the hash of the in/outpoints, it can't check the signatures to see if an outpoint has been spent before.  Do you have any ideas on this?

It's hard to think of how to apply zero-knowledge-proofs in this case.

We're trying to prove the absence of something, which seems to require knowing about all and checking that the something isn't included.

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zero-knowledge_proof

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-interactive_zero-knowledge_proof

 Cheesy
I see you cited satoshi and wiki, however, you failed to understand what satoshi meant, i will try to help, I cited the (5) reference, about the 2 colored balls (https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/demonstrate-how-zero-knowledge-proofs-work-without-using-chalkias)

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This example requires two identical objects with different colours such as two coloured balls.

Imagine your friend is red-green colour-blind (while you are not) and you have two balls: one red and one green, but otherwise identical. To your friend they seem completely identical and he is skeptical that they are actually distinguishable. You want to prove to him they are in fact differently-coloured, but nothing else; in particular, you do not want to reveal which one is the red and which is the green ball.

Here is the proof system. You give the two balls to your friend and he puts them behind his back. Next, he takes one of the balls and brings it out from behind his back and displays it. He then places it behind his back again and then chooses to reveal just one of the two balls, picking one of the two at random with equal probability. He will ask you, "Did I switch the ball?" This whole procedure is then repeated as often as necessary.

By looking at their colours, you can of course say with certainty whether or not he switched them. On the other hand, if they were the same colour and hence indistinguishable, there is no way you could guess correctly with probability higher than 50%.

Since the probability that you would have randomly succeeded at identifying each switch/non-switch is 50%, the probability of having randomly succeeded at all switch/non-switches approaches zero ("soundness"). If you and your friend repeat this "proof" multiple times (e.g. 100 times), your friend should become convinced ("completeness") that the balls are indeed differently coloured.

The above proof is zero-knowledge because your friend never learns which ball is green and which is red; indeed, he gains no knowledge about how to distinguish the balls.

This example cannot be applied to bitcoin since it is interactive. You convince just the colorblind friend and nobody else. And, by the way, even in this case, there is no way you show him are there any unspent coins inside those colored balls. This is what you failed to understand. You will say that you provided the link for Non-interactive zero-knowledge proof and Pairing-based cryptography and it's further implementation to ZCash protocol.
I will say that this is not needed. 0-conf is not needed in Bitcoin.
From Bitcoin whitepaper:




And another quote from satoshi on this forum:



Bitcoin TX's may be fast, bitcoin can even scale(BSV), however, they are not instant and were not designed to be so. Failed delivery, rerouting, damage in delivery (malicious maltreating included) or simply delayed all arise with Bitcoin transactions.



Cool tournament, by the way.
28  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: September 03, 2019, 07:22:17 AM
I understand that my judgement is not relevant for the matter, however, you question the only US Federal Judge's findings on this matter - the creator of Bitcoin.

It appears as if you are under the mistaken impression that the judge's statement about their partnership supports CSW's claim to be Satoshi:
"One, Dr. Wright and David Kleiman entered into a
50 percent 50/50 partnership to develop Bitcoin intellectual
property and to mine Bitcoin."


^^^ This does not assert that said partnership created Bitcoin, only that they were supposedly developing Bitcoin-related IP at some point.

Which bit of the judge's statement explicitly clarifying that they were not ruling on the matter of Satoshi Nakamoto's identity confuses you?

 



I see you still have trouble in reading the whole hearing from 08-26-2019, I will try to help.

Ms McGovern, Dr.Wright's lawyer:
Quote
Your Honor, the Court ordered Dr. Wright to produce
a list of public addresses, or actually the Bitcoin that was
held as of 12/31/2013. So the issue before this Court is
whether Dr. Wright has demonstrated an inability to comply
with this order. The decisions that are addressing this
shifted burden explain that it's composed of the following:
An explanation as to why compliance is not possible; and a
good faith effort to comply using all reasonable efforts
possible.
In response to the Court's order, Dr. Wright has
provided the first 70 of those public addresses. There are
over 16,000. In addition, Dr. Wright has disclosed his full
holdings of Bitcoin as of December 31st, 2013, and has stated
under oath exactly how much Bitcoin he holds as of that date,
and has confirmed under oath that that Bitcoin has not moved.
The explanation, the first part, Dr. Wright
testified before Your Honor in a full-day evidentiary hearing
under oath that the public addresses are contained in an
encrypted file that cannot be accessed at this time. The
testimony was unequivocal. When asked whether Dr. Wright
specifically could provide a list of those public addresses,
and, in fact, whether it was impossible for him to provide
those public addresses at this time, he testified on page 22:
Yes, it is.
In addition, when asked specifically if he could
provide the remaining list of public addresses beyond the
first 70 that he provided, that if he could do it, would he do
it.
And he testified unequivocally: Yes, I would.
Beyond that, Your Honor, he explained why it makes
no sense that he wouldn't. From a credibility perspective,
which is something that the plaintiffs have argued on this
issue before this Court, this limited issue before this Court,
the plaintiffs essentially have argued he cannot be believed.
That's not evidence.
In explaining why he would provide the list of
public addresses if he could -- and, in fact, it strains
credulity as to why he wouldn't do that -- he went into
detailed explanation as to how the process worked. He
specifically explained that in 2011, he disassociated himself
with the file with Dave Kleiman's help for a number of
reasons, the first of which was that he did not want to be
associated with the name Satoshi Nakamoto. And the reason for
that was because the invention that he testified under oath he
created was being misused in terrible ways: As heroin
markets, pedophilia centers and other things.
So his testimony when asked, how is it possible that
someone with that amount of Bitcoin wouldn't keep a file so
that he could access the public addresses later, he explained
he wanted total disassociation with it. It strains credulity,
according to Dr. Wright, and it seems reasonable to believe
him, that someone would want to be associated with that kind
of an invention. So the rationale for disassociating himself
with the file and the Bitcoin at that time is not incredulous.
In addition, the value of the Bitcoin in 2011 is not
what it is today. Today the numbers are staggering, there's
no question about it. That wasn't the case then.
Additionally, Dr. Wright explained that this process
in which he encrypted the file and the reason why he cannot
access it, it is impossible to access, is because Dave Kleiman
is dead. In addition, the information that could possibly
help him decrypt the file now, apart from the fact that he
can't speak to his good friend, Dave Kleiman, is the fact that
the files, the electronic devices and the information that
Dave Kleiman had at his house has been discarded, overwritten,
and is encrypted.
Those are undisputed facts in this case.
Dr. Wright further testified under oath that it is
very possible, based upon the manner in which the encrypted
file was set up, that the information to decrypt the file,
process the algorithm that would allow him to generate the
public addresses and provide that information could be
available in January 2020. Discovery has been ordered;
discovery is not complete.
If, in fact, Dave Kleiman's devices are later
decrypted and information becomes available when the forensic
analyses are complete, and that information allows an earlier
access, that may remedy the situation even earlier than
January.
In addition, Dr. Wright produced testimony, or
provided testimony and produced information in an effort to
demonstrate to this Court all reasonable efforts in good faith
to comply with this Court's order. Dr. Wright instruction
high-level staff at nChain to do everything that they could to
provide what was a probabilistic list of the public addresses
beyond the first 70 that were produced.
The plaintiffs criticized that process, arguing that
the information and the criteria that was used was in the
control of Dr. Wright. Of course, it was. It was, in fact,
the information that Dr. Wright had that was utilized to try
to generate a list of the probabilistic public addresses that
would be available. That information was explained by Steve
Shadders, who testified under oath as to the procedures that
he followed, and that he provided that information at the
instruction of Dr. Wright, who was attempting to comply with
this Court's order.
The list of public addresses, a probabilistic list,
was a attempt at a complete inclusive list of public addresses
that Dr. Wright had beyond the first 70 produced. That list
was provided to plaintiffs' counsel on June 28th at the close
of the first evidentiary hearing. After the close of the
evidentiary hearing, Your Honor, it was then produced to them
in electronic file.
At the cross-examination of Steve Shadders on
August 5th, the second day of this Court's evidentiary
hearing, there was absolutely no evidence provided that any
analyses on that probabilistic list was done.
Steve Shadders also testified and provide --
provided exclement (sic) explanation as to what the public
address information would provide to the plaintiffs. We
believe that's important, Your Honor, because the holdings
that Dr. Wright had as of December 31st, 2013, have been
provided, and the information regarding the public addresses,
if, in fact, he had a list now that he could say, I've done
everything I can to just remember the 16,000-and-some public
addresses, wouldn't necessarily provide the plaintiffs with
any additional information, because as Steve Shadders
testified, as well as Dr. Wright testified, ownership cannot
be determined by having a public address.
Further, whether somebody mined with another person,
even if it were possible during the relevant time period,
which it was not, cannot be determined by having the public
address.
So the information that a public address can provide
to the plaintiffs in this case should be considered by this
Court in addressing the inability to provide that to
plaintiffs at this juncture. It's our position, Your Honor,
that the evidence shows, that the evidence demonstrates, that
that information does not provide plaintiffs with information
that merits the kind of allegations that are being made
surrounding its, the plaintiffs', inability to obtain that
information now.
Plaintiffs have not produced any evidence in this
evidentiary hearing that defeats impossibility, Your Honor.
There's been no witness provided that rebuts Dr. Wright's
unequivocal testimony that he cannot provide the public
addresses at this time.
Plaintiffs' expert did not address that question.
Instead, plaintiff spent most of the cross-examination of
Dr. Wright on reviewing and reading verbatim lines in metadata
with respect to e-mails and other documents. Apparently, the
primary argument in response to impossibility or the inability
to access the public addresses is something -- is simply or is
nothing more than -- I'm not saying that it's -- should be
taken lightly; credibility's important. The plaintiffs'
entire theme on this issue before this Court is that
Dr. Wright should not be believed. Supposition and belief is
not evidence, and the rationale and the explanations that
Dr. Wright has provided as to his inability, separate and
apart from his unequivocal statements that he is unable to do
it, makes sense.
When asked if Dr. Wright has already sustained or
has already suffered certain consequences as a result of these
contempt proceedings, his answer to this Court was: Yes.
Can't speak to his mother; he's having difficulty talking to
his wife. These are serious allegations the plaintiffs have
lodged in this case, and he's here today for that reason. He
is being charged in this case in this -- on this issue before
this Court with a willful violation of a federal court order,
and he has testified and explained that he is taking that very
seriously.
Your Honor, we understand there's been a delay, and
Your Honor asked Dr. Wright about that delay on June 28th and
specifically asked if you knew about -- or that you knew that
you weren't able to access the encrypted file with the public
addresses at the time they were requested, why didn't you just
say that? Why was there a period from February, March and
April, when we were discovering that and reaching a full
understanding of what you're testifying under oath now?
And if we could go back, Your Honor, we would. If
we could go back with a fuller understanding of what the
issues are in this case, I'm sure the plaintiffs would. I
don't think Ira would have wiped out the files with pictures
of his children. Or perhaps there's something more. But at
this stage, things have been done that wouldn't have been
done, particularly in light of the fact that in 2014, when
Dr. Wright contacted Dave Kleiman's father, he specifically
said: There is important information in Dave Kleiman's
devices, protect it, and the opposite was done.
So during the period of time in which the issue of
the public addresses was being discovered, there were a lot of
other things happening, as well, in this case. There is a
massive amount of discovery that has been conducted in good
faith in this case.
We don't mean to suggest, Your Honor, that we don't
understand the issue before you, and I'm certainly not trying
to detract the Court's attention on what the issue is. We
understand it, and we're very -- taking it very seriously.
But in terms of context and in terms of explanation,
we think it's important to understand what that context is.
So when you're unable to do something, and you're trying to
understand exactly what the circumstances are about it,
particularly in light of the fact that we have so many
computers and so much data, and corporations and available
resources, we wanted to make sure that, in fact, all of the
information was put before the Court and it was accurate.
If Dr. Wright did not wish to allow the plaintiffs
access to the public addresses, he explained under oath that
the last thing he would have done is provide the first 70,
because that, in fact, as he explained, identifies him as
Satoshi Nakamoto. Producing the rest of the public addresses
provide -- causes absolutely no concern.
And importantly, plaintiffs have offered no
explanation as to why he wouldn't do it; why he would put
himself, his credibility, the credibility of his counsel on
the line if the public addresses don't do what the plaintiffs
are claiming it does; and if he's already tried to comply by
providing the first 70, and if he's asked his staff to give a
list of every single public address that could possibly be his
based upon the criteria that he was able to narrow.
The explanation that the information may come in
January 2020 is important in light of the fact that discovery
is ongoing. But it's also important because we're not even
done reviewing Dave's devices. We haven't gotten to the
point, Your Honor, of even being able, from a defense
perspective, to go beyond simply the identification of the
files that were deleted. By court order, our forensic experts
are reviewing that information, and we're not at the point
where we can, as they say in today's parlance a lot, take a
deep dive. But we're very anxious to do it, and we believe
information, critical information, about this case is
contained there.
To take a leap and claim and argue that Dr. Wright
should be foreclosed from a defense, a robust defense in this
case, on claims of an oral general partnership, a default
judgment for half the Bitcoin, some sort of punitive sanction
stated publicly about his intentions regarding this Court's or
regarding the inability to comply with this Court's order is
simply not proportionate to the facts and circumstances that
have been presented and the evidence that's been presented on
this issue.
Your Honor, I'd also like to say that this issue is
not every issue in the case. We come before Your Honor and
often hear the same mantra about things that aren't related to
the issue before this Court. We believe it's very important,
Your Honor, that the issue before this Court, which is a
limited issue of a noncompliance of a discovery order, doesn't
mean it's not important. Simply talking about the definition
of what is before the Court not be conflated with other issues
that have been presented to the Court on other facts and other
allegations.
In other words, Dr. Wright doesn't lose his right to
due process to a jury trial because there have been some sort
of credibility determination vel non in this case that he's no
longer entitled to those things.
In the absence of any evidence, Your Honor, that
defeats impossibility, that's what we're left with.
Your Honor asked if the parties, counsel for the
parties, could think about appropriate remedies in this case
for what has transpired concerning the inability to provide
the public addresses and the timing of that. And, Your Honor,
we are very, very mindful of the importance of mitigating
potential harm. Exxon is ringing in my ears. But we do
believe that it is important to keep in mind here that it is
not a willful noncompliance that we are looking at here. The
intentions were not to hide and deceive. If that were the
case, common sense would dictate that you wouldn't say exactly
how much Bitcoin you have as of 12/31/13, you wouldn't provide
the first 70, and you wouldn't pull high-end staff away from
other projects to provide a list, a probabilistic list, an
all-inclusive list of the public addresses that they probably
are in light of the fact that the admission under oath, which
is not refuted, is that the Bitcoin hasn't moved.
So in terms of the remedy, Your Honor, we believe
this Court should determine first and foremost, in light of
the absence of evidence regarding a willful violation as to
what information the plaintiffs have not received, and, in
fact, the prejudice to the plaintiffs if they don't receive
that information at this time. If, in fact, the Bitcoin
hasn't moved, and in light of the fact that discovery is not
over, and with the very high possibility that this information
will ultimately be provided to plaintiffs before trial, we
don't believe, even assuming that the Court were to impose a
sanction, that anything beyond a sanction for the period of
time that was taken in reaching a full understanding of this
issue should be imposed. In other words, the plaintiffs'
counsel engaged in efforts that perhaps were not necessary and
could be determined to have been wasted had that information
been provided sooner, and we understand that. The same is
true, Your Honor, on our side.
And if that's the case, any remedy that the Court
should impose reasonably should be limited to that reasonable
amount of time that the plaintiffs spent working towards that
ultimate understanding. We don't believe, Your Honor, that it
would be fair to include the evidentiary hearing on that
issue, and here's why.
We highly doubt plaintiffs' counsel would have
simply taken Dr. Wright's statement that the file is encrypted
and he cannot access it without requesting an evidentiary
showing. We believe, Your Honor, we would have needed that
evidentiary showing, and we would have needed to engage in
that process anyway. But for the period of time that Your
Honor referenced on June 28th, where you specifically asked
Dr. Wright about that time period, we believe any -- any
sanction should be limited to that reasonable attorney's fee,
which can be presented to Your Honor and addressed as to its
reasonableness at a later time, and we do not believe, Your
Honor, that that sanction should imply in any way a willful
noncompliance with this Court's order, simply because the
gravity with which that kind of finding carries would be
unfair.
In an ideal world, Your Honor, in light of the fact
that discovery has not been completed, and Dr. Wright has
testified as to the very high possibility that he will receive
that information in January, we ask that you -- that the Court
refrain from imposing any sanction at all, including a
reasonable attorney's fee, until January 31st, 2020.
I know what you're going to hear next. It's going
to be a request for the highest sanction possible: Default
judgment, strike pleadings, essentially determine the case
over and claim game over. The law is not designed to set a
litigant up for failure. And without evidence -- and there is
none -- that Dr. Wright has willfully failed to comply with
this Court's order, we believe, Your Honor, that even the
suggestion of that kind of a sanction cannot be reconciled
with our court of justice and with our system.
We also recognize, Your Honor, that the Court has
spent time, and the Court has put in effort in reaching a full
understanding on this issue. I know Bitcoin's not new, but
Shamir schemes, and Bitcoin, and protocol, and code, and all
of those things wrapped together, and a deceased, the other
main witness in this case who cannot speak and whose files are
not available, because they're encrypted themselves or they've
been erased, doesn't necessarily come up in one case all at
the same time.
So we're working through it, and we're working
through it in good faith, Your Honor. I can say -- and we
just have to glance over there to the right real quick, that
everybody on this side is honored to be in front of this
Court. Dr. Wright has come from the UK for a day because --
might not be the right word -- but in the form of an
allocution recognizes what this Court has done.
The mere fact that an explanation was provided in
the manner in which provided is a testament to the kind of
system that we have, which is a system of truth and arriving
at it, and the ability to be able to explain things that are
difficult to explain, even if they're not perhaps fully
explained the first time because they're complicated.


THE HONORABLE BRUCE E. REINHART
UNITED STATES MAGISTRATE JUDGE
Quote
Therefore, as a remedial measure pursuant to Federal
Rule of Civil Procedure 37(b)(2)(A)(i), the Court deems the
following facts to be established for purposes of this action:

And, by the way, I find that no lesser sanction is
sufficient than what I'm about to announce.
One, Dr. Wright and David Kleiman entered into a
50 percent 50/50 partnership to develop Bitcoin intellectual
property and to mine Bitcoin.

Second, it is deemed proven that all Bitcoin mined
by Dr. Wright prior to December 31st, 2013, was joint property
of Dr. Wright and David Kleiman at the time it was mined.
Because Dr. Wright's 10th affirmative defense relating to the
statute of frauds challenges the existence of a partnership,
it is inconsistent with these findings and these facts, so it
is stricken.
As a further punitive sanction, I deem the following
facts:
One, any Bitcoin-related intellectual property
developed by Dr. Wright prior to David Kleiman's death is
jointly and equally owned by Dr. Wright and by the plaintiffs.
And, two, any Bitcoin mined by Dr. Wright prior to
David Kleiman's death and any assets traceable to those
Bitcoin is presently jointly and equally owned by the
plaintiffs and Dr. Wright.
Dr. Wright's third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh,
eighth, second seventh affirmative defenses assert that David
Kleiman surrendered has legal rights in return for shares in a
corporation. These affirmative defenses are inconsistent with
the facts as I have deemed them, so they are stricken.
I do not strike Dr. Wright's first, second, I think
ninth, or 11th and 12th affirmative defenses
. So I do not --
I do not strike all of his pleadings. I do not enter a
default judgment. I leave in place the affirmative defenses
relating to statute of limitations, latches, res judicata and
the one I can't remember.
In addition, Dr. Wright's April 18th motion which
was in substance a motion for protective order was denied, the
plaintiffs' June 3rd motion to compel was granted, and the
current motion is also granted. Therefore, I will order that
the plaintiffs are entitled to receive reasonable attorney's
fees and expenses related to each of those motions.

https://wizsec.jp/20190826_kleiman_wright.pdf

I hope you can identify the implications and consequence this case has. If not, oh well, maybe later.
The above quote of judge Reinhart are facts established by the Court, your quote is not there so it is not relevant.
29  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: September 02, 2019, 03:25:59 PM
For me, this is enough evidence, Judge Reinhart is authority.

Psst, we got this ultimate authority thing called a blockchain. You can't fake it. You can't lie to it. You can't bend it to your will. It knows more than any judge ever will.

There's no need to pricktease for years on end. It will allow you to prove anything you want in minutes as long as what you're claiming is - and here's the important part - true.

Our special friend has found this out in relentless and excruciating detail in a stunningly elongated fashion. Some day he may even acknowledge it.

I understand that my judgement is not relevant for the matter, however, you question the only US Federal Judge's findings on this matter - the creator of Bitcoin.

And you want to be taken seriously?
30  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: September 02, 2019, 02:54:35 PM
For your information

THE HONORABLE BRUCE E. REINHART
UNITED STATES MAGISTRATE JUDGE:
Quote
And, by the way, I find that no lesser sanction is
sufficient than what I'm about to announce.
One, Dr. Wright and David Kleiman entered into a
50 percent 50/50 partnership to develop Bitcoin intellectual
property and to mine Bitcoin.
Second, it is deemed proven that all Bitcoin mined
by Dr. Wright prior to December 31st, 2013, was joint property
of Dr. Wright and David Kleiman at the time it was mined.
Because Dr. Wright's 10th affirmative defense relating to the
statute of frauds challenges the existence of a partnership,
it is inconsistent with these findings and these facts, so it
is stricken.



Proof link https://wizsec.jp/20190826_kleiman_wright.pdf


For me, this is enough evidence, Judge Reinhart is authority.

Evidence of what exactly?

"One, Dr. Wright and David Kleiman entered into a
50 percent 50/50 partnership to develop Bitcoin intellectual
property and to mine Bitcoin."


What you don't understand from the above phrase?
31  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: September 02, 2019, 02:09:44 PM
For your information

THE HONORABLE BRUCE E. REINHART
UNITED STATES MAGISTRATE JUDGE:
Quote
And, by the way, I find that no lesser sanction is
sufficient than what I'm about to announce.
One, Dr. Wright and David Kleiman entered into a
50 percent 50/50 partnership to develop Bitcoin intellectual
property and to mine Bitcoin.
Second, it is deemed proven that all Bitcoin mined
by Dr. Wright prior to December 31st, 2013, was joint property
of Dr. Wright and David Kleiman at the time it was mined.
Because Dr. Wright's 10th affirmative defense relating to the
statute of frauds challenges the existence of a partnership,
it is inconsistent with these findings and these facts, so it
is stricken.


Proof link https://wizsec.jp/20190826_kleiman_wright.pdf


For me, this is enough evidence, Judge Reinhart is authority.
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][Main] Bitcore- BTX - Partnership with JAXX and Magnum Wallet! on: September 02, 2019, 09:08:05 AM
Damn, they exit scammed? Cheesy
33  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: September 02, 2019, 09:02:18 AM
- 24H miner block reward: $234,500.29
- 24H miner fee reward: $104,60

I guess the people who are mining it who aren't Calvin, not that I believe such people actually exist, must be waiting with wet pussies for those Gigameg blocks to arrive.

When you see overt BSV supporters stating that they soon won't be able to afford to run a full node and miners would make more money clicking on faucets, I have no idea how or why this still lives.

If they were serious they would have an annual BSV No Calvin day to see what the network looks like without him.

I mine BSV.
34  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: August 27, 2019, 12:20:38 PM
And if you want some genuinely pitiful reading then here is a fountain of deadheaded thinking - https://old.reddit.com/r/bitcoincashSV/

I for one refuse to pollute my mind with such execrable stupidity but others might.

You refuse but still make a point regarding inheritance of BCH and BSV by Ira Kleiman, implying that this will crush the market even worse. A wrong point, in contradiction with the US Federal Judge of Florida.

Execrable stupidity you say? I agree, really mate.
35  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: August 27, 2019, 07:46:29 AM
So btc will now pay a high price. Most for heir tax

Presumably you're a performance artist. Let me know when your project launches. I'll look forward to wine and nibblies.

Fun to read the BSV justifications this morning. One of the main ones is because it's now 'legal' that Craig is unquestionably Satoshi the Kleimans will get half a million coins that don't exist and destroy everything.

It seems to slip their mind he'll also get half a million non existent BSVs and since most BSVs haven't been claimed that's going to annihilate it in a non existent matter.

This reminds me of when r/btc latched on to the idea of Tether's takedown 'destroying' BTC and obsessed over it for months while stroking their genitals. They were too fucking dim or lazy to realise that just might have an effect on their Bcashes too.

I see you weren't very cautious when reading, so I will put it for you again:

Quote
And again, shouldn’t that include the BTC, BCH, and BSV and every other fork of Bitcoin? All of those had to replicate the original blockchain starting from zero.

According to the judge it’s only from before Dave died, so only BTC. Sorry BTC.
36  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: August 27, 2019, 07:43:10 AM
Sold the sald BTC I held.

Lets now watch the market, market makes no mistakes in the long run.
37  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: July 19, 2019, 06:18:35 AM
Does anyone know if media will be allowed during the upcoming trial date?

There will be a closed hearing on 5th of August, my guess is that at least half of the day will be closed for public and half open so you can try. I know attorney Stephen D. Palley was reporting from last hearing, the open part.
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: mb8coin postponing exchange listing on: July 08, 2019, 06:22:23 AM
It's a scam, MLM ponzi scheme with Multibuy partnership, Multibuy World's bank accounts terminated, withdrawals suspended. Team consist of one individual who is a part time hypnotist, two others from Scotland were involved in tv electrical repairs,and most appear to have very little crypto knowledge.


I am sorry for your loss.
39  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: SCAM: Bitcoin SV (BSV) - fake team member and plagiarized white paper on: July 04, 2019, 08:13:07 AM
In other news, The website Loser.com redirects to CSW wiki entry.  Grin

The internet or that website used to troll Donald Trump, and lots of celebrities before, but I guess it's CSW turn now.

You can try and see it for yourself.  Grin
Yeah, check out itanimulli.com too.

Costs 15$ per year.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Goldcoin > Bitcoin ? on: July 04, 2019, 06:50:25 AM
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