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21  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Breaking News: Satoshi sighted as member of "the Foundation" on: April 28, 2013, 05:24:39 AM
Cited, not sighted.

But I'm excited that you sighted the citation.
22  Economy / Economics / Re: how many bitcoin users are there? on: April 26, 2013, 01:53:29 PM
It would be useful to define what a Bitcoin user is first. Is it someone using them for buying stuff, someone who have any or just someone who've shown interest?

I think 100k-250k is a way more realistic figure than 1mio+.

Once again, you can't use something you cannot possess. And in this case, if you don't possess the intelligence, then you can't use it  Grin

A person with 0.00000001btc is a user just by possessing it in a wallet. Owning it gives the person experience and the experience can be parlayed.
Also, if you receive an Apple computer, yet hate them, and never remove it from it's packaging, you are still an Apple user. But it's more like a non-user. But a user none the less.
Your experience is still relative. I wouldn't say you are sudo, but even the smallest fraction of experience in ownership is still to be considered usership.
23  Economy / Economics / Re: Tool: Calculate the future value of a single Bitcoin on: April 26, 2013, 01:42:24 PM
My logic is really simple. You said it - "The people who want to buy the bitcoins are the ones providing the liquidity". Sure. But if 70% are selling and 30% are buying do you really think that all positions will be fulfilled?

It doesn't matter how many buyers and sellers there are, as long as the commodity quantities match or are similar.

Did you finish high school? These principles are extremely easy to understand.
24  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why my uncle quit having sex with me when I turned 8. on: April 26, 2013, 02:33:02 AM
Hahaha epic work my good man  Cheesy
25  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why my uncle quit having sex with me when I turned 8. on: April 25, 2013, 11:12:30 PM
Checking in to make sure Psytoshi didn't move any of my posts in this thread over to my giant pussy thread.

Mars is more like a giant anus than a pussy
26  Other / Off-topic / Re: Should i remove all my posts about ed trice who scammed me of 47220 usd? on: April 25, 2013, 11:09:15 PM
Hey guys

As ed,is requesting me to remove my posts about him,i m asking your opinion about that

so let s vote please

Democracy it is



Can I scam you for $5. I'm hungry and I need a footlong.
27  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why my uncle quit having sex with me when I turned 8. on: April 25, 2013, 11:05:03 PM
Seriously, why would you even want to read a thread entitled such?

I have an idea? Why don't we use our collective mind power and wish for Zhou Tong to return to this forum? And if that works, we could then do the same to have Mt Gox release the Bitcoinica funds that they're holding hostage.

Now, about my uncle...

Well, you did make it sound like you were disappointed. He must have been really great... I'm sorry for your loss.  Cry
28  Economy / Economics / Re: Video: Bitcoin Ponzi scheme on: April 25, 2013, 10:05:14 PM
So as I was watching a video of Bitcoin, another video came up as featured:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UKC7iaBKvs

The author tries to explain how Bitcoin is a Ponzi scheme.

He's missing the most important point: Bitcoin is not a zero sum game!
Guy probably types with two fingers.

i srsly lol-ed at this
29  Economy / Economics / Re: Mt Gox announces Litecoin in letter(sorry if repost) on: April 25, 2013, 09:56:56 PM
It is useless adding alt coins trading which offer no extra advantage to Bitcoin. Network security is based on focusing miners work in one solid cryptocurrency. If miners work gets diluted in several forks, the stability of the network can get compromised.

I feel I will shut down my Mt.Gox account if this happens.

Ok, then send me your btc when you do.

As for living in reality, when high powered ASIC's are mainstream and the GPU's have gone to ltc, I want you to think long and hard about the life choices you made that got you to that point of regret.

Or are you one of those people who never accepts coins because it's a different kind of currency and doesn't fit in your wallet?

Do you lose sleep because you keep coins in the front of your pants and bills in the back?

You realize that at one point in human history, one person had eggs and another had grain. You could actually trade the eggs for grain. AND holy crap, you could even trade milk, for both!

get over yourself princess...
30  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Bitcoin viable, energy wise? on: April 25, 2013, 09:50:53 PM
Then how are you able to honestly say that btc uses more energy than any other currency?

That's completely BS. Look at all those countries that have gotten rid of small denominations in their currencies because they are not cost effective to continue to implement. Jeez, how did we ever go from copper, silver and gold to paper?

Can you think for even a moment in how much time, and money goes into just planning and designing paper money? The transportation and green house gases that are emitted just to truck that heavy crap around?

You can't honestly be serious with this analysis... Can you?


It's not bullshit at all.
All currency has a cost.
You can't compare bitcoin to paper money because bitcoin is not in use like paper money.
The fact that some countries get rid of the smaller denominations is completely unrelated to the cost of bitcoin.
Moreover, bitcoin does't have denominations of value. It is a broken comparison, whatever you may have wanted to tell with it.

Another reason why you can't compare fiat to bitcoin is the mechanics of making it work.
Money is re-usable while bitcoins are not.

Planning and designing paper money is something you do once (or once in a while). After that you can use the design as many times as you like.
The main costs of paper money are in the accounting and the energy of transporting it, not in its design or production.
To print a single dollar note of any value costs less than $0.1
After the printing the note can be used may times.
But you have the cars that are transporting them from place to place every day. But even then the transportation costs for these bulk transfers are fractions of percents of the total value transported so its still not much, relatively.

Compare that to bitcoin.
In bitcoin you have to pay every time you transfer value. Right now the client asks for 0.01 bitcoin which is about $1.56 per transaction. And then you still need to wait some time before the transaction happens.
So this is already quite a barrier for use as a currency and this is only the beginning.

And that is besides the fact that there are miners pissing away heaps of energy just to make it all work. The $1.56 doesn't actually cover the network because the fees are nothing compared to the block rewards. In other words, in the future when all income would need to come from fees the $1.56 will not be nearly enough to cover the costs of miners.

I think someone figured that mining a block of 25 bitcoin costs about $40 worth of energy at the moment.
That's about 1% of its current dollar value.
You could argue that a single bitcoin will be worth much more in the future and then the production costs will be relatively smaller.
But this is not true. Bitcoin value follows hashing power. The more energy expended the higher the price goes.
So to make bitcoin more valuable we first need to expend more energy on mining.

Think about these things and expand them to a substantial part of our economy and you may start to see my point.



I'm almost certain that if you spent as much time analyzing regular fiat currencies, you'd have answered all your questions by now. I guess my Harvard economics education was a complete waste of time and money.
I'm just here trolling on semantics. yea, that's right. I'm that bored with my life.  Roll Eyes
31  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Bitcoin viable, energy wise? on: April 25, 2013, 02:46:01 PM
It costs you very little energy to carry cash or a bank card. Bitcoin requires multiple computers and a whole lot of actual computation to even do one transaction. It is much more expensive energy wise than any other form of common currency.

Uh... How do you think your credit card works? [Hint: It requires multiple computers and a whole lot of actual computation to even do one transaction.]

Bazinga
32  Economy / Economics / Re: Early Retirement Extreme on: April 25, 2013, 02:44:17 PM

If dollars hyperinflate, then $100k may not buy much.

This is the stupidy of the deflation argument so often quoted on these forums, most people with any investments/wealth keep it in property/stocks/income generating assets. These assets largely outperform inflation, so real values go up not down over time.

Most people, especially in here, don't understand that most "assets" are not investments because they have been brainwashed by banks to think that their devalued car is an asset. Their house is an asset. And so on.
When in reality, if it were not for the housing bubble, most people would never see any kind of profit from a home sale. And you certainly cannot expect to profit from selling most cars. Yet banks view this form of chattel as something with value and therefore brainwash you to believe that you are making money by owning them and borrowing from the bank against them.

The stupidity of people never ceases to amaze.
33  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Bitcoin viable, energy wise? on: April 25, 2013, 02:19:15 PM
Then how are you able to honestly say that btc uses more energy than any other currency?

That's completely BS. Look at all those countries that have gotten rid of small denominations in their currencies because they are not cost effective to continue to implement. Jeez, how did we ever go from copper, silver and gold to paper?

Can you think for even a moment in how much time, and money goes into just planning and designing paper money? The transportation and green house gases that are emitted just to truck that heavy crap around?

You can't honestly be serious with this analysis... Can you?
34  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Bitcoin viable, energy wise? on: April 25, 2013, 01:55:48 PM
I'm noticing a fundamental flaw in most of the last couple pages of posts. Not necessarily the posts, but the posters.

You're crunching numbers to find that crux where it's no longer profitable to mine, with whatever mythical unicorn hardware you can imagine. But it seems you're missing the entire point to bitcoin.

Being completely wrapped up in profits was the reason that all the other currencies failed. Your short sighted view of how btc can change the world is the flaw, in your logic, or lack thereof.

Would it not be advisable to continue to hash away to keep your investment alive?

You sound like a bunch of drunks at the bar who certainly love to drink, but then hate to have to take yourself away from the eye candy to take a leak.

You'll need to see both sides of the bitcoin before you fully understand where this could take humanity. And for crying out loud, leave the last 5,000 years of currency trading at the door. This is a whole new era.
35  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Bitcoin viable, energy wise? on: April 25, 2013, 01:42:16 PM
If each btc has the potential to be valued at $1M and it reaches that value long before the inflation of electrical costs match, then yes.

But you see, I used the word 'potential'. If you're looking for market viability then you're seeing it as an investment. Otherwise you would see it and use terms that would describe it as a necessity.

Sounds more like you are unsure of yourself and your investment strategy. If so, how can any of us advise you? We don't know your hashing power. Your maintenance costs. Your Investment goals.

Fishing in a mud puddle won't get you much for dinner.
36  Economy / Economics / Re: Tool: Calculate the future value of a single Bitcoin on: April 25, 2013, 01:35:44 PM

And if price skyrockets, I guarantee that people will mostly want to SELL.


You're not a Joker, you're a clown.

How can you honestly say that you can guarantee anything? Especially what people want?

Guarantee me a sandwich. This bull is making me hungry.
37  Economy / Economics / Re: Mt Gox announces Litecoin in letter(sorry if repost) on: April 25, 2013, 01:32:22 PM
Welcome to a free and open market.

Let the market decide what the support of Litecoin trading says about Gox.

Amen to that
38  Economy / Economics / Re: Tool: Calculate the future value of a single Bitcoin on: April 25, 2013, 01:31:18 PM
Again - get real. 1% of the world economy is ~ 300,000,000,000.00USD.

That's 300 billion. The total amount of coins ever is going to be 84 million.

It means that in that rate a coin will be worth ~3571.42$ per coin.

If it goes so high inflation will destroy world's economy. It might go to 1000000$ per coin, then drop to 1000$ because there are no real money to cash you out!

Do you get it or shall I explain in more detail?

Let's get it a bit easier.


I honestly stopped reading the thread after I read to this part.

Firstly, how does 21M btc turn into 84M?

Secondly, those 21,000,000btc have 8 decimal places of fractions behind them making 2.1 quadrillion fractions that can be used for currency.

Let me make this a bit easier for you.

Your math is off. There is not enough currency on the planet to cover 2.1 quadrillion.
Btc for the win.
39  Economy / Economics / Re: how many bitcoin users are there? on: April 25, 2013, 01:11:19 PM
Users are owners. You cannot use something unless you possess it in some form.

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40  Economy / Economics / Re: Mt Gox announces Litecoin in letter(sorry if repost) on: April 25, 2013, 01:09:32 PM
Where and how can litecoins be spent?

I'm torn. On one hand I agree that it is bad for bitcoin, but on the other hand, F@*% litecoin. Mt.Gox sees an opportunity to make profit. They don't really care if litecoin is useful or not. They only see profit.
Can litecoin be used to buy anything? Even close to the buying power of bitcoin? Unless that comes to fruition, I don't see any threat in litecoin. Speculation will end up driving the price up and down wildly, a lot of intelligent people will profit and the morons will lose their shirts.
Welcome to a free and open market. Especially where the only regulations are the exchange house rules.
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