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tonight the pool hashrate could be back up to 250TH. That kind of swing in hashrate is as disruptive as a DDOS attack.
Why's that? As long as you're mining (and there's no evidence that hashrate swings affect the pool), your earnings only depend on your hashrate and the current difficulty. Who mentioned earnings This was a question about pool hash rate. If your earnings aren't affected, why is it "as disruptive as a DDOS attack"? my earnings are 1/3 what they were just 2 week ago because of increasing pool hash rate and difficulty increase. when I started here pool was 8 now were looking at 250... ![Roll Eyes](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/rolleyes.gif) Your earnings aren't directly affected by the pool hash rate; they're only affected by the difficulty. Of course, difficulty increases because of the overall hash rate increase, but during any difficulty round, increases in the pool (or total network) hash rate has no affect at all on your earnings. If you're only getting 1/3 from two weeks ago, you're probably just having bad luck at the moment. Difficulty then was a bit more that half of what it is now, so your earning should be about 1/2 (actually a little bit more).
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tonight the pool hashrate could be back up to 250TH. That kind of swing in hashrate is as disruptive as a DDOS attack.
Why's that? As long as you're mining (and there's no evidence that hashrate swings affect the pool), your earnings only depend on your hashrate and the current difficulty. Who mentioned earnings This was a question about pool hash rate. If your earnings aren't affected, why is it "as disruptive as a DDOS attack"?
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tonight the pool hashrate could be back up to 250TH. That kind of swing in hashrate is as disruptive as a DDOS attack.
Why's that? As long as you're mining (and there's no evidence that hashrate swings affect the pool), your earnings only depend on your hashrate and the current difficulty.
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Who is to say this usage is wrong? Just because some accountants/traders can't stand it when people use a term differently or less broadly than they do they get to decide it's wrong? Well that's just too bad, the world doesn't revolve around them. A return to me implies a profit and therefore making ROI means turning an investment into a profit. The same reason I would only say I have money on the bank when my bank account shows a positive balance.
That's like a postmodernist view of science - "hey dude, if you believe it, it's fine, there are no absolutes!". It's not just accountants and traders; if you ever run a business, or even get slightly involved in the running of one, you'd better know what ROI really means otherwise it's all going to end in tears... (It's no coincidence that mrb, who is certainly running a business here, knows precisely what ROI means).
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if anyone has the ability to also dDos ghash.io and 50btc right now.... they could control 51% of the network.....
DDoSing half of the network does not give you control of the other half.. no, but i bet it upped the income of those who weren't attacked. That's not true. Think about it: if the network hash rate (say) halves, then all network blocks (on average) will be solved at half the rate (20 minutes instead of 10 minutes at the default rate) but any particular hash rate that somebody can throw onto the network is going to earn the same that it did before at the current difficulty (obviously, people who are not hashing because they're attacked are going to earn nothing). DDoSing affects the block rate of the entire network, it doesn't affect an individual miner who is still hashing. Another way to think about it: if BTC Guild's rate halves (and you keep hashing because you switched to the private server), then your payment per shift will double (because there are half as many miners to share the reward between), but there will be half as many blocks to pay for them, so overall earnings are the same. The main effect of DDoSing is that the next difficulty rise will be lower, but every miner is affected by that in the same way.
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Geesh, it isn't bad enough that there is going to be a ton of new hashing power coming on line over the next week, they hafta take away what little i earn now with an attack? stoko!
Sorry, but there shouldn't have been any point during this attack when you couldn't hash (apart from the few tens of seconds taken for the rollover). My miners went from BTC Guild to 50BTC to Slush without missing a heartbeat. Now I've manually configured the private server as first in the failover chain (last is solo mining). You need to make sure you have an effective failover strategy in place. I'm mining here because my Bitfury rig wouldn't work on slush. I don't think that they can do rollover either. The attack sure did reek havoc on my charts. How to turn 25 Gh/s into 16 Gh/s without really trying ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) Are you using cgminer? no, i'm using the software that was imaged with the pi software. With cgminer there would be no problem with rollover. You're a software engineer (no such thing as retired in my book). I think you know what to do.
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Slush 50BTC BTC Guild GHash.io All DDoS'd at the same time. Will P2Pool save us? This is *very* suspicious and calls for attention ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) This has happened quite a few times over the last couple of years. In the end rollover to solo mining to keep the network safe. (And this is good opportunity to install and play with pool software if you're running an ASIC, since the client, of course, won't cope). Except, for many of us solo mining = no mining. There is a reason for pools. If the bitcoin network has been compromised because all the pools are down then there'll be no mining for you anyway; solo mining is the last resort that protects the network. This attack certainly never came anywhere near to downing all the pools so whatever. (Don't forget that failover strategy...)
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Geesh, it isn't bad enough that there is going to be a ton of new hashing power coming on line over the next week, they hafta take away what little i earn now with an attack? stoko!
Sorry, but there shouldn't have been any point during this attack when you couldn't hash (apart from the few tens of seconds taken for the rollover). My miners went from BTC Guild to 50BTC to Slush without missing a heartbeat. Now I've manually configured the private server as first in the failover chain (last is solo mining). You need to make sure you have an effective failover strategy in place. I'm mining here because my Bitfury rig wouldn't work on slush. I don't think that they can do rollover either. The attack sure did reek havoc on my charts. How to turn 25 Gh/s into 16 Gh/s without really trying ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) Are you using cgminer?
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Geesh, it isn't bad enough that there is going to be a ton of new hashing power coming on line over the next week, they hafta take away what little i earn now with an attack? stoko!
Sorry, but there shouldn't have been any point during this attack when you couldn't hash (apart from the few tens of seconds taken for the rollover). My miners went from BTC Guild to 50BTC to Slush without missing a heartbeat. Now I've manually configured the private server as first in the failover chain (last is solo mining). You need to make sure you have an effective failover strategy in place.
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because if the pool isnt finding blocks, there is no payout to share
It's finding blocks fine at the moment. Check blockchain.info. The private server is working great.
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Slush 50BTC BTC Guild GHash.io All DDoS'd at the same time. Will P2Pool save us? This is *very* suspicious and calls for attention ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) This has happened quite a few times over the last couple of years. In the end rollover to solo mining to keep the network safe. (And this is good opportunity to install and play with pool software if you're running an ASIC, since the client, of course, won't cope).
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Slush Pool, too?!
Slush is working at the moment, but did have some website 503s a few hours ago (didn't affect mining); my miners have currently failed-over to it from BTC Guild and 50BTC. But you can probably expect it to be seriously attacked at some point. The attackers seem to be working their way through the popular pools. Make sure you have a good failover strategy.
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I too was scratching my head. Had just moved one whole section of the rig to a new machine just as the ddos started. Cgminer has a bad habit of hanging on a black screen if it can't connect, so I was unplugging sections and screwing with drivers for a good hour until bfgminer told me what was wrong. Lol
But a real question - is it true that no blocks have been mined for several hours, or is the reporting just affected by the attack?
untrue, there was a 44 minute between blocks, often we go over 1 hour when there are no attacks happening https://blockchain.info/ shows time between blocks I haven't seen any BTC Guild blocks on blockchain.info any time that I've looked today and the pool stats indicate that the last one was nearly six hours ago. Are you saying that there was one more recently? Can you point to it in the block chain? Edit: apart from the one that just happened, that is. btcguild isnt the only pool that finds blocks ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) Everybody knows that! But this is the BTC Guild thread after all and it's clear what the poster was asking about (i.e. time since the last BTC Guild block, if you need a further clue).
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I too was scratching my head. Had just moved one whole section of the rig to a new machine just as the ddos started. Cgminer has a bad habit of hanging on a black screen if it can't connect, so I was unplugging sections and screwing with drivers for a good hour until bfgminer told me what was wrong. Lol
But a real question - is it true that no blocks have been mined for several hours, or is the reporting just affected by the attack?
untrue, there was a 44 minute between blocks, often we go over 1 hour when there are no attacks happening https://blockchain.info/ shows time between blocks I haven't seen any BTC Guild blocks on blockchain.info any time that I've looked today and the pool stats indicate that the last one was nearly six hours ago. Are you saying that there was one more recently? Can you point to it in the block chain? Edit: apart from the one that just happened, that is. Further edit: Last two blocks in pool stats (Times are in UTC) 21248 260918 2013-09-30 03:41:46 PM 21247 260872 2013-09-30 08:59:04 AM
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[Good vibes mode] Look on the bright side, the pool is doing better and better today. First a 16 hrs block next a 6 hrs now 2.5 hrs next ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) Do the math (maths?) [/Good vibes mode] @ Trongersol : Blades are happy 99.5% efficiency on Slush.... uptime 9 days now. This is known as "regression to the mean" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean). The next value after an extreme value is likely to be closer to the mean value. Mean block time for Slush is (about) 2.5 hours.
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an aside, when did maths become acceptible? math is short for mathematics which is a plural. Maths would be a plural plural. ![Huh](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/huh.gif) "Maths" is short for "mathematics". "Math" is short for "mathematic", or possibly "aftermath". ![Grin](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/grin.gif) It is a stramge new world, this internet, where conventions get changed at the drop of a hat. It must be the international aspect, where what we've learned becomes myopic. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) "Math" is American English; "Maths" is British English. It's hardly a new convention (being first and all...).
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well i have an avalon and at 80Ghash average im earning roughly 0.8BTC.. so doing the maths 100Ghash would get me 1BTC today...im not sure what your doing wrong or what pool your on, but you seem to be missing out on some profit
Well, you must be in an extremely lucky pool. Hash rate is close to 1000 THash/s; at 3600 BTC per day, a 100 GHash/s miner would get about 0.4 BTC per day. (And, indeed, that's close to my Avalon's current rate - 1 BTC per day hasn't been the case since last month).
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I know what they're supposed to pull ... Looking for a measurement though ;/
My one is running at about 345 MHz and is pulling 1040 W from the wall.
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In fact, it could take more than a day... According to what i have read, it could actually take even more than 3 days to be fully processed.
Indeed it could. But as well as reading about it, you could actually try it. The last transaction I sent with zero-fee was clearing out a mtgox account of about 1 BTC a couple of weeks ago; it took 26 hours to make it into a block. Of course 'fully processed', I presume, is six blocks which is going to happen automatically after the first block and only depends on block-solving variance (which affects everyone and should normally be complete in about an hour).
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Black Arrow delivered FPGA miners in May (pretty much on schedule), so they do have a track record of delivering 'mining hardware'.
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