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A several hours ago I sent BTC from my Jaxx iOS wallet to my paper wallet. It didnt even get 1 confirmation
Checking later it gave me on the website that there is no such transaction
Its almost 30 hours now, rechecking it shows previous transfers to this address confirmed and not even
showing my latest transaction even unconfirmed.
So, I understand it should be confirmed or rejected and showing again on my Jaxx wallet
Where did my BTC go? How can I get it back?
Anything wrong with BTC blockchain network?
I’m worried its over with BTC though I dont wish so and wish it wil come out stronger.
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@spendulus,
Yes, it’s all about confusion, politics as usual,
But for me I see it’s all about “making money”, both sides think as such, not actually improving bitcoin.
Sorry to be honest and clear, this is what I think, I may be wrong, both parties care in the first place about money, their own money. If it was about bitcoin there would have been exchanged discussions and serious technical talk, not exchanged insults between the 2 sides.
Sorry. No offense to anybody.
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Thanks greenbits
I am still having a problem to figure out if any blockchain will die, both survive, which will be the “real” BTC.
There are lots and lots of writings, both sides claiming the other blockchain will die, the other crypto will be of no value, it is all politics unfortunately...
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Just wondering, as I am reading a lot about Fork risks especially with bitcoin gold.
I have the private keys (the 12 words) safely stored.
What if I simply uninstall the wallet that has my BTC (it is Jaxx by the way) before the fork, then reinstall later and recover from the 12 keywords. Would that be ok or will be risk?
Would my BTC remain BTC or can accidentally be changed to BTG?
What safest wallet?
Your help highly appreciated.
First of all. The "12 words" is not the private key(s). Very different. Read BIP38. Rather than "believe" that the 12 words will restore correctly after a reinstall, why not go to the core of the issue. See if you can dump your private keys, then store them on paper. Thanks for clarification I already had all BTC in a paper Whaley stored safely, where I have the qr code for both the private key and public key. I’ll see later which wallet I will import to after things get settled or get cleare. I read on bread wallet “What this means is that unless you tether your app to a node of your choosing (a powerful feature that is available within the app today), your Bread will end up interacting with whichever chain has the most miners..” Hopefully there will be a safe way not to lose coins and not to lose value. |
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@daberti,
Sorry, I didn’t mean any complications.
I am just not thatt techie... all what I read are probably, perhaps, maybe, hopefully, undecided... all these doesn’t fit with me.
I just moved all BTC to paper wallet.
Seems to me Bread wallet has some plans for letting users decide which chain they want to transact on.
I’ll wait and see.
Thanks
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NOT true at all. When the conditions at my post above will be met, in order to claim your BTG yo'll have to do something like this https://electrum.org/bcc2.txtAs far as B2X is concerned you didn't read my post where I documented that Jaxx is part of the NYA http://segwit.party/nya/Move them ASAP to i.e. Electrum to avoid troubles as B2X has no Replay Protection at all. So, you say that I should move all BTC to paper wallet? Ok, after the B2X fork (say mid December), I might need to buy some more BTC or B2X (if BTC died) and B2X replaced it. What would be the destiny of my BTC paper wallet? Please look at my post https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2264088.msg23447513#msg23447513 and comment here on this thread, what you think about my estimation/analysis. For convenience, here is what I wrote there: So, I understand the following is correct:
1- I will simply keep my BTC in Jaxx mobile wallet.
2- As of 23 October I will not buy, sell, send, recieive or even move or import between wallets or addresses.
3- 1st December I am having “on the ledgers” say 5 BTC and 5 BTG, and 5 B2X
4- I am having my private keys for BTC in Jaxx wallet.
5 BTC are already in my Jaxx wallet.
BTG block chain exists definetly with its own exchange rate
I assume by 1st December the dust would have settled and we have one of the following situations:
1- BTC or B2X is dead and equal zero, that is, one of them will not be existing, the survivor will be called Bitcoin and BTC (whether it is the 1 MB or the new 2 MB), and it will have the same market price of BTC.
2- BTC only exists (so business as usual, as if there was no segwit2x)
3- B2X only exists (so I have 5 airdropped B2X, with its market value, and 5 BTC are gone)
4- Both BTC and B2X coexists, and I have 5 BTC and 5 B2X (it is up to the market to give the price for each, but the market might support B2X for faster confirmation and lower transaction fee), if so, I assume 1 BTC+1 B2X will be equal to roughly the 6000 USD current market price (assuming no price change till then)
Then remains the question about the replay of the transaction, how would I send all my BTC funds on the 1st December to another BTC address in another wallet and be sure it will be received and executed as BTC during the transaction?
I should then after emptying my Jaxx wallet, install a B2X wallet and import the Jaxx wallet so I get the airdropped 5 B2X in it.
Am I correct in this analysis?
Sorry, it is technically complicated for me.
What do you think? |
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Thanks guys,
The main concern I see is the replay protection for both B2X and BTG.
So, simply having BTC in Jaxx where I have my private keys should not be a problem.
But, what if Jaxx decided after the fork(s) to follow the new blockchains and not the BTC blockchain? This means that my BTC will be automatically converted to the new chain! Then if B2X is 0.5 BTC then my “money” will be valued at half, 500 usd instead of 1000 usd.
It is so critical. What is the best way not to lose BTC or lose value (in usd)?
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Now, I have my BTC in a paper wallet before BTG Fork, plus some in Jaxx after the BTG fork.
Still couldn’t find a way to claim my BTG... anybody knows howto?
For the next fork B2X, should I move my latest BTC from Jaxx to paper wallet before the B2X fork?
How to claim the B2X?
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I believe the have cloudflare.. I’m not sure but I assume it protects against ddos, and heavy traffic... right?
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Maybe someone can explain how their website https://btcgpu.org currently inaccessible, 403, forbidden! Is there really abitcoingold currency, is there a blockchain for it that really exists? Some concrete evidence and explanations please. |
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I think the best way to keep your Bitcoin during fork is on hard wallet or paper wallet. But since I don't have any of this, I decided to use my Bitcoin to buy more alts during fork because that is the right time to buy more alts due to cheaper prices. I will wait till its prices rise again after the fork. I don't suggest that you keep your Bitcoin on exchange wallets. It is too risky for me. Better to put it in an offline wallet or downloadable wallets if you don't have hard wallets or paper wallets.
I have already moved a day ago to paper wallet. But why you think about the calculation above? |
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Ok, apart from malware and hacking, my worry is mainly about the effect of fork, replay protection... etc.
Any difference between paper wallet then importing it after the fork and keeping BTC in the wallet?
I can't see any difference in that respect. The two forks are slightly different as Bitcoin Gold will use different addresses it has replay protection. You will have to take the same precautions with your private keys whatever wallet you use. Make sure you move your BTC to a new wallet after the fork then move the new coins as soon as you can. So, I understand the following is correct: 1- I will simply keep my BTC in Jaxx mobile wallet. 2- As of 23 October I will not buy, sell, send, recieive or even move or import between wallets or addresses. 3- 1st December I am having “on the ledgers” say 5 BTC and 5 BTG, and 5 B2X 4- I am having my private keys for BTC in Jaxx wallet. 5 BTC are already in my Jaxx wallet. BTG block chain exists definetly with its own exchange rate I assume by 1st December the dust would have settled and we have one of the following situations: 1- BTC or B2X is dead and equal zero, that is, one of them will not be existing, the survivor will be called Bitcoin and BTC (whether it is the 1 MB or the new 2 MB), and it will have the same market price of BTC. 2- BTC only exists (so business as usual, as if there was no segwit2x) 3- B2X only exists (so I have 5 airdropped B2X, with its market value, and 5 BTC are gone) 4- Both BTC and B2X coexists, and I have 5 BTC and 5 B2X (it is up to the market to give the price for each, but the market might support B2X for faster confirmation and lower transaction fee), if so, I assume 1 BTC+1 B2X will be equal to roughly the 6000 USD current market price (assuming no price change till then) Then remains the question about the replay of the transaction, how would I send all my BTC funds on the 1st December to another BTC address in another wallet and be sure it will be received and executed as BTC during the transaction? I should then after emptying my Jaxx wallet, install a B2X wallet and import the Jaxx wallet so I get the airdropped 5 B2X in it. Am I correct in this analysis? Sorry, it is technically complicated for me. Any comments highly appreciated. Hoping the above calculation holds true and contribute to calming down the nervous people Now, as we already had a fork, would anybody like to review the above “theory” or calculation? |
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Ok, apart from malware and hacking, my worry is mainly about the effect of fork, replay protection... etc.
Any difference between paper wallet then importing it after the fork and keeping BTC in the wallet?
I can't see any difference in that respect. The two forks are slightly different as Bitcoin Gold will use different addresses it has replay protection. You will have to take the same precautions with your private keys whatever wallet you use. Make sure you move your BTC to a new wallet after the fork then move the new coins as soon as you can. So, I understand the following is correct: 1- I will simply keep my BTC in Jaxx mobile wallet. 2- As of 23 October I will not buy, sell, send, recieive or even move or import between wallets or addresses. 3- 1st December I am having “on the ledgers” say 5 BTC and 5 BTG, and 5 B2X 4- I am having my private keys for BTC in Jaxx wallet. 5 BTC are already in my Jaxx wallet. BTG block chain exists definetly with its own exchange rate I assume by 1st December the dust would have settled and we have one of the following situations: 1- BTC or B2X is dead and equal zero, that is, one of them will not be existing, the survivor will be called Bitcoin and BTC (whether it is the 1 MB or the new 2 MB), and it will have the same market price of BTC. 2- BTC only exists (so business as usual, as if there was no segwit2x) 3- B2X only exists (so I have 5 airdropped B2X, with its market value, and 5 BTC are gone) 4- Both BTC and B2X coexists, and I have 5 BTC and 5 B2X (it is up to the market to give the price for each, but the market might support B2X for faster confirmation and lower transaction fee), if so, I assume 1 BTC+1 B2X will be equal to roughly the 6000 USD current market price (assuming no price change till then) Then remains the question about the replay of the transaction, how would I send all my BTC funds on the 1st December to another BTC address in another wallet and be sure it will be received and executed as BTC during the transaction? I should then after emptying my Jaxx wallet, install a B2X wallet and import the Jaxx wallet so I get the airdropped 5 B2X in it. Am I correct in this analysis? Sorry, it is technically complicated for me. Any comments highly appreciated. Hoping the above calculation holds true and contribute to calming down the nervous people |
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Reasons why Bitcoin still safe because of Alt Coins and so does Hard Forks. The first Hard Fork (Bitcoin Cash) was successful and not only to compete top digital currencies but to help Bitcoin to raise the slope of the graph to the top. So then the upcoming Hard Fork (Bitcoin Gold) although nothings' new but basically some good features will be on the pack. These are meant to keep Bitcoin push higher investments rather than destroying it that was mentioned earlier after the first fork.
So, you are sure it is ok after segwit2x Fork? |
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Just wondering, as I am reading a lot about Fork risks especially with bitcoin gold.
I have the private keys (the 12 words) safely stored.
What if I simply uninstall the wallet that has my BTC (it is Jaxx by the way) before the fork, then reinstall later and recover from the 12 keywords. Would that be ok or will be risk?
Would my BTC remain BTC or can accidentally be changed to BTG?
What safest wallet?
Your help highly appreciated.
Do not panic my friend since the fork can only affect those bitcoin transactions that are being made during the fork. So as long as you keep you coins in your wallet there will be no problem. Another thing is that you do not need to uninstall your wallet, that is just a waste of time. If you are really worried that much then you should not connect your computer that has your wallet to the internet. This is not necessary but if it can calm your mind then you are free to do it. Thanks @Mandoy Then, I’ll just go to sleep now, and wake up by 1st December... or better by the new year? |
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why "prevent access"?
it is a free market and everyone is free to create anything they want and the decentralized community will decide its faith as it has done already with bitcoin cash or any of the others.
at some point even harmful attacks on bitcoin are good. they help us find the vulnerabilities and fix them before the mass adoption.
in the end, bitcoin is still an experiment. and the software is still in Beta even if it is worth a lot of money!
Prevent access, just to protect our money, our BTC from being simply hijacked. Unless you agree with me on my other post that anyway I will be ending up with some cryptocoin(s) with the same fiat value as in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2264088.msg23342509#msg23342509Hope you tell me what you think. |
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Maybe the BTC developers do something to really PREVENT claiming any of the forks, this way nobody wil have the new coins or trade them, no mining, no transaction, no forks.. they will simply be born dead.
you can not prevent forking of an open source project under MIT license without changing these two vital aspects. you either should make it closed source, which doesn't even make sense for something like bitcoin. or you have to change the license to prevent people legally forking the project, which again doesn't make any sense because bitcoin does not belong to developers or anyone else for that matter to change the "license" of it! forks of bitcoin is nothing new. the only problem they can cause, to my knowledge, is if they take bitcoin's hashrate back and forth like what BCH did for a very short time. Thanks for commenting. I am 1000% proponent of open source and p2p. I never mentioned anything about making it closed source. I was just thinking if there is a way to prevent accessing the B2X or exchanging it even for BTC. If it is not accessible, nobody claimed it, no transactions... it is dead. |
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Getting an answer is really vital for me. According to it I will know what I should do.
I was initially thinking of just keeping them on my mobile wallet and sleeping till mid December and then see how are things going.
@limopc Dreams were fantastic, thanks  IMHO keeping BTC in a mobile wallet is NOT a responsible decision right now. Desktop wallet with private keys saved in two distinct storage devices. Desktop wallet should have the way to show you the network you're in (BTC or BTG). Another related matter: if we want to take advantage of what has been implemented ( https://github.com/bitcoin/bitcoin/pull/10982) we all have to have the Bitcoin Core >0.15 up and running ASAP. Even with a zero balance on it. Enable pruning with a decent size (i.e. 10GB) if you cannot afford the normal setup disk space requirements. 👍 Please see my latest comment at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2264088.new#new and tell me what you think? |
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Ok, apart from malware and hacking, my worry is mainly about the effect of fork, replay protection... etc.
Any difference between paper wallet then importing it after the fork and keeping BTC in the wallet?
I can't see any difference in that respect. The two forks are slightly different as Bitcoin Gold will use different addresses it has replay protection. You will have to take the same precautions with your private keys whatever wallet you use. Make sure you move your BTC to a new wallet after the fork then move the new coins as soon as you can. So, I understand the following is correct: 1- I will simply keep my BTC in Jaxx mobile wallet. 2- As of 23 October I will not buy, sell, send, recieive or even move or import between wallets or addresses. 3- 1st December I am having “on the ledgers” say 5 BTC and 5 BTG, and 5 B2X 4- I am having my private keys for BTC in Jaxx wallet. 5 BTC are already in my Jaxx wallet. BTG block chain exists definetly with its own exchange rate I assume by 1st December the dust would have settled and we have one of the following situations: 1- BTC or B2X is dead and equal zero, that is, one of them will not be existing, the survivor will be called Bitcoin and BTC (whether it is the 1 MB or the new 2 MB), and it will have the same market price of BTC. 2- BTC only exists (so business as usual, as if there was no segwit2x) 3- B2X only exists (so I have 5 airdropped B2X, with its market value, and 5 BTC are gone) 4- Both BTC and B2X coexists, and I have 5 BTC and 5 B2X (it is up to the market to give the price for each, but the market might support B2X for faster confirmation and lower transaction fee), if so, I assume 1 BTC+1 B2X will be equal to roughly the 6000 USD current market price (assuming no price change till then) Then remains the question about the replay of the transaction, how would I send all my BTC funds on the 1st December to another BTC address in another wallet and be sure it will be received and executed as BTC during the transaction? I should then after emptying my Jaxx wallet, install a B2X wallet and import the Jaxx wallet so I get the airdropped 5 B2X in it. Am I correct in this analysis? Sorry, it is technically complicated for me. |
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Just curious and not that geeky
If I created a paper wallet and transfers all my BTC to its public address, after the fork sometime I will need to import the paper wallet by scanning the private key.
So, what’s the difference between this procedure and simply keeping the BTC in a mobile wallet that has the private keys stored on the mobile?
Is there any difference?
The mobile is connected to the internet and therefore your private keys could be compromised by malware. Obviously, a piece of paper is not connected to the internet. You need to take care of the safe storage of the paper and have a copy in another location to be safe as possible. Ok, apart from malware and hacking, my worry is mainly about the effect of fork, replay protection... etc. Any difference between paper wallet then importing it after the fork and keeping BTC in the wallet? |
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