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21  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is there least effect of whale manipulation on bitcoin among all crypto coins ? on: July 11, 2024, 07:00:58 PM
Bitcoin is popular among huge population all over the world while the demand  for altcoins is limited. Does this mean there is least effect of whale manipulation on bitcoin among all crypto coins ?
As for Altcoins, I don't think it's impossible for marketcap manipulation to occur, but with Bitcoin I haven't found a strong reason that can confirm that Bitcoin can be manipulated. The repeated sentence is not none, but a little.
You can do the rest yourself. The level of difficulty whales have in manipulating the altcoin market is different when they try to do it on the Bitcoin market.
Altcoin marketcap who is willing to pay more.
22  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Copa America 2024 Prediction Thread on: July 08, 2024, 06:38:22 PM
Argentina destroyed canada 2-0 during the group stage. But i never expected they are gonna meet again in the semi-final. And i think the same story will repeat itself again soon. Im rooting argentina to win the game against canada, and this is gonna be a very easy game for argentina.

Canada was lucky enough in the group stage because of barceloa missed many opportunities to score. Canada should have been conceded 3-5 goals if Barcelona had not missed lots of chances. And for the last, i predict argentina is gonna win the match against canada with 2-0 as the least score.
I also didn't think that Canada would be able to advance to the semifinals, and once again they will fight against Argentina. The match in the group phase might be a lesson for Canada, so they can prepare a strategy to anticipate Argentina. Maybe Argentina will not be able to win with a big score because there might be a comprehensive evaluation from Canada. But since there are quite big differences between Argentina and Canada, I think the result will still be the same.
Even though Canada is not a tough opponent, Argentina cannot underestimate Canada for any reason. Canada reached the semifinals because they deserved it, that means Canada did a very good job and they can advance to the final if they are able to maintain their performance. Even if Argentina's squad depth is much better than Canada's, both teams have both qualified for the semifinals using the same scenario.

I can probably expect a final match between Uruguay vs Agentina for the 2024 Copa America, but it is still difficult to predict whether Agentina and Uruguay can both beat their opponents in the semifinals. The probability of Argentina winning over Canada is very high, but Uruguay and Colombia are almost the same and this is why this match is still considered difficult to predict.
23  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers➡Group Stage➡1/8➡QF➡HF➡FINAL on: July 08, 2024, 06:20:30 PM
What a boring days are the ones with no games in it.

About the games who comes, for me are gonna be like the last games in this euros, pure fierce games and pure battle games, no one is gonna take so much advantage and i expect to see at least one draw after the regular time.

Penalties? Maybe is starting to be a normal one in this euro 2024.
Every semi-final match is very difficult to predict now, in fact I have to admit and agree that in all probability the penalties would seem reasonable to determine who will progress to the final. The France vs Spain match is the most exciting one to look forward to, but the England vs Netherlands match will also be great.

France and England have basically not performed very well so far, but both teams have a lot of good players who in turn can be dangerous for any opponent. Spain and the Netherlands have to be very careful, but each team should not underestimate each other and say something that is not important to their opponent.
24  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin is performing just fine currently on: July 07, 2024, 08:19:37 PM
I got to know about Bitcoin since 2015, and started investing the same year. From then till now is a huge difference. But the thing is, every year there are people who are buying at the new price, or maybe old investors who have withdrawn profit and are starting all over again, they will always have a high expectation of price for Bitcoin, because they all want to make profit from their current investment, that's why you will always see people complain about the price.
Yes. The price from one year ago doesn't matter for someone who started buying few months ago. If he bought BTC for 60,000$, he will want to see it at 70,000$ or 80,000$, so he can call it a profit. Also, even for early investors it's annoying to see Bitcoin returning to previous price marks, because time is money, and the longer they hold, it means less time they are going to have to do what they would like with the money. If you hold for few years, you surely will want to see according profit after that time period, otherwise the investment won't be considered profitable or worthful.
In reality, not all bitcoin holders currently have big targets for their profits, while some of them have made bitcoin a store of value compared to fiat. Bitcoin is better than fiat whose value continues to lose over time, of course this is the reason why bitcoin was chosen as a store of value when fiat experienced quite severe inflation.

Most investors certainly target profits that are commensurate with their investment time frame, but as long as they make a profit there is no point in complaining and they should be able to sell it based on their needs and desires. There is a time to buy, accumulate and convert into fiat, while there is a time to reinvest when the market has several cycles that can be exploited.
25  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: How long have you been gambling in sports? on: July 07, 2024, 08:09:44 PM
I think we all have our own way of gambling on sports betting and it definitely varies. Some gamblers only bet on the favorite team in a match although they have to consider low multiples because the odds are low, but these tend to be winnable. Some other gamblers consider high odds to be a higher risk of losing.

I tend to bet on favorite teams especially on my own team. Whoever the opponent is, I still support them and if I have to bet then I don't like playing against my own team. This is also a habit of other gamblers on sports betting so I am not the only one to have this kind of approach to gambling.
26  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: July 07, 2024, 08:01:52 PM
Speaking of City, apart from having a very competitive depth of players, they also have an extraordinary coach with a wealth of tactics and systems that have proven to be effective. Naturally, Pep Guardiola has built a strong foundation for his team, so it is very natural that it will always be quite a difficult challenge for his rival teams to compete with Manchester City. Not only Arsenal, even Liverpool also had difficulty breaking City's dominance. Well, both Arteta and Arne Slot, who are currently managing Liverpool, will make efforts to make their team look much better than before. The aim is none other than to become the team at the top of the rankings.
The average player owned by Man City actually has similarities to the players owned by other teams, but Pep Guardiola is able to make them develop and he has good abilities to improve the quality of existing players. Pep Guardiola's quality is indeed not in doubt and he is one of the coaches who has above average quality so that wherever he is he can always make his team stronger.

Arteta must have a special strategy next season if he doesn't want to fail again and to break Man City's dominance, Arteta must not lose concentration like the previous season. I hope there are some other teams that can compete for the championship next season and not only Man City who always dominate.
In the Premier League, only Pep Guardiola managed to bring his team to win 4 titles in a row, even Ferguson, who was known as the greatest coach of his time, was never able to do it. Everyone recognizes Pep Guardiola's greatness in coaching a team, but perhaps not those who have negative sentiments towards him.

Pep Guardiola always wins titles with every team he coaches in 3 different leagues. In fact, I really believe that Pep Guardiola can also win titles in Serie A and Ligue 1 if he is challenged to coach a team there in the future. However, Guardiola will not always be able to maintain his team's dominance in the Premier League and there will come a time when other teams such as Arsenal, Manchester United, Liverpool or other teams will thwart their efforts during the season.
27  Local / Trading dan Spekulasi / Re: Distribusi BTC dari Mt Gox, Kesempatan Serok? on: July 06, 2024, 07:37:59 PM
Kmpret emamg, ini tiap ada koreksi kyk nunggu saya gk punya duit dulu
Hehehe saya teringat dengan teman-teman saya dulu ketika koreksi datang, mereka mengeluh jika tidak punya uang. Uangnya sudah dipakai untuk membeli Bitcoin dan koin-koin lainnya tapi sayangnya mereka membeli di harga tinggi dan tidak menyangka jika koreksi yang datang akan terlalu dalam. Itu membuat mereka bersedih dan hanya bisa melewatkan kesempatan emas yang datang. Tapi jangan khawatir, masih ada banyak kesempatan lainnya untuk membeli Bitcoin dan koin-koin lainnya di harga yang murah. Cukup nikmatin saja jalannya pergerakan pasar sekarang dan kalau masih ada Bitcoin, lebih baik disimpan saja sambil menunggu harganya naik tinggi lagi.
Kesempatan untuk akumulasi telah terbuka lebar selama 2 hari terakhir, tetapi sayangnya tidak semua orang telah bersiap dengan situasi ini. Ketiadaan modal adalah salah satu penyebab mengapa orang-orang ini tidak bisa melakukan akumulasi, tetapi jika mereka benar-benar yakin tentang pertumbuhan pasar dalam jangka panjang, maka tidak ada salahnya menjual beberapa barang yang jarang pakai yang sebelumnya dipersiapkan sebagai anggaran cadangan. Tentu saja ini hanyalah opsi yang mungkin dapat saya pertimbangkan untuk diri saya sendiri, tidak berarti orang lain perlu mengimplementasikannya juga.

Saya bisa menjual emas (anggaran cadangan) untuk melakukan akumulasi. Sementara jika harga kembali pulih, maka keuntungan yang saya dapatkan akan saya konversi menjadi emas kembali agar anggaran cadangan akan tetap ada. Ini bukan nasihat keuangan untuk pengguna lain, tentu saja.
28  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Setelah 10 Tahun Membuat Larangan Pada Bitcoin, Akhirnya Bolivia Melepasnya on: July 06, 2024, 07:23:47 PM
Semakin banyak negara yang melegalkan bitcoin maka semakin baik bagi pertumbuhan dan perkembangan bitcoin dalam kasus penggunaan nyata. Adopsi bisa diharapkan menjadi bagian dari regulasi baru di Bolivia, tetapi mereka masih perlu melakukan analisa dan berbagai bentuk persiapan daripada hanya meniru negara lain yang sebelumnya sudah lebih dulu melakukannya. Terlepas dari apapun alasan pemerintah Bolivia dalam meregulasi ulang bitcoin di negaranya, ini pantas disambut baik.
29  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Gambling: games with fast results or games with a long process on: July 06, 2024, 07:15:31 PM
A quick game for quick wins and losses is dice. I don't like to say that slots can make you win quickly, dice are one of the fastest in my opinion. Slots and Dice are two interesting games that are based on luck, but many gamblers tend to like slots because of their appearance which provides an interesting visualization effect.

Slots, blackjack, dice, sportsbook are some of the games that interest me, but poker and roulette don't attract my attention as much. If I could name one of the most interesting, I think sportsbook would be one of them.
30  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers➡Group Stage➡1/8➡QF➡HF➡FINAL on: July 06, 2024, 06:57:48 PM
Saka magic moment was on the 80th minutes which put them back to the game. The goal was the first shot on target telling how bad the match has being for England today. England won their last match that entended to 30 minutes extra time, will this match be the same for them.

After 30 minutes, if non of them are able to score, it will be a penalty shootout but I am seeing Switzerland trying to see how they can win the match without playing penalties.
Switzerland scored the first goal of the match in the 75th minute. Bukayo Saka equalized the match after just 5 minutes. Saka scored a fantastic goal. Saka scored from Declan Rice's assist.

I didn't expect the England vs Switzerland match to be very competitive. Because I have not seen the England team play very well in the past matches. As usual, England's overall performance in today's match is quite slow. Bellingham and Harry Kane are not playing well. If this pair would have been able to perform well then England's attack would have become stronger.
Another one of the tough matches at Euro 2024 has finished in dramatic fashion. England managed to progress to the next round after winning 5-3 in the penalty shootout, but I didn't expect the match to really be that difficult for them.

England really deserved to go through to the semi-finals when they have so many quality players in their squad, but so far England have been difficult to hope for at times. But congratulations, today they have done a good job and qualified for the semifinals. Just one more tough game before the final whether against the Netherlands or Türkiye.

I could not be satisfied with the performance of England and Switzerland in this match. We all expected better gameplay from these two teams.
England have always been like that, but at Euro 2024 they seem to be favorites going into the final. Of course they fought hard with all the abilities and quality of their players, it paid off by qualifying for the semifinals.
31  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers➡Group Stage➡1/8➡QF➡HF➡FINAL on: July 05, 2024, 08:57:08 PM
Meanwhile France and Portugual they are playing their final and the game is still open with a result of 0 - 0.

Another extra time game?
I thought that was because both teams had not found a goal until injury time. Both teams have strong defenses and the performance of both goalkeepers is also very good, so extra time is what will happen now.

France vs Portugal is a tough match, but the performance of both teams tends to be the same so far. Both coaches rotated to improve the intensity of the attack, but France improved in the second half. Camavinga, Dembele and Mbappe still failed to score, as did Muani and Kante with several opportunities. I hope Portugal can score goals in 2x15 and win this match. But I really don't like that Ronaldo is still isolated in this match.
32  Economy / Speculation / Re: Will the Bitcoin decline caused by Mt. Gox find support around $52,000? on: July 05, 2024, 08:44:07 PM
Depending on the amount that they are trying to sell, it’s usually going to go even lower if that happens. I just hope that the people who bought at the top would be able to continue holding. I really feel that we could’ve reached even higher with BTC soon. It’s just retest and it will come full circle, I hope.
Over the last 30 days, the mentality of bitcoin holders has been truly tested. Maybe not just in the last 30 days, but in the last 30 days, this has been the worst. Prices have fallen by 20% or more, but now the big hope is for recovery. Of course it will take a lot of time for the market to recover and test resistance of $60k or above again, but as long as panic and worry are still very high then recovery is still difficult to expect. The market will definitely recover, but not now.
33  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers➡Group Stage➡1/8➡QF➡HF➡FINAL on: July 05, 2024, 07:49:30 PM
Unfortunately hosts Germany had to be defeated by Spain and advanced to the next round. The match was very tense and there were buying and selling attacks, and Germain played very impressively, but unfortunately at the end of extra time in the second half after the score was tied at 1-1, Mikel Merino was able to score a goal with a header in the 119th minute and changed the score to 2- 1. And made Spain qualify for the next round.
The quarter-final match will be interesting and exciting and this applies to all countries, and I think Portugal's next match against France will be even more interesting and tense.
Germany lost 2-1 after they forced Spain to play for 120 minutes. I wasn't really surprised by the result, but Germany was really good in the second half. The pressure created by Germany in the second half meant that Spain had to work hard to secure the goal, but the goal they were after finally appeared a few minutes before the end of the second half.

Germany were basically more worthy of winning the game when they came from behind, but they had to give up and fall short at home when Mikel Merino made perfect use of an assist from Olmo. We can see that the fans and players were very disappointed in the end, while it was different for the Spanish camp. Congratulations to Spain, respect to Germany.
34  Economy / Speculation / Re: Buy more Bitcoin when downward on: July 05, 2024, 07:39:00 PM
The current decline is very deep, I didn't expect it to be as drastic as it is now, currently the price of Bitcoin has fallen to 54k and I think if we wait for the price spike it will take a little longer.
And for those who buy and keep it for a long period of time/invest for the future, of course during a drastic decline like this is a pretty good time to buy as much as possible.
Even though the price of Bitcoin is currently slightly down, you should be in a buying trend because the bull run is imminent. You should make the most of these dips and buy more bitcoin as you see your investment stronger. You keep increasing the amount of bitcoin stack that can fetch higher value in the future. Basically, you can increase the size of your Bitcoin portfolio through proper timing. Lots of buying and holding on dips.
Based on existing data on coingecko, the price of bitcoin has fallen by 3% in 24 hours (as I write), while the decline has reached 6.4% in 7 days, 11.5% in 14 days and 20.2% in 30 days. How can you describe it as a slight down? For me, this is quite a big down, especially in the last 30 days where you have lost 20% of your total asset value due to the decline compared to the previous 30 days.

Maybe it's not your problem to know whether the person you are advising has the budget to carry out accumulation or not, but what is certain is that accumulation in current market conditions is recommended, especially for those who are able to do it. Rebuilding the portfolio by accumulating more bitcoin is a good advice, but it should only be done by those who have the budget and believe in the recovery potential in the long term.
35  Local / Bahasa Indonesia (Indonesian) / Re: Strategi Terbaik Ketika Market Begini? on: July 04, 2024, 08:40:57 PM
Saya bukan salah satu pedagang harian sehingga tidak memiliki strategi khusus dalam menjalankan perdagangan seperti itu. Tetapi dari beberapa pengalaman yang pernah saya lakukan biasanya saya akan menjual setiap kali mendapatkan keuntungan di atas 20 dan 30 persen dari modal. Sedangkan untuk proses pembelian saya hanya melihat waktu penurunan dari harga yang sering muncul di periode tertentu.
Dan untuk saat ini sepertinya om sudah bisa kembali melihat harga Bitcoin dan beberapa altcoin juga karena penurunan harga yang terjadi pada hari ini benar-benar sudah cukup terlihat sehingga menyebabkan pasar kembali memerah dan Bitcoin sudah kembali berada dibawah 1M (secara IDR). Saya pikir ini adalah periode yang om inginkan untuk kembali membeli dan mengharapkan keuntungan diatas 20 atau 30 persen dari modal yang om pakai, karena disatu sisi saya juga berpikir kalau penurunan harga seperti hari ini tidak akan cukup lama meskipun belum ada tanda-tanda untuk peningkatan harga dalam waktu dekat om, tetapi untuk Bitcoin akan selalu bagus dibeli pada saat-saat seperti sekarang ini.
Pendekatan perdagangan yang dilakukan oleh ancafe pada dasarnya juga bakal lebih menguntungkan jika dilakukan secara konsisten dari waktu ke waktu. Volatilitas harga memungkinkan dia membeli pada harga rendah (saat dip) dan menjual saat telah mendapatkan keuntungan yang baik. Beberapa trader mungkin memiliki pendekatan seperti ini untuk memperoleh keuntungan, tetapi pada dasarnya mereka tidak berdagang setiap hari. Jika modal yang digunakan lumayan besar, maka keuntungan 30% dari modal itu juga sudah lumayan tinggi.

30% dari Rp.500jt itu sudah Rp.150jt juga. Tapi tentu butuh waktu dan kesabaran karena untuk naik sebanyak 30% itu tidak akan terjadi dalam 24 jam sejak pembelian dilakukan. Jika pun ada, mungkin dalam sebulan atau beberapa bulan. Btw, harga bitcoin sudah turun sebanyak 17% lebih dalam sebulan terakhir, mungkin saat yang tepat untuk membeli atau akumulasi.
36  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2024/25 Season on: July 04, 2024, 08:29:58 PM
Considering the quality of the squad, Manchester City and Real Madrid are the two most eligible teams for next season's Champions League title. These two teams were in excellent form this season as well. And both the teams will have strong squads in the coming season as well.
Manchester City and Real Madrid are the clubs with strong squad, and most people will predict that one of them will win the Champions League next season. I also believe that the champions league winner will be between the two clubs, but we should know that things do change sometimes. We all saw how Dortmund performed last season, I didn’t believe they were going to get to the final, and they gave Real Madrid a difficult moment in the final, so let’s just wait till the season starts and see how each club will be playing, and how their subsequent matches will be.
Real Madrid and Manchester City are the two favorite teams every season in the Champions League, but because Real Madrid is the team with the most titles, I think Real Madrid is the favorite. I really want to find a final between Manchester City vs Real Madrid in the Champions League, but it is still very difficult because usually they meet in the last 16, quarter-finals or semi-finals.

Team strengths tend to be the same, but experiences and mentalities are different. Real Madrid is superior in terms of experience and title winning record, while Manchester City is still having difficulty maintaining its good performance every season. About those two teams, one of them will be in the final next season, maybe both of them could also lose before the final.
37  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Do you set a specific bankroll before gambling or not? on: July 04, 2024, 08:15:00 PM
"Bankroll" is usually a term used in sports betting. From what I've read in some of the threads here, we need to be disciplined in managing our bankroll, typically betting only 5% to 10% per wager. So I'm curious: do bettors here really set up a bankroll first before they start gambling, or do they just gamble whenever they have available money?

Please share your experience whether positive or negative and what you learn from it.
Sometimes yes, sometimes no. I don't have any particular habits about this, of course because I do it only when I feel okay to do so. 100% on a single bet is fine in my opinion, but if there are two interesting matches that I think are worth including on the bet slip, then I will split the budget into two parts. Gambling is not grandiose to me, I just aim for fun regardless of winning or losing. After all, I don't insist on betting large amounts, so it's not very profitable for me to divide the budget into several parts if I don't find the right reason.
38  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Copa America 2024 Prediction Thread on: July 04, 2024, 08:08:08 PM
No, the match against Saudi Arabia wasn't the last match in which they were defeated.
Argentina last lost a match in 2026 FIFA world cup qualification. They lost their home match against Uruguay 2-0 in Novemeber 2023.
Yes. After suffering a 2-0 defeat against Uruguay in the Conmebol World Cup qualifying match, Argentina never knew what it was like to lose in a friendly match and a Copa America match. Maybe in the match against Ecuador in the quarter-finals, Argentina also has the opportunity to maintain their unbeaten streak for 9 times in a row.
The match which will take place at the NRG Stadium will most likely be won by Argentina. Based on their current performance, Argentina is really strong above their opponents and they are likely to win. Argentina is the favorite in the match against Ecuador, this is justified considering their performance in the last 8 matches.

Just counting the hours before the match starts. I agree that Argentina won, but I can't underestimate Ecuador who have reached the quarter-finals. Ecuador has the desire to break Argentina's winning record and qualify for the semifinals, but the chances are certainly very low. 5 hours from now to the match, it's worth looking forward to.
39  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ⚽ UEFA Euro 2024 in Germany ⚽ - Qualifiers➡Group Stage➡1/8➡QF➡HF➡FINAL on: July 03, 2024, 05:19:10 PM
England vs Switzerland and Netherlands vs Turkey tend to be easy to predict, but not Spain vs Germany and Portugal vs France. So far I still hope for a scenario where Portugal vs England will meet in the final. I'm not sure if this will actually come true, but should Portugal get through this stage then either of Spain and Germany are anything but easy to beat.

Regarding the 4 quarter-final matches, I think England and the Netherlands will qualify for the semifinals. On the other hand, I also hope that Portugal and Spain can qualify for the semifinals by beating their respective opponents. Of course it is never easy to predict the quarter-final matches, all matches must be considered tough even though I think England and the Netherlands are really easy to predict.
40  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: La Liga (Spanish League) Prediction Thread 2023/24 on: July 03, 2024, 05:06:14 PM


Do you agree if Ansu Fati moves to Sevilla? The reason is that now Sevilla will try everything to convince Ansu Fati to leave Barcelona. Currently, his loan contract with Brighton has ended so Ansu Fati has to return to Barcelona and as we know, the former wonderkid who was predicted to be Messi's successor continues to show declining performance.

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad choice for him to join Sevilla because at least he is still close to his family in Spain, but on the other hand, his career is very much at stake and it is not impossible that his name will slowly disappear. Most people may have started to forget about him, but if coach Hansi Flick still has hope in him and is part of his plans, chances are he will be retained. However, that also does not guarantee that he will continue to play and instead of that target, Ansu Fati will fill the bench again.
This is up to the player and the owner club (Barcelona). Ansu Fati has just returned from his loan spell at Brighton, but he is not yet guaranteed to be one of the players in Barcelona's squad next season. Barcelona, ​​which has brought in a new coach, will certainly give its coach the authority to draw up plans for next season. It is possible that Ansu Fati is included in Hansi Flick's plans, but if not then Ansu Fati needs to find a new club so that his experience and career development increases.

The good news will probably come after Euro 2024 is finished and at that time the coach will make a decision. Pre-season will be the part that will involve Ansu Fati in the game, but the coach will decide whether Ansu Fati will stay or Barcelona will sell him to another club.
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