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21  Other / Off-topic / Re: Who can you trust more to handle your business, man or woman? on: March 28, 2024, 04:33:45 PM
We are in a new generation now where every gender can lead, and in business gender is just a gender.
Though some business requires a specific gender and that could be the exception. If you are into business and thinking who to hire then better to look for credentials and background instead of looking for the right gender because it’s useless if that person didn’t suit the job.
Gender equality means that now there is no difference, I agree with that and even now there are many jobs that do not differentiate between men and women but the trust that must be given to handle business will be different.
Handling a business is not only a matter of ability, but there is a lot of pressure that will be put on you in handling a business, so I personally think that if you are under pressure, men tend to be able to handle it more than women.
22  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you believe in savings or investment on: March 28, 2024, 03:38:33 PM
Back then I do believe in saving hard cash I mean money that I can physically touch or I put in the bank but after knowing crypto, knowing about stock and watch different movie now I do believe in investment.
I mean both are important, but in a pie chart I would prefer to put 25-30% in liquid cash and rest of it in investment.

I said a lot fiat is losing its value and inflation is increasing time by time so 1$ today will be different with dollar in the next 10 year or so. Investment is actually save us for the inflation etc Gold or Bitcoin is move above the inflation rate and could make us safe
Yes, I also prefer to invest rather than save the money. Investing has many benefits compared to saving. such as being able to increase the income we have, or being able to increase the value of the investment itself. However, this will have a positive impact. Starting from increasing the capabilities we have, to increasing assets. Although both are important, I also tend to invest more.
Don't forget about the risks, there is a difference between saving and investing, saving will not involve any risk but there is no possibility whatsoever, it is also different from investment which has risks but has the possibility of profit.

Of course, if we already have insight and knowledge, it is better to invest because we will get a lot of benefits in the future, the first is the increase in money profits due to investing and the second is increasing knowledge and knowledge about investment which is very useful for the long term.
23  Economy / Economics / Re: Business/Entrepreneurship. on: March 23, 2024, 07:23:34 PM
Right, if I get an opportunity to start a business then I will definitely invest in it. Because it is better than doing a job. Through a business, one can implement his talent properly which is not possible in a job. Starting a business is not an easy task, a lot of risks are involved. If anyone is ready to take those risks then he should start the business otherwise it's not work. Though there are some risks over than that it is very much effective to do business. and for a side income, I always prefer to invest in cryptocurrency
Starting a business or investing on the markets is not for everyone, without a doubt the benefits for those that succeed can be great, but this comes accompanied with severe risks, as the majority of the business that are created fail in less than a few years and the same is true for investors and traders, so for a lot of people the best option they have available is to simply work hard at their jobs and save whatever money they can during the time they are employed.
Everything that allows for profit has risks, so I don't think that should be a barrier for us not to do it.
If you just save, you won't get anything and that's a detrimental thing in my opinion.
We can minimize risk by learning about the business or investment that we do and that makes it possible for us to make a profit if we can do it right.
24  Economy / Economics / Re: Poor people need solution now on: March 22, 2024, 07:21:18 PM
As human beings we are all the same. But we all do injustice to the poor.We look at them with discrimination.And this has been going on for ages.The poor are deprived and abused everywhere.But it is through these poor that we meet our food needs and do other things.How will we meet our food needs if the poor farmers do not produce crops? If we think a little deeper we can stop ourselves from the discrimination we do.Those who depend on them will surely suffer a harassment
That is what is happening now because all of us want reciprocity, so there is no possibility of getting it if we do anything with poor people.
But I don't think farmers are poor people, I don't think so because they are people who are able to meet their living needs.

The poor are those who don't know where to find income so everything is done with the limited trust many people have in them which makes it even more difficult.
Hard work that is done more than other people is a form of effort that poor people make so that they can get out of this situation, and it is a difficult thing that not many people can do.
therefore, they need a solution or way out.
25  Economy / Economics / Re: Everything is over priced but people keep spending on: March 22, 2024, 06:48:38 PM
I believe this is exact definition of inflationary corruption of society. Everyone knows prices are increasing but everyone also knows money they own now is more valuable than money of tomorrow. This causes people to spend their money on many different kinds of markets, so they will be avoiding becoming poorer over time. This is net negative for society, sure, but most individuals don't know how to properly invest their money anyways. Best thing they know is to spend.
People won’t live and survive if they never spend and buy their necessities in life. So that’s already given. However, if you only focus on spending and only earn from a single source of income, you will certainly become poorer and poorer in the process. That’s why taking investment is highly introduced and encouraged. That way, even if your expenses are high since the prices of basic commodities are also highly increasing, your investment profits will also be a lot of help to you to combat your financial problems.
That absolutely true, we can't just stick to one income, we have to look for other sources of income that can support our needs. By having several sources of income, We can get through the phase where the prices of all basic necessities rise due to Inflation. I think there's no harm in trying to learn new skills in addition to your main skills, using your free time to learn these new skills can provide opportunities to increase your income. If there is one source of income, it is also very difficult to divide it into several parts, including if we have the desire to invest.
This is already required if our main income cannot fulfill many things, currently the increase in the price of goods is a natural thing to happen, but we also have to continue to fulfill all of that, so it is required that we can increase our income or earn a lot.
There are quite a lot of things that must be fulfilled, needs and desires and currently when the price of necessities is increasing, we have no other choice, anything will be done to be able to fulfill them all.
26  Economy / Economics / Re: Saving don't make wealth on: March 22, 2024, 06:37:11 PM
  No matter how many bitcoin you hold you can still misuse the money, so we should understand the concept of Richness and Wealth.
The amount of Bitcoin you save won't change but the value of those Bitcoin does. By holding Bitcoin especially in next few years, the value would increase like in past several years thus people always have been saying that holding Bitcoin is beneficial because you can get profit from there (hence holding and invest on Bitcoin is interchangeable).
Unlike fiat the value of that fiat is decreased because of inflation, so your post doesn't make any sense here.
Savings in bitcoin is different than when you save money in your bank. When money is being saved in the bank it loses value but when bitcoin is save it increase  in value.  I think hodling Bitcoin is not a bad idea because it will always add more value.  Bitcoin is considered as investment when people hodl it because of the value it adds.  I don't think it is bad  when people save bitcoin,  bitcoin is different from other currencies when it is being saved.
Owning Bitcoin is not categorized as savings, but it is an investment, we must be able to differentiate between them.
Saving means saving money without any risk unless inflation occurs in the far future, while investment is something that makes everything possible.
If we talk about whether it's good or not, of course it's much better to invest, so it's said that just saving won't make you rich, it's different from investing.
27  Economy / Economics / Re: Farming and it importance to the economy on: March 22, 2024, 06:08:58 PM
Of course agriculture plays a role in the economic prosperity of every country. Good quality agricultural products or agricultural production are capable of strengthening the economy of a country. There are many countries in the world whose agricultural production is very strong their economic affairs are very strong and those countries are much more prosperous than other countries.
When a country can manage its agricultural system well, of course they will be able to guarantee food needs and prices can be stable without experiencing significant increases so that people can still get their needs easily, but for some countries that do not have a good agricultural management system, of course Of course, they have to import food needs to be able to meet people's needs because they don't have a good agricultural system. Of course the price of food needs will really depend on the price they import.
This is not always the case, just look now there are agricultural countries where the people are still far from prosperous, I say that because I am one of the Indonesian citizens, where Indonesia is an agricultural country where the majority of the population works as farmers.
There are many aspects that must also be supported to be able to make a country's economy develop with agriculture and I see that government intervention and policies will have a big influence on all of that.
28  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is sharing insights the key to better trading? on: February 27, 2024, 01:54:22 PM
But of course, no single individual knows it all. I believe in the power of sharing ideas. Anyone who holds down what they know and refuses to share with others remains behind. It's a simple logic which those doing it may not know. When we share ideas we also learn from those we think we're teaching. It's cross fertilization of ideas. I belong to several communities and I know what insights we've been sharing and how they've impacted my trading. Like my people would say, when several persons pee at a spot at the same time it generates foam which when done individually won't be possible. Have a trading plan or strategies but review that of others to know where you stand.
I agree with that, we will not lose anything if we share insight/knowledge with other people, in fact we will understand more about that knowledge, then the feedback we will receive will also make it possible for us to understand more about it so it is very likely that it will be enough. We will get many benefits if we share our insights with other people.
In trading, we actually have to have a community to share because alone we are not able to receive a lot of information or knowledge that will benefit us.
29  Economy / Economics / Re: If being a graduate is the key to being wealthy, why are there poor graduates? on: February 27, 2024, 01:36:14 PM
I'd say is not everyone who's suppose to be successful in life, you can go to school and end up being unsuccessful but those who never had the opportunity to go to school can be successful in what ever they put their hands. In some parts of the world, you see a graduate struggling to get something that suits what he or she studied in school and they won't get it but those non-graduates are the ones occupying those higher positions.
Life is never the way we picture it, you can see a graduate that has a better business but there's no progress in it while someone who hasn't been to school is progressing in that same business, to me I'd say is just grace or should I say luck, you're a graduate doesn't mean anything you do would make you successful, not all graduate are suppose to make it in life which means school is not for everyone.
Going to school or having a higher education does not guarantee success, but their percentage of being able to get a job is much greater, but this cannot be the same for everyone, everyone has different opportunities and different times.
So whether success or not doesn't depend on anything, it all comes down to each person's chance and luck.
30  Economy / Speculation / Re: Can we see BTC at ATH before the year ends? on: February 27, 2024, 01:20:13 PM
I don't dare to speculate more on BTC but I have confidence that in June it will all come true and even a new ATH will be printed. Well, if we look at the increase in BTC in recent times it only needs another 20% increase and with that assumption it looks like what I believe is very likely to happen and there is no need to wait until the end of this year either.
Indeed, if we look at Bitcoin's movements in recent times, it is very possible that we could see a new ATH sooner than predicted.
I dare to speculate like that because what is happening now is beyond many people's expectations, making it possible for this to continue.
Many people speculate that after the halving the price will increase drastically, so I think it is time to see Bitcoin's new ATH this year.
31  Local / Topik Lainnya / Re: Apa Paket Internet Terbaik Rekomendasi Kalian? on: February 27, 2024, 11:51:16 AM
Di daerah saya, jaringan internet WiFi banyak digunakan oleh masyarakat umum dan sebagian besar rumah sudah terpasang WiFi. dan sempat saya tanya kelebihan WiFi adalah bisa digunakan untuk beberapa hp di rumah, ada yang sampai 3-4 hp, tergantung berapa mbps yang dipakai, tapi yang pasti ada kendala yaitu faktor sinyal dan itu hanya bisa digunakan di rumah.

Jujur saja saya lebih suka menggunakan paket bulanan sesuai kelancaran jaringan di daerah saya yaitu telkomsel, sekaligus kita bisa berkomunikasi dimana saja tanpa tergantung wifi dan menurut saya itu akan menghemat dan memudahkan kita dalam berkomunikasi.
Setau saya memang Telkomsel memiliki jaringan cukup merata ataupun bagus hampir disetiap daerah baik di perkotaan ataupun perdesaan sehingga memang cukup banyak yang lebih percaya terhadap paket data Internet untuk kelancaran dan kenyamanan pengguna.
Saya juga demikian, sejak dulu sampai dengan sekarang selalu menggunakan Telkom sel meskipun ada beberapa provider lainnya yang menawarkan paket internet murah namun saya pikir lebih baik sedikit mahal yang penting puas.

Untuk WIfi saya pikir itu beda lagi ya, itu hanya untuk tempat tertentu saja dan memang jika pengguna di suatu rumah banyak mungkin akan cukup worth it untuk menggunkan Wifi, bisa sangat menghemat biaya.
32  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: February 21, 2024, 02:52:53 PM
Definitely they will all be happy because they don’t expect it due to their performance from the early stage of the season, I consider Erik ten Hag to be the only coach in the Premier League that was criticised and their goal keeper Onana too, Manchester United performance now is like a dream to me after facing a lot of criticism from everywhere, Erik ten Hag will be very happy to see Manchester United in the form.

Liverpool on the other hand will be facing Luton Town and the match will took place at Anfield and I don't see any hope for Luton Town to win the match because even in their last game against Manchester United they hosted them but they did well by dominanting the ball possession but as for today match I guess same thing will not happen, I am sure today's victory is for Liverpool.
Being able to finish in the top 4 is not a bad thing but I think the Manchester United team management will be very disappointed because it is not much more than last season and it has been said that Manchester United's target this season is to win the Premier League.
Man United have only started to show their best performance in the last few matches and we don't know to what extent they will be able to maintain their consistency.

I don't think Liverpool will face Luton Town because Liverpool are currently in top form and they also have great motivation to win the match in order to maintain their position at the top of the Premier League standings.
33  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Premier League Prediction Thread 2023/2024 on: February 04, 2024, 09:09:43 AM
Last Wednesday, Brighton also lost to Luton with a surprising score of 4-0. So it is not surprising that in the match against Newcastle, Luton was still able to match Newcastle and achieve a draw. Luton has never even lost in 2024. And this lets us all know that Luton has developed quite rapidly recently. And maybe they will be able to move away from the relegation zone in the next few weeks.

Meanwhile, Newcastle still appeared disappointing. although we all have to understand this because Newcastle are still not able to perform optimally due to the storm of injuries that befell their players.

For the Arsenal vs Liverpool match, I will favorite Liverpool. Because I feel Liverpool are becoming more consistent at the moment.
That's right, Luton's performance is quite impressive now so it's quite natural if they manage to hold off Newcastle's draw, I see that Luton is a team that has developed quite rapidly at the moment and it is very likely that if they are able to maintain their current form then they will soon be able to get away from the zone. degradation.

Newcastle's performance has not recovered since the start of the season, it is a little surprising for what they are currently experiencing, and I see that this team is not improving much better than last season.

The Arsenal vs Liverpool match will of course be very fierce, Liverpool is in top form at the moment but I will not underestimate Arsenal because they will play in front of their own supporters, I think there is a high probability that a draw will occur and that is quite fair in my opinion.
34  Economy / Economics / Re: Coping with Risk. on: February 02, 2024, 08:24:13 AM
indeed there are certain characteristics of people out there, some people just like their money working for them as an example are those angel investors that are funding various project and have intention of growing their capital through investing, indeed this might seem simple but finding project that worth investment is sometime really difficult that I don't think random people could pull of f despite having big capital to begin with but it really takes some skill to distinguish a good investment or not.
meanwhile the other that just only believe in himself for managing business otherwise he won't put a dime are the typical person that might have trust issue or having experienced being scammed in the past, fairly speaking, they are the one thats diligent in keeping the business alive but of course result will not necessarily like the expectation.
For those who already have a lot of wealth at their disposal, they will no longer get tired of working because they have earned income from what they have invested and all they need to pay attention to is what field they will invest in to be able to achieve profits and not make mistakes in When choosing the type of investment they make, it is very important to have the knowledge and skills to be able to distinguish which investments are profitable or not.

If we have ever trusted someone else with the business we have but that person betrays us then it will be very difficult for us to entrust it to other people and
In fact, people who have a lot of assets will be more aggressive in expanding their business and because they have enough capital they can have more freedom in doing everything and of course people like that have a lot of experience so their percentage can take greater profits and they also understand about things that can minimize risks.

Trust in a business is quite difficult to gain, but there are many ways you can avoid bad experiences that have occurred.
35  Economy / Economics / Re: My life plan for wealth and btc good idea on: February 02, 2024, 08:11:40 AM
The virtues of working hard towards our goal are always mentioned, but very rarely people mention the virtues of working smart, as by working smart you can more effectively use your time and begin to carve way earlier a path towards the success you seek.

So planning to make money by becoming a trader is not a bad idea but it is not really for everyone, in fact the failure rate is astonishingly high, so people need to be alert and take advantage of every opportunity that may come their way, as they have no way to know if that is the opportunity they have been waiting for all their life.
I think working smart and working hard does not have a significant difference, working smart is one of the contents of working hard even though there are also a handful of people who don't do that.

It's not a bad idea if we plan to become a trader, but what must be understood is that the level of risk is also high or proportional to the possible profits that will be obtained.
Nothing is instant, everything requires a process and nothing can be avoided from high risks if someone wants high profits.
However, one of the most important things is never to have expectations from other people, we are the leaders of our own lives.
36  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Bagaimana cara menghapus korupsi? on: February 01, 2024, 02:54:38 PM
Korupsi di indonesia sudah menjadi permasalahan yang sangat melekat ,
Sangat sulit untuk menghapuskan korupsi dari negara kita .korupsi sudah banyak dilakukan di kalangan atas , Atau level dibawahnya seperti gubernur ataupun bupati, Tidak itu saja banyak anggota anggota penegak hukum yang melakukan perbuatan merugikan negara, Maka dari itu korupsi bisa di kurangi dengan memperkuat peraturan serta penyelidikan , Dan dapat berkurang atas kesadaran moral masing masing orang yang memegang kekuasaan.
Hanya dari kesadaran para pejabat untuk mengurangi korupsi selebihnya tidak ada cara menurut saya karena jika kita melihat secara hukum di Indonesia sudah cukup kuat hanya saja permainan Korupsi ini dari atas sampai ke bawah dengan cukup kompak dan bahkan penegak hukum juga melakukan demikian sehingga hampir tidak ada yang mengadili mereka kecuali sebagian kecilnya itupun juuga ada unsur unsur politiknya jika garis besar Korupsi di Indonesia tidak ada yang berani di selidiki ataupun di ganggu karena hampir dari semua kalangan melakukan demikian.

Sampai beberapa tahun kedepanppun Korupsi tidak akan hilang di Indonesia, Korupsi bukan lagi sebuah hal yang buruk ataupun memalukan bahkan jika pejabat di tangkap karena Korupsi mereka tidak pernah menyesal dan merasa bersalah, lihat saja ketika mereka menggunkan rompi orange KPK, malah mereka melambaikan tangan ke kamera sambil tersenyum. Grin
37  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: [Diskusi] Presiden Boleh Memihak dan Berkampanye di Pilpres on: February 01, 2024, 02:38:33 PM
Inti dari permasalahan yang pada akhirnya memunculkan pro dan kontra adalah karena salah satu dari calon adalah merupakan anak dari presiden dan juga jalan yang meloloskannya juga merupakan jalan yang banyak dibicarakan, baik itu oleh orang yang memiliki kepentingan, ataupun orang yang tidak memiliki kepentingan apapun dalam pemilu tahun ini.
Saya pribadi tidak ada masalah jika presiden berkampanye atau tidak, toh itu tidak akan mengubah terhadap pilihan saya nantinya. Namun memang hal ini banyak yang menganggap tidak etis, yang pada akhirnya memunculkan masalah baru.
Saya hanya ingin mengatakan jika beliau ingin berkampanye, maka jangan gunakan aset negara, itu saja dan lebih baik beliau cuti untuk mulau mengkampanyekan anaknya.
Masalahnya saat ini Presiden tidak mengambil cuti dan ia berkampanye secara tidak langsung menggunakan fasilitas Negara yang saat ini sedang ia gunakan, contoh kecilnya seperti mobil dinas ataupun dengan ajudan di sekelilingnya.
Memang benar itu tidak akan mengubah pilihan kita nantinya akan tetapi pengaruh dari apa yang dilakukan oleh Presiden sangat besar dan bahkan saya meragukan kalau pemilu nanti tidak ada kecurangan karena secara terang terangan Presiden mengkampenyakan salah satu Paslon dan itu anaknya sendiri.
Dari apa yang dilakukan ketika memloloskan anaknya dalam kriteria saja Presiden melakukan segala cara, bukan tidak mungkin hal tersebut juga dilakukan untuk memenangkannya.
38  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: UEFA Champions League 2023/24 Season on: January 31, 2024, 08:31:18 AM
I'm highly disappointed in Barcelona this season, missing the old days when Barcelona was a big threat in any league they qualified.
Xavi may not be the problem of the club on why their progress is limited, the players have a poor performance, poor goal scoring and nothing so interesting about their play.
Real Madrid and Man city are the beast of the league with stats of 6 games played, 6 won, 0 draw and 0 loss. Very brilliant performance from them both and I see the winners coming from any of them.
Barcelona performance doesn't follow suit in for Real Madrid and Girona this season. The problem of the club, ofcourse it's not Xavi Hernandez but points out to be the players and the board that have ruined the good flow of energy. Now the club's suffered from big loss, and this scenario will continue till the board worked on this problem. I also miss the good old days when Barcelona was the main trend in every competition they featured in. You wouldn't dare compare the performance of Barcelona to any other club, not even Real Madrid, they didn't have a style of play against the Blaugrana and always plays safe and defend.
The financial problems experienced by the team in the last few seasons have meant that the Barcelona team has not been able to do much to maintain their performance.
Moreover, after there were many changes in this team, it made Barcelona's previous touch or game seem to have disappeared and in my opinion Xavi Hernandez was the coach who saved Barcelona from its downturn. The lack of support from Barcelona management means that Xavi Hernandez cannot be free and do many things to improve Barcelona's performance.

So with the ongoing problems within the Barcelona team currently, they are unable to do much to compete in the UCL.
This season I think so too, Barcelona will not be taken into account in the race for the Champion League title this season.
39  Local / Ekonomi, Politik, dan Budaya / Re: Kaesang Baru Jadi Anggota Kemaren, sudah jadi Ketum!, Salut!!! on: January 31, 2024, 07:30:14 AM
ya namanya aja anak presiden, mau dia pendatang baru pendatang lama, kalau udah di utuskan untuk pimpin partai ya itu kan wewenang ketua umum, adeknya jadi ketum partai kakaknya jadi wapres termuda, itu bukan ketidaksengajaan, tetapi udah di set dengan rapi oleh orang tua dia sendiri selaku pejabat tertinggi di negara ini, itu semua untuk menjaga jaga di saat orang tua sudah tidak menjabat lagi, ada anak untuk meneruskan perjuangan seorang ayah, untuk menjadi politik dinasti, dimana ayahnya menjabat sebagai kepala negara 2 periode dan mengusulkan anaknya menjadi cawapres, supaya nanti ayah beliau bisa mengatur kinerja anaknya sendiri, secara tidak langsung beliau menginginkan 3 periode.
Sudah secara terang terangan Jokowi melakukan demikian dan bahkan menghalalkan segala cara untuk ambisnya tersebut, tapi kembali lagi Negara Indonesia itu cukup aneh dan lucu sehingga sekarang kita bisa melihat banyak tokoh politisi senior justru juga dendukung dan ada di belakang mereka.
Hukum dan aturan tidak berlaku bagi mereka yang ada di bagian ataupun antara penguasa, semuanya bisa di ubah untuk memenuhi ambisinya.

Perihal Kaesang yang menjadi ketua umumpartai PSI memang tidak mengherankan karena pada dasarnya Parpol Baru itu tidak diketahui asal usulnya sehingga mereka memiliki power yang cukp besar dari biaya kampanye yang tinggi dan juga menduduki banyak jabatan di istana, Saya melihat memang pada dasarnya partai PSI di ciptakan oleh penguasa era Jokowi untuk menjelek jelekan lawan politiknya (seperti yang mereka lakukan ketika mengkritik secara membabi buta Anies Baswedan pas jadi Gubernur DKI).
Kalau menrurut saya Kaesang jadi Ketum PSI bukan jadi sebuah hal yang patut diapreiasikan, namun sebaliknya, itu memalukan.
40  Local / Topik Lainnya / Re: Diskusi Timnas Indonesia on: January 31, 2024, 07:12:54 AM
sudah selesai sih di piala asia jika ngomongin Timnas indonesia.
karena sudah tersingkir kalah 4-0 oleh australia di babak 16 besar.
tapi patut di apresiasi karena untuk pertama kalinya indonesia mampu lolos ke babak 16 besar. dan skuad pemain indonesia isinya pemain muda semua jadi tim ini masih bisa untuk jangka panjang.
Bisa lolok ke babak 16 besar adalah target awal Tim Nasional Indonesia dan realitsi saja kalau Timnas kita belum bisa menyayingi australia dan kekalahan adalah hal yang wajar.
Namun harus di akui kalau performa Indonesia di ajak Piala Asia cukup meningkat terutama di pertandingan melawan australia, Permainan Indonesia benar benar memiliki progres yang cukup signifikan dan kita tidak melihat lagi pola bola panjang dan bermain asl asalan seperti Timnas dulunya.

Untuk program Naturalisasi saya pikir cukup sukses di lakukan akhir akhir ini, berbeda halnya seperti yang di lakukan dulunya dan karena itu saya pikir Naturalisasi ataupun tidak dan suksesnya ataupun tidak semua bergantung pada pelatih dan saya benar benar sangat berharap kalau timnas Indonesia bisa di latih lebih lama oleh Shin Tae-yong, meskipun banyak kritikan namun tidak bisa di pungkiri kalau permainan timnas Indonesia sudah jauh berbeda dan itu jauh lebih baik,
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