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if we had paid 100 BTC in his day could still reach the ROI
No you wouldn't. |
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I talked with german customs today, because it is stuck right now. They need something that shows the value of the package. I only have thos stupid tradehill emails that anyone could have written. Also I don't know if they are able to look at the btc price on wednesday. I don't feel like paying todays course  Simply safe an ebay site auctioning an Avalon and then edit the price, print, send to customs. They just want some paper to file, that's all. Isn't that illegal? |
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Depending on the manufacture some cables are likely missing the pin, while others aren't and what the manufacture does it put a piece of plastic into the hole to cover it. How I know this is because in my 30+ years of working in IT I have managed to destroy a few IDE Ultra 133 cables in my time which allowed me to take a look at the connector from a manufacturing level, 95% of the time the pin was there and the cable was punched down. Yes you can show all the pictures you want and draw conclusions based on your assumptions but until you do the actual leg work you are still only assuming the actual pin behind the hole that is blocked isn't there.  IDE standard recites: 5.3 I/O connector The I/O connector is a 40-pin connector as shown in figure 4, with pin assignments as shown in table 4. The connector should be keyed to prevent the possibility of installing it upside down. A key is provided by the removal
of pin 20. The corresponding pin on the cable connector should be plugged.(see http://www.t13.org/documents/UploadedDocuments/project/d0791r4c-ATA-1.pdf) And I never said the pin was missing, I just said it was covered, there is a big difference between missing and covered. Update: This gets back to what I was saying about pin 20 being covered, see the blue connector and the black one not missing a single pin? Only the beige connector which is used for the secondary hard drive is missing a pin, the cables I am looking at buying are ultra 133 Black to Blue no beige in between and pin 20 isn't blocked on either end of the connectors from the outside. Ultra 133 cables purpose was to cut down on the cross talk, which is something possibly the Avalon could benefit from but I will have to test it. [/img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/13/PATA-Connectors-exposed.png[/img] Pin should be missing and covered. There's 2 places the pin should be missing and in 1 place it should be covered (pin hole) for 'conductor pin 20'. I know you never said it was missing. I'm saying it is missing and you corrected someone in suggestion that it isn't missing when it is missing. Then again cable implementation is dependent on manufacturer ... to me it looks like both of us were right and wrong (while not being right and wrong) with probably a better understanding. Apparently the 'standard' doesn't distinguish between a 'pin hole being covered' and a 'pin being covered'. Then again it writes 'pin on the cable connector' so it's somewhat ambiguous as the cable connector doesn't have pins but does have pin holes. |
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IDE cables have some interconnect, so i think this replacement will not work but certainly you can have a try.
Some interconnect? What do you mean by this? They are 40/80 ping across the two connections with no twisting. IDE cables have a missing pin. Pin 20 isn't missing it's just covered because it's not used by the IDE controller, plus they added another security feature to make sure you don't plug the cable in the wrong way. In my case I can get straight through 80pin cables that don't have pin 20 blocked. If it's covered it's missing because there's a pin hole missing (therefor missing a pin on the other side) where one should exist ... 80 pin cables are wrong as the IDC connectors used by Avalon are 40 pin ... Did you even read what I said? (shrug) I read what you said and shrugged. You said a pin was covered. ---1) It's a hole that's missing (more specifically, covered). 2) The pin is missing (literally, it's missing). --- What you failed to understand is if the hole is covered then the pin is missing. There's nothing covering that pin that doesn't exist. What you said is the pin is covered. There, actually, is no pin that is covered. There's a pin hole that's covered and a pin that is missing on the opposite side for IDE cables and their associated connectors and headers versus the correct IDC cables and their associated connectors and headers. Translation: Kartaiv was right ... |
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IDE cables have some interconnect, so i think this replacement will not work but certainly you can have a try.
Some interconnect? What do you mean by this? They are 40/80 ping across the two connections with no twisting. IDE cables have a missing pin. Pin 20 isn't missing it's just covered because it's not used by the IDE controller, plus they added another security feature to make sure you don't plug the cable in the wrong way. In my case I can get straight through 80pin cables that don't have pin 20 blocked. If it's covered it's missing because there's a pin hole missing (therefor missing a pin on the other side) where one should exist ... 80 pin cables are wrong as the IDC connectors used by Avalon are 40 pin ... |
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they are even selling the 10k chips for 100btc..
That's not a discount at all ... what you wrote suggests a discount. Avalon chips for sale on www.avalon-asics.com. 10,000 chips for 100 BTC. If you get them up and running by: October 17, 2013 you're bound to make ~345 btc or ~245 after power costs. 245btc*$140 -> $34,300 October 24, 2013 you're bound to make ~313 btc or ~223 after power costs. 223btc*$140 -> $31,220 October 31, 2013 you're bound to make ~284 btc or ~204 after power costs. 203btc*$140 -> $28,560 The components, for 10,000 chips, are for about 31 4 module miners. The cost is around ~30k (following avalon design). Assembly would be another 20-30k. This will not make ROI unless BTC price increases significantly. Best not to buy/bother with it. The only way this will make a ROI is if you pay for electricity out-of-pocket and hope for a btc price increase. Might as well just buy BTC then, though, in which case you're bound to make more with less of a hassle (see below). That's about $700-$1,000 /week for 31 4 module Avalons in electricity @ $0.15 / Kw. If you invest 100BTC + 30k + 20k into just BTC you'll have: 100BTC + $50,000/140= ~457 BTC. Would seriously just buy the BTC ... Caveat emptor ... These chips, imho, should be priced at <50 BTC and then it would still be questionable but less questionable of an investment. If Bitmine.ch (That's an if, no idea whether the 'if' is valid or not) delivers their chips on December 13th all Avalon stock of chips becomes valueless. 42.5 btc / TH vs Avalon's 32.26 btc / TH whereas the Bitmine.ch chips have a WAY longer lifespan than Avalon's chips. Avalon G1 end-of-life is around late December through late January. |
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If you have issues with hardware error rate add some solder around the buffers. That fixes the HW error rate which is *usually* related to the buffers on the individual hash boards.
There isn't buffers in original Avalon design. May you mean 74LVC2G34 on the signaling bus ? (Config_P/N ReportP/N) But I never see bad solder on this parts. Those. There's 3 of them (U13, U14, and U15) per hash board. My friend and I've seen hundreds (if not thousands) of them under a solder rework microscope. They all looked good from almost every angle. Touching them up all of them usually fixed a HW error problem (Once we narrowed it down to the right hash board). I'm not going to guarantee that it will fix a HW error problem. I'm just going to state that there's a good probability that it will fix a HW error problem. Thx for advice. I reflow all my boards and have 1.6% HW at 430MHz. But observe interesting thing, HW percentage are depends from length and quality ribbon cable. Maybe in conjunction with solder quality on buffers ? Most of our modules were in the .5% hardware error rate with some in the .1 and some in the .9 range @ 375 and 390 . Didn't go higher due to power (375, for us, is ~1150 watts at wall for 4 modules) and cooling (low cfm fans) issues. It could be a bunch of things. Touching up the buffers consistently solved the problem for us - which is why I dropped the idea here. |
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If you have issues with hardware error rate add some solder around the buffers. That fixes the HW error rate which is *usually* related to the buffers on the individual hash boards.
There isn't buffers in original Avalon design. May you mean 74LVC2G34 on the signaling bus ? (Config_P/N ReportP/N) But I never see bad solder on this parts. Those. There's 3 of them (U13, U14, and U15) per hash board. My friend and I've seen hundreds (if not thousands) of them under a solder rework microscope. They all looked good from almost every angle. Touching them up all of them usually fixed a HW error problem (Once we narrowed it down to the right hash board). I'm not going to guarantee that it will fix a HW error problem. I'm just going to state that there's a good probability that it will fix a HW error problem. |
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Yifu is shipping them, not tradehill. So it seems they will ship from China. When and if they ship are two concerns of mine.
As far as the chips on Yifu's website, 10,000 MLF 110nm chips should cost 10,000 * $0.01 - 10,000* $0.04. = $100-$400.
100btc = rip off.
I'd also like to note BitSyncom still has 18 btc + worth of my icarus assets from the Trade-in. he has still not compensated for it.
LOL... Good luck with that. I'd be interested if you could show a single example of a QFN48 chip available through any supplier for US$0.01 in QTY 10,000. shows what you know. At high volume in the hundreds of thousands chips cost a few cents. Why would Bitsyncom only buy at 10k per batch? Lol at yourself. This is exactly why the chips won't sell. There is too much price disagreement already on top of the distrust placed on Avalon. The chips are clearly overpriced as is, though, irrelevant of how much they cost to produce. These chips are valueless as their ROI does not exist at current price point. |
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If you have issues with hardware error rate add some solder around the buffers. That fixes the HW error rate which is *usually* related to the buffers on the individual hash boards.
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Avalon chips for sale on www.avalon-asics.com. 10,000 chips for 100 BTC. If you get them up and running by: October 17, 2013 you're bound to make ~345 btc or ~245 after power costs. 245btc*$140 -> $34,300 October 24, 2013 you're bound to make ~313 btc or ~223 after power costs. 223btc*$140 -> $31,220 October 31, 2013 you're bound to make ~284 btc or ~204 after power costs. 203btc*$140 -> $28,560 The components, for 10,000 chips, are for about 31 4 module miners. The cost is around ~30k (following avalon design). Assembly would be another 20-30k. This will not make ROI unless BTC price increases significantly. Best not to buy/bother with it. The only way this will make a ROI is if you pay for electricity out-of-pocket and hope for a btc price increase. Might as well just buy BTC then, though, in which case you're bound to make more with less of a hassle (see below). That's about $700-$1,000 /week for 31 4 module Avalons in electricity @ $0.15 / Kw. If you invest 100BTC + 30k + 20k into just BTC you'll have: 100BTC + $50,000/140= ~457 BTC. Would seriously just buy the BTC ... Caveat emptor ... These chips, imho, should be priced at <50 BTC and then it would still be questionable but less questionable of an investment. If Bitmine.ch (That's an if, no idea whether the 'if' is valid or not) delivers their chips on December 13th all Avalon stock of chips becomes valueless. 42.5 btc / TH vs Avalon's 32.26 btc / TH whereas the Bitmine.ch chips have a WAY longer lifespan than Avalon's chips. Avalon G1 end-of-life is around late December through late January. |
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Ummm you are the same Frankenmint who sent me a PM to tell me I was missing a " in my sig.
Your sanity is in question with me.
It's missing a period, too. -And a cold-ass lil comma. It's a lot more punctuation than that ... |
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Congrats!
9 of those give more power than a Jupiter for less than half the price. Yey for pre-orders!
9 of those will also have over 5000 watts of hungry power supplies. Hope you live at the north pole. 9 of those will stop making a profit based on power usage around late december / early january when most, if not all, G1 Avalons should be turned off unless BTC price increases. Oddly, KNC machine will follow that pretty fast. |
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Can someone take pictures of the ASIC chips and post them here so that chip dates can be determined? Also, if someone could do the same for the AVALON-ASICS store that'd be greatly appreciated.
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Claimed they were confiscated in customs,
Source? Professor, I sense you are having difficulty coming to grips with the reality that that man is an unprincipled slug who deserves no further business, nor even any further recognition as a contributing member of the bitcoin community. After all, it's not like the case of BFL, where one can at least argue that there are no innocent victims; the customers were greedy followers of an illusion of free money and learned the lesson of that. The failure on the part of Avalon destroyed many in the open source community who expended time and treasure in the belief that the chips would be delivered. For example, the Klonkike developer, BKKcoins, has completely disappeared. While one might hope that he got a great job out of the effort and left bitcoin behind, I fear that that is not the true outcome. He asked a specific question and didn't look for a lecture. Whatever someone does with their money is their business, not yours. The confiscation idea might stem from the chips "being held at customs" and them (Avalon) receiving "real life threats". Therefore, the "confiscation" is more of a theory than backed by supporting evidence. The only thing we know is that 1) Yifu stated chips were held at customs 2) Yifu stated team members were receiving real life threats. Anything else beyond that is a theory (One can even argue that #1 and #2 are lies - it's basically a mess as their answers to the community answer nothing). I'm absolutely not defending Avalon. I'm just reiterating what was stated. Anything beyond that is a theory that may/may not be true. Also, I'm leaning towards not doing business with Avalon in the future. |
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anyone managed to find out if they come with a psu or not yet?
I'm betting on no PSU. |
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actually 16BTC doesn't seem like a mistake at all, goes perfectly with the 4.20BTC they are asking for a single module in their new store.
To them they are a mistake as noone is bidding. To us they aren't a mistake as they thought people would sell their firstborns to buy g1 hardware .... g2 will probably have same problem of being overpriced. But yea. The modules do suggest the pricing is absolutely not a mistake and that they overvalue their own product. I doubt anyone in their sane mind is willing to give someone their personal info and bitcoins. I'd be fine with just bitcoins but a government issued id? Absolutely not. One of the reasons bitcoin is great is because once you have the coins you have them. What's the need for ids? |
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=155872.msg1651925#msg1651925if you want to replace the fan, please use ONE 12038(or 12044) size, 4PIN PWM, 12V , with at least 3600RPM maximum speed. ball bearing is recommend.
a 1200rpm 12025 fan (or 2 in series ) will of course kill the machine.
For future reference those number are decoded as: "If you want to replace the fan, please use ONE 120mm x 38mm (or 120mm x 44mm) size, 4PIN PWM, 12V , with at least 3600RPM maximum speed. ball bearing is recommend. a 1200rpm 120mm x 25mm fan (or 2 in series ) will of course kill the machine." That's Avalon recommended. You can use less powerful fans as long as the room ambient temperature is low (say, the same as in a server room) and you are using the standard Avalon case or an Aluminum one where heatsinks are directly mounted to Aluminum base. If you're using a design where the heatsink is NOT directly mounted to an aluminum base you're very limited with your overclock ability. There's a good reason why the Avalon heatsinks are mounted to the aluminum base. The base increases heatsink surface area and, accordingly, acts like a heatsink drawing heat from actual heatsinks. If you want to save money don't use a 4 pin PWN fan but use a 3 pin non PWN fan. Also, see: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=253382.0(Google search: http://bit.ly/1c5kjUG)
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Awfully similar to what Redhash is doing.  Does Tradehill, by chance, insure the Bitcoins placed in their 'deposit accounts' ... caveat emptor ... |
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On the server picture it appears you have 62 red cases. Eligius indicates 31(+ partial unit{s}?) miners running.
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Same question was posed and answered just one post up. And judging by the answer, I wouldnt be surprised if the empty cases will soon be filled with bitfury's. It's a similar statement, but not the same - there's no question mark so it can't be a question. Also, no questions posed by me ask about the future only the past and the present - though the last one might be classified as a fishing expedition  . |
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