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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: December 06, 2017, 06:27:35 PM
Yep, definitely going to trend up until then. I say we will see $4-5 by end of the year. Doesn’t best the all time high in BTC, but still pretty good. The good thing is volume is also constantly increasing. Only a matter of time until it’s widely recognized.

I'd say $4-5 by the end of year prior to a pump upon release of the new website on the Phantom dApp testnet, and then the pump will take it much higher. This should happen before the end of the year: the uptrend of this accumulation already has been crossing $3 and it's not even the end of the first week of December. Plus this uptrend is even holding steady while bitcoin is pumping. The last accumulation phase increased price to a higher baseline and then made it 3x. If that happens again this time, when the uptrend is even stronger, then a 3x from $4-5 (accumulation uptrend's new baseline) to $12-15 could happen within the next four weeks.
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: December 04, 2017, 11:45:13 PM
I don't think a new website should result in a price movement, I don't see how the team want to monetise this platform, unless they come out with a good strategy
your right mate,they must strategically comes out for a new one,its not the
 website whos making the price grow but its on the project itself,although the popularity
 make some changes but still the coin is depending to the concept of the project,
 improvement is the most function

The new website is not resulting in price movement primarily because it's a new website; it's because the new website is being hosted using their decentralized web hosting and storage dApp called Phantom, which will make it the first working prototype in this niche ever successfully released.
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: December 03, 2017, 10:58:03 PM


pr3m0nition, did you actually look at the chart?  Grin
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: December 03, 2017, 09:23:30 PM
Investors mostly looking into altcoins but I don't understand why all you people ready to wait for long time to gather your profit. If you invested in bitcoin you can make your money double in couple months or with in six months. I think even you also know that but why you guys are keep on going to cheap altcoins.
Some people goes to centralized coins as well such a stupid action of their life time.
I feel that we have to invest on altcoins we can go and invest on ETH, ETC, BCh, LTC and dash. Those will give more money than shift or other currencies.

You obviously don't have a clue where the true profits are...

Dash, ETH, can make you earn.

Middle to low caps are live changers

Exactly. Investing in coins that already have $200m+ market cap is part of healthy diversification, but the absolute smartest money will pick a solid coin with less than $100m market cap that is eventually going to see real use adoption. I personally believe that the larger coins are actually riskier than small coins with dedicated HODLers, in the sense that a larger ratio of the huge coin's market cap is comprised of fickle speculator money which can crash the coin's value when a lot of the speculator money leaves to jump onto the next big bandwagon. This is part of why a stable uptrend for a small coin attracts the smart whales early - they know that they are very unlikely to lose money investing in the small coin when it has proven ongoing development and holds a solid support line more strongly than the average volatility of the market.

EDIT: I just noticed this: the Shift chart over the last year, especially the last 3 months which is the right time range for double-bottom pattern, looks insanely bullish going off the pattern. Double-bottom PLUS cup-and-handle combination:
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: December 03, 2017, 07:12:13 PM
Once they release the product (and assuming it's good/working) they will be way more people who will want to buy than to sell.

Great point. Actually I have heard that around 1/3rd of the tokens are held in wallets of the community such as delegates / node operators / forgers etc. so the supply is actually even more limited than it seems on the surface. Many of the hardcore community are true believers in this coin and will hold to the ends of the earth IMO. So far the uptrend is even holding rock solid over the 20k sat line (at 20.5k seems like the current bottom) despite btc rising now.
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: December 03, 2017, 03:35:20 PM
Does anyone here think shift is good mainly because there isn't a huge supply?  Also is the price still good to buy now?  At what price would you say its not a good buy at what max price?  Also does anyone think this coin could possibly go up to $100 or more?  There is something about this con that tells me it is going to go up a lot etc.

Well the lowest price for shift in the last month was 14k satoshi. Now it's around ~20k, this month we will definetly see a price jump once the product will be delivered. I think the price will fluctuate between 19-21k sat until the release. 100$ it will occur if the feedback from their product will be mostly positive. For that we must wait and see how good their product it will be, but for now i don't see it 100$ in 2018 but we will see.

After bottoming  around 19.6k sat seems to have been the bottom for the past few days until now the upward trend seems to be raising the floor to 20k sat:



Also pay attention to the velocity of the overall uptrend:



It is definitely accelerating.

Based on this comparison of where the tag is relative to these past time spans, I think that it won't stay 19-21k until the release. The uptrend is accelerating fast enough that IMO it could reach close to $3+ before end of December and the release could then take it to $10+ (~3x of price before release) if the accumulation trend remains this strong:





27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: December 02, 2017, 04:37:46 PM
I think the value of the shift at the end of 2017 will be $ 3.
the shift has a great potential and I hope it

that's realisticfor 2017. some money will go from btc to the alts and to shift. maybe 3.5 for end of 2017.

Depends if alts will have another bull run in December. In that case could be 5$ easy. Of course that will be easier with some more of good marketing like could be done as promised. Testing 3 $ for half a year now. Trending between 0,5 (more 1 except for worst times) and 3 most of the time. If going through it could be a big jump. Much depends on BTC price action anyhow and of course and were the whales having Shift on radar will be when the good news break out. Many waiting for the product though. Low marketcap so not hard to move the price. And 3 $ is a done deal with the product out anyhow (probably new support after release of all in Q4). It more or less just a question how much higher will Shift shift afterwards Smiley 3-4, 3-5, 2-5; It was 0,5-3 last half a year so could easily be 2-10. Should be taken into account price is over 2 for a week now. Never has been there for such a long period exept for exactly 7 consecutive days when 3 was broken for the first time. 2 was broken 4 times (we can take oout 1 spike so 3) last half a year and 3, 2 times. Next time will be the 3rd time over 3. Number 3 not a magical number without a reason. And it will be exactly connected with the product finally being released really soon.

Thanks for the analysis. Personally I still believe it can go $6-10 within the next five weeks because the uptrend is still stable and seems to be resuming more strongly the last two days. Another factor to consider is that when the product (decentralized web hosting) is released as a working proof on testnet, it will make it easier for Shift to add more exchange listings since exchanges factor development progress into the criteria for adding tokens. Independently of other factors, a large exchange add could increase the market cap an additional $10m maybe (I'm not too sure, perhaps you have a clearer idea?) since the main factor that will drive growth will be awareness, for a platform which already has strong development progress with a low market cap. If Shift is added to 3-4 new large exchanges over the course of Q1 then that would compound the impact of the development progress. I think that the strong possibility of more large exchange listings (now it's just Bittrex + Upbit and Livecoin) will therefore make $10 also fairly likely within 1-2 months from now.
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: SHIFT vs Substratum - battle to decentralize the web on: November 30, 2017, 08:57:05 PM
Shift just published the November newsletter! This was their announcement in Ryver, details are very bullish:

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Hi all, the November Newsletter is published! Please join the discussion on Reddit and please remember to subscribe to r/ShiftNrg for future Shift updates! Subscribing on Reddit is a simple action you can take to help grow our community and awareness of Shift through the end of this year and beyond! https://www.reddit.com/r/ShiftNrg/comments/7gp7lu/november_newsletter_discuss_here/?ref=share&ref_source=link
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: November 30, 2017, 08:50:55 PM
Shift just published the November newsletter! Details are very bullish:

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Hi all, the November Newsletter is published! Please join the discussion on Reddit and please remember to subscribe to r/ShiftNrg for future Shift updates! Subscribing on Reddit is a simple action you can take to help grow our community and awareness of Shift through the end of this year and beyond! https://www.reddit.com/r/ShiftNrg/comments/7gp7lu/november_newsletter_discuss_here/?ref=share&ref_source=link
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: November 28, 2017, 04:34:23 AM
$3 by end 2017.. $5 by 2018

I think it would make no sense for these accumulation signs to be building to a rally ceiling that low. If the pattern does not even escalate, but merely repeats/maintains over the forthcoming month, then I expect it would yield a $6 target by end of year. But IMO this is an easy 2.5x - 3x from current price, possibly up to 5x from current price whenever the rally is catalyzed and fueled by the new website's release on the Phantom prototype before January.
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: November 27, 2017, 07:02:11 AM
Shift right now is still going good, its price now is $2.38 and i think this price up will continue. Shift now is becoming more profitable, thanks to all the devopers that work hard to make this thing happen. So in my own opinion by the end of 2017 its value will become greaterthan $4.
IMO the price will not go beyond of $2 by end year,however the project seems quite ambitious,but maybe I should read better first before formulating a more appropriate idea,on the other hand it is interesting that this project shares a developer with Lisk.

Every new project and their website seems always good to invest the fund but we cannot blindly believe that the price movement may touch the any peak value as it's own value already hits.
As you said 2 usd might we can expect to see in the chart but not to think that we will be able to more profit like we found in waves or neo.

Shift's trend line from 2015 to present reflects much different conditions than it's currently following, both internally and externally. The present price is already fluctuating but recharging  above $2 despite the btc pump to ~9.5k USD today. This growth occurred organically with only focus on development and no marketing. Anyone with an ecommerce background can tell you that growth hacking marketing activity in even a small portion increases adoption by exponential degrees compared to zero marketing whatsoever. So with the start of marketing drives the market cap would probably increase by at least double even if there weren't huge project milestones approaching. If you combine both of those factors their mutual reinforcement should easily launch Shift a lot higher than the current $2. I'm still fairly confident of $80m+ market cap by end of next month and wouldn't be too surprised if it goes a lot higher. The impact of marketing is going to be huge because it will be combined with the effect of the Phantom release.
good target. but i think it would go even higher. much higher  Cool

This would by 3x from current price, where it just doubled. i am not sure about this, but would be cool. i think marketcap can be $80m in Q1 2018 ...
$10 is on the way...

I just took this snapshot of the 1 min. chart about three minutes ago:



In addition to the stable uptrend that has brought us back to a current average of ~$2.30, there appear to be blips of massive accumulation happening on the 1 min. charts. Based on looking at this post-pump rise today I think I was wrong about $80m by the end of December, that seems too conservative. It's hard to predict how high it could go from here but $10 is very possible if this uptrend and accumulation continues. When the accumulation spike happens the cap then recovers to what it was previously, even for spikes happening in a less than one minute time frame. This suggests that whales are shaking out weak hands (as the spikes are too fast to become pumps that incite fomo and corresponding quick wave rider cashouts), so these are shaking out preexisting sell orders. As the accumulation continues and these sell orders get shaken out, the friction against higher highs is reduced. With the Vertcoin pump which displayed the same initial pattern, the existing market cap was already several multiples higher than Shift's current market cap and so IMO the multiple for the incoming Shift increase can go higher than it did for Vertcoin. Based on the recent chart activity I'm leaning toward $10 happening much sooner than I initially thought.
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Lisk and Shift on: November 27, 2017, 05:21:44 AM
If you compare between lisk and shift i would choose lisk. Lisk will rebrand their coin. Lisk has a new development team and it has its character which is java script. All apps for lisk will be created by java script. Java script with a lot of platform is really powerfull languagr for now.

Shift also can be used by Javascript developers - that is a feature of both Shift and Lisk.
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: 6 Reasons Why Shift Will Become A Top 10 Coin In 2018 on: November 26, 2017, 09:38:21 PM
Explain to me in simple terms what makes shift fundamentally better than Ethereum, Waves, Stratis Neo and Lisk.

I'm not trying to put you guys down but there are already so many big players in the smart contract game that have more mature platforms. Show me an ETH clone that solves the scaling problem and I'll be impressed, and don't point to EOS.

Shift's approach has been to develop a killer app that is first to market within its niche. Offering a dApp that adds value to the economy may expand adoption of the entire ecosystem since the barrier to entry is very low due to Shift using Javascript as the development language. This is typically a very smart and practical business development strategy. Most successful businesses start by first achieving adoption in a narrow market and then spread outward. E.g. Facebook started with targeting ivy league college students as a subniche within the college population. Tinder started out by targeting sororities and fraternities. But even if Shift does not see a lot of adoption as a larger dApp ecosystem, i.e. if the only dApp ever to be developed was Phantom for decentralized hosting, then Shift is still extremely valuable. Projects with overlapping use cases with Phantom have market caps in the hundreds of millions despite not offering the growth potential of supporting an entire dApp ecosystem and not being as far along in development toward a finished product.
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: November 26, 2017, 08:01:11 PM
Shift right now is still going good, its price now is $2.38 and i think this price up will continue. Shift now is becoming more profitable, thanks to all the devopers that work hard to make this thing happen. So in my own opinion by the end of 2017 its value will become greaterthan $4.
IMO the price will not go beyond of $2 by end year,however the project seems quite ambitious,but maybe I should read better first before formulating a more appropriate idea,on the other hand it is interesting that this project shares a developer with Lisk.

Every new project and their website seems always good to invest the fund but we cannot blindly believe that the price movement may touch the any peak value as it's own value already hits.
As you said 2 usd might we can expect to see in the chart but not to think that we will be able to more profit like we found in waves or neo.

Shift's trend line from 2015 to present reflects much different conditions than it's currently following, both internally and externally. The present price is already fluctuating but recharging  above $2 despite the btc pump to ~9.5k USD today. This growth occurred organically with only focus on development and no marketing. Anyone with an ecommerce background can tell you that growth hacking marketing activity in even a small portion increases adoption by exponential degrees compared to zero marketing whatsoever. So with the start of marketing drives the market cap would probably increase by at least double even if there weren't huge project milestones approaching. If you combine both of those factors their mutual reinforcement should easily launch Shift a lot higher than the current $2. I'm still fairly confident of $80m+ market cap by end of next month and wouldn't be too surprised if it goes a lot higher. The impact of marketing is going to be huge because it will be combined with the effect of the Phantom release.
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: November 25, 2017, 10:09:24 PM
Ok, crazy day. After going up to $3 it now settles at around $2.3
Let us wait what happens when the koreans start trading tomorrow again.

any clues if this huge pump came from Korea?



It seems like it's already back in an uptrend. Hard bounce from 25k sat makes it look like pretty strong support at 26k sat. Already back up to 27k sat / $2.40. An uptrend so quickly after the post-pump dip shows a lot of strength and if it continues into next week as fiat hits exchanges again after the U.S. Thanksgiving holidays, I think my original prediction earlier in the thread of 5x - 10x within 4-12 weeks is looking more likely. Agree it will be interesting to see what happens after the Koreans wake up again to find the  uptrend holding. The next 12 hours could be very significant IMO.
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: November 23, 2017, 02:16:54 PM
Hello. I think Shift will go back to his All-time High and will double it at the beginning of the Q2 2018. i would like more communication from the developers, but give them the benefit of the doubt that they have no time, because they are always working.

Cheers

Shift's marketing team increased its volunteers by over 30% within the last month alone. They're working on the content for the new website (massive overhaul) as well as the newsletters. Although the devs are spending all their time on coding the marketing team is increasing regular communication as well, but that should scale a lot more within five weeks when all the new content is finished.
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: November 23, 2017, 05:14:34 AM
I'm no TA expert by any means but looking over the 30 day span right before Vertcoin's breakout, compared to the last 30 days of the Shift chart it looks pretty similar to me:


38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][SHIFT] The New Web | IPFS/Phantom | JENGA Dynamic DNS solution for IPFS on: November 22, 2017, 05:58:36 AM
Question...I love the idea but since everything is so decentralized and no creative control, how do you stop illegal content from being posted?



When I asked the devs this question, they said that hashes can be blacklisted. I believe this can be done by community consensus. So my understanding is that files and websites hosted on Shift are "uncensorable" in the respect that a malicious actor or government, etc. cannot target any centralized server or source as a potential failure point to remove or block content.
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: November 21, 2017, 11:11:16 PM
I don't think a new website should result in a price movement, I don't see how the team want to monetise this platform, unless they come out with a good strategy

To clarify, the reason the new website is expected to create a price movement is that it is actually going to be hosted live with Shift's decentralized web hosting dApp. So the new website will be the direct, live proof that the Phantom dApp is in working prototype stage.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Shift price by end of 2017. on: November 21, 2017, 10:52:25 PM
Shift's website is shiftnrg.org. I think when the new website launches before the end of the year, the URL will still be the same.
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