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21  Other / Meta / Re: Tecshare Maliciously Abused The BitcoinTalk Trust System on: November 06, 2014, 07:57:12 PM
Default trust, which can be such a good tool, being used as leverage and "make people learn a lesson", and what's more disturbing is that not only are people willing to turn a blind eye, but that some are even defending it.  I always thought default trust was a fairly good thing, and the self regulating nature of the community would fix any aberrant behavior, but clearly not. Looks like default trust is turning into a good old boys network.
I would say that people are not speaking out against him out of fear they will receive similar treatment that Armis received. The fact that so many people conduct business here makes receiving negative trust a torpedo to an account. The only people who have spoken out against him (vod and badbear) conduct very little business here.
(and are both in the default trust network themselves, and so therefore 'equal')

Talking only about the default trust issues, and not anything specific to this issue or the people concerned, this is exactly it.
People aren't going to jump up to argue against someone who:
- Has left negative feedback about someone who annoyed them, and
- Is in the default trust network
For fear of annoying them, and being flagged as untrustworthy to anyone who subscribes to default trust, which everyone does by default.

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Looks like default trust is turning into a good old boys network.
It is, by definition, an old boys network.
You cannot get in by your own actions. You cannot get kicked out by your own actions.
It is purely the choice of the existing members.
22  Bitcoin / Hardware / Re: [ANN] Spondoolies-Tech - carrier grade, data center ready mining rigs on: November 06, 2014, 07:46:01 PM
The main issue is what the frack were the guards doing and why they couldn't stop the fire from spreading.

With the one visible fire extinguisher?
23  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2014-11-3 Qntra.net "Court Order: BFL to transfer Bitcoins to Court" on: November 06, 2014, 07:37:03 PM
Yes, convert the BTC to USD, so that any returns will be at a loss even if the receiver doesn't take a cut. Evil.

How does it change anything?
There is only X amount of money to share out between creditors, whether you express that X in BTC or USD, it doesn't change the amount.
If BTC goes up after they exchange, it would have been better to keep it.
If BTC goes down after they exchange, it was better the exchange it.
24  Other / Meta / Re: DefaultTrust is BAD. Very bad. on: November 06, 2014, 03:57:09 PM
Funny how you find me defending myself from harassment and direct attacks on my trading are some how unwarranted reasons for use of feedback.

The issue is that:
a) You left false feedback, saying you has lost/risked BTC when you had not.
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Risked BTC amount is money that the person could have stolen or did steal
b) The DefaultTrust system means that your ratings mean much more than most other peoples', so that there is no 'equality of arms'. You can effectively leave bad feedback against almost anyone with no fear of retribution, as if they leave bad feedback about you, noone will see it. This isn't your fault, it is a broken system (hence the title of this thread).
25  Bitcoin / Press / Re: 2014-11-3 Qntra.net "Court Order: BFL to transfer Bitcoins to Court" on: November 06, 2014, 03:01:23 PM
The State has shown its teeth again - the rest is mere implementation detail.
To paraphrase the court order: "Gimme dat. Now! Something about kneecaps."
[...]
On another front - there is of course a need to deal with the BFLs in life and not get burned by them, but imho that end does not justify the means presently used or the precedent being set.
The precedent, put starkly: "Got crypto? Hand it over".

Rubbish.
The message is that this is no different to any other asset.
They have been ordered to hand it over because they are in receivership.
BFL can be ordered to hand over their bank accounts. They can be ordered to hand over their stock. They can be ordered to hand over physical property. They can be ordered to hand over their Bitcoin.
Why would you think that they couldn't be ordered to do that?
Why should Bitcoin be treated any differently to any other asset?
26  Economy / Speculation / Re: Apple Pay -- A Reason to Expect the Worst on: November 06, 2014, 01:43:59 PM
Seems Apple Pay is not even pseudonymous

http://www.finextra.com/news/fullstory.aspx?newsitemid=26671

US banks are paying a high price for the privilege of placing their cards on Apple Pay, with the tech giant demanding not just cash but also detailed reports and analytics on card usage data, according to a leaked draft of the 19-page commercial agreement with issuers.

Nothing in that story says that any user identification is passed to Apple, so how does that prove "Seems Apple Pay is not even pseudonymous"?
27  Economy / Speculation / Re: Apple Pay -- A Reason to Expect the Worst on: November 06, 2014, 01:42:55 PM
Steve Jobs was an overpaid egotistical marketing twat who was great at convincing Hipsters that  they were cool if they bought his products and being an asswipe to everyone who worked with or for him.   Jobs even lied to, and stole from Wozniak, his first business partner and the man who made their early success possible.

Overpaid?
Whatever you think of Jobs personally, or of his technical skills, or lack thereof, he made Apple hugely successful and made a fortune for its shareholders.
Whatever they were paying him, he couldn't have been overpaid.
28  Other / Off-topic / Re: Can you ride a horse on public roads? on: November 04, 2014, 12:51:22 PM
really bro? really? horses on roads..

We have horses ride down the road past our house every day Smiley
29  Economy / Economics / Re: why do people agree to pay taxes? on: November 03, 2014, 10:31:51 AM
i don't get it, if you like being taken care by the government so much why not move to the socialist heaven of North Korea.

And if you don't like taxes and working governments, move to the free market anarchistic heaven that is Somalia.
See, stupid statements work both ways.
30  Economy / Economics / Re: Economic Devastation on: October 31, 2014, 11:04:06 AM
Personal quirks aside. Its been almost a year now since I started this thread. I did not do so because I wanted to promote Anonymint's economic writings.

Really?

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Together these are quite simply the most insightful piece of economic theory I have ever read
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 27, 2014, 01:02:41 PM
The advantage that scrypt alt-coins had were that they were not mineable by ASICs.

I know that this is a popular view and it is encouraged by those communities built around alt-coins which are still GPU based, but ...

There is no advantage to being unable to mine a coin with ASICs.

Don't tell me, tell them.
If people believe that not being ASIC mineable is a good thing, they will shift to non-ASIC mineable coins, and the value of the ASIC-mineable coins will fall.
It doesn't matter whether their view of the cause is right or not, if the effect is the same.
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 27, 2014, 11:15:14 AM
Quote from: ckolivas
It has everything to do with why they did not offer refunds right from the start - they knew that ASIC mining would kill off scrypt coins and anyone who bought an scrypt ASIC would regret it. Legal or not is a different issue....
[...]
In general alt-coins have a lot of advantages over BTC. For example, they provide an area where experimentation can take place without the risks associated with BTC changes. Many of them are more suitable for use in payment systems due to their fast block time.

That is true of both SHA256 and scrypt alt-coins.
The advantage that scrypt alt-coins had were that they were not mineable by ASICs.
When scrypt ASICs come along, that advantage goes away.
Alt-coins have simply moved to different algorithms, and as each one gets overwhelmed by hardware, will continue to find new ones to move to.
The simple act of producing and selling scrypt ASICs renders them almost worthless.
33  Other / Meta / Re: Proof the trust system is broken on: October 22, 2014, 01:59:54 PM
The trust system here on Bitcointalk is severely broken.

I agree with that, but because of the DefaultTrust system, not for the reasons you give.
Any system where TradeFortress was flagged to all new users as being someone they should trust was clearly broken.

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A senior member's high yield investment business came to a tragic end when he suffered from negative trust despite no evidence that he stole any Bitcoin at all, but rather, because they "thought" he was going to steal them (See: Minority Report).
Also see: BTC-Backers

One single negative feedback brought a scheme to a 'tragic end'?
They 'thought' he was going to steal them because that is what HYIPs do, take people's money.
And when the owner deletes all negative discussions from the thread, that is only going to heighten that impression.
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: October 22, 2014, 09:17:20 AM
These guys are fighting hard for a class action lawsuit.

Are they?
Their blog has precisely one entry, where they redefine their practice from what it was previously (DUI, employment and immigration matters) to now claim to be cryptocurrency specialists.
What else have they done?
(I say 'they', but this seems to actually be a single practitioner firm.)
KMC are not a US company and have no US presence to be sued. As such, the entire thing would seem to be a waste of time.

http://web.archive.org/web/20130601092918/http://lincharlotte.com/
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Welcome to the Law Office of Charlotte C. Lin
I am a California licensed attorney. I focus on administrative law (including immigration), and criminal defense (misdemeanor, traffic infractions, expungement).

http://lincharlotte.com/
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Please check out each of our practice areas:

DUI | DMV

Traffic Tickets

Immigration

Employment

http://kncclassaction.com/
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Law Office of Charlotte C. Lin represents cryptocurrency miners and participants throughout the globe, concentrating its practice in consumer protection class actions.

One of these things is not like the others, one of these things is not quite the same.
35  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bangladesh says Bitcoin users could be jailed for up to 12 years on: October 17, 2014, 10:20:09 AM
And as for the "I don't see ..." part, try looking for an eye doctor online. There's gotta be a good one listed in your area, don't you think?

So you are abandoning any attempt to rebut the evidence I've given you that your views are simply incorrect?
36  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bangladesh says Bitcoin users could be jailed for up to 12 years on: October 16, 2014, 11:34:01 PM
I was right, it doesn't seem to matter how much evidence you are shown that what you have been told is wrong, you continue to believe it.
Present one reported decision of a court in either the US, UK or Canada where your theories have worked.
Where someone has denied that any courts have jurisdiction over them, or demanded that only common law applies to them, or that they can control the court proceedings.
Just one.
I've given you the Mears vs Mears decisions which lists dozens upon dozens of cases where these arguments have been found to be the complete rubbish that they actually are.
I've given you a decision from your beloved Queen's Bench, which you seem to think allows your odd version of common law, where a judge demolishes these ideas.
And does so forensically, analysing the various types of bullshit and listing exactly why they are wrong, and which cases have previously shown that.
And points out that the arguments are so absurd that not only shouldn't they be accepted, they shouldn't even receive court time, and are reason to subject anyone who raises them to cost penalties.
I've shown you that the  Trinsey v. Pagliaro decision simply doesn't saw what you've been told that it did.
I've shown you that your hero Karl is doing just the sort of scammy things that the 'gurus' referred to in the judgement do.
You can lead a horse to water ...


I appreciate that you are trying to do my homework for me.
[snip]

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Present one reported decision of a court in either the US, UK or Canada where your theories have worked.
Where someone has denied that any courts have jurisdiction over them, or demanded that only common law applies to them, or that they can control the court proceedings.
Just one.

Shouldn't be that hard.
UK decisions are available at http://www.bailii.org/
Canandian ones at http://www.canlii.org/en/index.html
US ones at http://www.law.cornell.edu/

Until you can do that, I don't see you have any business repeating your claims.

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There is even a California court case where a judge was removed from a case, to a lower court, because the common law plaintiff filed an order of contempt of court against the judge for disobeying the laws of his case. The laws were the ones that the plaintiff brought, in common law, because it was the plaintiff's court.

Which case? What is the citation? Where is the decision?
I don't want repeated second/third/fourth hand nonsense, I want actual information.
The fact that someone one one of these psuedo-law websites has said it, does not make it believable without verification.
(I suspect what we will find is that if a judge was removed, it was after following the normal proceedures for such, for a valid reason, not because The laws were the ones that the plaintiff brought, in common law, because it was the plaintiff's court, which is nonsense. You can read the correct proceedures for challenging or removing a California judge here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=ccp&group=00001-01000&file=170-170.9)
37  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bangladesh says Bitcoin users could be jailed for up to 12 years on: October 16, 2014, 04:36:49 PM
I was right, it doesn't seem to matter how much evidence you are shown that what you have been told is wrong, you continue to believe it.
Present one reported decision of a court in either the US, UK or Canada where your theories have worked.
Where someone has denied that any courts have jurisdiction over them, or demanded that only common law applies to them, or that they can control the court proceedings.
Just one.
I've given you the Mears vs Mears decisions which lists dozens upon dozens of cases where these arguments have been found to be the complete rubbish that they actually are.
I've given you a decision from your beloved Queen's Bench, which you seem to think allows your odd version of common law, where a judge demolishes these ideas.
And does so forensically, analysing the various types of bullshit and listing exactly why they are wrong, and which cases have previously shown that.
And points out that the arguments are so absurd that not only shouldn't they be accepted, they shouldn't even receive court time, and are reason to subject anyone who raises them to cost penalties.
I've shown you that the  Trinsey v. Pagliaro decision simply doesn't saw what you've been told that it did.
I've shown you that your hero Karl is doing just the sort of scammy things that the 'gurus' referred to in the judgement do.
You can lead a horse to water ...


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If you want to see how, where and why the common law can be made to apply to human beings in America to do exactly the things that I have been saying, look at the free info at http://1215.org/, and particularly http://1215.org/changes.htm.

I can't find any examples there of cases where your theories have been used successfully.

If you didn't read the Wikipedia page, here are some other examples from Common Law countries where your ideas didn't work:
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Other[edit]
Elizabeth Watson came to public attention in 2011 as a self-styled legal adviser for Victoria Haigh in a child custody case, was given a nine-month prison sentence for contempt of court (suspended later when she purged her contempt).[9] She had written "no contract" on court documents, denied the lawful authority of the proceedings, and used the "of the ..... family" format when referring to Ms Haigh and herself. (The custody case had concerned false allegations that the child's father was a paedophile.)[10]

Mark Bond, of Norfolk, England was arrested in 2010 for non-payment of tax, despite handing police a "notice of intent" stating that he was no longer a UK citizen. He told police that the notice had already been delivered to the Queen and the prime minister. He told the local paper: "Today I asked the judge to walk into the court under common law and not commercial law. If I had entered under commercial law it would prove that I accepted its law. I was denied my rights to go in there." He was sentenced to three months custody, suspended on condition that he pay off the debt at £20 a week.[11]

Bobby Sludds, appeared in court in County Wexford in Ireland charged with various motoring offences including two counts of no insurance. Before the police began to give evidence, the accused handed in a letter stating he was not Mr Sludds but Bobby of the family Sludds and questioning the use of the word 'person' in the charge. He was given two suspended sentences and a fine of €670. (He had 24 previous convictions for motoring offences.)[12]

Wilfred Keith Thompson and two others were arrested by police in Guelph, Ontario (Canada), charged with break, enter and theft as well as firearms offences. Thompson had previously made headlines for informing City Hall, local police, Guelph MP Frank Valeriote, Prime Minister Stephen Harper and other officials he is "an autonomous being not controlled by others". One of his co-defendants, Trevor “Red” De Block, refused to identify himself to the court, though it was said that his criminal mug shot, computer records, tattoos and other information confirmed his identity. "I object," De Block said, adding that he was not the "rightful owner" of his name, but refusing to clarify or participate in legal proceedings. "I don’t bow down to bail [sic] . . . to false gods," he said, and rejected assistance from the appointed lawyer. Thompson and De Block were denied bail.[13]

Dean Marshall, of Preston, East Riding of Yorkshire, England, was taken to court after he was found to be growing 26 cannabis plants in his garden shed. Claiming he was a Freeman on the Land and therefore not guilty, he then attempted to call up Queen Elizabeth II and David Cameron as his witnesses, although he was told that neither was available to attend. A jury at Hull Crown Court dismissed his claims and convicted him of conspiracy to produce cannabis for which he was given a 12-month prison sentence, suspended for two years, and was ordered to carry out 150 hours of unpaid work. [14]

Doug Jones, of Pembroke Dock, Wales, spent 22 days in prison after refusing to take a breath test. Jones questioned the authority and jurisdiction of the court, asking to see the judge's 'Oath of Office' which resulted in a sentence of fourteen days for contempt of court. He was sentenced to a further seven days after failing to attend a second hearing, but pleaded guilty to the original charges, receiving an endorsement on his driving license. His interest in the Freemen on the Land movement started after watching documentaries on conspiracy theories surrounding the September 11 attacks and London bombings. His solicitor, Phillipa Ashworth, stated “On this occasion, in hindsight he appreciates it was not the time to test out philosophical theories behind this approach to life, and in hindsight it isn’t something he would do again.”[15]

Gavin Kaylhem, of Grimsby, England, wilfully refused to pay his council tax debts of £1,268.54 accrued between 2001 and 2008 and was sentenced to 30 days imprisonment. He had claimed that he was a "Freeman" and thus had no contractual duty under Common Law to pay. He refused to co-operate with magistrates' questions.[16]
38  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bangladesh says Bitcoin users could be jailed for up to 12 years on: October 16, 2014, 02:12:11 PM
More good stuff from Mears vs Mears, which is directly on point:
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[325]      Another ‘immunity’ ‘magic hat’ is an argument that the litigant is only subject to a different form of law than that which would otherwise apply to the present action. This category is arguably a facet of the ‘restricted court authority’ immunity group.
 
[326]      It is helpful at this point to make a few comments on the manner in which OPCA litigants often use the term “common law”. OPCA litigants often draw an arbitrary line between “statutes” and “common law”, and say they are subject to “common law”, but not legislation. Of course, the opposite is in fact true, the “common law” is law developed incrementally by courts, and which is subordinate to legislation: statutes and regulations passed by the national and provincial governments. The Constitution Act provides the rules and principles that restrict the scope and nature of legislation, both by jurisdiction and on the basis of rights (ie. the Charter).
 
[327]      Persons who claim to only be subject to the “common law” also do not appear to mean the current common law, but typically instead reference some historic, typically medieval, form of English law, quite often the Magna Carta, which, as I have previously observed, is generally irrelevant.
 
[328]      Alberta Treasury Branches v. Klassen, 2004 ABQB 463 (CanLII) at para. 25, 364 A.R. 230 provides an example of how this ‘mutant’ common law may be expressed:
 
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The above pose the fundamental reasons why I asked for a Court where this case could be tried under Natural law, for the Natural human person, an Anglo‑Saxon Common Law Court. A Court without pretension, on a level floor without tiers, where the Judge is not in an Administrative capacity, but that of a Minister ‑ not unlike the clergy. It's a court where jurisdiction is declared with a flying Canadian flag on the building or within the designated Courtroom.
 
If Alberta does not have such a Court, it is incumbent to be provided. Otherwise it is contravening justice being served or seeming to be served, because the Court is operating under the colour of law.

[329]       Another example of the peculiar OPCA definition of common law is that certain litigants will claim to not require motor vehicle registrations, licenses, or license plates, because when they operate a motor vehicle they are exercising their common law “right to travel”: R. v. Peddle, 1999 ABCA 284 (CanLII) at para. 7, 244 A.R. 184.
 
[330]      The Courts have consistently rejected OPCA arguments that the common law trumps legislation: R. v. Sargent, 2004 ONCJ 356 (CanLII) at paras. 42-43, [2005] 1 C.T.C. 448. OPCA litigants also sometimes advance an ill-defined “natural law” which is the sole authority over “flesh and blood” or “natural human persons”: Alberta Treasury Branches v. Klassen, 2004 ABQB 463 (CanLII) at paras. 25, 32, 364 A.R. 230, see also R. v. Warman, 2001 BCCA 510 (CanLII) at paras. 9-10, 15. This language also appears in Mr. Meads’ ‘fee schedule’.

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[624]      In that sense the debate on the validity of OPCA concepts, such as there ever was, is over. The provincial and federal courts of appeal have uniformly upheld trial decisions to reject OPCA concepts. By my count at least nine of these cases sought leave to appeal from the Supreme Court of Canada. None were granted. Legally, there is no dispute or issue outstanding.

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[636]      It is my hope that these Reasons will provide a foundation for court response, but also act to educate potential OPCA litigants. It may be helpful to refer persons who appear to have adopted OPCA concepts to these Reasons. If nothing else, the parade of failures will refute OPCA gurus’ all too frequent claims that the techniques they sell are universally effective.

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[663]      As I suspect these Reasons will come to the attention of present and potential OPCA litigants, and other members in the OPCA movements, I wish to make some comments directly to these readers that I hope will prove of some assistance.
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[668]      Last, I have some questions you may wish to direct to those gurus who provide you advice:
 
1.         Why do these gurus seem to have little, if any, wealth, when they say they hold the proverbial keys to untold riches?
 
2.         Why do those gurus not go to court themselves, if they are so certain of their knowledge? If they say they have been to court, ask them for the proceeding file number, and see if their account is accurate. Those are public records.
 
3.         Can that guru identify even one reported court decision where their techniques proved successful? If not, why then are all successes a tale of an unnamed person, who knew someone who saw that kind of event occur?
 
4.         How are their ideas different and distinct from those surveyed and rejected in these Reasons?
 
5.         How are these advisors different from the OPCA gurus who have been unsuccessful and found themselves in jail? What did Porisky, Warman, and Lindsay do wrong?
 
6.         Will your advisors promise to indemnify you, when you apply the techniques they claim are foolproof? If not, why?
 
7.         If they cannot explain these points, then why should you pay them for their legal nonsense?
I doubt any of this will change your mind though.
39  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bangladesh says Bitcoin users could be jailed for up to 12 years on: October 16, 2014, 12:56:08 PM
In a common law nation, common law is basic. There are parallel systems of law running right in the same court. A magistrate may attempt to draw a person over into statute law by using certain words in court. If the person bringing the claim is careful, he will block the judge's use of words that would otherwise remove him from common law over into statute law. Most people aren't experienced enough to realize what is happening.

Ah, I've found the correct name for the rubbish you seem to believe: "Freemen on the land"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemen_on_the_land
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None of the beliefs held by Freemen have ever been supported by any judgments or verdicts in any criminal or civil court cases.

The arguments don't work.
There is no recorded case where they have worked.
Examples where they have failed are given in the article.

You can read the full decision of Meads vs Meads, referred to in the Wikipedia article here: http://www.canlii.org/en/ab/abqb/doc/2012/2012abqb571/2012abqb571.html
(By the way, this was a Queen's Bench hearing, so you should really like it?)

But this quote is all you really need:
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The bluntly idiotic substance of Mr. Mead’s argument explains the unnecessarily complicated manner in which it was presented. OPCA arguments are never sold to their customers as simple ideas, but instead are byzantine schemes which more closely resemble the plot of a dark fantasy novel than anything else. Latin maxims and powerful sounding language are often used. Documents are often ornamented with many strange marking and seals. Litigants engage in peculiar, ritual‑like in court conduct. All these features appear necessary for gurus to market OPCA schemes to their often desperate, ill‑informed, mentally disturbed, or legally abusive customers. This is crucial to understand the non-substance of any OPCA concept or strategy. The story and process of a OPCA scheme is not intended to impress or convince the Courts, but rather to impress the guru’s customer. [emphasis in original]

It seems to have worked on you.

Read this bit again:
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OPCA arguments are never sold to their customers as simple ideas, but instead are byzantine schemes which more closely resemble the plot of a dark fantasy novel than anything else. Latin maxims and powerful sounding language are often used.
And the go back to Karl's page, and read this:
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Buy an Invoice Pad today, to BILL the next Public SERVANT that Orders thou [You] !
(thou = singular cf. Ye - Nominative / You - Objective which are Plurals... i will explain later)
Example:
When A[NY] Public SERVANT stops thou at the side of the road and Orders a PERFORMANCE of and/or from thou by way of the use of His (or Her) Voice, these  UTTERANCES are defined as HIS (or HER) Wishes AND Orders delivered upon thou (placing a Burden Upon thou!)
 Example(s) :
ORDERS thou as a [wo]man to get out of YOUR car !
ORDERS thou, as a [wo]man  to "GIVE-UP" up his or her  "GIVEN-name"!
ORDERS thou, as a [wo]man to perform ANY task (such as hand-over a Licence)!
et ceteras, et cetaras, et ceteras...
Deliever Upon HIM (or HER) a BILL (an INVOICE) !
(BILL / INVOICE: c. 1400; that of "order to pay" ( technically 'Bill of Exchange' is from 1570s)
Example:
When "HE" or "SHE" ( a Public Servant) makes their WISHES to perform known and ORDER(s) Upon thou ( a man or woman) make sure to require of Him or Her to remember "Fair-and-Just" COMPENSATION, is now due for carrying-out His or Her Wishes and ORDER(s)!

The Judge had nailed it, hasn't he?

Some other nice bits from the decision:
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[70]           These Reasons in many instances identify reported caselaw that comments on OPCA litigants, OPCA gurus, and their misconduct. It should be understood that the reported caselaw is the proverbial tip of the iceberg. The vast majority of encounters between this Court and OPCA litigants are not reported. These litigants and their schemes have been encountered in almost all areas of law. They appear in chambers, in criminal proceedings, initiate civil litigation based on illusionary OPCA rights, attempt to evade court and state authority with procedural and defence-based schemes, and interfere with unrelated matters.
 
[71]           OPCA strategies as brought before this Court have proven disruptive, inflict unnecessary expenses on other parties, and are ultimately harmful to the persons who appear in court and attempt to invoke these vexatious strategies. Because of the nonsense they argue, OPCA litigants are invariably unsuccessful and their positions dismissed, typically without written reasons. Nevertheless, their litigation abuse continues. The growing volume of this kind of vexatious litigation is a reason why these Reasons suggest a strong response to curb this misconduct.
 
[72]           Beyond that, these are little more than scams that abuse legal processes. As this Court now recognizes that these schemes are intended for that purpose, a strict approach is appropriate when the Court responds to persons who purposefully say they stand outside the rules and law, or who intend to abuse, disrupt, and ultimately break the legal processes that govern conduct in Canada. The persons who advance these schemes, and particularly those who market and sell these concepts as commercial products, are parasites that must be stopped.
 
[73]           A critical first point is an appreciation that the concepts discussed in these Reasons are frequently a commercial product, designed, promoted, and sold by a community of individuals, whom I refer to as “gurus”. Gurus claim that their techniques provide easy rewards – one does not have to pay tax, child and spousal support payments, or pay attention to traffic laws. There are allegedly secret but accessible bank accounts that contain nearly unlimited funds, if you know the trick to unlock their gates. You can transform a bill into a cheque with a stamp and some coloured writing. You are only subject to criminal sanction if you agree to be subject to criminal sanction. You can make yourself independent of any state obligation if you so desire, and unilaterally force and enforce demands on other persons, institutions, and the state. All this is a consequence of the fact gurus proclaim they know secret principles and law, hidden from the public, but binding on the state, courts, and individuals.
 
[74]           And all these “secrets” can be yours, for small payment to the guru.
 
[75]           These claims are, of course, pseudolegal nonsense. A judge who encounters and reviews OPCA concepts will find their errors are obvious and manifest, once one strips away the layers of peculiar language, irrelevant references, and deciphers the often bizarre documentation which accompanies an OPCA scheme. When reduced to their conceptual core, most OPCA concepts are contemptibly stupid. Mr. Meads, for example, has presented the Court with documents that appear to be a contract between himself, and himself. One Mr. Meads promises to pay for any liability of the other Mr. Meads. One owns all property, the other all debts. What is the difference between these entities? One spells his name with upper case letters. The other adds spurious and meaningless punctuation to his name. Mr. Meads (with punctuation) is the Mr. Meads who appeared in court. He says the Mr. Meads (all capitals) is the one who should pay child and spousal support.

That isn't just me saying it, is was the senior administrative judge of the Edmondton Queen's Bench.

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[78]           Mediaeval alchemy is a helpful analogue. Alchemists sold their services based on the theatre of their activities, rather than demonstrated results, or any analytical or systematic methodology. OPCA gurus are modern legal alchemists. They promise gold, but their methods are principally intended to impress the gullible, or those who wish to use this drivel to abuse the court system. Any lack of legal success by the OPCA litigant is, of course, portrayed as a consequence of the customer’s failure to properly understand and apply the guru’s special knowledge.
 
[79]           Caselaw that relates to Gurus, reviewed below, explains how gurus present these ideas in seminars, books, websites, and instructional DVDs and other recordings. They provide pre‑prepared documents, which sometimes are government forms, and instruct how to fill in the necessary information that then produces the desired effects. Gurus write scripts to follow in court. Some will attempt to act as your representative, and argue your case.
 
[80]           When gurus do appear in court their schemes uniformly fail, which is why most leave court appearances to their customers. That explains why it is not unusual to find that an OPCA litigant cannot even explain their own materials. They did not write them. They do not (fully) understand them. OPCA litigants appear, engage in a court drama that is more akin to a magic spell ritual than an actual legal proceeding, and wait to see if the court is entranced and compliant. If not, the litigant returns home to scrutinize at what point the wrong incantation was uttered, an incorrectly prepared artifact waved or submitted.

Doesn't that sound an awful lot like Karl?
40  Economy / Economics / Re: why do people agree to pay taxes? on: October 16, 2014, 12:39:05 PM
the only reason this works is because the citizens are unorganized and unarmed.
if people gather in groups of tens of people to protect each other against the government there is no way they could throw anyone in jail.

Well then they would probably make an example of a few to intimidate the rest.

how will they do that if they have a million armed people marching on their jail.
there are millions of us and only a few thousand of them, its insane that people haven't gathered up and thrown those government thugs in a cage yet.

It has happened many times in history.
Those people then form a new government which, in time, turns out to be pretty similar to the old one.
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