sooo.... price is $181    how'd that happen?

Emerging market national currencies all seem to be tanking. This is prolly giving us a boost.

"Low prices" is a relative term. These same dash were going for $135 a few days ago. I agree, most of this is due to people not upgrading, but that doesn't mean all of it.

It's possible SOME MNs are being taken off line as the collateral is getting dumped in the market after a 36% pump in price.

Dude. I got a masternode. It's a huge investment for me percentage wise, so of course I am concerned about anything that affects it. I did sell ~10 dash @  $220 that had been piling up.   I say the negative stuff because ALL you get from the official sources is good news/propaganda.

That appears to be a flaw in the strategy of using Dash for remittances to VZ. If the expatriots don't have money to send, it doesn't matter very much if we can help save them money doing it.

The strategy seems to me to be to build a Dash community in VZ that will not ever cash out, so it will become a way to soak up liquidity and make it less likely that price will dump and make pumps more dramatic. The problem comes in that VZ is by most metrics a net consumer of wealth, not a producer, which means that most of that dash will eventually be cashed out as Venezuelans buy imports to survive.

Is there reason to believe Venezuela is becoming a net producer of wealth again? If so what is that reason?

Am I missing something? This is a real question and not concern-trolling.

This Zastrow guy is awesome. FuzeX, the Krip phones, the ATMs.  These are exactly the sort of integrations Dash needs.

The most damage initiated by Osama Bin Ladin was not from the three thousand people he murdered but from the overreaction he provoked, the overreaction of George W. Bush and the majority of Americans who supported (at least at first) the Iraq War. The number of soldiers lost was higher than the number of casualties at the World Trade Center and the Penatagon.  The economic damage (estimated to be around a trillion dollars) was greater and the U.S. also lost much of it's standing in the international community.

But was Osama to blame for this overreaction, or was that self-inflicted by the United States? It depends on how you look at it. I see the situation with Dash similarly. Certainly there was and is tribalism in the cryptospace. Certainly there are bad actors. There are obviously people acting dishonestly, deceitfully, and unfairly.  There is disinformation. There is trolling. There are active efforts to deny Dash the credit it is due for real accomplishments.  But in my opinion none of that justifies the overreaction of censorship and this paranoid mentality of persecution.

Haterz gonna hate. Trolls gonna troll. So what? Who told you the world was fair? Your reaction should be to make Dash so much better than the detractor's descriptions that the world has no choice but to see through them. By circling the wagons and refusing to engage, you are playing right into their hands. Name-calling is not an argument. Censorship is not refutation. We are better than this.  It's embarrassing.

You don't get it. I am not threatened by you. Either you tank the price and prove me right or you pump the price and make me rich. You are an amusing clown.  Do you really think I care if you call me a troll? Dash will likely succeed with or without you, but you will either go away or change your ways first which would be nice or you will provide me with entertainment while I wait, cashing in service rewards the whole time.

So keep it coming if you so desire. I'm making popcorn.

How is it possible you can't see that you are making my point better than I could ever make it on my own?  A claim's validity is independent of the person making it. It wouldn't matter if I was Satan himself because the reason is there along with the evidence that you are providing. You are ascribing motives you can't possibly know to people you have never met. There is a cult at the heart of Dash and as long as it is tolerated by the moderate majority, Dash will not become that which it is otherwise capable of being: Digital Cash for the whole world.

The reason for the continued existence or r/dashuncensored is not Monero trolls and haterz. It's you and your cult of crimethink-policing censors.  Problem number ONE in dash is in my opinion Pay and Pray. Problem #2 is you.  Have you no self-awareness at all? Can you not see the damage you are causing?

Monero is in my view an INFERIOR but interesting project, with many of the same goals as Dash. It's not the boogieman. There are Dash haterz there. There is stiff competition. There is even some dirty dealing and acting in bad faith, but Monero isn't half the threat to Dash that you are. You are acting like a bunch of tin-foil hat wearing conspiracy nuts. This does not make Dash attractive to normal investors.

So new guys, this is what you can expect from the "welcoming" Dash community. Any concerns you have can be written off as concern-trolling. Any improvements can be attacked as an attempt to destroy Dash as we know it. You motivations may and in my view likely WILL be questioned. Your loyalty will be challenged. You can and I think probably will be pilloried, harassed, attacked, questioned, and vilified for trying to HELP. Your ability to contribute or help will likely be dismissed. Your willingness to make substantive improvements will not be appreciated. If you do anything other than parrot the party line or cheer-lead and join in the bullying, you may face the same hostility I have faced and am facing.  I am not alone. This has happened many times, and r/dashcensored contains only a partial sample of others with similar experiences.

You deserve to know this.

Did you even read what I wrote that you quoted?

"My plan? if this passes, continue to make small experiments and to scale up when they work and to support anyone else working to fix this problem. If this or other or better decision proposals DON'T pass, then the plan is to reduce my exposure to Dash, as in start selling my MNO service rewards and stop recommending it so enthusiastically to others and eventually if nothing is done look for a better project."

This is a transparent attempt to spin me, a masternode owner and person who has spent my own time and money in attempting to bring awareness to an important issue, as a hater. You are free to disagree with my suggested improvements and to propose your own if you like, but this is exactly the sort of badthink-policing that drives away investors.

the prop https://www.dashcentral.org/p/Commitment-to-Improve-Funding-Model is winning 192/133 as of this writing.  My commitment to Dash is NOT absolute, and I fail to see why it should be absolute unless one is an uncritical fundamentalist maximalist permabull cultist.  I will stay with Dash as long as it is the best investment in the cryptosphere I can find and not longer. Do you expect investors to do otherwise? What in your experience leads you to believe that will happen?

Do you not have faith that new Dashers can discern trolling from legit criticism?  There is a name for news that omits anything negative, even if that news is relevant and important. That name is "propaganda".

Yes, there is trolling on r/dashuncensored. Yes there is criticism for which there is legitimate counterarguments, but r/dashpay and the other moderated forums are doing a DISSERVICE to Dash users by deleting, censoring and banning because you don't agree with something.  In a free society, bad speech is fought with good speech, not censorship. 

If you wanna be an uncritical fanboi, that's your right. If you wanna be a glaze-eyed cultist who polices "badthink", then I am not going to let that go without comment.  Dash is a great project with amazing technology, but all projects have problems. All projects have areas that need improvement and Dash is no different.  When your advocacy interferes with needed improvements, I have an issue with that. New dashers deserve the whole truth, not just the approved sales pitch. 

and if Antpool doesn't upgrade to 12.3, what good is any DIP? How are upgrades even useful if people don't upgrade? Why does it take the largest most profitable mining company in the world months to upgrade when I could do it in two days as a non-tech?

this might actually be a phone available to customers now.

http://www.kriptomobile.com/

https://mobile.twitter.com/KriptoMobile

When a similar arrangement was made with bitgo, Ryan Taylor himself came out and personally lobbied for treasury funds.

Hey, listen. I agree that these Krip phones look promising, as does the market apparently, but it doesn't answer my question. What in our overburdened treasury are we going to give up in order to get them?

Slow and steady wins the race. This is as true with ion drives and rockets and it is with tortoises and hares.  As far as I can tell this Kripto phone is not out yet and the chances of it ever coming out is less that 100%.  Like so may projects before it, it has a chance of coming in late, over budget or not at all. Dash's ability to sustain projects in a variety of market conditions long enough for their promise to come to fruition is a factor we need to consider when MNOs vote to fund them. 

I encourage all masternode owners and other investors to remain optimistic, but cautiously optimistic because a failed projects is more costly than not having a project at all and the treasury can actually be a net liability to Dash if too many projects fail or underperform. Projects must be sustainable or they will not be sustained, not matter how hard we try. If we have too many projects, it's even possible that they could all fail due to underfunding.

So if Dash phones are worth investing in, what might be worth sacrificing to get them?