With all do respect I can not believe what I reading (has every one forgotten why the invention of bitcoin was a stroke of genius ? aka trust-less)
, fungibility is obviously a nice feature but it does not trump, trust-less nature of transparant blockchains.  Truth be told fungibility in fiat currency is close to non-existing, well at least for the digital part of it. You have chosen to trust a dev team and open-source code they make.  You can how ever have a respectable level of fungibility via mixing, and you can keep on mixing until your satisfied with it.

And now that it actually have been proven that it can happen, shouldn't that mean more and more people should start waking up to the fact.

And yes ofcourse it may be possible for transparant crypto's to become broken, but once this happens thanks to the transparancy everyone immidiatally notice it has happend. That the whole point and reason why transparency is needed. Unless your doing something very illegal and you want to make sure you don't get caught, you should use opaque blockchain, but the best way to use it would be as payment tunnel.

At any-rate Monero is doing the best job of all the crypto-note coins, and its obviously ridicules that the coin getting surpassed by Bytecoin.

Question1:
How high a probability do you think it has that will happen again ?

Question2:
How much of your investment portfolio should be invested in this type of (even more risky) crypto investment  in comparison to other crypto currency's?

Both questions are not answered to my satisifation

For starters
1) My personal counter argument not to invest in non-transparent coins has always been because, the chance of such event event could exist, do I have been attacked for saying it, I have now been proven right. Monero dodge major bullet, and props for them for figuring it out on time, but why would not happen again and again and again.  Espically because everybody ensured me that it could NOT happen at all, and I was simply a troll by make such a claim which now has been proven right  

2) I am not going into the code for various reasons, I would like a little bit more to go on that just trust us. I would like to see a decent blog post or something

It's still does not answer my question, its just allot of opinions. I don't mean any disrespect here, and I am not troll, I believe right now is the best choice in crypto for daily use as a crypto. Once Evolution will come out it it can be just that first time premium for mainstream adoption and we should get as many people on board with that as possible.

Personally I a have little bit of education and experience with marketing(perhaps allot more than most looking the reply's), and one thing that sticks out from my point of view, with marketing of financial products is the goal is to make it very generic in good way, to speak to as broad amount of people as possible. Seeing Dash is a decentralized currency, which aims to by every one, this should the main goal as well.

How ever this video's exactly the opposite of that, it very off putting, and their is no need to pull in negative attention to dash.

But most importantly of all the video is on " Dash - Digital Cash"  and this is sort of DASH it's official YouTube channel. Put it on a fan made link and I would have been find with it.


That in fact made it that much worst, well at-least for does that disliked 


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GY11UJEeDuI

Jupp that decent video, nothing wrong with this one, very few people will be off put by it (other than trolls).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVzggP7k3fo

Totally disagree, this marketing gone bad, looking from all the down votes many people agree.
This video should also not have been posted on Dash digital as well.
The music is just terrible and it sticks in my mind to (yes music is quite personal, but is way to far of base)

If I am missing something here please tell.  Otherwise please take it down

https://getmonero.org/2017/05/17/disclosure-of-a-major-bug-in-cryptonote-based-currencies.html

Two question

1) Why did the Monero price not get affected ?



2) How did they confirm that its never been exploited ? Any more details on that ?

You did close to 1400 posts  maybe you should do some time reading as well ? and maybe come back with some proper feedback, non- of my claims here as have been refuted.

Nope not true, it was not a pre-mine it was an instamine, and their is lots and lots of info on that. On the other hand:
PIVX a 100% fastmine

To sum it up:
-DASH is only a 10% instamine of the totall coin supply  vs 100% fastmine with masternodes earning straight from the start with PIVX
- PIVX had only a mining periode of 181 day's, 70% minined out in less than 100 days
- PIVx two anonymous creators did burn their pre-mine of 6 masternodes, but kept the rewards (anyways it worked out well from a markting perspective, my compliments )
- PIVX masternodes earned straight from the start, the rewards where so large that early holders, never had to sell their mn
- PIVX hash-rate has been very low during the POW mining fase, aka few people where mining it
- PIVX its coin distribution especially during and just after the POW fase was very concentrated, still close to 250 addresses held during this quick rise in marketcap (the smart owners either sold off allot or at the very least divided their holdings of multiple addresses
http://www.presstab.pw/phpexplorer/PIVX/richlist.php?count=250

Very little info to clear up the 100% fastmine of PIVX but plenty of good information on DASH it's 10% instamine:

Evan Duffield has no more than 256,000 Dash and will give away 80% of that to fund DAOs within DASH https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/62jc3b/evan_duffield_has_no_more_than_256000_dash_and/
Dash Instamine Issue Clarification https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/OC/Dash+Instamine+Issue+Clarification
Instamine FAQ https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Legacy+FAQ#LegacyFAQ-WasDashInstamined
Was The Instamine A Positive Thing For Dash? https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118
My View: Dash’s Instamine Is Not A Problem http://fintekneeks.com/my-view-dashs-pre-mine-is-not-a-problem/
Deep technical analysis of the early mining and distribution https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg15619552#msg15619552
Confessions of a Instaminer Hashman https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg18041424#msg18041424

Actually I am very critical of DASH it's instamine, and I had to read up allot about it:

This a nice sum up what I read (sorry of the off-topic but I want to make clear I am critical of all coins I invest it):

Evan Duffield has no more than 256,000 Dash and will give away 80% of that to fund DAOs within DASH https://www.reddit.com/r/dashpay/comments/62jc3b/evan_duffield_has_no_more_than_256000_dash_and/
Dash Instamine Issue Clarification https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/OC/Dash+Instamine+Issue+Clarification
Instamine FAQ https://dashpay.atlassian.net/wiki/display/DOC/Legacy+FAQ#LegacyFAQ-WasDashInstamined
Was The Instamine A Positive Thing For Dash? https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118
My View: Dash’s Instamine Is Not A Problem http://fintekneeks.com/my-view-dashs-pre-mine-is-not-a-problem/
Deep technical analysis of the early mining and distribution https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg15619552#msg15619552
Confessions of a Instaminer Hashman https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg18041424#msg18041424

*PS also Evan has stepped done as CEO.

Also it is not my intend to post in such negative light about any coin. But I could not stand for PIVX vs DASH marketing. In which it claims to be superior to DASH, I had to counter it I almost see it as my moral obligation.

 

Off all the proposal that are out there this (pre) proposal dwarfs them all:

https://www.dash.org/forum/threads/pre-proposal-alt36-dash-payment-platform.14517/

it's never to early to read up something so important.

SEGWIT is dominating conversation for a long time, and LTC is about the implemented as soon as the can hit the 75% threshold in support of it.
Cryptocurrency traders are trading this heavily. So LTC is in the spotlight for sure.

I will expect some comparison between LTC and it new code upgrade SEGWIT vs DASH its masternode and instant sent technology. I am pretty sure DASH will win that battle as soon as people realize that SEGWIT with the help of lightning network still does not offer comparable usability compared to DASH its instant sent technology.

I am go to patiently wait and see how this unfolds. 

Sure it took 5 months to solve the bug in the  Governance Model, that disabled voting. Also the syncing time of the latest  PIVX wallet vs a DASH wallet is slower even do it blocksize is atleast 3xtimes smaller.

There has been allot of criticism of DASH, but the info was incorrect it was not a pre-mine it was an instamine, and their is lots and lots of info on that.
-It was only a 10% instamine of the totall coin supply  vs 100% fastmine with masternodes earning straight from the start
To sum that up what happend:
- PIVX had only a mining periode of 181 day's, 70% minined out in less than 100 days
- PIVx two anonymous creators did burn their pre-mine of 6 masternodes, but keept the rewards (anyways it worked out well from a markting perspective, my compliments )
- PIVX masternodes earned straight from the start, the rewards where so large that early holders, never had to sell their mn
- PIVX hash-rate has been very low during the POW mining fase, aka few people where mining it
- PIVX its coin distribution especially during and just after the POW fase was very concentrated, still close to 250 addresses held during this quick rise in marketcap (the smart owners either sold off allot or at the very least divided their holdings of multiple addresses

Their are other coins that have that same problem, most of them do not get added to Polo (for instant WAVES)

PIVX for the most part is a straight up copy past of dash, and it has bug in its Governance Model for 5 months which disables one off the most important features, no where on the PIVX site is this even mentioned.
Just does 2 reason alone would make it legit, not to add PIVX at least not yet.

Please don't FUD poloniex

Your information is just marketing info and paint a very unfair picture does that do not know what going on.
Most people think that fast block-time = better, bit that not the case there both positives as negatives

I do have a question, how come PIVX has faster instant transactions ? I don't think that very likely

I wanted to disagree with you on this onebut than I realized that every Decred voter needs to have extensive knowledge about each and every part of the code both the code that has been proposed in the past (because things can be rolled back) and of-course new code. Just to think about it the list will become extremely long over time if anything and everything can be rolled back.

But than again if their is some way to find some middle ground in it. Evan also talked about giving masternodes similar voting power, in the future, and in a way how segwit activation works is quite similar as well, the only difference is you vote by installing the new software.

I am actually not sure which way is best, but I am quite content on how DASH is doing it, it's the middle-way. More research needs to be done. DASH core already talking about this question and similar ones, and is already thinking about doing some, or more likely hiring people to do in dept research.

One thing 1 am sure of is do, very few people are actually qualified to answer all the questions. And that is also why I like the high entry barrier into DASH masternodes as well,because they have at the very least a large enough incentive to study/research  on these hard questions/votes.

First off all how was it mitigated ?

Secondly That's the same argument your using goes for DASH masternodes as well, you have to pay, actually you have to pay big time. As no real masternode owners going to do it willingly, only does that are willing to buy up at the very least a minimum 20% of the DASH network just to be able to spy a very small portion of it, that whole strategy is self defeating
DASH masternodes Get paid to spy on it ? Who do you get now that sounds like FUD to me ! please explain how the get paid for that service it's no where to be found.

Than why are you making this argument ?

Thank you for point that out to me, I made mistake, I'll edit my previous post. To be more precise
Please read the previous post again if I need to do more corrections


The Crypto Baron their is no need to personally attack me, that's called Trolling
If I am wrong about something please correct me, I will edit my post accordingly

And yes I am invested in DASH, and that is why I am researching PIVX as I am in no way bound to any coin as should any good investor be, but I am not going to jump to ship, if i feel its not seaworthy (yet) even if lots of people jump ship.

I also have another question about the 6 masternodes that where burned

Form this information, i deduce that the first 6masternodes, earned at least 20% of the totall block-reward for some time

PoW Rewards Breakdown:
[Block 000002-432000] 20% MN (50 PIV) / 80% MINER (200 PIV)
[Block 043201-151200] 20% MN (50 PIV) / 70% MINER (200 PIV) / 10% BUDGET (25 PIV)
[Block 151201-259200] 45% MN (22.5 PIV) / 45% MINER (22.5 PIV) / 10% BUDGET (5 PIV)

Question 1) How much did these 6 masternodes earn from that
Question 2) Did the rewards these 6 masternodes earned also get burned ?

* I understand you guys are starting to dislike me and I am fine with that, but my questions non the less stand and they should be properly answered especially due to how PIVX is marketing it coin to public.

It's not an easy read and prehaps people that have greater knowgled about this perticulair subject to clear things up for me and for prehaps others as well
http://monerolink.com/monerolink.pdf


The article clearly states that they have read the Monero Research Lab

Q: So why is Fluffy calling this article out as if they did not read the articles produced by Monero Research Lab publications  ?

Found an answer myself:  Fluffy did not read it ( just read a couple message's down)
https://twitter.com/fluffyponyza/status/852932608577155072

I'll leave standing, because I find it quite remarkable, that lot of in independent people with mostlikely far limited skilled do take the time to read it but he does not.


Q: this article  Clearly state that the understand that and incorporate the newest version yet to launchee in September 2017, than how is this FUD and old news ?

Also
This part:

Q: why is okay to attack Dash on the idea that  Masternodes can be a malicious party, yet in this case it can not be the case ?

Thank you in advance

Is their a betting pool or something what it will be ? 
If so here is what i am betting on, DASH accepted on Apple



*PS long time lurker here since before even the birth of dash(hence the name), and holder

It's not that difficult to understand if you know good of a marketing team they hired is, and they hired it at just the right time, Dash was finally get the recognition it deserved, and broke true the Troll-army that BASHED DASH, no stop.
Allot of people fall for this FUD. PIVX was able to Pivot (lol even the name is an inside joke) Against all does users that than started say he DASH is great, but the trolls are right, but look at PIVX wow, it does not have any of DASH it's problems, and because people where unable to understand they fall for the FUD, they where also unable not to fall for the marketing off PIVX

You must understand that great deal of people investing in crypto actually lacks sufficient knowledge how things work, in fact most people do as you need to  have multiple fields of expertise to understand it all, and unless your fulltime in crypto changes are you'll will not get them any-time soon (I am full time in crypto and yet I learn new things every day)

Also its not just about what a coin can do but also allot of users just invest via the graphs and draw lines on it, these don't even care about the product.

Also this coin had 70% fast mine in less than 100 days and completely the POW minining fase at 181days, and after day 181 it became POS, and the big holders from the early day's can just keep selling their POS coins(it actually is breaks their best argument if you undestand the 10% instamine of DASH vs 100% fastmine of PIVX). Further more Masternodes started earning start from the start:


*found here: https://forum.pivx.org/t/pivx-announcement-information-thread-english/68


What this creates is that a few people own that the supply and that supply is constrained, the early holders are not planning to flood the market just yet with their coins, they are smart and slowly selling off their POS earnings.
The big whales that play around with other coins have not yet bought up enough coins to start playing with it, like you see with other coins that have a better distribution. At some point it will end do but when ?

But having this said, their is a chance now that PIVX has allot of market cap they may actually will start building stuff as well, but before that that can happen they need to FIX one big thing, namely how to get POS working with the Governance Model. The funny thing is the biggest change that made is going 100% POS, and yet that actually probably broke one of the most important features they copy pasted from dash the Masternode voting budgeting system, I am not sure do why it broke, but the DASH budgeting system still works fine do, and if it could have been broken by the same bug/error, I am certain people would have already attacked dash on it.

This is just what I have learned about until now, still looking into it.

The proposal system has not worked for months, so no new coins are being allocated to hire people to do new projects.
What I understood if it it happend when started changing code the code pasted from DASH. Apparently there are some difficulty to make it work with change from POW/POS hybrid, to full POS.