Odin > BlockNet

+1 both sites. chat and chain seem to be down/non-responsive. also the old discord is missing I think. Lambomoon2020?

with the release of the android app, slowly de-bugging and making it nice, if we keep being positive and watch adoption grow,
this will be a good time for ODIN, you will see the rise happen with the general discovery and adoption of BlockNet.

both BlockNet and ODIN are undervalued, so having a working site is important. also maintaining BlockNet at least and the app will surely grow.
a desktop application is also a good idea, so people can send public keys and stuff from android to pc.

good luck, have fun and stay safe in these crazy times. don't be afraid to redistribute old effort, you might feel like you'd done things and that makes them no longer relevant, but only a handful of people in our community saw all the cool stuff going on here. kinda like Banano xD you need to be in it to see its potential.

 

The main difference between Fork and Ether Deltas,

ForkDelta lists orders placed on EtherDelta,
EtherDelta doesn't list orders placed on ForkDelta.

Meaning on ForkDelta you have access to EDelta and FDelta orders.


Anyway 2020, what heck has happened to the Deltas?
It can't be IDEX their fees are astronomical.

Did some hack or something happen i'm not aware of?
Besides their ICO being a massive plop. 

It is listed on the roadmap for Q2 2020

you people have got to be the biggest bunch of morons.. i've told you a million times... c-cex is THE BIGGEST SCAM SITE in crypto...
they will KEEP SCAMMING YOU... they closed down over christmas... they are closing again till august, take it as a sign thebull is on the way...
but no money is safe in c-cex.... just because the title says "trusted, secure, and friendly'... you all are begging them 'why is my money missing'
i'm telling you once and for all...

IT   IS   BECAUSE    C-CEX   IS   A HUGE   SCAM!!!

they will rob you. they 'lost'..."lost" people's xvg... my xvg.. lol... and they won't refund anyway and now they do, you're all trapped.
lol the scam continues... and then I come here hoping to find people laughing because it was obvious, but instead you're all like

"Oh why, how could this happen, they seemed legitimate .. I meanly only 100% of all feedback about this exchange, is people
asking for their money back, what could have possibly gone wrong? maybe if i ask them for my money they will fix this issue?"



:"}  stop using this scam site please


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listen... i'm going to do your job for you anyone who is hoping for dig... I just.. read comments...
this exchange should NEVER be used by ANY coin teams.... go talk to pie coin team...

c-cex lied to them and stole maaanny tokens off them... they will literally rob you... any project stupid enough to list here,
is putting their entire community, their community and any work... down the drain.

c-cex cannot be trusted by ANYONE.... you're all doomed if you trust anything to them

never run a swap here, maybe nova. they have no issues robbing anybody. the long history of scams just gets funnier,
because people keep using this exchange.. coin after coin they steal.. it has been years of scams.. even an old dev came in this page
and warned everyone .. and told us he was robbed too by the owner... who he worked for ... unpaid for years...
and you all keep using this exchange.. at this point anyone who uses it from now on is begging to lose money

that's some pretty incoherent garbage. how did you lose money from the fork? you had zcl + btcp? I don't see how you form sides unless you had weak hands.

like you have the price of zcl + btcp... you only lose if you sell really. people need to be bitter and angry at themselves if they don't know how to HODL.


zcl to btcp is xmo to xmr -- the chain has upgraded... now you have a community coin too that's pretty cool.


like how are you complaining about your btcp increasing in value as it becomes the price people paid a premium for zcl to get? it is happening. of course zcl is stll the coin it was, and now it has a future the community wants to take it on.

it really sounds like win win I personally don't get the perpetual negativity around this.

we're looking for anyone who is developing android games that would like to beta milky-way as their reward currency -- and i'll donation donation pool some coins to use so gamers can earn real crypto in fun games. so feel free to implement the chain into your aps. Rivetz is releasing an SDK soon which should help!

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just to clarify, in no way am I having a go at people margin trading XVGCT... this market favors the innovative and that is the best way to get your crypto back from these scammers.


1. but if we all did close sell orders.. so something closer to XVG, it could help..

2. the main point is, it isn't users responsibility to make the refund work and fair... we are traders, people aren't meant to limit themselves... for the sake of bad coding.

3. c-cex just has to burn every piece of XVGCT they buy back, that they have invented... that way.. inevitably I will get to sell mine for the price I think is fair... not this 100 SATOSHI bs for a token they held from me throughout 2000 SAT or was it even 4000 SAT I can't remember anymore???


or give us assurance they will buy back ever piece of XVGCT so I can come back later when people are done trading the situation and c-cex has bought enough up for me to get a non robbery price.


I still think it shows the true nature of C-Cex that they are proudly claiming they have 'refunded people' thus far for their stolen XVG... at a price of 50 sat compared to 1200 ! at the time..  like who the hell considers that a fair refund, they have no morals... they have forced people into this fud situation.. the always take the site down for 20minute blocks to scare people into selling...  the price reflects how little trust there is and the situation at hand.... and they are grabbing at wounded people.. at this price and claiming it is fair!!

NO REFUND HAS EVEN BEGAN at this price it is spitting on people.

I just want to sell my XVGscamtoken for roughly the price of actual VERGE! for fsake

and again.. not blaming any users..c-cex needs to fix their site.... so the refund works.

Anyone who trades on C-Cex is going for an arbitrage trap, or just hasn't googled the name. Every single comment on Facebook (plus the lack of activity there)... is crying out "C-Cex stole my crypto/money"...aka this is a scam exchange. https://www.facebook.com/ccexcom/

It is a mar on cryptospace's open source open market mentality... if you trade there is isn't even 'trade at own risk' it is... you are volunteering to be robbed. Because it will happen.
Either your shit won't turn up.... or it will never arrive when you send it off. Like my Burst coin.

They are trying to scare people into selling cheap... most of the time... not sending withdrawal e-mails, or blocking withdrawals. Being dodgy in general. Putting wallets in maintenance at key times.



You know I had that feeling about C-Cex, he is actually losing money by scamming people and coin teams like pie-coin... etc all the scams.. because the amount of revenue in this market that could have been made by just running a reliable exchange would 10fold any amount he can scrape together through scamming everyone.

I felt.. why be content making money scamming people? when you could just run a decent exchange, be good to people and make much more in return for yourself, start a decent company.. etc.. not become more and more negligent and at risk of being head-hunted by authorities... or anon.



Anyway I wanted to ask you finch.... do you know what the break over xmas was about? For some reason I thought C-Cex had insider info that XVG would moon.. so they held everyones XVG to sell at peak 2000/4000 sat or what ever it was... then buy them back cheaper when it tanked to 600 then give them back? But as you say it seems he isn't that smart... and they just closed because they felt like a 3 week holiday during the busiest time in crypto... to date (january etc).

What was the 'we are on holiday so we have disabled withdrawals' all about?

Also the right to steal people's accounts if they post the same question twice for an unanswered ticket?

What I don't get is... why are they playing all these dodgy games? Is it just for the fun of fucking with people, like why waste the time... doing all these under handed tactics, when you could just flat out rob people. I know in the background hardly anyones crypto is actually onsite... so if a few people try to withdraw at once you will be delayed.. because he is playing with everyones stuff in the background as his own, putting them at risk.


Interesting point... how I got scammed... I saw XVG cheaper than else where... so I bought it, then immediately tried to withdraw. Confirmation emails all failed... I made a ticket... they kept making up excuses I knew were fake because I know crypto. Then I got a warning that looked like it was cobbled together "to soon withdrawal" or something" -- popup after clicking confirm email. So as soon as I bought it I couldn't withdraw and the price dropped whilst elsewhere in crypto space it was going up 10x.

But the interesting part is in all my tickets I was very polite... and last time (there was some thing where your balance vanishes when you get a failed confirmation email)... they recovered my balance.. it was double the XVG I had... some kind of double XVG error from fucking around with blocking people's withdrawals... I told them in a ticket in bug reports category.. and they didn't seem concerned AT ALL... that XVG had a massive glitch doubling balance but said something about checking my ticket is in the right category.. because I mentioned trying to withdraw in it. (I can post logs if anyone cares, my memory isn't great this is a rough idea of what happened)

(My balance reverted to normal after I pushed for them to fix their shit, but I could have just sold it all. I felt they were baiting me too... then instead of them being the villain they could claim I was, for 'abusing an exploit' or some bs. I had a sense they wanted me to try trade it.) Then they went on a freaking holiday and used that as the excuse why withdrawals were inoperable. I think they flat out stole everyones XVG.

I got the feeling... no real XVG was on site... and their system wasn't representing blockchain at all.. just arbitrary numbers floating around... and they didn't care my balance read 2x my XVG... even if it was tradeable.. because it is fake anyway. SO basically if you get to withdraw some crypto from the hot-wallet, consider yourself lucky... in the minority on most coins.


But on the other hand.. if they are as hopeless as you say... maybe they did 'lose' all the xvg by being terrible at running wallets... and from custom code implemented to fuck with people trying to withdraw from the arbitrage trap.

It is easy to speculate when there is a huge void of evidence on the contrary... that C-Cex isn't a scam.. and needs to be shut down.. but is safer to keep running so atleast some people get their crypto back.

Guys I don't mean to be rude but you're confusing the issue... and they need to address the concerns in my post.

1. it isn't " sacrafice 10% and get your refund quicker " that was my suggestion that they just steal 10% from everyone aslong as I get my VERGE I don't care.

point 2. it isn't money stop talking about fiat... you want your VERGE back not money there is and was never any money... it is variable to fiat.. so you're confusing this issue and making it more complicated by demanding an intagible thing.


3. it isn't 10% off they are asking to refund you faster or wait.. it is .. the only option you have is to accept a 2200 % loss!! the price of verge is 1100 and they want yo pay 50 sat per xvg and say "now you've been refunded"...


4. C-Cex you MUST stop allowing margin trading of a refund token, you are allowing the trading and sale of a non-blockchain fake coin... ? this isn't legal. you need to close users ability to buy up this shitcoin...
so they cannot margin trade... so there is no doubt you are the ones buying "back" this refund token....

So... Close user BUYS.. so you are the only ones buying it.. OUT of supply...

Only allow users to SELL.... and set their own price.. cancel any of your SELLS

And then C-Cex buy up the tokens till there are 0 in supply on site it is that easy... then the price people sell their XVGCT for... is their issue...

you're allowing it to be bought and resold? how is that a refund token... it must be burnt once you have bought it back for this to ever work....

all you're doing is pumping BTC into margin traders wallets you aren't helping anyone who isn't willing to take a 2200% loss and that is nobody not margin trading!!!

This refund is more of a scam than you just robbing everyone!!



And I know as soon as you "think" you have bought 100% of the number of tokens that went missing, back in XVGCT you will claim the refund is over! I can see you pulling any excuse you can lay your hands on.. but we will not accept anything but a refund of our VERGE.. we want our VERGE BACK>>.. or give us the chance to sell out XVGCT refund tokens ONCE... for 10% less than market price of VERGE.

Those are our demands.
And everything else you're doing is illegal... you cannot create a fake coin and allow an open market for it, when it has no blockchain and is just fake numbers....

THis is the scam that keeps on scamming! C-Cex is THE WORST EXCHANGE in crypto space and will keep robbing people every chance they get.

Prove me wrong.. and refund out XVG or let us sell this refund token... once for a decent price!!

You cannot pretend you've been refunding anyone... buying something for 50 worth 1100 and saying it is a refund is a joke... you're just blackmailing people into giving up their right to sue you!

I appreciate your response. but I bought in above 80$ and I did the math on it... and still dove in late, ppl were pushing ZCL for ages in every channel i'm in.. all for BTCP... and I was like "nah too pumped"... but last minute fomo you know.

well we probably see eye to eye if we're into xspec and btcp... it is the right time for privacy to regain a hold. I was talking about cutting teeth on joke coins (whale), zcl was a major project... but they moved on. BTCP is a better coin so of course they moved dev over to this project... why waste time on something where the tech isn't as good... a community team was allowed to take over zcl.. even rumors of a monero dev jumping over sprung up. but everyone who bought zcl... before it dove got BTCP... so.. it isn't how you are making it out to be...  nobody missed out.. they can still claim... there are only talks of burning unclaimed supply... to remedy the inflated coin market cap circulating supply.. but everyone in the team seems wary to even talk about it now let alone implementing it officially in a years time or w/e

monero doesn't cop this flack because they have this genius method of whitepaper regular forks... to update the entire cointech.chain and implement huge changes into the XMR branded coin and the old obsolete chain.coin becomes the 'new coin'... so they don't have to worry about re-listing... or worry about people crying because the main coin price dove.. imagine if XMO price became the price of XMR and vice versa? people would be crying over a name change basically.

XMO is obsolete ... and is worth as much as there is info out. ZCL is same deal, anonymous team or uncertain... so is tank now that BTCP is the new ZCL+BTC chain... Monero is holding exchanges to ransom in a sense, where they need to keep implementing massive changes to the blockchain or cop huge flack from the Monero marines but they have to do 4x the work... than for other coins... and by the time they are done they may aswell list XMO because it is the same tech they already had setup for old XMR moments before. so XMR gets a free re-listing... while BTCP pays a huge fee and gets moving goalpost for verify.

but we moved on, nano/nanex is great.. raiblox understands this community and project,,, so here we are.... being forced to supercede bitcoin because no exchange is willing to pair us off without a fight or some community backlash demanding it like what happened for bitcoincash and countless other forks that literally started lawsuits against exchanges even coinbase to force them to comply with community demands... i'm glad nobody has pulled that again on exchanges for btcp it isn't healthy... but still.. the community obv needs to turn on someone.. and instead of exchanges this time the feel like craptalking up the ANN.

Sorry ... but I already covered this.

1. anyone who you're referring to waking up to find ZCL at "5" probably bought it at "5" anyway if they were that oblivious. And anyone who bought at "5" and didn't sell when it was 20 or 50 or 100 or 160 or 200 has issues.... and anyone who had ZCL now has BTCP... so they didn't lose anything but the hype value...and are now in the ... need high volume exchange boat with us all.

2. anyone who bought at ATH... on ZCL should have known the situation.. it already dove a day before the fork and was picking up again nearing it esp after Bittrex released they would honor the fork for ZCL holders. people who sold the day before know how to play a situation as a trader.. not a consumer to clarify my freaking massive rant.. you obv were a consumer like me "I want BTCP.. I don't care I want it first before it hits market, so I will buy ZCL what ever the price"... aannd here we are.


People who didn't take ZCL profits on the way up that steep were asking for a dive. Esp after the reason it was going up had concluded. And similarly anyone who sold BTCP for a 10x loss against their ZCL buy... has just as many issues as a trader. So treat yo self! and work on you're own problems before worrying about invented ones.

Hey it is good you do your research, no matter what you may believe no coin is run by one man. This is open source space here. I'm in Xspec/Wisp... I know drama...
There is the Vitalik 80% premine rumor etc. And also 1 person doesn't pump an entire coin... are you really saying investors in crypto are that stupid and can't understand the inherent value in a white paper.
ZCL... died because it was reborn... And Devs need to cut their teeth on something. If you're comparing 'WHALE COIN" which is an obvious joke coin project.. to BTCP .. yeah idk. That's all I can say.

Doge was a joke coin poking fun at all these ICO and alt-coins way before you tried your hand at it... but at the core it had a couple IBM developers... and the top community in cryptosphere. Doge is love doge is lyf. Shiba moonrise 2020

p.s. smol vagine

Yo you sold out at 10x loss... you don't get an opinion, that is just dumb. What would really grind your gears... is seeing BTCP now fly... And just because you caved in doesn't mean the project isn't solid. You can be as negative as you want, but I wonder why people who lost out to their own FUD.. are hanging around to heckle what's good. You scared of becoming a transparent idiot in the rise?

It always happens to me... I freaking bought a coin at 1 sat... sold at 2.5 thinking 'awesomes' then a day later it hit 60 sat... then 80 sat.. then it peaked at freaking 124 sat. The thing about trading is.. the graphs line up and make sense.. because generally nobody is willing to accept at 2.5x loss.. and people are happy with a 2x gain. So although the price went up 13000% at times... nobody went up with it in all... waves of people bought and sold out on the way... it is rare anyone sane would accept a loss like yours... Unless you bought ZCL at ATH and sold BTCP at ATL... I don't see how you could have lost 10x anyway... so I just doubt you in general as being a valid place to get information or any idea from of what's what.

I had UNIFY for aaggeeess.. and I sold at 320 sat.. forgetting I bought higher than that a while back... then it went to 2000sat... the next day. I was hoarding DMT... I sold at .0007 to arbitrate a different exchange.. then it went up and I was like screw paying 10% more for it.. then it freaking went 260% the next day! then I got cold and on the way back down I bought it at .0022 ... now it is .0008. (ethereum)

I could keep going... it happens all the time to me. But what i've learned is... 2 rules... 1. trust your first impression. stick to it. 2. conquer your own internal doubt.. your internal FUD... and your FOMO and you will be in the top 80% traders. before ever worrying about the communal FUD... and shitposters, trying to scare people into selling cheap.

Some exchanges do it too actually so be wary.. they will be so incompetent ... at maintaining things or just running an exchange,,, they scare people into selling below market perception value... C-Cex does it all the time ... and never trade there they will rob you. And I get that feeling about Trade Satoshi ... Yobit too a times... they will trap you.. never play arbitrage without being cool calm collected and checking every detail.. check coin info.. block heights and maintenance.

I'm not saying you made a mistake... but I am biting back at your idea you did the right thing just because you did it... time will tell... and shitting on the ann page just because you dumped... really? I guess you need to get some entertainment value or something in return for your money... but really no sane person willingly takes a 10x loss. why sell when you don't have to? Esp when the whole future of BTCP and cryptospace is infront of you... like srsly learn the Art of Hodl. Not weak hands and irrational anger directed at anything that moves.

Denial is an ugly thing <3

Most importantly though... all time times I lost out when I sold... was because I was getting bored and just flipping for fun. Or playing margins. But every time.. I lost out biiigg.. I was playing around with my favorite coins... the ones I wanted to have. CV2 aka COLX I had for eeevveerrr... Unify was my fave coin .. and I hoarded it.. DMT was my new top pick... from ICO to buying up big... there is NO way... i'm selling BTCP at a loss.. when it is a coin I want to have. Stick to your guns.  And when playing HODL... i'd be telling myself... only buy the coins you like holding onto... because if they drop... you will beat the fud... and don't care what the price is. And similarly... the % you want to actively flip.. only buy coins you'd love to get rid of... so...1. if it drops you dump it fast enough to recover.. or... you sell and grab a respectable amount of profit ... and aren't at risk of waking up to the next dip... shitcoins you hate to hold and good ones to keep a close eye on and thus are perfect for day trading. I'm staking and HODL on about 70% my coins.. most are down.. I have like lets say 30 coins.. BTCP is one of my main HODLs... 30% I'd love to never see again in my life.. and are my flips.

I'm not trying to school you/people who know how to trade 101 crypto... but I feel like my experience is going to help most in here... normally I avoid posting in ANNs and just read, but seeing this thread turn to absolute shit for a coin that just requires community as solid as it is... for exchanges to gain enough confidence to honor the paid listing fees... and everything else... had to chime in on this one. I hate seeing mis-representation, esp on my hodlings. I didn't care about all the shit talking on Bitcoincash because at the time, I didn't know cryptospace even if I saw how self-destructive it was for those involved... but we need to keep it real here and clean and say shit that actually makes sense and reflects these projects, this is the official ann after all. Shame no reps from BTCP set things straight here, but personally I prefer discord... and I can see why they don't post here, most of these posts are obvious trolls + fudsters.. and barely any of it deserves a dignifies response.

Hey so there is a huge unclaimed portion of the supply... which tells the devs either many BTC holders havn't heard of the fork yet, and maybe some ZCL holders are oblivious.
KuCoin delivered BTC holders their BTCP... allowing selling.. and a small closed internal market opened up and you can see what price it was selling for: https://www.kucoin.com/#/trade.pro/BTCP-BTC still.
Bittrex delivered all ZCL holders their BTCP... they put a lot of work into freezing the market to take the snapshot, implementing code for the unique fork/situation + remove trading and reset the order books post snapshot so nobody would get caught in the fall...

SO as soon as ZCL came live after the snapshot.. meaning people effectively got what they were buying ZCL for at a premium ... ZCL promptly dove because people only put in buy orders at a price they were willing to buy ZCL for... nobody even dumped ZCL down as much as people just didn't want to buy it post BTCP fork because BTCP was the value of ZCL that took it from 5 bucks upto the peak of 260.

As soon as the fork was announced it sky rocketed.

What i'm saying here is what we all know because we follow crypto-space, and we followed ZCL.... which means... we don't understand the other kind of investor who is used to the stockmarket where trends take a decade to properly unfold and shift and change. People bought BTC Years ago and you bump into there here and there and stories of how they just decided to check on their BTC because they saw it on the news...

Just because we are traders and understand how fast this market is moving..  don't assume the majority of BTC hoarders are like that... it takes some time for word to spread about BTCP being available to anyone who has BTC at block: 51134  (ZCL at: 272991)... and at the moment that is the MOST important thing... that people claim their BTCP!! So that Coin Market Cap can reflect the true circulating supply.. which is MUCH lower than the millions ... combined ZCL+BTC supply at time of fork blocks.

It has to be front and center on the site, because websites are generally for plebs.. why do we need the website? We have the forums, the discord and we are savvy and know how to internet. Alot of people holding BTC actually go through a broker they are that clueless to how open the market is to trade. As easy as setting up an e-mail account and scanning in your identity documents to be verified for high volume traders.

And... it needs to stay this way... the website needs to be there to help people understand that are slowly hearing about BTCP (who weren't following ZCL)... so claiming their BTCP isn't hidden or difficult to get validation on the news they hear. It really doesn't matter to the community/us that the site specifies the fork has happened... read the whitepaper.

A huge amount of BTC raised has been spent on Exchanges... but it has become a nightmare getting the established mains to list a coin. Because it is a threat to mains that have a strong relationship with them.
Which is purely speculation because until Exchanges honor their agreement to list, or that you pay a fee and you can list... we can only really assume the worst about crypto-space atm. It seems to be becoming very 'in-crowd' and as mentioned before... we just want exchanges to operate as good as the tech (blockchain)... Nanex atm does do that very well... it is so freaking fast.. before I thought I even clicked send.. my stuff showed up in receiving wallet to be confirmed. Sure it could slow a bit when volume ramps up... but the dev is often in BTCP discord: https://discord.gg/XqFpk4n and he's pretty confident it is just a matter of "plugging in another server" when the demand calls for it.

As mentioned... trends in USA200 or ASX500, these things... they take decades to swing bear or bull.... but here we are in crypto space... where in a couple of months we will be exiting out of this bear market phase... it is such an exciting market to be in before all the plebs arrive... BTCP is easy to use, and easy to understand and that is the way the devs seem to like it and want to keep it. Putting on the site... what is relevant.. is what they are going to do... they don't need to sell themselves at this point.. the coin is so cheap for what it is ... we just need high volume exchanges to accept us as much as the community does.

One main issue I should mention about timing of BTCP.... was other BTC forks around this time... used a compromised network that actually broadcast everyones BTC Private keys publicly... so every one became hyper wary of bitcoin forks... a few have been confirmed scams... so it is no wonder people are in doubt here too not seeing the price reflect their understanding of what the coin is. But doubts in no way are proof.

BTCP is.... the best of ZCL and the BTC people love -- together... and it is going to stay that way... and people will discover it in time.. I personally don't care if people claim or not (because as a hodl... I'd rather a lower true supply) ... but many Exchanges likely will claim BTCP in the background and it is upto the community to know what is going on in crypto-space.. and demand they get their BTCP.

Devs and Mods are often answering questions in discord... if you aren't finding what you want here... then just come join and observe. But don't come in and "dear mr dev, when moon? please why no moon? scam? when lambo promised?" or... ask the same questions over and over about exchanges... do some research it has all been answered many times now.

HODL Stronk anyone who likes BTCP and is in doubt. People who don't know/like the tech and bought ZCL-Hype... you need to get smart and learn how to trade situations not as a consumer "I want".. but as a trader. You could have figured out we were in a steep bear market... with no sign of uncertainty easing... and seen how much % ZCL rose from the ann of btcp-fork.... and known it was probably better to sell the hype... and buy BTCP after with your profits. I know I learned that lesson.. that the market is more complex at times than my wants.

When you swim with the krill you will get whaled in this ocean of shitcoins and forks with diminishing cake. We need more capital in crypto space to feed all the coins... BTCP is a threat to established listed moguls atm... because as mentioned capital is limited in cryptospace. But money is out there... this is nothing yet... Apple has dodged 56.2 billion in tax (search yourself that is a tiny bit of it)... and they are only starting to get taxed now... even Ireland where they are hiding out is grabbing at it. Crypto-space has far more going on.. than Apple ever did.. which is unfair to say because it is one company and Crypto-space is the new market of innovation.. leading to AI. The multi-trillion dollar industries are all represented here.. and it is a developing market... you need to see you're getting in early..

I personally think crypto-space this year and onward.. will increasingly start ignoring these "we will be currency" coins.. claiming they will replace fiat... because there are hundreds of those... and that just isn't logical... there only being one. Diversity is the power of crypto we are all in it for different reasons which is why it is as strong as fiat. If you have 20 bucks in hand you don't drop it on the ground... because it represents something you personally want to have or do. People are in crypto for as many reasons are there are applications in the past and present. From ALT energy networks ran by people and thus supported by government .. like POWR... or some just released examples... RentBerry... for the rental industry and Shipchain for shipping logistics.. these are just nascent things... yet to be discovered by the world... and ever able to adapt and innovate new applications for themselves within their industry. It is just the dawn of crypto..  and money will go where the work/jobs/innovations are.. and at the moment crypto-space is starting to rival the economy for complexity and myriad of job opportunities. From setting up mining operations, to starting a 3D mapping company and Virtual Reality unity ran by blockchain. It is too numerous to coin and mention everything happening here.

But at the core... if people are to get into this space and protect their financial security into an uncertain future. They need a solid network and privacy. Even just for the day to day. BTCP fills its niche -- sure there are competitors... but nobody should be mortgaging their kids and selling off kidneys just yet for any 1 coin. Diversifying is our choice and ability.. why not use it? All competition crypto-space wide... is healthy competition... contrary to what stocko investors thing about it. There isn't going to be one music coin in the future... there are so many differing people.. people will find the kind of privacy and the kind of audio coin that suits their tastes. And they can shift and switch anytime they please.

All this is about... is high density of coins on limited exchanges... more exchanges is thinner spread of available coins. Then when someone wants to buy... up big.. it really moves the market and others follow and it exposes what price they are willing to place.. it is the true commodities market in a sense. Because on the actual commodities markets... and CFDs you aren't buying the actual thing... just a artificial representation of its present artificial circumstances, presumed and actively in peoples minds. Buying into Gold doesn't mean you have any... or are securely holding any... and if even just Germany tried to take their Gold out of USA reserve... I highly doubt it would even be there. Point being you can buy up as much as you want in those markets and because the supply is artificial unlike crypto... the "exchange" equivalent you buy from can just sell you as much as you have money for... and the overall price barely budges...here in cryptoland someone can drop 1btc or 2 on certain exchanges and that will have an impact on the short term price.. this is a live and exciting market. You have to know your risks and hold your ideas of what coins are valuable to you for what reasons close and up to date... we are our own brokers.. gotta stay informed at all times.  

In crypto.. your currency is irrefutably yours... and sure what it represents can change ... like if development stops. Development is just starting though for some coins and they are in it for the long haul.
I believe personally that... buying any coin that will stick around for a few years is buying a winner. Those who give up will lose this one. Adaptation is a human condition that rivals the depression.



EDIT: oh if you read this far... and noticed my 'this market will increasingly avoid we will replace currency coins.. whose entire value is hype' thing... it will swing more and more to use based and industry backed crypto that represents tangible things... like xmo and zcl atm.. are obsolete.. not to say they couldn't come to life... they only have speculative value until some info gives a use case... the more the market shifts to buying what has purpose and will start a boom for an active group of devs and industrialists... the less those tokens/coins will be tied to the whims of BTC price or the Fiat in turn. they will hold their own intrinsic value more and perception value will stay true.

if this is going to be taken seriously C-CEX needs to block buy orders... for scam refund token... and allow people to only sell the xvg they had at the time of the glitch.. ONCE.

what I can see happening is... they will buy and sell XVG between themselves... then c-cex will claim... the amount they have bought from the market is = to the amount they lost... therefore the refund has 'been completed'....

you stole our XVG .. then force swapped it with some refund token worth the price of doge... not XVG!!!!

and you dare say you have refunded people? it is a sick joke... you need to do an actual swap back... no less than 10% less than market price refund!!! not this bs joke of a lie to dodge legal action!


I need to sell my XVGCT to get my refund for XVG but I cannot do that... when a-holes maybe even C-Cex keep... margin trading and flipping massive amounts of XVGCT back and forth...

What they do is... the buying spikes happen in a pattern .. so you can set a higher sell order knowing it will be bought up... then when it drops again as nobody else should be buying... they buy it back cheaper.., then sell it again when "c-cex refunds/buys the refund token back" in a batch.... rinse and repeat.

you should really credit peoples accounts with bitcoin... 10% less than the price of XVG total.... the fact you are spinning this idea you are refunding people... ignoring you are paying 50 sat for something that was 4000 sat while you held it and went on a fuckin holiday over xmas trading... just shows how greedy you really are.

you could have sold all my XVG for 4000 sat... and bought it back... at 1000 and given me back my verge 4x over.... but no.. you stole it all and want to pay me 50sat for it...
fix your shit or get out of crypto space you're the worse exchange and scam everyone repeatedly... you screwed over piecoin team... and you will scam people again and again... prove you won't and actually refund people their XVG....  just because you "lost it"... doesn't mean you can't buy it back... over time.. and slowly refund people ACTUAL XVG....

you're obviously trying to put up a face and give people the idea you're a legitimate exchange... to suck more people in and scam them again.

I'm not trying to be rude but it sounds like you don't have a brain to share between you.

1. the numbers aren't inflated CMC is not infallible. the supply includes unclaimed coins which is the reason BTCP was thinking of burning unclaimed coins after a while so that CMC can reflect the true circulating supply. and ... more supply does not inflate rank or market cap it does the opposite so it would be disadvantageous to have a higher supply listed than is true. low supply is good. which is a hidden reason why BTCP is so under-valued. many coins aren't claimed... and the team isn't sure if to burn in a Year or not at all.. (listening in on discord chat).. because either way people won't be happy.

2. that is impossible. "Gendarme - 04/03/2018
Burning coins means modifying the public UTXO set" it does not make them accessible.. it removes them completely freeing up those coins to be mined toward the total supply cap later (years on)... the only urgency for burning the unclaimed coins.. is to fix CMC stats.

people seem to not even know the meaning of the words they are using... and have the complete contrary idea for the conspiracy they are trying to push... I can see why everyone here turns to conspiracy when they are this stupid.

"if price doesn't reflect my expectations immediately.. is obvious scam".

3. you're buying into a privacy coin and your evidence the entire thing is fake is because a guy,.... on the internet... has an alias? he goes by more than one name? what did you really think his birth name was crypto-jake.. I mean how stupid are you? wow it is JACOB ILLUMINATI CONFIRMED!!! why buy into a privacy coin if you don't even know what the word means?

4. this was and still is one of the most positive projects i've seen... their coin is solid and their aims are simple... maintain privacy in crypto space. accessible to anyone who wants it. with so many reports of btc addresses being linked to people... privacy is more imporant than ever.

5. exchange listing can be a literal nightmare... read this article for example from one coins experience of kucoin:

https://medium.com/verifyas/our-kucoin-listing-nightmare-and-why-its-the-last-place-you-should-list-3af019e4e7f6

it is this whole shifting the goal-posts thing... you can't just throw bitcoin at an exchange.. aka the price they ask to list and have it happen... even bittrex isn't straight forward, it is very corruptible.

kucoin dead set asked cred how long they could run fake volume as if that is a prerequisite to be listed? people just want an authentic service and an exchange that functions as well as the blockchain.. not all this politics.

6. we are currently in a bear market phase atm, which is defined by a time of extreme uncertainty and doubt... a crisis point of sorts that has no resolve.

back when bitcoin cash was being talked about (8mb blocks)... I remember every exchange hands down saying they wouldn't support it... coinbase flat out said "no take your btc somewhere else if you want it"...
this is a greed driven market and one of the only reasons bitcoin cash is everywhere today is because people saw their unclaimed bitcoincash as money... but it took a couple of exchanges to fold... or to support for it to be worth anything.... and inevitably even coinbase folded to a class action lawsuit put against them by silver and miller lawyers... people paid.. bitcoin.. to get access to their 'free money'....


there was SO MUCH trash talk at that time about how bitcoin cash was shit... and the price tanked hard... I started buying into btc just to get some... and I didn't think it was that bad because I didn't listen to all the bs like what is happening to this thread... I just saw... a practicality .. 8mb blocks... and asked myself what that means and will it be useful.. and yes I felt after researching..it served a purpose...


7.

bitcoin private servers a purpose.. and it is just simple... functional and underneath all the people who hate it because they lost money going ballsdeep in a bear market... and have no other reason to dislike it... it is a positive community of supporters still. sure people like profit this is a greed driven market.. but I don't really see how investors in the coins would think it is a good idea to spend all their time... fudding it in the official thread? like just kick yourself in the balls more?

but my main point is... ZCL diving in price wasn't a BTCP team sell off... you have to be an absolute moron to have expected ZCL to hold its value.

ZClassic to BTCP is what XMO is to Monero.... it was obsolete as soon as it happened. ZClassic got superseded... and we all know the price of ZCL went skyward to the price that reflected how much people wanted BTCP... everyone with 1/8th of a brain knew it was going to dive hard and every man and their dog's plan was to dump as soon as they could after claiming their BTCP.... I don't understand how... ZCL going down is apart of some grand conspiracy .. but I can understand how greedy people would think that if they lost money to that situation...

people love this idea... that something was a scam because it takes away blame from themselves being an idiot... or just not a very good trader...
I personally think it is much better to just admit you were in error.. and I do this all the time.. owning my mistakes is personally how I grow as a trader... and how I improve... and how I gain a positive out of negative situations. always blaming someone else... means you will be pretty set to do that same things wrong again and again.. because in your mind.. you're just brilliant at everything/being greedy, even if you don't get the prize. you didn't read the situation wrong, you didn't figure out how it could turn bad.. you just dove in during a tank market. and shit happened... and btcp has been stunted for what ever reason.. but mostly people are just hyper impatient. bitcoin cash took a while to come good.


8.

in short... it is a pain to watch people fill the official announcement with garbage and nonsense... instead of being accusational.. just ask what you're wondering and get a response. the main reason people aren't doing that is because they will come across as how stupid their question is..  but i'm here to inform you that making stupid statements isn't any better. so just ask questions and people in the community will try answer them.

9.

it isn't difficult to buy Bitcoin Private... just go on nanex: https://nanex.co/exchange/BTCPNANO
generally avoid trade satoshi they aren't very reliable and go into maintenance all the time
Nanex has been seamless and is blisteringly fast.

but yeah... as soon as BTCP hits a high volume exchange ...it should start reflecting true value... but who knows in this market

+ when exchanges look to list they do actually go research and check the ANN.... and people making up stuff about infinity BTCP from a wallet glitch is just deleterious... a wallet cannot invent coins on the blockchain... over and over. it is a shame the team doesn't see what's written here as worthy of a response... but that doesn't mean it is valid...

a bear market typically means no new capital is flowing into crypto-space too.. so it is actually in other coins interest to hold BTCP back.. as the rise in BTCP price would be coming directly from their market cap...
and with some of the petty things that have been going on in social media .. etc.. and illogical things written here you really have to wonder...

people are so prejudiced.. there is a post citing someone's age as if that means they aren't capable? this team seems smart enough to just keep their heads down and get on with making a freaking coin.. at the end of the day we just want a genuine exchange, with genuine volume and a coin that is private.

Well being as understanding as you apparently are that 'people lose confidence easily in this space and need to be constantly breastfed positivity'... you might understand also the impact of fudsters claiming themselves to be a part of the 'c o m m u n i t y' of a project when really they are just a bunch of shillers looking to turn their jackoff into profit for immediate gratification of how smart they are buying into a project they otherwise contribute nothing but negativity to.

If you want to go be in a project with hourly updates that sells itself post ico... and claims to be the 'no.1 coffee in america' go do that. But as stated this project will give updates when they have something to update on -- which will be every few weeks to a couple of months.. and those updates will be big. We have gone from a Token subjected to Gas hikes when Ethereum bottlenecks and it always does; to an entirely fresh chain with a coin in its own right; lower fees and no longer subjected to another coins value fluctuations and issues.

The token shat itself down to rank 533, because PEBCAC users don't know what a swap is and get scared at the idea they have to do something. Well rest assured you don't... because when people start selling adsTOKEN for 50% less than someone can get buying it all up and swapping to ads (coin)... then the market will make sure you can sell your adsT at anytime for a price relative to how weak other people's hands are on a constant basis, or how stupid people can be persistently.
Which should get old pretty quick when people go back to seeing the intrinsic value of a use based coin/project...

In a market full of 'we will be global currency/the new bitcoin'... promises that defy logic? I mean how can there be more than one 'we will replace entire earths money' coins in the future if what they promise happens? And those coins are plethora and fill up 300 ranks above this project which has a real use and targeting an industry that owns more than half the world. Because it can turn whitepaper speak, into blahblah baby talk... consumers like you can understand with your patrick from spongebob "I want to buy 2 thousand money with my 2 hundred money please thank you!" then *angry face* "why won't you give me 2 thousand money for my tears!!! this project sucks!!! math confuses meee!! GRRR".

No they are not saying they don't care about investors, they are saying -- uh guys... we have built up quite a bit so far, and now we are working on the project.
If you don't like the project... maybe invest in something else entirely and drop your heavy bags of shitcoins... or more sensibly... hedge yourself... by grabbing other use-based coins like Powr, Opus, Musiconomi... then have a second take when you realize all of those are riding on Ethereum and don't even have their own chain! But still on the dlow, still good grabs and holds.

The market will stop being speculative at some point... and then it will be all about the function of that coin. 90% don't have a function beyond speculation... be happy you're in the 10 percentile maybe idk. Or keep throwing a tantrum over nothing -- w/e works for you I guess.

If everyone thinks it is so easy to develop what needs to be developed and to form the client base that needs to be formed -- then brooch your obvious expertise to the team and see if you can get a job at Adshares. Then you'll be the one working for our profit (the ones who know/think/find all of that too hard -- thus are investors). And if you want to contribute absolute 0 to the project, OR the community -- why fill up the forum with cry-spam? When it is the antonym of paying you, to do so.

But my point here is: You're misrepresenting the community whilst knowingly pulling the value by being a troll.

Are you sure you're not just looking at the change address functionality?

So with bitcoin... you have 20 unspent, you send 5 btc to person B..... you as person A are actually sending your 20btc... however,
15 btc comes back as change from person B to your change address... usually this address is held in the same wallet as addy of the unspent 20btc

so it is a key in the keypool of the same wallet under control of  the same person or project owner... this doesn't mean they are paying themselves ...

this is how this coins works if it is modeled on doge or bitcoin etc

so.... the airdrop would seem to be splitting like you said 10 your you 10 for me. for each airdrop run I'm guessing/

someone correct me if that isn't a possibility


this is why satoshi nakamoto white papered bitcoin as 'digital CASH' not 'electronic money'... because ...when you go to the shops and buy a lollipop with your 20 dollar note... you don't get your same 20 dollar note back but you also don't punch out the clerk, because you get a whole bunch of change back.


change addresses are vital and change protocol for maintaining anonymity.

because is person A paying person B or is person B paying person C(change), is A C or is A B and C.. or is A just A?