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21  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 22, 2014, 09:25:02 PM
Well, that went well, didn't it. LOL
22  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ [ ANN ] | FLUTTERCOIN | Community Powered | Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ on: August 22, 2014, 09:21:41 PM
Block reward of 20, for a coin with 200,000,000?

Don't you think that's a little bit off?

Just saying

Nice presentation

And tell us more about what these flutter girls are supposed to do for the coin

Block reward will be addressed very soon.  The fluttercoin community came to a decision that it wouldn't be fair to abruptly make sudden serious changes to the coin without proper awareness.  We are making our best efforts to do this the right way instead of the quick and easy way.

The flutter girls are mainly for marketing and promotion.  We're lucky to have some beautiful and intelligent girls working with us and we feel that Fluttercoin is a coin that can appeal to anyone and everyone.  When the right time comes, we plan to do heavy marketing and with the flutter girls on our side, it'll be much easier. Smiley

  

Isn't that a bit sexist? Girls can dev too, you know!
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ [ ANN ] | FLUTTERCOIN | Community Powered | Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ on: August 22, 2014, 09:10:39 PM
I want to thanks all those Who worked the last 2 month. I have a lot of luck to be surrounded with such good people. They give me hope in alt future. I meet realy nice persons - inside and outside FLT, and i know there is other honest community: keep going, you guys are doing pretty good !

And to TeamFLT : let's the fun begin !!!

Anyone can join us - just jump in skype and add : soltantgris, even if you don't plan to invest in FLT. Sometime it's nice to just be with Funny people.

Let's rock it !

Great. But what exatly is the plan. There are lots of "Whoops" and "come join us" and thats all I've heard for the last 2 months. What have you actually been doing? Nice graphics. But that really can't be it, can it. And why relaunch now?
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ [ ANN ] | FLUTTERCOIN | Community Powered | Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ on: August 22, 2014, 09:04:24 PM
Wow, great graphics and design.

It hurts my eyes real bad to be honest.
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ [ ANN ] | FLUTTERCOIN | Community Powered | Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ on: August 22, 2014, 09:03:10 PM
So...what has changed? What is the road map? What have you done over the last 2 months, other than recruit some flutter chicks?
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 22, 2014, 04:31:00 PM

I'm thinking this is VERI good news for Vericoin and the future of Digital Currencies


LoL Are you doing a stand up here? LoL

What the VRC credit card does with the future of Digital Currencies? There will be hundreds of BTC and other crypto currency cards on the market when the vericoin card is out.


any development is still better than no development at all

Yes, that's actually true. On the other hand if you think about that nothing was delivered in the last 8 weeks, the market has been waiting for the big announcement and the big news is a fucking centralized credit card for the decentralized vericoin from the noname Coinsis then it's just another disappointment.



Yet again, you continue to spread this rubbish. It is no even centralized. No 3rd party required. Do you understand that? Why are you just posting lies?
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 22, 2014, 03:20:09 PM
@buy4crypto are u mad too bro? How much did you invest? You should dev a coin and sign with JP Morgan Chase! You can get a special debit card that only buys toilet paper to whipe all the crap talked on these forums Wink . maybe change your name to buy4crapto?


@devs - great news guys. keep up the great work. I am happy with vericoin.

Am I mad? I may make millions of dollars holding not 1 vericoin if this thing does well. So, mad that this does well? Not at all.

Realistic about life / and what happens to amature business people when they go up to negotiate with real business people! Think about what just happened. This whole thing stinks. Why are people with no economics backgrounds negotiating deals on behalf of your investment in a decentralized virtual currency.

Will you answer me that? If you can convince me the deal they made on vericoin investors behalf is what crypto is all about, you will win. But you cannot. Nobody can, for any reason.

Amateur? Have you looked at this site: www.buy4crypto.com  Huh


[Pot calling the kettle black.]

I know what my websites are, terrible now! And yet they are driving more traffic than what coinsis is. Telling isn't it?

I just registered virtualcurrency.xyz as what I am going to spend a lot more resources developing. I'll redirect the other hundreds over to that one once complete next year. So things are looking up, those where all tests to learn web design, and get to know what I am going to be doing for the rest of my life, or what someone else will do for me soon Smiley

You don't need an economics background to negotiate a deal. Are you still in high school?


You are correct you can negotiate with a dog if you want. Actually, I dropped out of highschool to pursue business 15 years ago. I have a very fufilling life and haven't worked more than a few months of it for someone else. But the fact of the matter is, someone who is taught skills to negotiate, and someone who has not, will have a major result on the outcome.

You want to have these guys negotiating big mainstream deals for you?  They have yet to disclose terms. I have never seen a contract / deal signed on behalf of a company that was not disclosed. I ask a few simple questions, things everyone should want to know really and I am a "Fudder" Either you people are ignorant who say that, or are desperately cheerleading to pump it up a bit to dump as so many people been waiting weeks for this big news!

What is your problem? If you have a successful business why are you on here 24 hours a day? The way you rant and talk, mostly tripe, I'd prefer to have the VRC PhDs negotiating for me any day. If I sent you into a shop to buy me a carrot I'd be scared you would come back with a potato because you thought it would better for me. You've got a seriously unhealthy obsession with VRC for no obvious reason. You talk about being transparent etc. But how about you? Do you have your life savings invested in VRC, or CLOAK or something and you are upset?

Transparency, you can ask me anything, I have never hide a thing, I actually enjoy talking about myself because I am "special"

I don't have any VRC currently, I only hold a fraction of a btc right now, I spent 7 on hardware about a month ago and working on returns for that.

I have been a great athlete, When I was young I was in the junior olympics for martial arts.
I was a national champion indoor soccer player several years with my local club as a prominent member of the team as a striker.
As a business person, I have done well since my first sale of pixie sticks (sugar candy) to kids in elementary school.
I have excelled at nearly everything I have done in my life except for writing English.

So, Do I care about VRC, sure. I have 10+ vericoin related websites that I will stand to profit from greatly one day is vericoin succeeds. Here is the thing, BS and promises don't get me where I want to go. So, my goal is to make vericoin the best coin in the world. If that means being unpopular with the cheerleaders for a bit while I ask tough questions that others ignore, so be it!

Yawn. You do realize you will never, ever get what you want? With all the abuse you hurl at people, they don't take you seriously.
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 22, 2014, 03:05:08 PM
@buy4crypto are u mad too bro? How much did you invest? You should dev a coin and sign with JP Morgan Chase! You can get a special debit card that only buys toilet paper to whipe all the crap talked on these forums Wink . maybe change your name to buy4crapto?


@devs - great news guys. keep up the great work. I am happy with vericoin.

Am I mad? I may make millions of dollars holding not 1 vericoin if this thing does well. So, mad that this does well? Not at all.

Realistic about life / and what happens to amature business people when they go up to negotiate with real business people! Think about what just happened. This whole thing stinks. Why are people with no economics backgrounds negotiating deals on behalf of your investment in a decentralized virtual currency.

Will you answer me that? If you can convince me the deal they made on vericoin investors behalf is what crypto is all about, you will win. But you cannot. Nobody can, for any reason.

Amateur? Have you looked at this site: www.buy4crypto.com  Huh


[Pot calling the kettle black.]

I know what my websites are, terrible now! And yet they are driving more traffic than what coinsis is. Telling isn't it?

I just registered virtualcurrency.xyz as what I am going to spend a lot more resources developing. I'll redirect the other hundreds over to that one once complete next year. So things are looking up, those where all tests to learn web design, and get to know what I am going to be doing for the rest of my life, or what someone else will do for me soon Smiley

You don't need an economics background to negotiate a deal. Are you still in high school?


You are correct you can negotiate with a dog if you want. Actually, I dropped out of highschool to pursue business 15 years ago. I have a very fufilling life and haven't worked more than a few months of it for someone else. But the fact of the matter is, someone who is taught skills to negotiate, and someone who has not, will have a major result on the outcome.

You want to have these guys negotiating big mainstream deals for you?  They have yet to disclose terms. I have never seen a contract / deal signed on behalf of a company that was not disclosed. I ask a few simple questions, things everyone should want to know really and I am a "Fudder" Either you people are ignorant who say that, or are desperately cheerleading to pump it up a bit to dump as so many people been waiting weeks for this big news!

What is your problem? If you have a successful business why are you on here 24 hours a day? The way you rant and talk, mostly tripe, I'd prefer to have the VRC PhDs negotiating for me any day. If I sent you into a shop to buy me a carrot I'd be scared you would come back with a potato because you thought it would better for me. You've got a seriously unhealthy obsession with VRC for no obvious reason. You talk about being transparent etc. But how about you? Do you have your life savings invested in VRC, or CLOAK or something and you are upset?
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 22, 2014, 02:50:18 PM
@buy4crypto are u mad too bro? How much did you invest? You should dev a coin and sign with JP Morgan Chase! You can get a special debit card that only buys toilet paper to whipe all the crap talked on these forums Wink . maybe change your name to buy4crapto?


@devs - great news guys. keep up the great work. I am happy with vericoin.

Am I mad? I may make millions of dollars holding not 1 vericoin if this thing does well. So, mad that this does well? Not at all.

Realistic about life / and what happens to amature business people when they go up to negotiate with real business people! Think about what just happened. This whole thing stinks. Why are people with no economics backgrounds negotiating deals on behalf of your investment in a decentralized virtual currency.

Will you answer me that? If you can convince me the deal they made on vericoin investors behalf is what crypto is all about, you will win. But you cannot. Nobody can, for any reason.

Amateur? Have you looked at this site: www.buy4crypto.com  Huh


[Pot calling the kettle black.]

I know what my websites are, terrible now! And yet they are driving more traffic than what coinsis is. Telling isn't it?

I just registered virtualcurrency.xyz as what I am going to spend a lot more resources developing. I'll redirect the other hundreds over to that one once complete next year. So things are looking up, those where all tests to learn web design, and get to know what I am going to be doing for the rest of my life, or what someone else will do for me soon Smiley

You don't need an economics background to negotiate a deal. Are you still in high school?
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 22, 2014, 02:47:28 PM
I was hoping they don't role out a fucking credit card - the announcement is indeed a credit card.  Centralized payment method for a decentralized currency. Directly compete with BTC enabled credit cards. It's just getting better and better.

Hopeless. Sell your vericoin and run  Grin  

Lets wait for a small pump, the fanboys and cheearleaders can have all my vercioins at price 20K.

It is not centralized. No 3rd party required. You basically just came on here to troll without even reading the website. Stop embarrassing yourself.
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 22, 2014, 01:40:09 PM

Stuff ..

Sorry you don't like the whole mass adoption theme. That was something we stated as a theme (and we aren't going to quit our goals there) from the get-go. And that's also why our first features were VeriSMS and VeriBit. Because they make things easier for others.

...

We don't want VeriCoin to be an "altcoin" but rather VeriCoin-- a coin people don't relate to altcoins because it's bigger than that.

Ambitious plan - there are two issues with that

1) You and your supporters have no idea how the worldwide mass adoption will be achieved as well as why would anyone pay with vericoin instead of the well established BTC? You directly compete with BTC when you push your worldwide mass adoption theme and that makes the worldwide mass adoption theme an unsustainable business plan. Therefore, the market doesn't like your worldwide mass adoption theme. Every rational person knows you are unable to compete with BTC on the worldwide mass adoption front. Despite the billion dollars VC investment for BTC infrastructure/utility projects even BTC struggle to educate and convince the mass public to use crypto currencies. What makes you think that you can make a revolution and convince the mass public to use a) crypto currencies  b) use vericoin instead of BTC?  You can't, it is a delusion and fantasy.

2) Your worldwide mass adoption theme is outdated. Yes, it made sense to go with this theme in March/April when you started your coin, it seemed at the time that Litecoin and many other BTC clones can co-exist with BTC, but the events of this summer made clear that all BTC clone altcoins will disappear, except those few blockchain 2 enabled coins. The market spoke this summer about all BTC/LTC clones like VeriCoin. Investors and the community (except your maximum 20 men strong hurrah brigade) are not interested in your worldwide mass adoption theme. Investors don't want to touch your coin, because it's clear you can't achieve mass adoption for vericoin. Instead of investors are interested in blockchain 2 platforms which address the shortcoming of BTC, provide users with more features and do more than BTC does.

If you stick to your worldwide mass adoption theme, you will have the tackle the same issue again and again: VeriCoin is nothing else but one of the 300 BTC clones, there is no unique selling point for vericoin. Just like yourself, we investors thought your CV and academic background will be the unique selling point for VeriCoin, but clearly it's not enough, the well played transparency card doesn't make vericoin an attractive investment opportunity. Having said that, Barrabas could be right again by saying that your only chance is to play the "Good guys" card, it is an option to build on how you handled the mintpal hack.

In my opinion, better to start working because you didn't deliver a thing in the last 8 weeks. To turn around this ship you could try start working on a blockhcain 2 platform by addressing one specific area that you are comfortable with such as decentralized exchange, marketplace or crowd funding and do better that one area than ethereum, viacoin, cloak, etc. Then vericoin would have an actual use case and it would be more than one of the 300 BTC/LTC clones. I have to admit you have little chance to succeed with that blockchain 2 theme, but it is still significantly more than the zero chance of the delusional worldwide mass adoption theme.



And here are another 500 words of rubbish to add to the 15,000 you wrote yesterday. I guess you've got another exciting day of hitting refresh on the VRC thread. Enjoy. 
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 21, 2014, 10:13:56 PM
Isn't it telling that the people "complaining" about "written dissertations" is, precisely, people incapable of writing anything, let alone anything of ANY substance, ever?

There's a very clear and simple (and brief) explanation for that: Those guys can't write and don't like to read either. Sometimes not even the "dissertations" of Nosker -but they perceive those as pumping VRC so they don't mind and applaud them, whether after reading them or not. This is what they think: "Those fuckers should just be pumping VRC so I can sell the coins in which I am down 50% for some profit, or at no loss, to some idiot that would buy my coins".

They don't want to read, let alone understand anything. They just want to con someone into buying their coins for equal or more than they paid for.

So they complain. Because, you know, they can.

I don't write paragraphs of total drivel because it's unnecessary, not because I can't. The last thing I want is VRC to be 'pumped', it's not good for any coin, what we need is real investors, not some pump and dump bullshit. Maybe WVD will help? Hmm, maybe not.
I bought most of my coins at the lowest prices, so the price isn't a problem for me. Don't be angry because your time isn't valuable so you spend many hours on here daily writing crap that nobody cares about, as said before, take a rest and chill the fuck out.

Also, who's complaining? You seem to be complaining more than anyone.


You just dropped quite a turd of raw drivel with no substance whatsoever, as if to prove my point.

But since you mention the pump as something bad and not needed, I am going to fully disagree on that and state that pumping brings momentum, momentum brings volume and volume brings investors. But obviously we are not going to agree on this or on anything else, for that matter. Not even on the sea level.

"Not even on the sea level"  Shocked Shocked Shocked
33  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 21, 2014, 08:47:05 PM
We're going to keep focusing on what we think is important: Utility, ease-of-use, and mass adoption. That's what we have built and that's what we are continuing to work on.

Thanks for confirming, that was my point: there are many disappointed investors and community members, because they assumed your academic training come with less stubbornness, more flexibility and adaptability, and you are willing to react when your theme is not accepted by the market. Your theme is not good. It failed. The market don't like your theme and direction, that's why your coin is 9.5k as we speak and your volume is 7 BTC in Bittrex. The market has spoken, but you are not listening. I guess that's the arrogance of youth that Barrabas has pointed out. This community including me had been asking for weeks please consider blockchain 2 development, you just simply ignore it. I fully understand the implication of the undertaking such a massive development task - on the other hand as we can see 1-2 developers of other coins can role out blockchain 2 features. Many investors/community members hoped you are capable to pull out such development, it seems you are not, and therefore there are disappointed investors/community members - more importantly, there are no new investors.

To be frank, they aren't the same kind of coin by any stretch of the imagination. VIA/Ether/etc. started after the BTC developers requested 2.0 activities not be used on the chain as it was bloating it. VeriCoin is becoming a currency that is easy to use for everyone with utility. We are working on different types of things than VIA/ETHER/etc.

Technically speaking this is not true. I had a chat about it with some BTC developers on the other day. I heard again what they always say, actually they would be happy to see sensible blockchain 2 features e.g smart contracts on the BTC blockchain. All they did, as you know reduced the OP_RETURN output to 40 bytes to make the whole thing a bit sensible and avoid to implement dropbox type of apps on the blockchain. As I can see you do have OP_RETURN output on your source so nothing stopping you to implement blockchain 2 features. You are just not interested in that, you are working on same lame user name feature (which has nothing to dowith blockchain 2) and you are working on your mass worldwide adoption theme.




I'm getting so bored with all the shit you write. You've been on here for 10 hours staight, talking crap. Are you really that dull that you don't have a life?  Grow the fuck up.

Fuck off you brainless cheerleader and find some better other activity than monitoring my posts. Get loss.

I'm not monitoring your posts and I don't hold any VRC - I'm keeping update on news across crypto. But you seem to have writen close to 15,000 words on total tripe in this thread over the last day, like you just woke up and sat at your screen hitting refresh.Take a break, enjoy your friends, go grab a beer. This reall isn't that important.
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 21, 2014, 08:34:15 PM
We're going to keep focusing on what we think is important: Utility, ease-of-use, and mass adoption. That's what we have built and that's what we are continuing to work on.

Thanks for confirming, that was my point: there are many disappointed investors and community members, because they assumed your academic training come with less stubbornness, more flexibility and adaptability, and you are willing to react when your theme is not accepted by the market. Your theme is not good. It failed. The market don't like your theme and direction, that's why your coin is 9.5k as we speak and your volume is 7 BTC in Bittrex. The market has spoken, but you are not listening. I guess that's the arrogance of youth that Barrabas has pointed out. This community including me had been asking for weeks please consider blockchain 2 development, you just simply ignore it. I fully understand the implication of the undertaking such a massive development task - on the other hand as we can see 1-2 developers of other coins can role out blockchain 2 features. Many investors/community members hoped you are capable to pull out such development, it seems you are not, and therefore there are disappointed investors/community members - more importantly, there are no new investors.

To be frank, they aren't the same kind of coin by any stretch of the imagination. VIA/Ether/etc. started after the BTC developers requested 2.0 activities not be used on the chain as it was bloating it. VeriCoin is becoming a currency that is easy to use for everyone with utility. We are working on different types of things than VIA/ETHER/etc.

Technically speaking this is not true. I had a chat about it with some BTC developers on the other day. I heard again what they always say, actually they would be happy to see sensible blockchain 2 features e.g smart contracts on the BTC blockchain. All they did, as you know reduced the OP_RETURN output to 40 bytes to make the whole thing a bit sensible and avoid to implement dropbox type of apps on the blockchain. As I can see you do have OP_RETURN output on your source so nothing stopping you to implement blockchain 2 features. You are just not interested in that, you are working on same lame user name feature (which has nothing to dowith blockchain 2) and you are working on your mass worldwide adoption theme.




I'm getting so bored with all the shit you write. You've been on here for 10 hours staight, talking crap. Are you really that dull that you don't have a life?  Grow the fuck up.
35  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 21, 2014, 01:53:03 PM
So, just going to make this point once, cause I can already see fanboys attacking me.

I gave so much time and effort to this project doing what I could on the forums, trying to create websites, products, ect. As soon as someone negative / critical comes onto this forum you have the sheep from each side attack / pump / anything they can do to promote the position there money is currently in.

This is where I differ. I am here to progress technology, not any individual coin. And that is where, when I see things go wrong, I become constructively critical. I have been constructive in my criticism for weeks / months. If you wish to view my current communication as trolling or whatever, that is your right. I have been here to open up dialogue on how to make vericoin great from the start. I asked hard questions, gave advice to create value, ect ect. During this same time I offered support to other coins as well, Whether I own them or not. I am interested in everything related to a reasonable approach to the blockchain, and THATS IT!

I could care less about making a dollar right now, when I'm successful, for the many reasons I will be one day. I will have all the money I could ever need at that point, when I deserve it. Until then I will take my work / business mission to another coin that is prepared to work hard and succeed.

I'm not aware of the work you have put in. List your top 3 recommendations to improve VRC that have been ignored.

I have a website vericoinsupport, which is one of many. So as an extension of that for months I was "live help" pretty much on the forum, especially during times of distress. I cleared 2 days after MP hack to take time to help advise people to correct the issues. I wasn't the only one, many others stepped up as part of the community to help. I have always been active. I don't need to say what I have done, if people have been here for month than a month you will clearly see how involved I have been. I have named many ideas to promote, many ideas to strengthen the coin in certain areas, and to shore up weaknesses in others.

Not 1 person in the world has more valuable intellectual assets for VRC than I do. So if you think this is something I am doing to profit somehow, get that out of your head right now. I just cannot, in good faith continue to keep my mouth shut, when such horrible leadership has been displayed time, and time again.

So you are annoyed that no one has said "thank you"? What is it you are looking for? Your message is getting lost in your rants.

It doesn't annoy me. I just have to remember the world isn't full of smart, well rounded people. Its another learning experience, as everything has been in crypto. I gave to much credit to the student going for PHD with patents in the real world. These guys seem to be brilliant in the field they chose to go into. I creditted them that they could adapt and create value in economics. The 2 just don't mix. You don't have scientists working on the numbers, you don't have accountants working on the coding.

This just goes to the point I have been making about using the community to create strengths and limit weaknesses. Anyway. I am not going to continue to add value here when I will surely be attacked, and singled out in some way as a FUD'er, or troll. If the community had some leadership, none of this would happen, because the checks and balance of a person with relevant skills would not allow such a horrible choice to be made by the devs.

The devs know, or think they know to much I fear. That it may limit what they are able to learn in this field which requires great adaptation, and a magnitude of time greater than they can give.

You write a lot of words, but don't really say very much. I'll ask again. What is your point? Summarize in 10-20 words max.

How in the world do you expect me to summarize months of work in 10-20 words, when your asking me for a summary took 24 words alone?



*Troll on*

Is this the level of intelligence we should expect from vericoin investors going forward? Its all been said, go read it if you care to find out. Put in some work, quit being lazy if you care. I shouldn't have to spend more time telling you how much of my life I wasted on this project.

*Troll off*


Though it really wasn't a waste. I am critical thinker, so this experience just goes to further my crypto education! Smiley I will be especially more critical in future investments. So if you think these devs had it bad, wait until I support another project! They will hate me until they love me. The quality of your developers means everything to the start of a crypto project.

We had our honeymoon phase, they could do no wrong. But now that reality is setting in, its scary. Nothing moved the needle, and promises, promises promises. That constantly fall flat.

These guys came out promising the world, and many gave them credit for being amazing developers / people including myself. I still have no ill will to any dev as a person. I think the games wizrig played totally fooled the developers and many of the community at the start. You can see it in the high praise for that scammer in many twitter links. But pls don't say anything negative about him, because the devs hold him in very high regard! Perhaps he kicked them some money like the other pumpers who "donated" coins to the developers during the massive pump. Look at Crindon. He seemed/seems to have a very good working relationship to the devs. Look at how far away he has stayed from this coin after he pumped it hard alongside the developers.


A majority of whose left here are hanging onto the hopes, and promises from developers, while the realistic people have come to expect failed execution with every promise.

My point is - in the last hour or so you've written a few thousand words - but I'm still non the wiser. You say you've made points about how VRC can be improved; I've asked what those points are and you've said you don't need to write them out. Yet you are quite happy to write thousands of words of rant/tripe about nothing. If you want to waste your life in this way, then fine, but I don't have the time for this crap anymore.
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 21, 2014, 01:18:16 PM
So, just going to make this point once, cause I can already see fanboys attacking me.

I gave so much time and effort to this project doing what I could on the forums, trying to create websites, products, ect. As soon as someone negative / critical comes onto this forum you have the sheep from each side attack / pump / anything they can do to promote the position there money is currently in.

This is where I differ. I am here to progress technology, not any individual coin. And that is where, when I see things go wrong, I become constructively critical. I have been constructive in my criticism for weeks / months. If you wish to view my current communication as trolling or whatever, that is your right. I have been here to open up dialogue on how to make vericoin great from the start. I asked hard questions, gave advice to create value, ect ect. During this same time I offered support to other coins as well, Whether I own them or not. I am interested in everything related to a reasonable approach to the blockchain, and THATS IT!

I could care less about making a dollar right now, when I'm successful, for the many reasons I will be one day. I will have all the money I could ever need at that point, when I deserve it. Until then I will take my work / business mission to another coin that is prepared to work hard and succeed.

I'm not aware of the work you have put in. List your top 3 recommendations to improve VRC that have been ignored.

I have a website vericoinsupport, which is one of many. So as an extension of that for months I was "live help" pretty much on the forum, especially during times of distress. I cleared 2 days after MP hack to take time to help advise people to correct the issues. I wasn't the only one, many others stepped up as part of the community to help. I have always been active. I don't need to say what I have done, if people have been here for month than a month you will clearly see how involved I have been. I have named many ideas to promote, many ideas to strengthen the coin in certain areas, and to shore up weaknesses in others.

Not 1 person in the world has more valuable intellectual assets for VRC than I do. So if you think this is something I am doing to profit somehow, get that out of your head right now. I just cannot, in good faith continue to keep my mouth shut, when such horrible leadership has been displayed time, and time again.

So you are annoyed that no one has said "thank you"? What is it you are looking for? Your message is getting lost in your rants.

It doesn't annoy me. I just have to remember the world isn't full of smart, well rounded people. Its another learning experience, as everything has been in crypto. I gave to much credit to the student going for PHD with patents in the real world. These guys seem to be brilliant in the field they chose to go into. I creditted them that they could adapt and create value in economics. The 2 just don't mix. You don't have scientists working on the numbers, you don't have accountants working on the coding.

This just goes to the point I have been making about using the community to create strengths and limit weaknesses. Anyway. I am not going to continue to add value here when I will surely be attacked, and singled out in some way as a FUD'er, or troll. If the community had some leadership, none of this would happen, because the checks and balance of a person with relevant skills would not allow such a horrible choice to be made by the devs.

The devs know, or think they know to much I fear. That it may limit what they are able to learn in this field which requires great adaptation, and a magnitude of time greater than they can give.

You write a lot of words, but don't really say very much. I'll ask again. What is your point? Summarize in 10-20 words max.
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 21, 2014, 01:05:23 PM
So, just going to make this point once, cause I can already see fanboys attacking me.

I gave so much time and effort to this project doing what I could on the forums, trying to create websites, products, ect. As soon as someone negative / critical comes onto this forum you have the sheep from each side attack / pump / anything they can do to promote the position there money is currently in.

This is where I differ. I am here to progress technology, not any individual coin. And that is where, when I see things go wrong, I become constructively critical. I have been constructive in my criticism for weeks / months. If you wish to view my current communication as trolling or whatever, that is your right. I have been here to open up dialogue on how to make vericoin great from the start. I asked hard questions, gave advice to create value, ect ect. During this same time I offered support to other coins as well, Whether I own them or not. I am interested in everything related to a reasonable approach to the blockchain, and THATS IT!

I could care less about making a dollar right now, when I'm successful, for the many reasons I will be one day. I will have all the money I could ever need at that point, when I deserve it. Until then I will take my work / business mission to another coin that is prepared to work hard and succeed.

I'm not aware of the work you have put in. List your top 3 recommendations to improve VRC that have been ignored.

I have a website vericoinsupport, which is one of many. So as an extension of that for months I was "live help" pretty much on the forum, especially during times of distress. I cleared 2 days after MP hack to take time to help advise people to correct the issues. I wasn't the only one, many others stepped up as part of the community to help. I have always been active. I don't need to say what I have done, if people have been here for month than a month you will clearly see how involved I have been. I have named many ideas to promote, many ideas to strengthen the coin in certain areas, and to shore up weaknesses in others.

Not 1 person in the world has more valuable intellectual assets for VRC than I do. So if you think this is something I am doing to profit somehow, get that out of your head right now. I just cannot, in good faith continue to keep my mouth shut, when such horrible leadership has been displayed time, and time again.

So you are annoyed that no one has said "thank you"? What is it you are looking for? Your message is getting lost in your rants.
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 21, 2014, 12:54:40 PM
So, just going to make this point once, cause I can already see fanboys attacking me.

I gave so much time and effort to this project doing what I could on the forums, trying to create websites, products, ect. As soon as someone negative / critical comes onto this forum you have the sheep from each side attack / pump / anything they can do to promote the position there money is currently in.

This is where I differ. I am here to progress technology, not any individual coin. And that is where, when I see things go wrong, I become constructively critical. I have been constructive in my criticism for weeks / months. If you wish to view my current communication as trolling or whatever, that is your right. I have been here to open up dialogue on how to make vericoin great from the start. I asked hard questions, gave advice to create value, ect ect. During this same time I offered support to other coins as well, Whether I own them or not. I am interested in everything related to a reasonable approach to the blockchain, and THATS IT!

I could care less about making a dollar right now, when I'm successful, for the many reasons I will be one day. I will have all the money I could ever need at that point, when I deserve it. Until then I will take my work / business mission to another coin that is prepared to work hard and succeed.

I'm not aware of the work you have put in. List your top 3 recommendations to improve VRC that have been ignored.
39  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 21, 2014, 12:34:20 PM
For fun, lets start posting some of the great stuff that devs said, that never materialized, yet, they never have acknowledged as a failure / mistake. No accountability / will to learn from past mistakes. Repeating the same mistakes over and over. I thought VRC was smarter than that.

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/480875287132246016 (pumping) June - 22

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/484507995855134720 (pumping) July - 2

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/486595640873725952 (pumping) July - 8

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/486670315293249536 (pumping) July - 8

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/501053069015396352 (negotiating) Aug - 17

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/501707550551990273 (pumping) Aug -19



Tweets to people and replies aren't pumping. I think you need to take a look at the multitude of twitter pump groups if you think I am a pumper. If I was, I wouldn't be here still and you wouldn't know my name.

You are a pumper, should I put the price up to before / after every tweeted pump you made? Now I will continue to post more evidence then so people can judge for themselves.

You have incredible timining with news releases when price was about to get "soft" Maybe it was you, on your own, maybe it was the pressure from wizrig? I will get a clear picture painted for people. Though It would not suprise me if your clearing up all the old pump material as we speak. I have so much to cover this could take all day.

Seriously, don't waste your time. You are clearly angry because you lost some $. Nothing is a given in life, especially in crypto. Get over yourself. Look in the mirror.

Angry? Not in the least. Realistic? Yes.

I understand people blindly defend there investment money. So you can be mad at me for pointing this out. That is fine. The critical thinkers who may have missed this may want to know about the past.


 
VRC is 4 days late on a major announcement! https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/499944260092043265

This is 3rd or 4th from last post from Pnosker. Pumping yet another failed execution.

Seriously, 4 days late and you are having a melt down? You obviously don't have enough if life to worry about. 4 months late, then yeah I could see your point. Seriously dude - get off the internet and go for a walk in the park.
40  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][VRC] | VeriCoin | POS - NSDI | VeriBit | VeriSend | VeriSMS on: August 21, 2014, 12:23:44 PM
For fun, lets start posting some of the great stuff that devs said, that never materialized, yet, they never have acknowledged as a failure / mistake. No accountability / will to learn from past mistakes. Repeating the same mistakes over and over. I thought VRC was smarter than that.

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/480875287132246016 (pumping) June - 22

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/484507995855134720 (pumping) July - 2

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/486595640873725952 (pumping) July - 8

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/486670315293249536 (pumping) July - 8

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/501053069015396352 (negotiating) Aug - 17

https://twitter.com/pnosker/status/501707550551990273 (pumping) Aug -19



Tweets to people and replies aren't pumping. I think you need to take a look at the multitude of twitter pump groups if you think I am a pumper. If I was, I wouldn't be here still and you wouldn't know my name.

You are a pumper, should I put the price up to before / after every tweeted pump you made? Now I will continue to post more evidence then so people can judge for themselves.

You have incredible timining with news releases when price was about to get "soft" Maybe it was you, on your own, maybe it was the pressure from wizrig? I will get a clear picture painted for people. Though It would not suprise me if your clearing up all the old pump material as we speak. I have so much to cover this could take all day.

Seriously, don't waste your time. You are clearly angry because you lost some $. Nothing is a given in life, especially in crypto. Get over yourself. Look in the mirror.
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