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21  Other / Off-topic / Re: April Fools Tomorrow- Let's see who the jokers and the suckers are on: March 31, 2014, 10:12:36 PM
Found the first one already:

http://frontpage.fok.nl/nieuws/645788/1/1/50/oma-vindt-ouwe-sok-met-bitcoins.html

Translated (google translate offcourse):
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Cool news from the polder. Hilda Nienhuus from Drenthe hamlet Schimmelarij has an old sock full of bitcoins found in the attic today.

"Today I was started spring cleaning," says the 77-year-old woman. "And suddenly I found in the attic an old sock."

"Because it rattled during shaking, I was curious. During the sock turned whopping 926 bitcoins to sit."

Converted the coins represent an amount of more than 310,000 euros. The harridan has no idea what she will do. With all the money "I'm at least need new shoes", she concludes.
22  Other / Off-topic / Re: April Fools Tomorrow- Let's see who the jokers and the suckers are on: March 31, 2014, 10:10:32 PM
Google will accept bitcoin.
Or Apple will accept bitcoin.
Or paypal/Ebay

Hell, a lot.
23  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Primecoin GPU miner: 1.2 chains (6.7 XPMs) / day on: March 31, 2014, 09:46:12 PM
Ah ok, do you still need testers?  Grin
Well, right now I hope that we don't need additional testers Smiley

EDIT: We would like to have some additional non-paid testers.
If you have a rig with 3-5 280x/7970 with Windows 7/8 x64 on it and your activity on the forum is above 150 - please PM me
(if you already did and I haven't replied to you - sorry, I must have overlooked the message, please send me another one).

PM Sent
24  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden - DUTCH CRYPTO - DISTRIBUTION STARTED! on: March 31, 2014, 07:12:10 PM

I thought it was already posted here that you can submit most of the info and leave out certain fields and still receive the coin.  The Dev has to find a healthy balance so people aren't scamming the system and only the Dutch are receiving coins.  

The current method is the down and dirty method, which yes, is causing a slight uproar.  Though it's not as if this can't be changed, I still haven't seen any solid recommendations to how they should proceed that protects your identities AND wards of identity spoofing to receive coins.  

There's 2 worst case scenarios that I see regarding the distribution.

1)  Site gets hacked/database gets compromised and that information is leaked (bad).  This is easily remedied if he purges the database to offline storage every 24 hours and encrypted.  Ensuring the information of the individual is not kept online and easily accessible.  Since it's just for verification purposes anyway, after the coin is handed out, there's no need for it to be accessible online anymore.

2)  The system is changed with less strict information.  Spoofers find a loophole and get coins that were supposed go to the Dutch citizens, pre-mine doesn't have enough to cover all Citizens.  Thus the whole trust factor is gone, and the system fails.

1 is the easiest workaround for now.

2 I don't see as feasible, too risky.

I'd recommend almost going through a third party verification system.  I don't know if your country has one (short of government levels of course), but that would be the happy medium.  Bottom line, there's always a risk.  Sony's been hacked, Yahoo's been hacked, Target's been hacked, the list goes on.  Millions of user information and CC and such distributed (and those are just in the last two years).  The internet is a "risky" place, you jeopardize your privacy for the freedom of it by going on it daily.  I'd assume your country has safeguards in place for identity theft, I know we do.  I've never, in over a decade of IT experience had someone get identity theft and the CC/Bank not cover them for losses completely.  

I suspect if the dev is passionate about this project, safeguards will be put in place over time, and things will be improved to quell concerns.

IDK if you guys follow world news, but consider my country (USA) healthcare.gov site.  First few days into it all information was no more secure than this dev's site, and that's my government with enormous spending, social security #'s, etc all non-encrypted across the front end.  Let's face it, in terms of security on the net, most dev's tend to be reactive, not proactive unfortunately.

I recommend you guys just keep positive, send in some ideas that are functional rather than offering no solutions and just complaining.  If realistic ideas come up, and the dev's don't follow it, then you can pounce on them.

Sorry for the novel, just trying to keep things constructive.


Thanks for being constructive Perls,

I will always try to remain positive, that's my nature  Grin And I also will try to remain constructive as well. This is exactly what I have done when I read about this coin in the first place:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522661.msg5819680#msg5819680

I will be more than glad to pick it up from there. The current approach however is really not good!


Also this was quite constructive I think:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=522661.msg5821356#msg5821356


There's a lot of little things that can be done, but I'm assuming this is a small team like most crypto.  If I wasn't lazy I'd consider doing one with the people I know.  Some basic things that literally require no effort, just a bit of knowledge:

I was just about to post that they should add forums and noticed that they just did.  Those that are passionate about the coin should sign up, and show some activity.  Helps settle worries/doubts.

SSL (https) is easy to implement as well, someone mentioned their concern of it here.  Most don't know how it works, but people have been conditioned to understand that its important.  The entire process takes <30 min to configure (though about 2-days for the CA to go through) and it's cheap.

The little things matter of course, awareness being one of the most important.  I don't know much about the dutch culture but I'm learning.





Main thing of dutch culture is: "Shit on everything, but to lazy to do something about it"
25  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden - DUTCH CRYPTO - DISTRIBUTION STARTED! on: March 31, 2014, 06:23:55 PM
Also, it is possible to upload batch files (.bat) so have fun as they dont check for file extentions!

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Hello test test,

We have received your request.

After verifying your personal details we will deposit 50 EFL into the following wallet address:

a21sdgf54q34t424a145ds4f65a

Please note that it can take some time to verify your personal details and deposit EFL into your wallet. If you have not received your share of Electronic Gulden after 3 working days, contact our support team by sending an e-mail to support@e-gulden.com (make sure you add your unique 8 digit reference number).

Your reference number is: C6CTEGHP

Have a great day!

Sincerely yours,

Team Electronic Gulden

And again, I understand that this thread is in English. And maybe even the website is English too. But WTH is the confirmation to a Dutch claimer also NOT DUTCH???

I know the DEV is Dutch, so it's not like they are nigerians trying to scam it, but is there any sensible explanation to this question?

Agreed,

Also i could try to make a script which deletes the database, however i have not yet found a bug in Joomla:
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<meta name="generator" content="Joomla! - Open Source Content Management" />
Which allows SQL Injection, i can look for a zero-day by rebooting into linux, but i'd rather prefer watching the walking dead.

Also what you can do, is try to find out how the input fields upload the documents by installing your own joomla with roksprocket, its not so hard to duplicate.
With that, you can find out the default upload folder and guess document names, i think you can find some if they dont use GUID's for example.

Hell, it might even be possible to just dump the entire DB and send it with FTP to your own if the uploaded files get executed.

For me, its:
1. not secure enough
2. not transparent enough.

I would reccomend no-one send their ID's there, ID Fraud is a bitch!
And i dont have the time and dont feel like to do any of the above, i've had enough troubles in the past.
But someone else might, so even if the DEV is not feeling scammy, someone else might find it very useful

And now i'm off, the walking dead season finale is on.
Ps, i dont hate Crypto's or EFL, i just dont like the way he confirms your residence.
26  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden - DUTCH CRYPTO - DISTRIBUTION STARTED! on: March 31, 2014, 06:03:36 PM
Also, it is possible to upload batch files (.bat) so have fun as they dont check for file extentions!

Quote
Hello test test,

We have received your request.

After verifying your personal details we will deposit 50 EFL into the following wallet address:

a21sdgf54q34t424a145ds4f65a

Please note that it can take some time to verify your personal details and deposit EFL into your wallet. If you have not received your share of Electronic Gulden after 3 working days, contact our support team by sending an e-mail to support@e-gulden.com (make sure you add your unique 8 digit reference number).

Your reference number is: C6CTEGHP

Have a great day!

Sincerely yours,

Team Electronic Gulden
27  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden - DUTCH CRYPTO - DISTRIBUTION STARTED! on: March 31, 2014, 05:52:31 PM
FYI:
http://money.howstuffworks.com/identity-theft.htm

Most important:
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With a person's name, social security number and date of birth, someone can get loans, access the person's existing bank accounts, open new bank accounts, lease or buy cars, get insurance, you name it.
28  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden - DUTCH CRYPTO - DISTRIBUTION STARTED! on: March 31, 2014, 05:48:21 PM
Lol amazing troll... EFL is just a amazing coin

I think he just wanted to brag that he has 10,000 AUR.

Ik hoef er echt niet over op te scheppen hoor, de meesten weten het al. Maar wees nou eens eerlijk, zou jij alle informatie invullen die gevraagd wordt op de claim pagina? En waarom is die eigenlijk in het Engels? Ik heb absoluut niets tegen deze munt zelf, ik ben alleen erg verbaasd dat er niemand is die er blijkbaar zo over valt als er nu met Auroracoin is gebeurd. Laten we ze eens vergelijken:

Auroracoin:

21.000.000 coins, 330.000 inwoners, 31,8 coins per inwoner, economie volledig verwoest, registratie via transparant ID systeem i.c.m. Facebook of SMS

E-Gulden:

21.000.000 coins, 17.000.000 inwoners, 0,6 coins per inwoner, economie zeer krachtig, registratie o.b.v. gegevens die je huisarts nog niet eens mag vragen!!!

Ik heb de DEV (Eduard) al in het begin gezegd dat het een nobel streven is om dit op te pakken, maar dat gevoelsmatig niemand in NL zijn best zal doen voor 0,6 Gulden. Als hij de totale hoeveelheid had verhoogd naar een paar miljard en ze op een wat frivolere manier in de markt zou zetten (kwartje van kok of zo) zou het m.i. wel kunnen weren. Op deze manier gaat het op zeker NIET!

Gewoon gezond verstand gebruiken dus???

Well I just uploaded my id and info, they cant do anything with my stuff i dont own any money so they can try.
But I hope they can be trusted and they will delete all the info about the people after distribution.

And our economy sucks to, compared to other country's maybe its a bit better, but the goverment is still borrowing loads of money, And the people pay more and more taxes because of that.
Thats what they make you believe our economy is good, but you can only compare it to other shit economy's and thirth world country's, everyone is like luckely im not from there I must be happy in the situation I am in now because i have it so much better.
But no one ever helps those country's in need, they keep them shitty on purpose so we keep thinking we have it super good.


To open a bank account you need an ID, and he's got one now, able to register to your name.
After that, create some sort of scam website and ask people to pay some money for transfer cost or something, it goes to your bank account, he transfers it out of it, and you get the blame.

Hell, few years ago, lots of teenagers would be willing to open a bank account for a cell phone.
For me? no way, i'm not giving away my personal information, i know how it works and i dont feel like getting the blame or it.
29  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: ☆☆ [ANN] SURGE ~~ A NEW WAVE IS COMING! ☆☆ on: March 31, 2014, 12:43:54 PM
signed up for the giveaway Smiley
30  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Primecoin GPU miner: 1.2 chains (6.7 XPMs) / day on: March 31, 2014, 12:36:28 PM
Ye i'm also missing that, checked the website posted in the OP.
downloaded the stuff, but cant get it to work yet.
We haven't started selling the miner, so the mining server executable works only for the testers for now (you need a license key to get it working).
We should have placed this info on the site (will do it right now) - sorry about this.

Ah ok, do you still need testers?  Grin
31  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN] Primecoin GPU miner: 1.2 chains (6.7 XPMs) / day on: March 31, 2014, 12:26:05 PM
What is the trick to setting this thing up?

What are the command line flags?
Ye i'm also missing that, checked the website posted in the OP.
downloaded the stuff, but cant get it to work yet.
32  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden - DUTCH CRYPTO - DISTRIBUTION STARTED! on: March 31, 2014, 11:19:13 AM
This smells fishy

No way in hell I'm sending you guys my BSN and a copy of my id.


I still agree on this.
I checked the site to get verified, however sending a copy of my ID?
Maybe only the the "Nationaliteit" open, but nothing else, and i guess that wouldnt be enough.

And even aside from all its not even legal to ask for the BSN.
Hell, even other company's wont get it from me.
33  Other / Off-topic / Re: The hoverboard has become a reality! on: March 31, 2014, 07:36:31 AM
Give!

I want it so bad!
34  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Eurokoin (EU₭) RELEASED, new traders welcome on: March 29, 2014, 08:58:32 AM
What happened to this coin!?

fasted death of a coin, ever
35  Economy / Digital goods / Re: Make $500+ per day with CPC - Noob friendly on: March 28, 2014, 03:08:25 PM
Ah, the standard spam "Earn 5000$ per month from home".

Yeeaahhh no
36  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][EFL] Electronic Gulden - DUTCH CRYPTO - KGW IMPLEMENTED / UPDATE NOW!! on: March 28, 2014, 09:03:19 AM
i agree... No way i'll send over my ID copy etc. for 50 coins at this value... or any value at all! you can have 1 of my phonebills and thats it!  Wink

I agree.
Aside from the legal issues, there is no way people are going to send their ID to an unknown party.
better use the way that aurora is doing, using facebook.

I still dont like it, but other people will
37  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][AUR][MANDATORY UPDATE] Auroracoin - a cryptocurrency for Iceland on: March 28, 2014, 08:58:08 AM
Whats up with the price?
Seems only to go down now.

Maybe cause of bitcoin going down?
38  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Why all the coins are getting cheaper? on: March 28, 2014, 08:32:16 AM
Because there are just to much
39  Bitcoin / Mining / Re: What are your plans for your rigs in the summer? on: March 27, 2014, 01:20:22 PM
Well, i'm gonna quit mining then.
Currently using cloud mining as i dont have a lot of time to tweak it all
40  Other / Off-topic / Re: MS-DOS is open source now on: March 27, 2014, 10:43:22 AM

And there goes the coffee

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