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No need to, that will just drum up un-needed drama. I can't believe there are idiots really selling at this stage of Cloak development. Don't know if they are weak or just think they will drop price in order to buy back in cheaper. To me it's not worth the risk. I'm holding my Cloak with an iron fist!
Having mined them for basically free in the first week, $1 each is pretty good. Selling at least 10-25% of your holdings at each big step is smart if you hold enough. I agree. There are scenarios where not selling at this stage makes you a moron. Not many but of course there are a few. Like if you absolutely have to or don't understand the value of holding a winning trade. Or if Cloak's valuation was say 20 Mil and there was and upcoming 'anon' coin that had a value of say 4.5 Mil but it's architecture and development team were extremely talented etc etc. I hope you get the idea. Keep in mind valuation and not X amount per coin($) but market cap and possible future supply. Don't get too excited just yet and hopefully even the 'day' traders will have the sense to stay long. Then again, that is a different game so to each a strategy as they like. Let see what happens on the next order of magnitude up and see how much is for sale then. Also, check the depth on some other coins and see if you could get out if you were a larger trader and were trying to move bigger size into or out of any given market. It doesn't seem like many coin holders outside of other 'privacy' coins are even around this forum yet. They are probably starting to notice today especially. There is a bunch of btc on the sidelines and real big money won't be involved until much later. Hold tight ya'll. |
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Based on the PoSA public beta (which is mind blowing) and the exciting CIARA news, Cloakcoin should be skyrocketing in price, but it has fallen back some instead. If you think that all the name calling, arguing, and bad sentiment in this thread, twitter, wherever has no negative effects, then you are wrong. I totally get what Wheatclove is saying. There are no regulations in crypto, you are free to do and say what u please...just know and remember that it does reflect on the coin.
This is a good point but it is also good to call out the offensive attacks which are techniques from other forces one may not always understand. What do you think about starting a self-moderated Investor Relations Cloakcoin Thread?
This Thread could show graphs of the price development of the last 3 months , Every news from the Developers and basic figures which you normally want to see trading stocks.
Moreover we could concentrate real Investor Questions without fud and get them to the developers in an Q&A Session every week.
Please give me your opinion to that. I would need some help from 2-3 Members to get this done. If we get positive feedback we could make this thread more open to other coins using the same procedure.
Background: I am getting bored to read 20 pages of "nothing" after finding some real important information when I evaluate my trading options atm.
Also a good point so to separate the different 'threads' of discussion (if possible). I hear what people are saying about the overall depth of the thread, arguing etc,. This,though, should not be the reason one invests in a crypto. It should be about the technology behind it. Cloak is just starting. About a month old. If I invested money not in technology but the fanboys and how they conducted themselves, I'd be poor. If you want intelligent debate and banter, start it. Ask questions. Post it again if it gets buried or goes unanswered. This is nonsense. To come here and say the price must be falling or stagnant due to x,y,z is gross misinformation and at it's worst sheer fud. You don't know, I will repeat, YOU DON"T KNOW, how many times I have bought or dumped enmass a crypto, moving a market one way or the other, only to have people try to rationalize the price swing with 'it must be multi pools dumping' or 'the chinese just woke up, buying'. If it appears cheap to you, that is the time to buy. That's good investing. The devs have been updating POSA regularly. You want updates on ONEMARKET? Go to irc, #cloakcoin. PM or ask x11joe any question you want. Fuck, post it here. If you want 'intelligent banter' be prepared to start it.
Excellent point. Been following your posts for over a year now I think. Interesting we have similar coin(s) in common. |
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But I'm not trolling. Or maybe I am.. What is the definition of trolling?
To me its spreading fud. My meme was not fud.
It's all true.. 8 months of broken promises from the drk dev team, no decentralized anon feature and you guys are encouraging people to buy in now.
I'm just voicing my opinion and it obviously bothers you for one reason or another.
I'm still catching up on posts from the weekend but I have to say that I support your opinion here Bob. Drk has been making a bunch of promises and baiting people in all along. Promises, promises. The Drk supporters want to protect the 'identity' and perception of the coin as a leader in anything 'anon' just by talking the loudest and silencing dissenting opinion. You have a right to post there as much as anyone else, particularly with facts. The whole 'fud' thing is way overused at this point. When noobs come into these forums they should be given information just because there are so many ripoff artists in this game. Just makes them think about what to do with their hard earned money/savings. Some holders are just mad they didn't sell earlier, that is the reality. As I've said before, it is likely better to be diversified around coins but it is sometimes easy to get one-sided. This is the only 'free lunch' on w@$& street as they say. On that note; coin values are still averaging out as I had thought and I would expect further increases particularly in cloak as it's market cap is still below that of BC/XC/MON/BYTE/DRK. If you like the coin, hold with confidence. Kudos to the dev teams and the hard work they are no doubt putting in on a daily basis. Bravo and keep up the good work!! |
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You're in early now. Enjoy the ride. I'm with you in regard to the fact that I'm probably high print on any of the last upward spikes in cloak. Hold with conviction. There are 18 BTC between 'last price' and 150k on cryptsy. That is 18x612=11016K. It's not gonna take much to move the market and besides that, there is not more supply available. We may see a mini-bubble in prices, it just happens sometimes.
Bravo to you all with those 12-18K prints.
OK this means nothing, it also does not take much to tank the price back to 18K. In fact, this is true of many altcoins, and the less liquid they are, the easier it is to move the price, but it still means nothing. It means something when you are trying to trade size. It also means more in POS coins where there is a different type of supply than with mine-able coins where the miners come back in and knock the prices back in line. |
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No offense to XC holders, as I am not bashing, but XC just fell below Cloak on Mintpal as far as price...
I'm just confused about XC. Do they have working anonymous transactions? I keep hearing about xnodes, but the details seem to be lacking. Me too. I think it's good to stay abreast of tangent developments. >> Notice the steady decline of most other anon coins vs. cloak at the moment (1 day or 6-12 hour chart). Notice the buy 'support' or 'buy wall' of any coin and there is no liquidity. There is nobody to sell to right now. Anyone in these coins right now is an early adopter. Some are better than others. What's the prediction for price?! at least 150k after PoSA?
My $0.02 (from someone who routinely buys just before dumps and is usually late to the party, so take it with a big pinch of salt): If it gets to 150k, it will be from buy pressure from existing cloakheads thinking it's about to take off, rather than new buyers. Then there'll probably be a bit of selling when people are disappointed by the lack of rocket to the moon. Some may give up all together. Then a small rally. Then, hopefully, we'll get recognition for the strength of the product and articles written about it and slow organic growth from new buyers arriving until we eventually reach astounding highs (along with the prerequisite shenanigans of pump and dump moguls most of the way) You're in early now. Enjoy the ride. I'm with you in regard to the fact that I'm probably high print on any of the last upward spikes in cloak. Hold with conviction. There are 18 BTC between 'last price' and 150k on cryptsy. That is 18x612=11016K. It's not gonna take much to move the market and besides that, there is not more supply available. We may see a mini-bubble in prices, it just happens sometimes. Bravo to you all with those 12-18K prints. |
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Still holding my CLOAK, but there is a small chance that it (PoSA) is pretending something that it is not. I'm gambling on it though.
Closely watching the developement of PoSa, so I am pretty optimistic, if I understood correct after its released marketing will be pushed and it would be matter of days to see OneMarket working POSA is real and they nailed it. Look at the videos lol look at the code look at everything. Why would they be spending time doing all these tests and getting everyone to try to crack the bugs if it werent real big thing will be onemarket, it will be awsome I'll be use it  I agree. OneMarket with untraceable transactions = huge adoption of this coin. BTW I had a look at DRK coins market, and it is completely lame. The best item they had for sell was a 32 bit copy of windows 7. Made me wanna puke.  When we get a solid PoSA wallet, and OneMarket gets cranked up, you will see lots of dumping at BC, DRK, XC to get some precious cloakcoins. Mostly DRK though, because it is so overpriced. This is an excellent point from the valuation side. Risk control, volatility, diversification, etc... Average those market caps and then take the mean. Cloak is undervalued by all measures IMHO. It is a risk arbitrage issue and the big money has not even hit yet. I think it started to flow in when we saw those huge moves in the Drk market. That and limited supply contributed to those upward spikes. It's like the wild west out there. Really young technology with lots of promise. Average in. Don't get married to one coin if that's what it takes. They are all cheap now but there will be a day when some are more useful than others? |
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i'm potentially going to invest in cloak, but can someone address some of these concerns that i've seen on reddit?
-No proof of technical details. The whitepapers are very vague and contain no groundbreaking details. Details that would be potentially groundbreaking, like how PoSA works or how the OneMarket protocol works are glossed over. The FAQ gives half-assed answers.
-The client is nothing more than Bitcoin-QT with integrated API trading. No stealth transaction functionality.
-The dev(s) are completely anonymous.
-Users on Bitcointalk have complained about critical posts deleted in the CloakCoin announcement thread
-The PoW stage lasted 7 days, which means the dev(s) could have mined a large portion of the total coins. Some miners reported seeing 20 GH/s on the network immediately. This is effectively a premine dump.
-I can't find much original code in the Github repo. It seems like it's all code copied from Bitcoin-qt and related repos with minor modifications. Certainly no code for the alleged groundbreaking algos in CloakCoin.
-The site is all talk and no show. The vague whitepapers, the snazzy meaningless graphics, the pointless youtube videos under "development," and the lack of technical discussion in the community.
and these technical questions as well:
- how do you prevent blockchain bloat if nodes are sending dust to each other all the time?
- if staking coins are spent to mix/forward txs to recipients, then how can you trust the nodes won't steal coins instead of forwarding them?
- if new addresses are mined to anonymise transactions, then how do you avoid losing transactions due to orphaned blocks?
- alternatively if you wait for the blocks to mature, then how do you avoid long transaction times?
thanks
Devs dont use this much and it seems moderator Coolstorybro is afk... head to the IRC we have 5 devs and 1 is normally or many other knowledgeable people like theoretical and mrgnome or darkproton.... guys in the testing irc are in that irc as well so best way to get answers is head over there.. To be honest i would answer most of those for u but late night and im to drunk..LULZ Hey buddy, I'll still be your friend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJ2f-xQVxCQedit: These seem like good questions? edit2: Just took a bath in the rain. |
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Really interesting to see Prof. John C. Mitchell, Prof. Dan Boneh (Profs @ Stanford) and their colleagues to adult of PoSA. So how can we make it happen? Does one of the devs/TR have connection with them ? bump4dis Money talks. I'd rather spend the money now and have PoSA audited by a leading figure in cryptography. This way it will defuse any future FUDpacking by competing currencies. How much money would it require? Think they would want to be paid in BTC, Cloak, or USD? Whoever has the authority to do this could probably make some first contact (they probably already have) and we can hope to get the funds situated once we get to that point. Nice work on the coin and info in the forum posts. I seem to learn something new every time I read through here. Have been getting educated on the competition between the 'anon' style coins. Have moved out of Drk and currently favor Cloak, Black, and XC (even though I don't understand any of them fully). I'm sure there are some other great coins out there and maybe on the horizon but for now the development in Cloak seems to me to out-rival anything else around. Cheers |
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Good time for a vote :-)
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One of the best places to vote is at our BTC address on Cryptsy!!
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Currently we have 8667 votes up from around 6700 a few days ago!! Currently in 5th place there!!
If any Orange supporters don't have a Poloniex account yet, sign up there as we are listed there also. You have to have an active 'trading' account to vote meaning you have to have some trading activity!!
Best of luck!!
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Hi Ben! Nice to have OC listed on Kingcoiny!! Wanted to ask you if your platform supports internal give-aways or referrals? Thanks!! |
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Are there any plans for a MAC wallet? Really great game you all... In time this thing will be cruising along with greater speed and efficiency.
Nice coin and cool game. Lots of hours I'm sure you all have in this.
Thanks again
thanks. mac wallet is >> http://forum.huntercoin.org/index.php?topic=37.0Works on Lion+ .. let me know how it goes. make sure you backup your wallet. also, unless you want to wait a few days to sync, you're probably better downloading the chain on that page. I will upload the new chain in a day or 2. Atm, syncing from blocks since the hardfork is very quick.. it's just the blocks before which are painful. Got the wallet down and was trying to get the .zip file to unzip in my library folder but something was not working correctly and it wasn't unzipping.. I'm not sure if it's because of different file formats Mac/Windows etc. If I use the files from Mega do I download each of the chain files separately? Thanks again! |
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dasource, call dev for us see if he fixed last bugs or not  dasource I can confirm it has been  TR_ boolberry would be cool to trade but theres alot of stuff about the private mining programs that turn me off r00tback dasource, so what u waiting now  want me to sleep to release it ? dasource final tests currently underway PokeACloak ^ ^ is this where you have moved to? Nice updates from xc and cloak today... I dont move.. I simply hang around the best. So yes you will see me here and in XC thread for now I'm in agreement. |
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Hi guys, After being some fan of DRK, I recently discovered CLOAK and and it quickly became my most favorite coin up-to-date. In my opinion it has really a huge potential and would like to show my support here. I own a YouTube channel, dedicated to the music by Beethoven and have more than 30K subscribers and more than 25,000 viewers per day! Here is it: https://www.youtube.com/user/Lacrimosa12I would be really happy to support this great coin by making some video about CLOAK and feature it in my channel, which will get a lot of viewers for sure. I am still not sure about what kind of a video should it be, but something about promoting the CLOAK and in the same time directed to people with very little knowledge to the crypto currencies. Of course in the background will be the music by Beethoven, due to the specific YouTube channel I would appreciate your ideas and support regarding this mission. Feel free to contact me also at: tcherkin@gmail.comKind regards, Georgii Cerkiin My CLOAK: C4Pmp5JF8w5cuWiE4uZ8ZRSSQ77DmEagAv I got drunk with the music and found myself in a state of crypto-Beethoven stupor. I'm happy to take us to a new daily high. Keep it up DEV's.
Then I thought. If you buy cloak now then your future will be rich  Then I laughed. Then I bought. |
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Are there any plans for a MAC wallet? Really great game you all... In time this thing will be cruising along with greater speed and efficiency.
Nice coin and cool game. Lots of hours I'm sure you all have in this.
Thanks again
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To anyone worried that staking isn't working on 1.9.6, here's my wallet:  As you can see, a few of the transactions are grayed-out (everything from 7/12). This seems to be the problem a bunch of people have been facing. This happens when you are able to mine coins but aren't connected long enough afterward to complete the 4 confirmations that are required.Additonally: Help with SyncingIf you've read any of my past posts, I had problems syncing my wallet for a while. I was able to fix this by going to these two files (blk0001.dat, blkindex.dat), deleting them, and then restarting my wallet. (Note: I also had to execute the 'repairwallet' command in the console to get my balance to update)  I just wanted to clear up any of my contributions to FUD and help anyone facing the same problems I did. Hey, thanks for posting with the solutions. I deleted the two (blk0001.dat, blkindex.dat) files and then restarted the wallet. It did attempt to re-synch and seems like it did but then wallet shows 'out of synch' and balance on wallet is zero... I tried the repairwallet command within console too and got this "wallet check passed" : true still looks like it is trying to catch up and not sure how daggers post about POS affects anything with this.... thanks again EDIT: Ok. So after some time wallet started synching better it seems and picked up some transactions, after this I ran 'repairwallet' and got several of the addresses back so everything is synched up now and seems to be good. Thank you |
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Hey Everyone. I am having some difficulty in synching the new wallet and wondered if anyone can help me figure this out. I had some trouble recently with another wallet and solved that issue with a 'repairwallet' command within the console. I am not having the same success using this command within the Cloak wallet.
Wallet is encrypted but unlocked and is the new MAC download that is available on MEGA.
Thanks anyone that can help with this.
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My coins under stake have automatically turned to '0'? Any idea?
I am on version 1.39 try 'repairwallet' in the console. it worked thanks so much, i had to ran that repairwallet twice. Also, i have few unconfirmed transactions like your have that "?" under the transactions tab, should they be confirmed automatically? These transactions are from "Staking" Thanks again. no those are orphaned "staked" blocks Got it thanks, I will wait on the how to for dumping private keys. what do u want to do with now that its recovered?!  just delete the full wallet! if u still monitor XC price changes u will end up having a heart attack! delete the full wallet and save ur life! That didn't work mate!!!! I already tried that, the command repair wallet worked. ummm you deleted your wallet.dat? Nope, not the wallet.dat Alrighty. Looks like I am having the same difficulty as this fellow. Keep in mind I am running the Mac wallet?? I'm not all that tech savvy and am having a difficult time finding the console tab within my wallet. Do I just type repair wallet on the command line when I find it? Thanks anyone who can help me figure this out... |
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Ok, so I have downloaded the new XC program and have transferred the X11 wallet.dat file into the new app folder(XC). It is showing the transactions from the prior program but my balance is not there... Where should I be looking for that? When the prior wallet(x11) stopped synching it was showing the coins as 'staking.' What should I do know and where should I look for the coins?
Thanks
When you transfer an old wallet.dat to a new wallet, it still has your transaction history bookmarked, hence why you see that and not your balance. Once the blockchain download catches up to where in line you got your coins, they will show up. Pretty much you just have to let the blockchain download and then your coins will show up or at least in my experience that is how I comprehend it. Ok. That's what I was thinking too but so far the new XC wallet program is all synched up but coins are not appearing in my balance... Does it have anything to do with the 'staking' function? I'm all synched up looking at the transaction history that is correct and looking at a zero balance... Any all all help is appreciated, thank you. I am not familiar with mac wallet, but if you backed up ur wallet.dat correctly before doing all that, dont worry just keep it safe. XC wallet has been revamped from X11 to XC, that meaning that the app folder(which I repeat I do not know how it is named or where it is in mac), must be deleted because it will no loger work. Your new wallet creates a new XC folder, in which you have to re-past ur wallet.dat and .conf file. In the dowloaded wallet there should be a .conf provided by atsecure. Once the blockhain syncs again, ur coins will be there, staking or not. If you are running into problems, I think the -repairwallet function was really helpful for a lot of people here, just search it in this topic(upper right corner) Ok. I did back up my wallet.dat correctly as far as I know. I went into 'file' and 'backup wallet' in the previous wallet and created multiple backups stored in different places but why when I put my backed up wallet into the new 'XC' wallet program is it not recognizing my coins? Does it have anything to do that they were 'staking' when the prior "X11" stop synching? In regard to that, can I use the previous "x11" wallet and synch with the prior wallet somehow? In that particular wallet my coins are shown in there but as I have said they are shown as 'staking.' I can try the -repairwallet function but really don't know exactly what to do with it... thanks for your input edit: I am also not showing a .conf file in my download once I unzip the download file all that comes up is the new wallet program. edit2: I ran the 'repairwallet' command in the old "X11" wallet and got this back >> "wallet check passed" : true EDIT3: OK. SEEMS LIKE I HAVE SOLVED THE ISSUE. RAN THE 'REPAIRWALLET' COMMAND WITHIN THE NEW 'XC' WALLET AND IT RECOGNIZED THE MISMATCHED COINS. THANKS AGAIN FOR THE HELP FORUM!!! |
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Ok, so I have downloaded the new XC program and have transferred the X11 wallet.dat file into the new app folder(XC). It is showing the transactions from the prior program but my balance is not there... Where should I be looking for that? When the prior wallet(x11) stopped synching it was showing the coins as 'staking.' What should I do know and where should I look for the coins?
Thanks
When you transfer an old wallet.dat to a new wallet, it still has your transaction history bookmarked, hence why you see that and not your balance. Once the blockchain download catches up to where in line you got your coins, they will show up. Pretty much you just have to let the blockchain download and then your coins will show up or at least in my experience that is how I comprehend it. Ok. That's what I was thinking too but so far the new XC wallet program is all synched up but coins are not appearing in my balance... Does it have anything to do with the 'staking' function? I'm all synched up looking at the transaction history that is correct and looking at a zero balance... Any all all help is appreciated, thank you. |
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Ok, so I have downloaded the new XC program and have transferred the X11 wallet.dat file into the new app folder(XC). It is showing the transactions from the prior program but my balance is not there... Where should I be looking for that? When the prior wallet(x11) stopped synching it was showing the coins as 'staking.' What should I do know and where should I look for the coins?
Thanks
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